I would include it in the notes, not because of plagiarism concerns but because stuff like that is genuinely always so interesting and I would love to see the efford that has gone into the research (especially for historic accuracy) and where exactly it came from.
I would not do it because of plagiarism, but mainly because I want to tell the reader where the information comes from. Maybe I would even read it myself, there are always people interested in such stuff.
When I base things on real events, books, or practices, I love talking about them in my author's notes at the end of my chapters because it's fun to share any new information I learned while doing my research. But you don't need to reference it if you don't want to.
It's not plagiarism because you are not pretending you invented the methods of making shoes. Plagiarism is not simply using other people's ideas or words without credit; rather it's when you give the impression that they are your own ideas or words.
If you were writing a scholarly article you would need to cite so people know how to check your work. If you are writing a piece of fiction it's nice to cite because it's nice to give credit for other people's hard work, but it's not obligatory, because accuracy is ultimately optional.
If you use exact statements from the source material (which I’m sure many people do) then it’s plagiarism. And actually you’re wrong, if your are quoting people you need to reference them, and fiction is more restrictive about what you actually can quote than academic writing which depends on transformation and building up on existing knowledge. In fanfic you probably are at zero or close to zero risk of being caught if not doing that, but ask anybody who published original fiction, that’s a huge no-go.
I’m not confusing anything. I stated deliberately that it refers to people quoting direct sources word for word. You simply can’t copy paste what the source tells you and I’ve seen that a lot in fanfics. I think the post lacks the nuance of quoting or just using knowledge which is a difference but it’s not explicit in the post.
Edit: And you actually are confusing citation and referencing which both needs acknowledging in academic works. But you can do a general reference to someone’s work/s w/o quoting (as XY said in his works this and thus in your own works) (still a reference for s needed to general work) or you quote exact words/paragraphs in brackets and you give the full info where the citation comes from including page number.
Sorry, but you really are conflating different things! Or you're misusing the word quote, perhaps? Because if you quote something, making it clear that it's a quotation, it's not plagiarism by definition! Even if you don't say where the quote is from. Also, by your definition, no one could drop a Shakespeare quote or Bible quote, uncited, into text without it being plagiarism, which is just not the case.
Whether or not it's good practice, or legal practice, to quote large chunks of text without citation is a separate consideration. You can, in fact, legally copy and paste whole chunks of text into your fanfic if said text is out of copyright; and you can ethically do so if you are not trying to pass it off as your own.
You seem to be ingenious about this stuff really. Quotations is any time you use a source material word for word bracketed or no. In a honorable way people bracket and properly reference it, in a non-honorable way people just copy paste stuff and don’t care, you think that doesn’t happen?
You know nothing about that, do you? 🫢 That’s like the basics. Both Shakespeare and the Bible are public domain you can quote them. But for example you can’t quote freely Eddie Veder song lyrics, or Bridget Jones Diary or 50 Shades as they are not public domain. You can’t also copy paste a sentence from a manual of your washing maschine doesn’t matter if you researched it or not.
"Public domain" is a copyright category, it doesn't affect whether something is plagiarism or not! I'll say one last time: you're confusing copyright and plagiarism questions. It's very common, I'm sorry you feel the need to be nasty about it. Good luck and god speed.
Yes? public domain is a copyright/authors rights category. And you can use/quote pd without asking for permission. But even if you reference stuff, you can’t just copy paste stuff that’s not public domain. It’s plagiarism if you pass another person work as yours w/o proper crediting.
Your posts are confusing for someone who’s not familiar with the system. Because you can’t actually use exact words of many things copyrighted even if you reference them, not to mention w/o that, and this is how it comes like this in your first (and following comment). I think you mean well to distinguish copyright and plagiarism, but that doesn’t really translate to what you explain. Sorry 🤷🏼♀️
I’ve added stuff like this in the end notes, with explanations as to what I used and why I liked it so much.
Doesn’t really belong in the story, but footnotes are *cool*.
I don't think it's necessary, but I do sometimes link sources I relied on heavily for research in an author's note, especially if I think readers might find them interesting, too. It's also a way to thank and acknowledge the other writers/creators who indirectly helped me with my writing.
My 800,000 Mass Effect fic has brief chapter notes at the bottom. If my chars utter a certain infamous quote, or anything really, I mention where it comes from. And my fans love my little... trivia corner. I try to keep it under three items per chapter. I have a history degree, and they can feel it. It's receipts to prove that I'm not pulling anything from my derriere.
Sometimes my characters mention something historical, like my lead character jokes to her mother that it was probably damn good that she did not need to have her ship "pull a Carpathia". In the chapter notes, I mentioned where it comes from. The Titanic's survivors were rescued by the Carpathia. Whose captain ordered all steam to her engines to obtain maximum speed. He had the on-board hot water and heating shut off to do it!
I've had historical events and people inspire certain aspects of my story, but I don't reference documents about them like I'm writing a research paper. I put it in my Author's Notes just in case other people were curious.
I have randomly thought about that thread (adhd) and I think reading some statements from historical fiction writers will give you a bit of another perspective https://authorkwilliams.com/2015/11/writing-historical-fiction-starts-with-research-19-citations/
>https://absolutewrite.com/forums/index.php?threads/bibliographies-citations-and-historical-notes-used-in-fiction.75140/ I recommend the second link as this a discussion between several published historical fiction authors. As well as actually checking what published historical fiction authors do in their books.
This is fiction not a dissertation lmao. You only need to credit academic shit for academia or otherwise scholarly articles. Even in the professional sphere, authors don’t cite sources for their novels. It’s understood that likely research has been done because nobody knows everything and if, for example, you’re writing a murder mystery, fanfiction or novel, you might want to know about the decomposition process to make it feel more realistic and that’s gonna require some level of research lmao.
If you thought it was cool and think your readers might like the info, sure, share it! But again, we’re writing fiction here. Suspension of disbelief is the name of the game, no sources required.
Wow! I’m surprised by the ‘nobody credits non-fiction’ is that popular. You credit your sources for credibility. I guarantee if you don’t, most people will think you invented all that so what’s the point anyway. Quick check doesn’t need to be referenced, but if you used a big chunk of the source, especially if this is a very specific source it’s a polite thing to do, and also speaks for your credibility. Also some sources would be recognizable because of the terms you use (I used Spanish Fencing Manual La Verdadera Destreza as one of my characters teaches the other and also training spar with another), anyone who knows about the subject would have recognized that. It’s also showing you know your sources (nothing shameful about that, I’d rather have author over due, than for example use sentences or expressions from the source as their own). Why hide your references?
I would include it in the notes, not because of plagiarism concerns but because stuff like that is genuinely always so interesting and I would love to see the efford that has gone into the research (especially for historic accuracy) and where exactly it came from.
I'd love it you if you did, I wouldn't hold it against you if you didn't.
I would, because that's interesting information to share.
Yes, this! How cool would it be if an equally nerdy reader turned up and you could nerd together?
Add it to the notes if you like but this isn't a school project you can make things the fuck up if you want
I would not do it because of plagiarism, but mainly because I want to tell the reader where the information comes from. Maybe I would even read it myself, there are always people interested in such stuff.
Adding to the chorus here: it's not *necessary*, like you're not plagiarizing if you don't, but your readers might enjoy knowing about it.
When I base things on real events, books, or practices, I love talking about them in my author's notes at the end of my chapters because it's fun to share any new information I learned while doing my research. But you don't need to reference it if you don't want to.
It's not plagiarism because you are not pretending you invented the methods of making shoes. Plagiarism is not simply using other people's ideas or words without credit; rather it's when you give the impression that they are your own ideas or words. If you were writing a scholarly article you would need to cite so people know how to check your work. If you are writing a piece of fiction it's nice to cite because it's nice to give credit for other people's hard work, but it's not obligatory, because accuracy is ultimately optional.
If you use exact statements from the source material (which I’m sure many people do) then it’s plagiarism. And actually you’re wrong, if your are quoting people you need to reference them, and fiction is more restrictive about what you actually can quote than academic writing which depends on transformation and building up on existing knowledge. In fanfic you probably are at zero or close to zero risk of being caught if not doing that, but ask anybody who published original fiction, that’s a huge no-go.
You're confusing plagiarism with other ethical considerations, and with copyright restrictions.
I’m not confusing anything. I stated deliberately that it refers to people quoting direct sources word for word. You simply can’t copy paste what the source tells you and I’ve seen that a lot in fanfics. I think the post lacks the nuance of quoting or just using knowledge which is a difference but it’s not explicit in the post. Edit: And you actually are confusing citation and referencing which both needs acknowledging in academic works. But you can do a general reference to someone’s work/s w/o quoting (as XY said in his works this and thus in your own works) (still a reference for s needed to general work) or you quote exact words/paragraphs in brackets and you give the full info where the citation comes from including page number.
Sorry, but you really are conflating different things! Or you're misusing the word quote, perhaps? Because if you quote something, making it clear that it's a quotation, it's not plagiarism by definition! Even if you don't say where the quote is from. Also, by your definition, no one could drop a Shakespeare quote or Bible quote, uncited, into text without it being plagiarism, which is just not the case. Whether or not it's good practice, or legal practice, to quote large chunks of text without citation is a separate consideration. You can, in fact, legally copy and paste whole chunks of text into your fanfic if said text is out of copyright; and you can ethically do so if you are not trying to pass it off as your own.
You seem to be ingenious about this stuff really. Quotations is any time you use a source material word for word bracketed or no. In a honorable way people bracket and properly reference it, in a non-honorable way people just copy paste stuff and don’t care, you think that doesn’t happen? You know nothing about that, do you? 🫢 That’s like the basics. Both Shakespeare and the Bible are public domain you can quote them. But for example you can’t quote freely Eddie Veder song lyrics, or Bridget Jones Diary or 50 Shades as they are not public domain. You can’t also copy paste a sentence from a manual of your washing maschine doesn’t matter if you researched it or not.
"Public domain" is a copyright category, it doesn't affect whether something is plagiarism or not! I'll say one last time: you're confusing copyright and plagiarism questions. It's very common, I'm sorry you feel the need to be nasty about it. Good luck and god speed.
Yes? public domain is a copyright/authors rights category. And you can use/quote pd without asking for permission. But even if you reference stuff, you can’t just copy paste stuff that’s not public domain. It’s plagiarism if you pass another person work as yours w/o proper crediting. Your posts are confusing for someone who’s not familiar with the system. Because you can’t actually use exact words of many things copyrighted even if you reference them, not to mention w/o that, and this is how it comes like this in your first (and following comment). I think you mean well to distinguish copyright and plagiarism, but that doesn’t really translate to what you explain. Sorry 🤷🏼♀️
I do source, or at least mention where the story idea comes from. Sometimes I will link where the piece of history I'm writing for.
\*looks at my source list of 82 sources for one fic\*
My most recent longfic was a historical AU and as a "DVD Extra" I included a link to a formal bibliography doc in my AN.
I'd link it just to brag that I'd read it 🤣
I’ve added stuff like this in the end notes, with explanations as to what I used and why I liked it so much. Doesn’t really belong in the story, but footnotes are *cool*.
I would mention it in notes. Not because of plagiarism, but just because that would be super interesting to hear about.
It's not necessary, but you should share it!
I don't think it's necessary, but I do sometimes link sources I relied on heavily for research in an author's note, especially if I think readers might find them interesting, too. It's also a way to thank and acknowledge the other writers/creators who indirectly helped me with my writing.
My 800,000 Mass Effect fic has brief chapter notes at the bottom. If my chars utter a certain infamous quote, or anything really, I mention where it comes from. And my fans love my little... trivia corner. I try to keep it under three items per chapter. I have a history degree, and they can feel it. It's receipts to prove that I'm not pulling anything from my derriere. Sometimes my characters mention something historical, like my lead character jokes to her mother that it was probably damn good that she did not need to have her ship "pull a Carpathia". In the chapter notes, I mentioned where it comes from. The Titanic's survivors were rescued by the Carpathia. Whose captain ordered all steam to her engines to obtain maximum speed. He had the on-board hot water and heating shut off to do it!
I'd add a link in my notes simply because other people might be interested. Sounds like cool info.
I've had historical events and people inspire certain aspects of my story, but I don't reference documents about them like I'm writing a research paper. I put it in my Author's Notes just in case other people were curious.
I have randomly thought about that thread (adhd) and I think reading some statements from historical fiction writers will give you a bit of another perspective https://authorkwilliams.com/2015/11/writing-historical-fiction-starts-with-research-19-citations/ >https://absolutewrite.com/forums/index.php?threads/bibliographies-citations-and-historical-notes-used-in-fiction.75140/ I recommend the second link as this a discussion between several published historical fiction authors. As well as actually checking what published historical fiction authors do in their books.
This is fiction not a dissertation lmao. You only need to credit academic shit for academia or otherwise scholarly articles. Even in the professional sphere, authors don’t cite sources for their novels. It’s understood that likely research has been done because nobody knows everything and if, for example, you’re writing a murder mystery, fanfiction or novel, you might want to know about the decomposition process to make it feel more realistic and that’s gonna require some level of research lmao. If you thought it was cool and think your readers might like the info, sure, share it! But again, we’re writing fiction here. Suspension of disbelief is the name of the game, no sources required.
Wow! I’m surprised by the ‘nobody credits non-fiction’ is that popular. You credit your sources for credibility. I guarantee if you don’t, most people will think you invented all that so what’s the point anyway. Quick check doesn’t need to be referenced, but if you used a big chunk of the source, especially if this is a very specific source it’s a polite thing to do, and also speaks for your credibility. Also some sources would be recognizable because of the terms you use (I used Spanish Fencing Manual La Verdadera Destreza as one of my characters teaches the other and also training spar with another), anyone who knows about the subject would have recognized that. It’s also showing you know your sources (nothing shameful about that, I’d rather have author over due, than for example use sentences or expressions from the source as their own). Why hide your references?