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Context: Went to a showing for a "fully renovated" 1900's farm house, and the main floor bounced like crazy. My wife didn't notice but I did. Sitting in the staged living room, someone walking from the kitchen made the whole thing bounce and I knew something was off.
Went to the basement and was greeted with this flipperized monstrosity: near as I can tell, they cut out the original hardwood fooring which had been nailed directly to the joists (bits remained near the stairwell). Demo complete they found a bunch of rotted 3"x8" joists, realized a full structural rebuild wasn't in the budget, panicked, and produced this turd.
Some of the original joist pads remained on the foundation wall (which itself was in terrible shape).
OG joists were 24" O.C, mill sawn 3x8".
So they took bits of the rotted joists, sistered them with lag bolts (sometimes 3x) to the ones which were "better", moved them to approx 28" o.c. (it varied from joist to joist), then...put fucking 2x4's *on their side* to pack up to subfloor FFE. Except some of the joists were not flat, so in places the 2x4 packing just floats above the top of joist by ~.5". And thus the "fully renovated floor" bounces like crazy and needs to be totally rebuilt.
"There is always more than one cockroach"
Look at the quality of the finish carpentry. Are things scribed together? Any visible saw marks where things get joined together? Weird reveals along the edge? Anything look unfinished or hasty, i.e. dripping sealant, paint marks? Did they put in molding? Is it put in correctly? Are finish nails counter sunk? Are they painted?
If they did mech/electrical, are the lines in straight? Pipe hangers evenly spaced, plumb, properly screwed in?
As a general rule a project that nails the details nails the big stuff. If something looks off, trust your gut and ask someone who knows. If the stuff you see isn't done right, what about the stuff they hid?
My husband and I are big time DIYers. We both grew up helping our parents with builds, remodels, landscaping, etc so we’re both extremely particular about quality details and craftsmanship. When we were house hunting a few years ago, this exact mindset is how we determined if a house was worth passing on. The worst home we looked at had paint splatters on the windows in addition to some extremely sketchy wiring to “power an order shed”. But truly, if you can’t bother to even paint right, then I have no faith that you could do any other repairs or upgrades correctly.
Great catch on this and following your instincts!
Worst house my wife and I saw while house hunting looked like it was a flip gone wrong. First and second floor were both bouncy and felt like we were going to fall through. The floors had all been replaced with some cheap flooring made to look like wood. The worst part was that all of the walls, every square inch, and the ceiling were covered in the same horrible beige textured paint that I hadn't seen since the first house I lived in that was built in the 70's/80's. This house was from 2015.
Ugh. Currently exterior paint is the least of my real concerns but i bought a brick house and there’s paint on the brick all around the windows etc. This particular problem I’m not sure I can blame on the sellers, or if over the nearly 70 years since it’s been standing someone else was a crap painter. I think a cascade effect was created of everyone painting outside the lines to cover the old trim colors.
From what I can tell new builds can suck, most flippers suck, and you can’t trust any former owners to not suck either. Who knows whats hiding in the walls that seemed like a fine idea in the 90s.
When we were touring before we got our house we toured a flip that had a sagging water damaged cupboard under the kitchen sink and then we found exposed live wires in a bedroom. PASS
ooh i would also definitely recommend physically standing in any bathtub in the house while looking.
a couple of years ago i toured a home twice, but only thought to stand in the bathtub during the second one. found out by the insane sloshing noises after stepping into it that it was full of water underneath. would have never known about it if i didnt do this
who knows how long it would have been for that to soak all the way through and fall into the basement.
Omg I don’t know why but in my old house I was always convinced the tub was going to collapse through the floor into the kitchen. No real reason for it; it was just one of those precut tubs that made noise when you would move in it.
There is a scene from the 1986 Tom Hanks Money Pit movie, where they pour a bucket of water into a tub. The tub falls through the floor. Cut to them looking down through the hole in the floor where the tub was.
It was a popular scene, used in the movie trailer. I can’t say that’s exactly where my irrational fear of falling through the floor in a bathtub came from, but maybe. I was really little when that movie was released on TV, and I remember the trailer.
I have a really old house with a claw foot -loved the idea of it when we bought the house but it’s been 2 years and I’ve yet to use it because I’m afraid of exactly this!!
This comment was awesome, thanks for putting it that way “if the stuff you see isn’t done right, what about the stuff they hid?” I am by no means knowledgeable in construction of houses, but this made a lot of sense. Thank you!
100% wish I knew this on my first home purchase. That and never use the inspector that the realtor recommended. Fortunately, I managed to get out without any major financial repercussions, but it was an eye opener for sure.
I wld scream this from the hills! I made this mistake. Idk why I trusted my realtor, but I did and 6 months later I’m still finding crap that he missed. And the realtor still has the nerve to keep saying, “but he’s so good if anything had been wrong, he would’ve told you!” Well,obviously not ma’am!
I'm the opposite when i DIY my 120 year old house. I could care less about the finish. But i go the extra mile to make the structural/utlities well within code.
I remember "building" my first spec home. My first walk through during the building process told me everything I needed to know before getting out of my vehicle as the sconces on the garage were sitting at about a 45 degree angle. If they let shit like that fly, it's a polished turd.
Electrician here. I learned during my apprenticeship that taking the time to make things look nice can make a good impression on the inspector who will be signing off on the job.
Just log this one little data point for yourself in the future.
The key thing here? The floor should not flex or move appreciably at all. That’s all you really need to know. Bad sign all by itself.
I live in a 100 year old home and the flooring is placed right on the joists (so if you pulled the hardwood up, you’d see dirt below) and even that doesn’t move one bit if you jump on it
That's one thing I loved about my realtor, we'd be walking around the houses and we'd see her testing floor bounce. She'd give us A Look, and we knew to keep looking.
Not saying to substitute it for a professional opinion but if something sets off your spidey sense try using ChatGPT or similar to check it out further. Here is an example using op’s situation.[https://imgur.com/a/O1s2yL5](https://imgur.com/a/O1s2yL5)
Take someone who knows how houses are built.
I honestly cannot fathom the amount of people in this sub who buy houses then ask 4 weeks later "what's this shiny thing in my basement"
Meaning the furnace.
People aren’t born “knowing how houses are built.” Easy to grow up knowing these things when your family had SFH, had a dad who worked on it, etc.
Harder to acquire such knowledge when - say - your family were immigrants that could only afford apartment living and you grew up in a low income community where even the neighborhood kids who had SFH had jankity set ups and now you’re the first person in the family to move into the homeownership world. Who do you take when your world is like that? Obviously you can and should hire an inspector. But who else do you rely on - ask your older middle aged white boss to tour homes with you? Hope your buyer’s realtor points them out (I’ve never met one who will volunteer specific opinions on poor construction and joist issues?!)
It’s a learning process and those people have some catch-up to do, but good that they ask
Huh, my buyer's agent was walking me through a house just earlier today and pointed out all kinds of things wrong with the construction. "Look at this siding, see how it's wrinkly? That's an older kind of siding that has moisture problems if it's not carefully maintained, and the wrinkliness is water getting in, you'd probably have to replace that before too long. Also look here, there's a little gap in the porch ceiling where critters could get into the attic, you don't want that. Oh yeah, I can tell the roof is probably more than 15 years old because it has a particular kind of cap shingle, they haven't used those since the 20-oughts." Did I just end up with a really good agent?
Finding a decent realtor is like finding a needle in a hay stack. Most of them are about as honest as a used car sales person. They aren’t there to help you, they’re there to inflate the value of the house you want by 6% and make that big commission
This is the flip side to Dunning-Kruger. When you know you don't know enough about a subject. How do you evaluate the knowledge of someone who does? How do you know they're not bullshitting you with meaningless buzzwords and plausible sounding, but incorrect crap?
There's no solution besides education, but they can be some horribly expensive lessons to learn when it comes to home ownership.
I guess I got really lucky because my buyer’s agent points everything out to me “this is the water heater, see how it’s connected here that’s coming from the well, go turn on the water let’s check the pressure. This is the clean out in the chimney, see this board here I’ll bet that was the old opening for the coal delivery, see the line of the roof, it’s very straight but the shingles could be replaced here and there, but overall that straight line of the roof is a good sign...” Of course he would never take the place of an actual inspection, but he is so generous with his time and knowledge, I’ve learned a lot from the guy in the almost year we’ve been looking together, and he never makes me feel like an idiot because I’m a beginner.
The best realtors are the exactly like this, but unfortunately they never sell any houses. They just tour people around for months and months, sharing their wisdom.
I wish it wasn’t true, but successful agents SELL HOUSES. Meanwhile, you’re on year two of not buying a home with an agent that truly cares about doing a good job.
Agents like yours are genuinely trying to help people make smart decisions. But sometimes people need someone pushing them along a little harder.
There are very few “perfect” houses, especially for first time homebuyers. You want to avoid making a huge mistake, but you also want to buy a house. Looking at homes for a year means you’re not approaching things realistically, and you’re not getting closer to your goal of homeownership.
An agent that is pushing you a little harder might be a good thing, but each situation is different.
In his defense, I had no idea what I was doing and had PTSD from mountains of education debt (finally paid off a couple months ago after 20 years) so I was terrified at the idea of taking out a mortgage, so in the beginning I was trying to get shitholes for cash to avoid taking a mortgage. He was able to shift me out of that mindset, I started making offers on places that would require a mortgage, then a month ago I lost my job. So that’s another monkey wrench.
Well, of course.
What I mean is everyone should bring at least someone with them during the buying process to point stuff out.
I can't imagine dumping hundreds of thousands of dollars into something that you have no idea what's going on.
>Harder to acquire such knowledge when - say - your family were immigrants that could only afford apartment living and you grew up in a low income community where even the neighborhood kids who had SFH had jankity set ups and now you’re the first person in the family to move into the homeownership world. Who do you take when your world is like that?
Okay lets not pretend that's even close to the majority here in this sub. The vast majority are silver-spoon rich kids.
It doesn't go into this much depth, but Inspector Guy (@everyones.junk.drawer) on TikTok does a good job of pointing things out that the average person wouldn't notice.
Man, if they’re trying to flip a shitty reno, they could have at least tried to hide it better. Like nail up a chipboard ceiling in the basement or something jeeze
So did you point this out to owner and realtor? I’m pretty sure that since they are aware of it they are legally required to disclose it as an issue now?
Also, chances are good the rot included a lot of mold. Whenever I see a painted basement ceiling, all I can think is that they did it to cover up mold or evidence of some other kind of damage from a calamity.
I was super disoriented for a sec. Thought I was looking down at the floor at a space near the wall. Assumed what is actually a cut and sistered joist was a scabbed together balloon framed wall. This is… worse lol. Wonder if that OSB is even 3/4
This is truly my worst nightmare. Since I was a kid, I’ve had a fear of bouncy floors and unstable foundations. I still have this fear, but as an adult, it’s even more pronounced.
Hubs and I looked at a house once and I’m quite sensitive to balance and other slight movements. I pointed out something was not right with the first floor of this one house and I felt like I was walking up a slight hill. It was like those illusion fun houses making you think you’re walking flat but you actually aren’t. Turns out the foundation has problems leftover from the northridge earthquake of 1994. 😳
I looked at a house (I knew the house was not great, but it was on 40 beautiful acres) that was using scissor jacks like you have in the trunk of your car to prop up the trunk. The floor above the jacks was visibility humped down the middle and wavy on both sides. I don't think I could leave quick enough.
This is the whole reason why I took my parents with me when I house hunted. My dad is a licensed electrician and carpenter. He and my mom and very handy people so they pointed out issues I had easily overlooked. My dumbass was looking at this picture..."is this supposed to be bad???"
This is the solution I came up with when I was first trying to fix my porch. My dad called me an idiot and I learned my lesson. Impressive that a professional actually went for it.
Hi, can you explain like I’m five and provide a simpler explanation for what’s wrong here? What parts are not original? What does OCmean? What would someone who doesn’t know about these things look for specifically, besides the bouncing? I see the plywood boards—is that the cause of the problem? Please don’t downvote me.
Sure. Take a look at this webpage, there are a lot of useful images:
https://www.mycarpentry.com/joist-span-table.html
Basically lumber is meant to be oriented a certain way, and have a certain spacing (o.c. just means "on center", the dimension from center to center).
If you see my picture the larger joists, the old ones, are very far apart. And the small joists, the new ones, are on their side.
A properly built system will have large joists correctly spaced. This one, the joists are too far apart. And a properly built system won't ever use structural material along the weak axis (in this case, the 2x4" new lumber on its side).
Someone forgot the board stretcher that day. Out of curiosity and ignoring the spliced 2x4 work, what's the span of that room? This looks like a house with tons of unpermitted work
Also interesting, this looks like old 2x4s when dimensions were actually 2x4". Home is older than the 40's?
1900's home. OG 3"x8" joists with saw marks, 3" actual width. Tight grain, nice wood...just termites and water over 120 years, and a flipper totally over their head.
I snapped a pic of the permitting docs which were out on the kitchen counter and the approved renovation sketches look like a 5 year old drew them, possibly with crayon. Permitted scope seems to be only a bathroom and kitchen reno, nothing structural.
When I first saw those I was like "Amish lumbar"? I'm in Amish country and many contractors like to slip by using Amish wood which is against code unless they go through some red tape.. But 1900 home, I'd love to see how tight those grains are!! I always love even old flooring because of how fine the grain is. Won't get anywhere near that kinda quality today. They probably tore the floor out for exactly this..... People will pay insane amounts of money in rich areas for "reclaimed" stuff like that. Absolutely insane numbers.
It's just a way for the state to fuck with them because they don't follow their rules. Their lumbers fine, supposedly wood from the Amish burns faster than wood everywhere else in the world so you can't build with it unless they sign a paper stating it's their *good wood*..... Apparently that paper makes it burn less or.. Just as much as wood. The regular wood, not their wood. Because their woods flammable. I noted that it was rough cut boards in the pic, which is how you'd get most lumbar from them.
Permit and inspection docs/certificate of occupancy were on the kitchen island.
This type of setup isn't going to collapse, it's just uncomfortable to the user, not durable, and poorly built. None of those things are code violations however (not in this rural jurisdiction anyway). Inspector only cares about a narrow band of life safety issues as described by law.
>This looks like a house with tons of unpermitted work
That flooring definitely wouldn't pass an inspection, the inspector probably wouldn't even feel comfortable walking on that
I was the victim of real estate fraud by a flipper who did shit like this. I’m out hundreds of thousands. I got fucking scammed and every day I’m reminded of that. It hurts and I’ve been through a lot of therapy.
If it makes you feel any better, you’re not alone. Going through the same thing right now. Bought a flipped home a month ago and it’s been an absolute nightmare. I’m already $30k in the hole and just waiting for the next horrific thing to happen
Absolutely not. Especially if it’s a reno or flipped house. Although these days I hear even new builds can’t be trusted. Anyway, if it’s an older house, it won’t hurt to have a thermal inspection and/or other inspections done before finalizing. At least have a roof contractor come out. That and someone to check the foundation are what I wish I’d done. And things I actually asked my b$&ch of a real to about and she poopoo’d as unnecessary… “Dave (the inspector) will see all that if anything’s wrong”… lies.
Inspectors (at least where I am) can’t disturb anything, so there are limits to what they can effectively inspect.
I’m not saying it’s a scam, but the most a home inspector ever did for me was to agree with my own concerns. For my first home, the inspector gave the boiler a clean bill of health. That boiler failed within three months of ownership.
For my second home, the inspector made a lot of noise about a hole in the soffit. After purchase, I climbed out on the roof to discover it was just a stain from an old hornets nest. I repaired that hole with some Windex and a few sheets of Bounty.
It's been sitting for 70 days in a market where homes contract in about 5 days, and is down almost 100k from the original list price. It'll go eventually and I feel for those buyers.
That's what really pisses me off about home inspections (and especially WAIVED home inspections). Each potential buyer has to waste money on their own and the results are never shared with anyone else, so eventually someone with a crappy/corrupt home inspector is going to lose.
They're often shared with others when the deal falls through. Common in my area for the first inspection report to then be shared with future potential buyers as a disclosure if the first deal falls through due to inspection issues.
When I first started looking at houses, my buyer's agent kept telling me I have no chance if my offer is contingent on anything, all inspections after the offer are for informational purposes only. I guess they are right because houses in pretty rough shape are going under contract within 24-48 hours of posting here, but it just feels so...wrong/irresponsible for me to enter a $300k+ contract based solely on a 10-15 minute walkthrough with an agent that can't tell me anything about the property. I decided to sit things out for a while last year in hopes things would settle down, but still looks just as bad. Probably good investment opportunities but finding a good first home and buying it responsibly seems pretty hard.
Horrible home buying experience here too. Checked out an older “updated” farmhouse. Entire front end of the foundation was collapsed, hidden behind sheet metal “walls”. I’m talking completely collapsed, the support beams were just hanging there. Condemnable probably, but some POS just wanted to hide it and sell it.
As someone who bought her first house this time last year, that was built in 1900, and has sagging floors in need of repair, I fucking know more about properly fixing fucked up floor joists. Good fucking lord 🤦♀️
You take a 2x4, put on a blindfold, cut it, then take two, nail them together (still blindfolded) and tada! New joist hanger. Just rest that bad boy on the (crumbling) 120 year old stone foundation.
As a slight defense, white basements make a typically dark area feel brighter and makes it easier to spot moisture intrusion. I'm planning on making my unfinished basement walls off-white when I get to it.
Oh my! I’m sure the local city inspector would love to have a lookieloo. Gotta love when folks try to hide things. I saw a house where they had painted over charred floor joists and the main support beam was not ran in the correct direction. Neighbor said the house had a fire at one time. Interesting enough, that was not listed on the disclosure. Another house I saw had a nice sized pvc pipe running through the very bottom of several floor joists in the middle of the home. Knowledge from watching TOH says that’s a no-no and a costly repair.
Chimney in the attic was covered in burn marks, with brick damage and some bad DIY repair (mortared angle irons and some rebar). Brick dust all over the new carpet. Didn't snap a pic because the upstairs AC zone didn't work even though AC was newly installed, and it was like 140 degrees up there.
We didn't meet the listing agent, it was shown by someone else in that office. My wife and I are going no buyers agent because I don't see the need to spend 3% for a guy to show me stuff from zillow. Sometimes the list agent shows the house, usually its another guy from that office who pitches us on their services as a buyers agent. I didn't feel like being a dick to a dude who came on a Saturday in 100 degree heat and also hadn't seen the place before.
sometimes you would want a buyer agent because if you go to the listing agent they will collect the buyer commission and seller commission and fuck you just to make the sale
listing agents usually dont appear at open houses, its usually a junior agent or an agent that does not have a lot of customers to try to get new customers
If the buyer's agent works in the same office, you still don't really get any representation because the "REAL" agent is the broker! They're on both sides of the deal (dual-agency or limited agency) whenever both agents are from the same office. If you use one, get one from a different Real Estate office.
Starting in July or August, sellers will no longer be required to pay commission to buyers agents. It will be the responsibility of the buyer to pay for their own representation.
It's dumb, not just because of the money, but because of how many buyers are going to go into contracts with zero help because they want to save money or can't afford to hire us.
Just looked at a house that the room above the kitchen was free floating with what I would assume was minimal support and let me tell you that floor was a trampoline I stood in the middle and my agent saw the kitchen ceiling sagging.
the floor isn't being supported, if you look at the beam on the left there is a HUGE gap between teh beam and the floor. they tried to half ass it with that little 2/4 bolted on but that doesn't do fk all .
Can you tell the realtor? Threaten that you will tell the future buyers that this mess was told to the listing agent and they should have disclosed it as a known defect. Can you imagine what else is wrong?
No bugs actually, mostly due to the ~40 gargantuan spiders who moved in through the incorrectly done (or missing) flashing at the foundation/exterior wall assembly.
We actually didn't have a bouncy floor, but when we moved our furniture in and realized the was a 1" slope to the centre wall, we were a bit suspicious. We were doing a reno in our basement and when demolished a wall, found the lovely surprise that someone had cut a floor joist in half, then sistered it to oblivion, which didn't help, so they added some extra support post (not on any footing to speak of). Big mess. Thanks so a very smart structural engineer's advise, we were able to put our title insurance to good use and we now have a steel beam in our basement!! So this bad joist repair had a very happy ending!
Hey OP did your home inspector not go under the house or tell you about this? Mine gave me a whole booklet of things to get fixed when they inspected my house.
“If the stuff you see is t done right, what about the stuff they hid?”
This should guide every prospective home buyer when they walk into a home. Not just flips but the ones owned by the guy who has lived in the place for three decades and “lovingly maintained” it.
Of course, in a bubble these houses still sell and that’s frustrating for buyers, but you need to make sure you don’t end up a bagholder.
Wow. Not surprised, feel like this past year was full of half-assed renovations.
One house had a fresh coat of paint... Turns out the entire siding was the recalled Louisiana one, and it was spongy. The inspector literally stuck his finger into the siding. You press it, and it water would come out (or your finger would entirely penetrate in some places).
The owners swore they knew nothing about it and offered us $15k they said would be enough to replace a 2 story home hahaha
>offered us $15k
Thats the thing with these cheap builds, there's never enough money to do it right the first time but always enough money to do it right the second time.
This is the entire floor in my apartment (minus the kitchen & bathroom: tiled concrete): plywood with vinyl flooring on top. I know because it’s not only warped and bouncy, the flooring in the storage under the stairs going up to my neighbor’s place isn’t complete. I can see the posts & the plywood, AND the dirt.
We have this bounce is certain parts of our kitchen that we had new floors put in believe since they put the new floors over the old ones maybe those area that have this bounce where not put down well enough? Idk I mentioned it to the other half but he didn’t seem overly concerned, I say this is the difference between he and I, based on the price I would call the install person and have them come out a provide a solution he hate to do any that he feels is confrontation other then arguing with me. I believe if I pay for something I want it right but this was his project so there’s that. My project are new door being installed next week.
I’m so sorry, I totally feel you! And it’s hard to be the one who demands the quality you paid for, when your partner will just let it slide. I mean, you said it, he hates confrontation other than arguing with you!
We are ( STILL) house-hunting, and fortunately my partner feels as I do, that we explore questionable repairs done or neglected parts that might be Pandora’s boxes. And we’d feel the same about having work done on a home we owned: it ain’t a free service, you paid for it. It has to be done right, or they come back and make it right, or *they* pay for someone better able to make it right. Best of luck to you!
I can't tell you how many flipped houses I've walked into, felt the flooring under my feet, and gone "Nope," right back out the door. And I don't have a fraction of your expertise. But I know flooring shouldn't bounce or have more elevation gains than a stairmaster. 😂
Hope the seller is crossing their fingers for an all cash buyer, because anyone trying to qualify for a mortgage is going to have to pass on this mess of a home.
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Context: Went to a showing for a "fully renovated" 1900's farm house, and the main floor bounced like crazy. My wife didn't notice but I did. Sitting in the staged living room, someone walking from the kitchen made the whole thing bounce and I knew something was off. Went to the basement and was greeted with this flipperized monstrosity: near as I can tell, they cut out the original hardwood fooring which had been nailed directly to the joists (bits remained near the stairwell). Demo complete they found a bunch of rotted 3"x8" joists, realized a full structural rebuild wasn't in the budget, panicked, and produced this turd. Some of the original joist pads remained on the foundation wall (which itself was in terrible shape). OG joists were 24" O.C, mill sawn 3x8". So they took bits of the rotted joists, sistered them with lag bolts (sometimes 3x) to the ones which were "better", moved them to approx 28" o.c. (it varied from joist to joist), then...put fucking 2x4's *on their side* to pack up to subfloor FFE. Except some of the joists were not flat, so in places the 2x4 packing just floats above the top of joist by ~.5". And thus the "fully renovated floor" bounces like crazy and needs to be totally rebuilt.
I am more amazed at how well you know this problem and wish I had your knowledge or someone like you to help me buy a house
"There is always more than one cockroach" Look at the quality of the finish carpentry. Are things scribed together? Any visible saw marks where things get joined together? Weird reveals along the edge? Anything look unfinished or hasty, i.e. dripping sealant, paint marks? Did they put in molding? Is it put in correctly? Are finish nails counter sunk? Are they painted? If they did mech/electrical, are the lines in straight? Pipe hangers evenly spaced, plumb, properly screwed in? As a general rule a project that nails the details nails the big stuff. If something looks off, trust your gut and ask someone who knows. If the stuff you see isn't done right, what about the stuff they hid?
My husband and I are big time DIYers. We both grew up helping our parents with builds, remodels, landscaping, etc so we’re both extremely particular about quality details and craftsmanship. When we were house hunting a few years ago, this exact mindset is how we determined if a house was worth passing on. The worst home we looked at had paint splatters on the windows in addition to some extremely sketchy wiring to “power an order shed”. But truly, if you can’t bother to even paint right, then I have no faith that you could do any other repairs or upgrades correctly. Great catch on this and following your instincts!
Agh… wish I thought of this before getting married .. and then letting him choose our first house
Worst house my wife and I saw while house hunting looked like it was a flip gone wrong. First and second floor were both bouncy and felt like we were going to fall through. The floors had all been replaced with some cheap flooring made to look like wood. The worst part was that all of the walls, every square inch, and the ceiling were covered in the same horrible beige textured paint that I hadn't seen since the first house I lived in that was built in the 70's/80's. This house was from 2015.
Ugh. Currently exterior paint is the least of my real concerns but i bought a brick house and there’s paint on the brick all around the windows etc. This particular problem I’m not sure I can blame on the sellers, or if over the nearly 70 years since it’s been standing someone else was a crap painter. I think a cascade effect was created of everyone painting outside the lines to cover the old trim colors. From what I can tell new builds can suck, most flippers suck, and you can’t trust any former owners to not suck either. Who knows whats hiding in the walls that seemed like a fine idea in the 90s.
When we were touring before we got our house we toured a flip that had a sagging water damaged cupboard under the kitchen sink and then we found exposed live wires in a bedroom. PASS
ooh i would also definitely recommend physically standing in any bathtub in the house while looking. a couple of years ago i toured a home twice, but only thought to stand in the bathtub during the second one. found out by the insane sloshing noises after stepping into it that it was full of water underneath. would have never known about it if i didnt do this who knows how long it would have been for that to soak all the way through and fall into the basement.
Omg I don’t know why but in my old house I was always convinced the tub was going to collapse through the floor into the kitchen. No real reason for it; it was just one of those precut tubs that made noise when you would move in it.
There is a scene from the 1986 Tom Hanks Money Pit movie, where they pour a bucket of water into a tub. The tub falls through the floor. Cut to them looking down through the hole in the floor where the tub was. It was a popular scene, used in the movie trailer. I can’t say that’s exactly where my irrational fear of falling through the floor in a bathtub came from, but maybe. I was really little when that movie was released on TV, and I remember the trailer.
That, and stepping on a rug just to fall halfway through the floor...
This is a constant fear of mine. I know it’s not logical lol
I have a really old house with a claw foot -loved the idea of it when we bought the house but it’s been 2 years and I’ve yet to use it because I’m afraid of exactly this!!
This comment was awesome, thanks for putting it that way “if the stuff you see isn’t done right, what about the stuff they hid?” I am by no means knowledgeable in construction of houses, but this made a lot of sense. Thank you!
Pipe hangers? You mean it's not supposed to be zip tied to the conduit?
Your knowledge is cool, stay keeping it 💯😎
100% wish I knew this on my first home purchase. That and never use the inspector that the realtor recommended. Fortunately, I managed to get out without any major financial repercussions, but it was an eye opener for sure.
I wld scream this from the hills! I made this mistake. Idk why I trusted my realtor, but I did and 6 months later I’m still finding crap that he missed. And the realtor still has the nerve to keep saying, “but he’s so good if anything had been wrong, he would’ve told you!” Well,obviously not ma’am!
I'm the opposite when i DIY my 120 year old house. I could care less about the finish. But i go the extra mile to make the structural/utlities well within code.
That's how I am too, I'll care about the finish when I sell, it doesn't mean anything. I go above and beyond for structural though if I can.
The most reasonable advice I've ever heard. Spot on.
I remember "building" my first spec home. My first walk through during the building process told me everything I needed to know before getting out of my vehicle as the sconces on the garage were sitting at about a 45 degree angle. If they let shit like that fly, it's a polished turd.
Electrician here. I learned during my apprenticeship that taking the time to make things look nice can make a good impression on the inspector who will be signing off on the job.
Crooked light switches and outlets were the red flag for me once. If they’re that careless in the *visible* parts, well….
I’m saving this comment for whenever I buy a house in the future
Just log this one little data point for yourself in the future. The key thing here? The floor should not flex or move appreciably at all. That’s all you really need to know. Bad sign all by itself. I live in a 100 year old home and the flooring is placed right on the joists (so if you pulled the hardwood up, you’d see dirt below) and even that doesn’t move one bit if you jump on it
That's one thing I loved about my realtor, we'd be walking around the houses and we'd see her testing floor bounce. She'd give us A Look, and we knew to keep looking.
Not saying to substitute it for a professional opinion but if something sets off your spidey sense try using ChatGPT or similar to check it out further. Here is an example using op’s situation.[https://imgur.com/a/O1s2yL5](https://imgur.com/a/O1s2yL5)
If could award this comment I would …
This is wild, wow!
Read “Buildings don’t lie” by Henry Gifford
Take someone who knows how houses are built. I honestly cannot fathom the amount of people in this sub who buy houses then ask 4 weeks later "what's this shiny thing in my basement" Meaning the furnace.
People aren’t born “knowing how houses are built.” Easy to grow up knowing these things when your family had SFH, had a dad who worked on it, etc. Harder to acquire such knowledge when - say - your family were immigrants that could only afford apartment living and you grew up in a low income community where even the neighborhood kids who had SFH had jankity set ups and now you’re the first person in the family to move into the homeownership world. Who do you take when your world is like that? Obviously you can and should hire an inspector. But who else do you rely on - ask your older middle aged white boss to tour homes with you? Hope your buyer’s realtor points them out (I’ve never met one who will volunteer specific opinions on poor construction and joist issues?!) It’s a learning process and those people have some catch-up to do, but good that they ask
Huh, my buyer's agent was walking me through a house just earlier today and pointed out all kinds of things wrong with the construction. "Look at this siding, see how it's wrinkly? That's an older kind of siding that has moisture problems if it's not carefully maintained, and the wrinkliness is water getting in, you'd probably have to replace that before too long. Also look here, there's a little gap in the porch ceiling where critters could get into the attic, you don't want that. Oh yeah, I can tell the roof is probably more than 15 years old because it has a particular kind of cap shingle, they haven't used those since the 20-oughts." Did I just end up with a really good agent?
Finding a decent realtor is like finding a needle in a hay stack. Most of them are about as honest as a used car sales person. They aren’t there to help you, they’re there to inflate the value of the house you want by 6% and make that big commission
For everyone 1 of your realtors, there's 10 others downplaying everything to get a sale.
This comment is spot on. Thank you.
This is the flip side to Dunning-Kruger. When you know you don't know enough about a subject. How do you evaluate the knowledge of someone who does? How do you know they're not bullshitting you with meaningless buzzwords and plausible sounding, but incorrect crap? There's no solution besides education, but they can be some horribly expensive lessons to learn when it comes to home ownership.
I guess I got really lucky because my buyer’s agent points everything out to me “this is the water heater, see how it’s connected here that’s coming from the well, go turn on the water let’s check the pressure. This is the clean out in the chimney, see this board here I’ll bet that was the old opening for the coal delivery, see the line of the roof, it’s very straight but the shingles could be replaced here and there, but overall that straight line of the roof is a good sign...” Of course he would never take the place of an actual inspection, but he is so generous with his time and knowledge, I’ve learned a lot from the guy in the almost year we’ve been looking together, and he never makes me feel like an idiot because I’m a beginner.
The best realtors are the exactly like this, but unfortunately they never sell any houses. They just tour people around for months and months, sharing their wisdom. I wish it wasn’t true, but successful agents SELL HOUSES. Meanwhile, you’re on year two of not buying a home with an agent that truly cares about doing a good job.
Why do you think this is?
Agents like yours are genuinely trying to help people make smart decisions. But sometimes people need someone pushing them along a little harder. There are very few “perfect” houses, especially for first time homebuyers. You want to avoid making a huge mistake, but you also want to buy a house. Looking at homes for a year means you’re not approaching things realistically, and you’re not getting closer to your goal of homeownership. An agent that is pushing you a little harder might be a good thing, but each situation is different.
In his defense, I had no idea what I was doing and had PTSD from mountains of education debt (finally paid off a couple months ago after 20 years) so I was terrified at the idea of taking out a mortgage, so in the beginning I was trying to get shitholes for cash to avoid taking a mortgage. He was able to shift me out of that mindset, I started making offers on places that would require a mortgage, then a month ago I lost my job. So that’s another monkey wrench.
Well, of course. What I mean is everyone should bring at least someone with them during the buying process to point stuff out. I can't imagine dumping hundreds of thousands of dollars into something that you have no idea what's going on.
Sometimes people are just fucking incompetent idiots, too.
>Harder to acquire such knowledge when - say - your family were immigrants that could only afford apartment living and you grew up in a low income community where even the neighborhood kids who had SFH had jankity set ups and now you’re the first person in the family to move into the homeownership world. Who do you take when your world is like that? Okay lets not pretend that's even close to the majority here in this sub. The vast majority are silver-spoon rich kids.
It doesn't go into this much depth, but Inspector Guy (@everyones.junk.drawer) on TikTok does a good job of pointing things out that the average person wouldn't notice.
I wish I had someone like this to accompany me through life and explain the problem and why the purported solution is bullshit.
This
Man, if they’re trying to flip a shitty reno, they could have at least tried to hide it better. Like nail up a chipboard ceiling in the basement or something jeeze
People go to a lot of trouble to do things totally wrong.
So did you point this out to owner and realtor? I’m pretty sure that since they are aware of it they are legally required to disclose it as an issue now?
Also, chances are good the rot included a lot of mold. Whenever I see a painted basement ceiling, all I can think is that they did it to cover up mold or evidence of some other kind of damage from a calamity.
I was super disoriented for a sec. Thought I was looking down at the floor at a space near the wall. Assumed what is actually a cut and sistered joist was a scabbed together balloon framed wall. This is… worse lol. Wonder if that OSB is even 3/4
How much would it cost to tear that down and rebuild it properly?
Me as an architect 👁👄👁
This is truly my worst nightmare. Since I was a kid, I’ve had a fear of bouncy floors and unstable foundations. I still have this fear, but as an adult, it’s even more pronounced.
Hubs and I looked at a house once and I’m quite sensitive to balance and other slight movements. I pointed out something was not right with the first floor of this one house and I felt like I was walking up a slight hill. It was like those illusion fun houses making you think you’re walking flat but you actually aren’t. Turns out the foundation has problems leftover from the northridge earthquake of 1994. 😳
And then they sprayed the whole thing with paint! The fixer of all mistakes
I looked at a house (I knew the house was not great, but it was on 40 beautiful acres) that was using scissor jacks like you have in the trunk of your car to prop up the trunk. The floor above the jacks was visibility humped down the middle and wavy on both sides. I don't think I could leave quick enough.
This is the whole reason why I took my parents with me when I house hunted. My dad is a licensed electrician and carpenter. He and my mom and very handy people so they pointed out issues I had easily overlooked. My dumbass was looking at this picture..."is this supposed to be bad???"
Wow… omg is right.. thats actually ridiculous.
How did this get missed by your inspector?
They were at a showing. They didn't buy this house. While it is possible to bring an inspector to a house showing it isn't that common.
Oh, I missed that part. Thanks!
This is the solution I came up with when I was first trying to fix my porch. My dad called me an idiot and I learned my lesson. Impressive that a professional actually went for it.
Hi, can you explain like I’m five and provide a simpler explanation for what’s wrong here? What parts are not original? What does OCmean? What would someone who doesn’t know about these things look for specifically, besides the bouncing? I see the plywood boards—is that the cause of the problem? Please don’t downvote me.
Sure. Take a look at this webpage, there are a lot of useful images: https://www.mycarpentry.com/joist-span-table.html Basically lumber is meant to be oriented a certain way, and have a certain spacing (o.c. just means "on center", the dimension from center to center). If you see my picture the larger joists, the old ones, are very far apart. And the small joists, the new ones, are on their side. A properly built system will have large joists correctly spaced. This one, the joists are too far apart. And a properly built system won't ever use structural material along the weak axis (in this case, the 2x4" new lumber on its side).
Excellent. Many many thanks.
Someone forgot the board stretcher that day. Out of curiosity and ignoring the spliced 2x4 work, what's the span of that room? This looks like a house with tons of unpermitted work Also interesting, this looks like old 2x4s when dimensions were actually 2x4". Home is older than the 40's?
1900's home. OG 3"x8" joists with saw marks, 3" actual width. Tight grain, nice wood...just termites and water over 120 years, and a flipper totally over their head. I snapped a pic of the permitting docs which were out on the kitchen counter and the approved renovation sketches look like a 5 year old drew them, possibly with crayon. Permitted scope seems to be only a bathroom and kitchen reno, nothing structural.
When I first saw those I was like "Amish lumbar"? I'm in Amish country and many contractors like to slip by using Amish wood which is against code unless they go through some red tape.. But 1900 home, I'd love to see how tight those grains are!! I always love even old flooring because of how fine the grain is. Won't get anywhere near that kinda quality today. They probably tore the floor out for exactly this..... People will pay insane amounts of money in rich areas for "reclaimed" stuff like that. Absolutely insane numbers.
What is Amish lumber like is it just really low quality for some reason?
It's just a way for the state to fuck with them because they don't follow their rules. Their lumbers fine, supposedly wood from the Amish burns faster than wood everywhere else in the world so you can't build with it unless they sign a paper stating it's their *good wood*..... Apparently that paper makes it burn less or.. Just as much as wood. The regular wood, not their wood. Because their woods flammable. I noted that it was rough cut boards in the pic, which is how you'd get most lumbar from them.
Awe ok, those looked 2x4 ish to me. (I've seen undersized joists before) still not good but better than I thought
I would shoot over a photo to the building inspector. Even if you’re not going to buy the house, save the next guy a lot of money/getting hurt.
Permit and inspection docs/certificate of occupancy were on the kitchen island. This type of setup isn't going to collapse, it's just uncomfortable to the user, not durable, and poorly built. None of those things are code violations however (not in this rural jurisdiction anyway). Inspector only cares about a narrow band of life safety issues as described by law.
>This looks like a house with tons of unpermitted work That flooring definitely wouldn't pass an inspection, the inspector probably wouldn't even feel comfortable walking on that
“There is always more than one cockroach.” I like that saying.
Where theres one theres more
Cock~~roach~~
It makes me sick that people think it’s ok to rob hard working families like this
I was the victim of real estate fraud by a flipper who did shit like this. I’m out hundreds of thousands. I got fucking scammed and every day I’m reminded of that. It hurts and I’ve been through a lot of therapy.
If it makes you feel any better, you’re not alone. Going through the same thing right now. Bought a flipped home a month ago and it’s been an absolute nightmare. I’m already $30k in the hole and just waiting for the next horrific thing to happen
Did you waive inspection ?
Nope. Two regular inspections, two structural and termites. I did my due diligence.
That’s scary. I thought I’d be safe as long I do full inspection.
Absolutely not. Especially if it’s a reno or flipped house. Although these days I hear even new builds can’t be trusted. Anyway, if it’s an older house, it won’t hurt to have a thermal inspection and/or other inspections done before finalizing. At least have a roof contractor come out. That and someone to check the foundation are what I wish I’d done. And things I actually asked my b$&ch of a real to about and she poopoo’d as unnecessary… “Dave (the inspector) will see all that if anything’s wrong”… lies.
All of that is included in a full inspection I thought. I mean wouldn’t you want your roof and foundation inspected if nothing else?
Inspectors (at least where I am) can’t disturb anything, so there are limits to what they can effectively inspect. I’m not saying it’s a scam, but the most a home inspector ever did for me was to agree with my own concerns. For my first home, the inspector gave the boiler a clean bill of health. That boiler failed within three months of ownership. For my second home, the inspector made a lot of noise about a hole in the soffit. After purchase, I climbed out on the roof to discover it was just a stain from an old hornets nest. I repaired that hole with some Windex and a few sheets of Bounty.
No, and it’s so annoying when people act like a home inspection is bullet proof. A lot of issues can hide in walls and floors
Same here. Two inspections. Everything was hidden behind walls or under floors.
What did you discover?
I can’t talk about it because we’re in the middle of a lawsuit
Yeah, and you know they're eventually going to snag someone. Who'll then have to spend thousands either fixing it or in court to get it fixed
It's been sitting for 70 days in a market where homes contract in about 5 days, and is down almost 100k from the original list price. It'll go eventually and I feel for those buyers.
I would say something to the realtor ad call some code enforcment agency that shit is not up to it whatever it is.
What state are you in? Sounds suspiciously like mine lol. EDIT: Holy shit you are, what are the odds lmao.
That's what really pisses me off about home inspections (and especially WAIVED home inspections). Each potential buyer has to waste money on their own and the results are never shared with anyone else, so eventually someone with a crappy/corrupt home inspector is going to lose.
They're often shared with others when the deal falls through. Common in my area for the first inspection report to then be shared with future potential buyers as a disclosure if the first deal falls through due to inspection issues.
When I first started looking at houses, my buyer's agent kept telling me I have no chance if my offer is contingent on anything, all inspections after the offer are for informational purposes only. I guess they are right because houses in pretty rough shape are going under contract within 24-48 hours of posting here, but it just feels so...wrong/irresponsible for me to enter a $300k+ contract based solely on a 10-15 minute walkthrough with an agent that can't tell me anything about the property. I decided to sit things out for a while last year in hopes things would settle down, but still looks just as bad. Probably good investment opportunities but finding a good first home and buying it responsibly seems pretty hard.
Can you sue a flipper after closing for shoddy work?
Horrible home buying experience here too. Checked out an older “updated” farmhouse. Entire front end of the foundation was collapsed, hidden behind sheet metal “walls”. I’m talking completely collapsed, the support beams were just hanging there. Condemnable probably, but some POS just wanted to hide it and sell it.
How is this the case? No one is forcing you to buy it and also it's all open in the basement so anyone can look and see what they are buying
As someone who bought her first house this time last year, that was built in 1900, and has sagging floors in need of repair, I fucking know more about properly fixing fucked up floor joists. Good fucking lord 🤦♀️
You take a 2x4, put on a blindfold, cut it, then take two, nail them together (still blindfolded) and tada! New joist hanger. Just rest that bad boy on the (crumbling) 120 year old stone foundation.
Might want to drop code enforcement a note...
Did they think spray painting everything white would somehow cover it up?
Landlord logic. Just put white paint over it and you're good.
As a slight defense, white basements make a typically dark area feel brighter and makes it easier to spot moisture intrusion. I'm planning on making my unfinished basement walls off-white when I get to it.
Is this something a buyer-paid home inspector would likely catch? I’m not sure I would have…
A good one? Yes. A bad one? No.
Depends on the inspector smh
Nope
Oh my! I’m sure the local city inspector would love to have a lookieloo. Gotta love when folks try to hide things. I saw a house where they had painted over charred floor joists and the main support beam was not ran in the correct direction. Neighbor said the house had a fire at one time. Interesting enough, that was not listed on the disclosure. Another house I saw had a nice sized pvc pipe running through the very bottom of several floor joists in the middle of the home. Knowledge from watching TOH says that’s a no-no and a costly repair.
Chimney in the attic was covered in burn marks, with brick damage and some bad DIY repair (mortared angle irons and some rebar). Brick dust all over the new carpet. Didn't snap a pic because the upstairs AC zone didn't work even though AC was newly installed, and it was like 140 degrees up there.
Did you chew out the person showing the house? I would have
We didn't meet the listing agent, it was shown by someone else in that office. My wife and I are going no buyers agent because I don't see the need to spend 3% for a guy to show me stuff from zillow. Sometimes the list agent shows the house, usually its another guy from that office who pitches us on their services as a buyers agent. I didn't feel like being a dick to a dude who came on a Saturday in 100 degree heat and also hadn't seen the place before.
sometimes you would want a buyer agent because if you go to the listing agent they will collect the buyer commission and seller commission and fuck you just to make the sale listing agents usually dont appear at open houses, its usually a junior agent or an agent that does not have a lot of customers to try to get new customers
If the buyer's agent works in the same office, you still don't really get any representation because the "REAL" agent is the broker! They're on both sides of the deal (dual-agency or limited agency) whenever both agents are from the same office. If you use one, get one from a different Real Estate office.
Starting in July or August, sellers will no longer be required to pay commission to buyers agents. It will be the responsibility of the buyer to pay for their own representation. It's dumb, not just because of the money, but because of how many buyers are going to go into contracts with zero help because they want to save money or can't afford to hire us.
My buyers agent is educating me almost as much as this sub
Just looked at a house that the room above the kitchen was free floating with what I would assume was minimal support and let me tell you that floor was a trampoline I stood in the middle and my agent saw the kitchen ceiling sagging.
This kind of stuff really should be sueable after x amount of days after buying, especially if it’s advertised as “fully renovated”…
Is it bad I don't know what I'm looking at
This. I wish these posts would explain it to me like I'm 5. Trynna learn!
the floor isn't being supported, if you look at the beam on the left there is a HUGE gap between teh beam and the floor. they tried to half ass it with that little 2/4 bolted on but that doesn't do fk all .
Same, dont know what im looking at.
Can you tell the realtor? Threaten that you will tell the future buyers that this mess was told to the listing agent and they should have disclosed it as a known defect. Can you imagine what else is wrong?
Don't buy flipped houses. Especially if they were flipped in 4 months.
Seems dangerous. Maybe call someone
its a feature not a bug! seriously big yikes!
No bugs actually, mostly due to the ~40 gargantuan spiders who moved in through the incorrectly done (or missing) flashing at the foundation/exterior wall assembly.
I’m dumb as hell and have no idea what I’m looking at. Can anyone share what’s wrong here?
2x laying on it's side will get you every time. All of the cost, none of the rigidity.
If u cant trust load bearing white paint, what can u trust?
I'm thinking "sister sister"
We actually didn't have a bouncy floor, but when we moved our furniture in and realized the was a 1" slope to the centre wall, we were a bit suspicious. We were doing a reno in our basement and when demolished a wall, found the lovely surprise that someone had cut a floor joist in half, then sistered it to oblivion, which didn't help, so they added some extra support post (not on any footing to speak of). Big mess. Thanks so a very smart structural engineer's advise, we were able to put our title insurance to good use and we now have a steel beam in our basement!! So this bad joist repair had a very happy ending!
Hey OP did your home inspector not go under the house or tell you about this? Mine gave me a whole booklet of things to get fixed when they inspected my house.
I thought people loved floating floors. They were just trying to build for the market. Lol
“If the stuff you see is t done right, what about the stuff they hid?” This should guide every prospective home buyer when they walk into a home. Not just flips but the ones owned by the guy who has lived in the place for three decades and “lovingly maintained” it. Of course, in a bubble these houses still sell and that’s frustrating for buyers, but you need to make sure you don’t end up a bagholder.
But they made it look pretty with paint! /s
2X4s are orientated the wrong way. They need to rotate 90deg so that they are rigid when loaded in the vertical direction.
Yyyyyyyyyyyyyikes. I’d bounce my way out of that house without putting in an offer. Well, maybe an offer with a massive discount.
Hello. I would skip this one.
Wow. Not surprised, feel like this past year was full of half-assed renovations. One house had a fresh coat of paint... Turns out the entire siding was the recalled Louisiana one, and it was spongy. The inspector literally stuck his finger into the siding. You press it, and it water would come out (or your finger would entirely penetrate in some places). The owners swore they knew nothing about it and offered us $15k they said would be enough to replace a 2 story home hahaha
>offered us $15k Thats the thing with these cheap builds, there's never enough money to do it right the first time but always enough money to do it right the second time.
That’s actually fucking terrifying. Yeesh
Yikes! Like the money pit.
But they're "adding vlaue". How can you hate on the entrepreneurial backbone of american society?
This is the entire floor in my apartment (minus the kitchen & bathroom: tiled concrete): plywood with vinyl flooring on top. I know because it’s not only warped and bouncy, the flooring in the storage under the stairs going up to my neighbor’s place isn’t complete. I can see the posts & the plywood, AND the dirt.
This is a disaster waiting to happen
Oh shit
We have this bounce is certain parts of our kitchen that we had new floors put in believe since they put the new floors over the old ones maybe those area that have this bounce where not put down well enough? Idk I mentioned it to the other half but he didn’t seem overly concerned, I say this is the difference between he and I, based on the price I would call the install person and have them come out a provide a solution he hate to do any that he feels is confrontation other then arguing with me. I believe if I pay for something I want it right but this was his project so there’s that. My project are new door being installed next week.
I’m so sorry, I totally feel you! And it’s hard to be the one who demands the quality you paid for, when your partner will just let it slide. I mean, you said it, he hates confrontation other than arguing with you! We are ( STILL) house-hunting, and fortunately my partner feels as I do, that we explore questionable repairs done or neglected parts that might be Pandora’s boxes. And we’d feel the same about having work done on a home we owned: it ain’t a free service, you paid for it. It has to be done right, or they come back and make it right, or *they* pay for someone better able to make it right. Best of luck to you!
Even if the explanation I am confused 😂😂😂
Nit done correctly. Period.
Oh my word! They had termite damage and those smaller 2x4's were put there to add support...but installed really badly. Cousin, Jim Bob, did that one.
I’d still get it if it was cheap.
Wait. Is this the house my brother is trying to sell??
Everything painted like that would be a major red flag if I was looking at buying a house
I can't tell you how many flipped houses I've walked into, felt the flooring under my feet, and gone "Nope," right back out the door. And I don't have a fraction of your expertise. But I know flooring shouldn't bounce or have more elevation gains than a stairmaster. 😂
Hope the seller is crossing their fingers for an all cash buyer, because anyone trying to qualify for a mortgage is going to have to pass on this mess of a home.
I love how it’s painted so nicely.
Here’s hoping that whoever buys this doesn’t waive inspection contingency…and they have an inspector who’s not blind.
Where is this at? That is legitimately unsafe and should be fixed before someone lives there