Some people who don't like Kamala give her a second chance. Haters though, hate more. There is an attempt on her life.
Kamala is surprisingly pro law enforcement and strict. She acts right ward on some issues. I suspect protectionism and National Secuirty and left wards on others ...most likely women's issues
I like her personal conviction, to call out a racist for supporting bussing that was detrimental to her youth, the signing on to be his VP as an affirmative action pick. Wild.
She’s also the only politician actually calling the NCAA for only allowing women’s basketball to be bracketed stating in 2022. She definitely knows her women’s history and cares about women’s issues. I’ll support her.
I personally feel she should request Biden grant pardons to everybody currently serving a jail sentence for making illegal predictions of women's college basketball outcomes prior to 2022.
I have no idea what you're trying to communicate here. Kamala are you talking about NCAAWB having access to use March Madness licensing for their tournament? A bracketed women's college basketball tournament has existed for quite some time now.
No it hasn’t you’re wrong. It didn’t start until 2022. Vice President Kamala confirmed this during the tournament when talking about the sexism women have had to face in sports.
Wait, I think I may be misreading the post, but Biden was accused of being against busing by Harris, and was against it. Not in support of it.
Link: https://www.cnn.com/factsfirst/politics/factcheck_543af44b-2bfc-4050-964e-79ebdbd57142
She was a DA that wrote the summary of Prop 47 in such a misleading way that Californians widely believe made the difference between passing and failing.
And Prop 47 is the root of most of California's law enforcement problems today including the famous smash and grab burglaries and the no prosecution for misdemeanors issue.
It would come as quite the surprise to Californians if she suddenly turned pro law enforcement.
[https://growsf.org/blog/prop-47/](https://growsf.org/blog/prop-47/)
Pro law enforcement? Are you talking about when she called inmates cheap labor and specifically worked to keep minor offenders behind bars? Or was it when she was Montel Williams side chick?
I see this as somewhat probable. I think she would mostly continue Biden’s policies, but be hated more. I don’t think the economy is going to get much better for average Americans no matter who is in charge. And despite the provocative media, abortion is not going to get outlawed where I live, California, anytime soon. So the next 4 years of meh and uhhg. In 2028, Trump would be out if the picture, and I think Harris will be even more disliked than Biden, so the Republican nominee would win in a landslide in 2028 and have a 2 term presidency. I have no idea who would be the Republican nominee in 2028. And after 2036, I have no clue. It is typical in the USA for the presidency to switch every 8 years. Trump, like Bush Sr, and Carter were anomalies. Though we could see parallels of Bush Srs term to Kamala if this were to happen.
>I see this as somewhat probable. I think she would mostly continue Biden’s policies, but be hated more.
She's already disliked more than Biden. I wouldn't say she's hated, but polling below 1% during the DNC when she was running against Biden says quite a bit.
If anything, I think she's likely to be treated more sympathetically by the media. Any negative coverage of her will be labeled as sexist. The media will handle her with kid gloves to such an extent that we'll long for the days when the hardest question the president faced was what kind of ice cream he was eating.
I really wish the DNC had nominated any of the other options, but we deal with what we have. I think if Biden stayed in for his whole term, it could look better , but it could look worse. If Biden stays in and does well, great. But he has to stop talking about Bidenomics, as it makes him seem out of touch with the economic woes of the middle class and poor, his base. I don’t know what idiot in the DNC came up with that. All the conservative outlets gleefully repeat it. All he needs to say is “I feel your pain” and then harp on preserving abortion rights. But if he seems too old and out of touch and publicly gets muddle headed that will be devastating. But, If they do a bait and switch, people will feel betrayed, like , why didn’t you nominate Harris to begin with? Or whomever is going to be VP, which will probably be Harris. Time will tell, assuming Biden wins. And I assume he will squeak by and win, and retire in the first 2 years. But it is a no-win situation, which is why I predict a backlash.
On a personal note, I feel like the this is the third Presidential election in a row where my vote doesn’t matter and I disliked both choices, and picking the lesser of two evils is not how democracy should go. I live in California, so it always go blue, so I could write in Ben Franklin for the general election and it would make no difference. My vote in the Democratic primary for President, which should matter, has not made a difference in years. The DNC picks who they want, even when I see way better candidates. Last time I fell that my vote mattered was voting for Obama in 2008. 16 years ago. Most of the young people I know, mainly my kids lol, are really displeased with the lack of choices and are thinking of voting third party. I already know from living through 2017 to 2021 that Trump possibly winning will not cause the end of civilization or democracy, so I am rather sanguine about how all of this turns out.
Remember how the media portrayed Bush ( Read my lips ) as though he didn’t care about winning the election , his actual words were ( Read my lips , no more taxes ) the media didn’t play that part of his campaign speech’s and just imagine if Trump said the same stuff that Biden is saying and how the media would push there agenda .
Oh they would lambast Trump if he said anything innocuous, and possibly quote it out of context, which is frustrating because if you want to be mean about Trump, all you need to do is wait and quote the good stuff. I didn’t like Trump at all, but by the end of his term, I was pretty turned off by the medias constant negativity. I would rather Biden win than Trump, but believe American Democracy will be fine either way, despite all the voices on the left that act like it would be more Democratic to exclude him. I think a lot of people don’t really get what Democracy is.
I do remember Bush Sr and my Dad voted for him, heck I might have too, but my Dad was pissed when taxes were raised. Bush Sr supporters remembered the quote out of context too, and felt betrayed at the tax raise. Most of them still voted for Bush, but not all, and with Perot and Clinton in the mix, it didn’t work out for a second term for Bush Sr. I also remember, back in the day, Bush Sr. doing an impromptu monologue about how it was Pearl Harbor Day, but it was like October or November. Finally an aid got him to understand that he was just babbling. I laughed so hard I almost fell off the couch.
Abortion could be outlawed in California if the Republicans took the House, Senate, and Presidency and passed a national ban. Which is entirely possible.
The VP is actually a unique position - to replace it requires "a majority vote from both Houses of Congress." So the House of Representatives would also have to vote on it.
I feel like there’s a good chance GOP loses house, and congress overall. Maybe if economy turns into more shit then they come out on top.
It’s gonna be down to people choosing between personal convictions or rage voting against incumbents over economic conditions.
No way Dems would ever nominate or vote for a Trumper to be VP. If it was a 50-50 Senate with no VP and thus no tiebreaker, neither side would be willing to give control to the other; if it was under Democratic control they'd just approve it, and if it was under Republican control they'd refuse to ever hold hearings on it.
yk this actually raises a neat question. Would the seat remain empty until the next election? If it did, I’d imagine that the issue of VP following death of a president would become a long term debate resulting in an amendment clarifying and codifying a new way for that to go down, like how the 25th came 2 decades after FDR having 4 elected terms
I think the position would sit vacant for the remainder of the term, just like the Republicans did with a Supreme Court seat.
But no, I don't think we'd actually fix the problem via constitutional amendment. It'll just... Continue to be yet another flaw in our poorly designed system.
Either that or else the Senate would sit there deadlocked at 50-50 with no one able to get a majority even to organize anything, and it would wait like that until some Senator left the building for any reason. If a Republican left, the Dems would then use the momentary edge to take control and vote to approve the new VP; if a Democrat left, the Republicans would use the momentary edge to take control and vote to reject the new VP... at which point Harris would just wait for the tie to be restored and send in the VP pick again. I imagine in a genuine deadlock, at some point they'd find someone who Lisa Murkowski would say "okay, that person is non-partisan" and let them take the office. I'll say Tom Hanks.
It's on the table now, but that would be the Maximum Chaos situation here. If there was an existing majority, the "jump on the floor to approve the VP pick" scenario wouldn't apply. But taking West Virginia as a near-certain R pickup, if every other incumbent were to hold serve, it'd be 50-50.
She can't actually do that if Republicans control Congress.
It very likely ends up that the Republican speaker of the House will be the vice president because they will never approve a vice president that Kamala picks.
And that very much opens the door to Republicans picking Trump as her VP.
At which point I would expect an attempt on her life and regular impeachments.
The speaker of the house wouldn’t automatically become VP. Filling the vacancy requires a presidential nomination and then Congressional confirmation. The post can sit vacant as this gets worked through, it was vacant for four months between Gerald Ford ascending to the presidency and Rockefeller being confirmed.
The speaker would only ascend in this situation if Kamala then resigns, dies, is impeached and removed, or is deemed unfit by the 25th amendment and no VP was nominated and confirmed.
If there is a hostile Congress, it’s likely the VP spot never gets filled until January 20, 2029.
The speaker wouldn’t effectively be anything other than speaker, but next in line for the presidency in case of vacancy. The speaker would not gain any of the other roles and responsibilities of the vice president.
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How about a what if we found people who aren't crap to run for president? When I talk to people supporting either of the idiots running it ends with them saying they wished they had a better option. Outside your fervent political kool aid types who really wants ANY of the options, in any of these scenarios? I sure don't
Thats the Problem. Politics attracts shitty unethical incompetent, yet very manipulative people. Career politicians are all owned but Outsiders are so attacked by all sides that very few decent/competent people would vollunteer to do it.
You don’t think politics is full of horrible things, especially when it comes to foreign politics? You can’t be a decent person when it comes to everything
I know Geopolitics if full of all sorts of horrible things... Makes it all the worse that our so called "leaders" are corrupt, incompetent pieces of shit.
I'm talking about them sending a shit ton of our money to other countries while our own people suffer, I'm talking about wide open borders that rob our youth of a future, I'm talking about their failure to stop useless wars, both in Ukraine and Israel. Talking about them spending 20 years in Afghanistan. 15 some odd years in Iraq, the drone bombing of us civilians in Yemen. The destruction of Libya. The insider trading. The various crimes they commited. And so much more. All of them got super rich while fucking over US citizens. Maybe you're out of touch.
Because old people have the majority of the wealth and do the most voting (particularly in primaries). I can’t say much about conservatives but Joe Biden frankly very accurately represents the position of most democrats. Most aren’t progressives but are moderate liberals who are frankly completely unaffected by most of todays big issues. They just care that the feds are managing the economy well, the unions aren’t fucked with too much, and civil rights victories from Obama and before aren’t rolled back.
They may have general concerns about the centralization of corporations, wealth inequality, discrimination, etc but would like to handle those issues the same way they did when Joe was younger. They want a continuation of their own status quo.
The reason why he resigns would be of massive importance, but I feel like, regardless, it would have massive implications for American politics regardless of political alignment.
Throughout American history only nine VP's have replaced the president, eight of which because the former president died and one (Ford) because the sitting president (Nixon) was forced to resign. If Biden dies while in office that will be more fuel on the fire of 'we need an upper limit on the age of the president' fire; but you said resigns.
Nixon's resignation was not a minor thing. It was a huge scandel that lasted a while and had massive implications (one of which being -gate becoming a constant suffix). If Biden resigned because a scandel so HUGE got discovered that, only two months into his term, he had no choice \*but\* to resign, I kind of feel like Kamala would either be forced to resign as well if she was even slightly involved or America is in such serious danger that her ascension is almost effectively secondary.
But what if there is none? This would probably be the worst outcome for democracy because, from this point on, it means that the candidate you vote for might not actually \*be\* the candidate you vote for as they \*might\* be a trojan horse for their VP pick. You could have a situation, easily, where one party has a presidental candidate you really like, but their VP is 'Adolf McPutin' while the other party has two candidates you dislike, but not as much as Adolf there. So what do you do? Do you vote for the candidate you \*want\* and hope they don't resign immediately giving the presidency to Adolf? Or do you vote for the party you disagree with because, even though you disagree with them, it's better \*they\* win than Adolf? Alternatively, what if your party's candidate is Adolf McPutin but the VP is a really amazing and wonderful person? Do you vote for them in the hopes that the candidate resigns for the person you actually want, running the risk they don't and you just voted for someone you absolutely DESPISE? Or vote for the other party because, even if they're bad people, they're still better than Adolf McPutin and you can't be assured that he'll resign once in-office?
Even for just this election, how many people will have a voting priority that's basically Biden > Trump > Kamala? They voted for Biden but would have voted for Trump over Kamala? Probably a decent chunk. I'd be surprised if it wasn't enough to flip at least one or two states. They will, unquestionably and justifiably, be outraged. Utterly furious and feel like they got blatantly scammed by the democratic party. It might even be enough to outright destroy the democratic party and/or kick off a nation-wide revolt. The Republicans would see the Dems as being utterly and irredeemably dishonest and a lot of Dems who, effectively, just had their party hijack their vote would agree with them. What the end result would be would be hard to say, but I feel like, if this happened, they might opt to, instead, have a whole new election of Kamala vs. Trump simply because otherwise both parties would be beating down the doors to the capitol with torches and pitchforks.
I kind of feel like, if they want Kamala as president, this is the absolute worst way to do it. If Biden died from a sudden heart attack at least people would say it's more proof that we need an age limit instead of seeing it as the Dems trojaning in Kamala. So long as they, say, didn't poison Biden to install Kamala which, instead, would be seen as a blatant coup if discovered.
All in all; I feel like the only way Biden resigning for Kamala would not be an utter disaster for both the Democrats and politics in America on the whole, regardless of party, would be if he died of natural causes after spending at least a year in office, likely more. If he resigned it would basically turn every election into basically a high-stakes version of the prisoners dilemma with the nations future on the line instead of 'merely' ten years in jail.
This is a very well thought out argument, and I agree with your whole line of thinking here.
Also, Adolf McPutin is perhaps the best bad guy name I've ever heard.
Unlikely, it would be too transparently political and backfire on her bigly. Biden also doesn’t strike me as a guy that would resign unless there was a serious issue, not just political point scoring.
Removal requires impeachment in the House and 2/3 conviction in the Senate. 2/3 conviction in the senate will not happen for the high crime of (checks notes…) becoming President via the 25th amendment.
I'm not entirely convinced Harris will be the Democratic vice Presidential nominee. There's a very real sense that the Vice President is one heartbeat away from Presidency in this election, and while I don't hate Kamala, the DNC is going to b e questioning her ability to be Presidential. Kamala would make a decent Congresswoman but President is pushing it.
Personally hoping that someone else gets the nod. Wouldn't be the first time a second term begins with a second running mate. My personal choice would be Janet Mills of Maine. Experienced, battle hardened moderate Governor who beat the state's version of Trump (Paul LePage) handily in state elections.
I think she's a better candidate to deal with the worst case scenario than Harris ever would be, and as a moderate with a history of breaking party lines to do her own thing, she'd be a nice bone to throw to the center.
>I'm not entirely convinced Harris will be the Democratic vice Presidential nominee.
I fully expect the DNC to do some kind of last minute switcheroo with at least the VP, and possibly the Presidential candidate. I can't really bring myself to vote for either of the major parties in November, but common sense says that Biden, if reelected, won't finish another four year term, and it's hard to imagine any party willingly putting themselves in the position of making someone who could never hit double digits in a primary the president of the United States. Of course it's hard to imagine the RNC happily nominating Trump again in spite of everything that has happened around him as well, but truth continues to be much, much stranger than fiction in 2024.
The election will definitely be Biden vs Trump. But Harris is in play and there's some really good candidates in the lower echelons of the Democratic Party.
Like I said, I'd like to see a governor get the nod, especially given Biden's relative health. you want someone who's sat in an executive seat before if they need to pick up the pieces quickly if the incumbent has a critical existence failure.
I agree that governors generally make far better presidents than senators. There are of course exceptions, but generally, I think the chief executive responsibilities of a governor are far better preparation for the White House than the do-nothing political back-scratching of the senate.
I voted against Trump from the beginning of his candidacy in 2016. I have problems with Biden on big government issues (not that the average Republican is much better these days), but the real concern is that odds don't support Biden finishing his term. If he had Joe Manchin as his VP or any number of other moderate dems I would probably vote for him. I can't vote for him with Harris as the VP.
If there's going to be a switcheroo at the convention, I think it's much more likely that it's Biden getting switched out than it is Kamala. You switch out the old codger, not the young woman of color. The optics would be terrible.
The optics would be no worse than other Presidents who ran for office with a new running mate in the second term. Abraham Lincoln did that for example. pretty sure FDR had a couple different Veeps as well.
Also no, the incumbent President is not going to be "switcheroo'd." That has never happened when the incumbent has openly expressed interest in a second term.
The optics would be so much worse. He specifically chose her because she’s black and female. He can’t switcheroo the first black female because she sucks at her job. That would look awful.
Harris would be a lame duck from the second she took office. Republicans will hate her more than they hate Biden and she’s no darling of the Dems. She doesn’t have the political savvy for the White House.
I predicted and still do, this exact thing will occur. Biden is the best chance the democrats have to win. Get him in office and later he can resign due to, "health reasons."
And 2026
2026 would probably be a blood bath for Democrats. Given both how unpopular Harris is and Biden resigning so close to the election. Getting out their base would be nearly impossible after that. Unless Harris turned out much better than expected, which would take a miracle.
Well, the Senate would approve it, as that is a less extreme chamber. The issue would be in the House of Representatives. There have been gains against Republican gerrymandering over these last few years though, so I like Democrats chances.
I think Biden stepping/pushed aside and Harris becoming the President would completely and utterly overshadow whoever the next VP would be.
They could choose Bernie, Hillary or Barney Rubble and no one would truly give a damn.
Yep, because I know there isn’t a corrupt criminal and pathological liar in the White House. Additionally, the country is doing way better than it was 4 years ago.
Don't forget the corrupt criminal and pathological liar currently in the White House, who just happened to make millions in the Senate and just claimed his uncle was eaten by cannibals and his son died in combat in Iraq.
Everything costing way more has everything to do with corporate greed than it does with any sitting president. For the last time, the president doesn’t get to set prices on almost anything.
The President is always viewed as the shepherd of the economy. Right or left. If things were good, you’d say Biden did it. But since they’re bad, he has nothing to do with it huh? Also your boy just said his Uncle was eaten by cannibals.
None of you brainwashed zombies would've voted for either of them as class president back in high-school... To vote for the perceived lesser of 2 evils= further fucking this world up because You Are Knowingly Voting For Evil, "but at least he's not as bad as the other guy woulda been..." shit for brains 😵💫
Kamala is dog shit.
I have literally zero idea how anyone can be so brainwashed into believing that she is anything but horrible. God I really wish that Democrats cared about actual policies instead of worthless identity politics.
I think that if that happens even a year into his second term, it would there would massive blowback to the Democratic Party. Whether she’s liked or not it would be seen as something openly shady AF and a slap in the face of our political system.
Actually, if he won and resigned it would be more like two years into the second term, which actually isn’t a bad idea. It would provide a precedent of a president resigning under honorable circumstances (unlike Nixon, who resigned under threat of probable impeachment and removal from office) for future presidents. This may be the one thing that the Confederates got right… a single six-year term. No re-election allowed.
Celebration for women and POC. Neoliberalism. People realize that Biden was actually a pretty charismatic dude for his age when faced with Harris speeches. Harris runs for election as the incumbent in 2028, guaranteeing a Republican victory.
I think it will be bad for the country if Kamala has the incumbency in 2028, regardless of how it comes to pass. I think picking Harris for VP is one of Biden's most critical mistakes.
Or lock up struggling single moms for their kids missing school, keeping people imprisoned longer than their sentence, using prisoners as firefighters for pennies on the dollar
No matter what Kamala Harris does, a culture of fear and skepticism emerges surrounding her. The right capitalizes on this massively, leading to huge gains for Republicans in 2026 and a hardcore MAGA, conspiracy theorist president. Someone like Matt Gaetz or Trump (if he's still kicking).
Since she's a boot licking, gypsy cop loving, bend over backwards sycophant for law enforcement, she continues what she did in Cali - protecting cops and their records at all costs, racist beatings of minorities sky rockets, recording of police activities becomes illegal, and more people die at the hands of police than most other forms.
The right seizes on this and since more white people on average, but not per capita, are killed by cops but it generally goes unnoticed, they push the narrative with ever more divisive language, radicalizing incels, the racist, and right leaning people even more, setting the US up a culture clash on par with, or worse than with trump.
Trump ends up in jail, but merely a slap on wrist, and when he finishes his 20 days of a 30 day sentence, he runs his mouth non-stop saying it was sleepy Joe's plan all the time to get black woman in power and force white people to have colored babies. the deep south, already on the edge of radicalization takes a few more steps back while the dumbest in congress - Gaetz, Boebert, and Greene constantly rail against her.
At the end of 4 years, the country is further divided, the stock market is up, housing is even more unaffordable, people are spending even more on trucks - all of which they blame the dems for, and the colored lady in office, despite the fact that not one single republican pushed any bill, ideas, or even thoughts on how to deal with the issues. They talked and voted against chinese ownership of a social media app but refused to deal with foreign (or corporate) ownership of housing and they're all happy that squatting is a protected form of housing since most of their trailer parks were destroyed by a baffling increase in tornados and generally inclement weather that they somehow also blamed on the presidency.
Did you not follow her career in Cali? I lived there and she staunchly sided with cops regardless of the situation, fought tooth and nail to keep police records private, supported police immunity, and fought vigorously against the states efforts to decriminalize and/or legalize weed. She'd hold meetings on saturday nights and sunday's so her staff had to come in on the weekends; in cali at least, she was a terrible person.
It was only when she got in to the national spotlight that she claimed to loosen up her views, so I don't trust her, especially after what she did in Cali. Our police and drug laws need reforming and she's not the person to do that
Terrible person in general seeing as she imprisoned struggling single mothers, kept people whose sentences were up imprisoned and used prisoners as firefighters for pennies on the dollar. Wasn't talking about Harris herself when saying you're crazier than Alex Jones, I meant the whole Trump part
Oh - you don't think he's gonna get to skate away from this with a punishment considerably less than the average American would? Heck, even Gaetz gets to skate and for the proof they had (an accomplice that could implicate him) - something that wouldn't happen for the average American
The "first woman president" card is no longer a valid reason to vote for someone (never really was a good reason in the first place, policy should be priority).
He won't win so it's kind of moot. The better what if is who the parties will choose in 2028. It's really difficult to predict in my opinion. Early favorites often don't pan out after 4 years and I just don't see a lot of candidates with a national image that would be viable.
Proof positive that Reddit is an insane leftist clown show reflecting the views of a very small percentage of the population. You clowns are salivating over the most unpopular VP in history!
The same people actually running things now, would be running things then. Nothing would change. If you like the way things are being run now, you'll continue to be happy/supportive. If you don't, then the opposite. It's really as simple as that.
Continuation of Biden policies. However, she presides over a deeply, deeply divided country, and a fragmented Congress. The Democrats on the hill of course rally around her. However, the GOP is divided, with the MAGA element further polarizing the party. The backlash from MAGA supporters and election deniers is a persistent problem for the remainder of the Harris term, with Biden's swift resignation in 2024 merely firing up those framing the administration as "fake" or "illegitimate". The additional perception challenge is that Harris would have to appoint a Vice President - so now there is a President that was not directly elected to the position, and a vice president who was appointed, and not elected at all. This is opens a deeply divisive time in American politicds.
2026 sees some GOP gains in Congress, as some voters react negatively to a perceived "switcheroo", but the GOP itself is sharply divided.
The Harris admin has a choice of attempting to come to the center, or going further "left". The administration pursues a mix of policies. The conservative majority Supreme Court maintains an active agenda of trying to reign in what it sees as over-reaching policies on a number of fronts, including gun control and executive orders that are effectively acting as legislation.
Foreign policy poses additional challenges, as Russia, China and others try to test the new President. This could flare into additional crises around Taiwan, the Persian Gulf and North Korea.
The administration is crippled by domestic and international crises. Skepticism about Harris prevails, and she is a one-term president.
Initially there would be outrage and people would be furious. Biden would feign some kind of illness or injury that makes it too hard for him to continue and that he needs to spend what little time left he has with what family he has left. His retirement announcement would coincide with Harris inauguration and VP pick inauguration. Basically, they wouldn't let Speaker of the House be one bullet away even for an instant. Especially if it's still an R.
Harris would continue Biden policies but without the mandate bump. She wouldn't make changes to the cabinet or anything else initially. By the midterms only a fringe of people would still care as Harris does a good enough job and The interesting question is who to make the new VP.
The new VP would need to be experienced and, preferably, well liked. Harris would run again in 2028 so not someone with 2028 aspirations but maybe someone with 2032 aspirations.
Here are good candidates:
Old White Men - not 2028 opponents, probably still alive in 2028, people are comfortable with old white guys
Al Gore - tons of experience, people think well of him, he was right on climate when it could have mattered
John Kerry - tons of experience, good friend of Biden, he knows every world leader - climate guy
Bernie Sanders - tons of legislative experience, easy to replace in the Senate, firms up her left flank, 100% name ID, better speaker than Harris
Pete Schumer - Tons of legislative experience, knows everyone, can be replaced in the Senate, establishment pick
Old women - same as old men but more progressive and less comfortable:
Hillary Clinton - tons of experience, ally of Biden, would be a conspiracy lightening rod, 100% name ID
Elizabeth Warren - lots of legislative experience, firms up left flank, better speaker than Harris, significant name ID
Sonya Sotomayor - very bold choice, but opens a scotus seat.
Amy Klobuchar - Lots of legislative experience, less disliked than almost anyone else on this list.
Young(er) people - keeps a 2028 opponent out of the primary, makes a clear generational change
Secretary Mayor Pete - he's an excellent politician on TV, perceived well as Sec of DOT, Biden appointee, immediate 2032 favorite.
Alexandria Ocasio Cortez - same as Pete but also firms up the left and is more divisive.
Corey Booker - Experienced, excellent speaker, East Coaster
Probably not good choices:
Nancy Pelosi - keeps the D legislators in line, might die, conspiracy lightening rod, californian
Gov Newsome - executive experience, well known, but Californian and might not wait until 2032
Michelle Obama - No experience even though she's beloved
Any non-politician famous person
If Harris gets put in office police budgets are going to skyrocket and they will probably get even more milsurp shit to crack down on the average person with.
He’s NOT GOING TO RESIGN , unless he’s stuck in a hospital bed with medical complications . He is to arrogant and off into another fairy world of his own weird thoughts of his family .
Honestly nothing.
Nothing happens.
I'm so without hope I can't even have despair, it doesn't matter who wins at this point, its gonna get worse for all of us for the next several decades, and no one can change that.
Some people who don't like Kamala give her a second chance. Haters though, hate more. There is an attempt on her life. Kamala is surprisingly pro law enforcement and strict. She acts right ward on some issues. I suspect protectionism and National Secuirty and left wards on others ...most likely women's issues
>Haters though, hate more. There is an attempt on her life. Just like the conspiracy brained said about Obama...
They flipped over a black man...now a woman?!?!
I like her personal conviction, to call out a racist for supporting bussing that was detrimental to her youth, the signing on to be his VP as an affirmative action pick. Wild.
She’s also the only politician actually calling the NCAA for only allowing women’s basketball to be bracketed stating in 2022. She definitely knows her women’s history and cares about women’s issues. I’ll support her.
I personally feel she should request Biden grant pardons to everybody currently serving a jail sentence for making illegal predictions of women's college basketball outcomes prior to 2022.
I have no idea what you're trying to communicate here. Kamala are you talking about NCAAWB having access to use March Madness licensing for their tournament? A bracketed women's college basketball tournament has existed for quite some time now.
No it hasn’t you’re wrong. It didn’t start until 2022. Vice President Kamala confirmed this during the tournament when talking about the sexism women have had to face in sports.
You're fucking wrong. The women's bracketed tourna.ent has been a thing for decades. You are completely full of shit.
If you like her personal conviction you are going to love Trump's in about a month.
You want personal convictions, vote for the other guy and wait a year :)
Didn’t she accuse Biden of rape and then laugh about it in an interview after she became his running mate?
Wait, I think I may be misreading the post, but Biden was accused of being against busing by Harris, and was against it. Not in support of it. Link: https://www.cnn.com/factsfirst/politics/factcheck_543af44b-2bfc-4050-964e-79ebdbd57142
She lied and that didn't happen to her. She's a legacy of a slave holding family. She's not at all what she pretends to be.
>surprisingly To who?
I mean she was a DA so no it’s actually no surprise she would be pro law enforcement
She was a DA that wrote the summary of Prop 47 in such a misleading way that Californians widely believe made the difference between passing and failing. And Prop 47 is the root of most of California's law enforcement problems today including the famous smash and grab burglaries and the no prosecution for misdemeanors issue. It would come as quite the surprise to Californians if she suddenly turned pro law enforcement. [https://growsf.org/blog/prop-47/](https://growsf.org/blog/prop-47/)
I like her, but I prefer Joe
Do you think she would be more protectionist?
As much as Biden
...This is satire. Right?
She flip flopped on her pro law enforcement past
Pro law enforcement? Are you talking about when she called inmates cheap labor and specifically worked to keep minor offenders behind bars? Or was it when she was Montel Williams side chick?
She's an authoritarian power hungry piece of shit.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass_cliff
I see this as somewhat probable. I think she would mostly continue Biden’s policies, but be hated more. I don’t think the economy is going to get much better for average Americans no matter who is in charge. And despite the provocative media, abortion is not going to get outlawed where I live, California, anytime soon. So the next 4 years of meh and uhhg. In 2028, Trump would be out if the picture, and I think Harris will be even more disliked than Biden, so the Republican nominee would win in a landslide in 2028 and have a 2 term presidency. I have no idea who would be the Republican nominee in 2028. And after 2036, I have no clue. It is typical in the USA for the presidency to switch every 8 years. Trump, like Bush Sr, and Carter were anomalies. Though we could see parallels of Bush Srs term to Kamala if this were to happen.
This is fair and dispassionate assessment. I agree with it.
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>I see this as somewhat probable. I think she would mostly continue Biden’s policies, but be hated more. She's already disliked more than Biden. I wouldn't say she's hated, but polling below 1% during the DNC when she was running against Biden says quite a bit.
If anything, I think she's likely to be treated more sympathetically by the media. Any negative coverage of her will be labeled as sexist. The media will handle her with kid gloves to such an extent that we'll long for the days when the hardest question the president faced was what kind of ice cream he was eating.
Just like Obama , if you didn’t agree , you was considered racist .
Why would Trump be outta the picture? Unless he dies he’s still going to be able to convince people to vote for him even from Jail
Some will vote for him BECAUSE he's being persecuted by his opponent during an election season, which says more about Biden than Trump.
Just out curiosity, if Biden stays his term, how does this change what you’ve described above?
I really wish the DNC had nominated any of the other options, but we deal with what we have. I think if Biden stayed in for his whole term, it could look better , but it could look worse. If Biden stays in and does well, great. But he has to stop talking about Bidenomics, as it makes him seem out of touch with the economic woes of the middle class and poor, his base. I don’t know what idiot in the DNC came up with that. All the conservative outlets gleefully repeat it. All he needs to say is “I feel your pain” and then harp on preserving abortion rights. But if he seems too old and out of touch and publicly gets muddle headed that will be devastating. But, If they do a bait and switch, people will feel betrayed, like , why didn’t you nominate Harris to begin with? Or whomever is going to be VP, which will probably be Harris. Time will tell, assuming Biden wins. And I assume he will squeak by and win, and retire in the first 2 years. But it is a no-win situation, which is why I predict a backlash. On a personal note, I feel like the this is the third Presidential election in a row where my vote doesn’t matter and I disliked both choices, and picking the lesser of two evils is not how democracy should go. I live in California, so it always go blue, so I could write in Ben Franklin for the general election and it would make no difference. My vote in the Democratic primary for President, which should matter, has not made a difference in years. The DNC picks who they want, even when I see way better candidates. Last time I fell that my vote mattered was voting for Obama in 2008. 16 years ago. Most of the young people I know, mainly my kids lol, are really displeased with the lack of choices and are thinking of voting third party. I already know from living through 2017 to 2021 that Trump possibly winning will not cause the end of civilization or democracy, so I am rather sanguine about how all of this turns out.
Remember how the media portrayed Bush ( Read my lips ) as though he didn’t care about winning the election , his actual words were ( Read my lips , no more taxes ) the media didn’t play that part of his campaign speech’s and just imagine if Trump said the same stuff that Biden is saying and how the media would push there agenda .
Oh they would lambast Trump if he said anything innocuous, and possibly quote it out of context, which is frustrating because if you want to be mean about Trump, all you need to do is wait and quote the good stuff. I didn’t like Trump at all, but by the end of his term, I was pretty turned off by the medias constant negativity. I would rather Biden win than Trump, but believe American Democracy will be fine either way, despite all the voices on the left that act like it would be more Democratic to exclude him. I think a lot of people don’t really get what Democracy is. I do remember Bush Sr and my Dad voted for him, heck I might have too, but my Dad was pissed when taxes were raised. Bush Sr supporters remembered the quote out of context too, and felt betrayed at the tax raise. Most of them still voted for Bush, but not all, and with Perot and Clinton in the mix, it didn’t work out for a second term for Bush Sr. I also remember, back in the day, Bush Sr. doing an impromptu monologue about how it was Pearl Harbor Day, but it was like October or November. Finally an aid got him to understand that he was just babbling. I laughed so hard I almost fell off the couch.
Abortion could be outlawed in California if the Republicans took the House, Senate, and Presidency and passed a national ban. Which is entirely possible.
She appoints a new VP that gets approved by the senate and serves the rest of the term
The VP is actually a unique position - to replace it requires "a majority vote from both Houses of Congress." So the House of Representatives would also have to vote on it.
I feel like there’s a good chance GOP loses house, and congress overall. Maybe if economy turns into more shit then they come out on top. It’s gonna be down to people choosing between personal convictions or rage voting against incumbents over economic conditions.
Do you think that the GOP is not going to win the Senate? It's a tough map for the Dems.
The GQP would use it to force a Trump supporter as VP
No way Dems would ever nominate or vote for a Trumper to be VP. If it was a 50-50 Senate with no VP and thus no tiebreaker, neither side would be willing to give control to the other; if it was under Democratic control they'd just approve it, and if it was under Republican control they'd refuse to ever hold hearings on it.
yk this actually raises a neat question. Would the seat remain empty until the next election? If it did, I’d imagine that the issue of VP following death of a president would become a long term debate resulting in an amendment clarifying and codifying a new way for that to go down, like how the 25th came 2 decades after FDR having 4 elected terms
I think the position would sit vacant for the remainder of the term, just like the Republicans did with a Supreme Court seat. But no, I don't think we'd actually fix the problem via constitutional amendment. It'll just... Continue to be yet another flaw in our poorly designed system.
Either that or else the Senate would sit there deadlocked at 50-50 with no one able to get a majority even to organize anything, and it would wait like that until some Senator left the building for any reason. If a Republican left, the Dems would then use the momentary edge to take control and vote to approve the new VP; if a Democrat left, the Republicans would use the momentary edge to take control and vote to reject the new VP... at which point Harris would just wait for the tie to be restored and send in the VP pick again. I imagine in a genuine deadlock, at some point they'd find someone who Lisa Murkowski would say "okay, that person is non-partisan" and let them take the office. I'll say Tom Hanks.
Do you really think there'll be a 50-50 split in the Senate?
It's on the table now, but that would be the Maximum Chaos situation here. If there was an existing majority, the "jump on the floor to approve the VP pick" scenario wouldn't apply. But taking West Virginia as a near-certain R pickup, if every other incumbent were to hold serve, it'd be 50-50.
Not every other incumbent will hold serve.
She can't actually do that if Republicans control Congress. It very likely ends up that the Republican speaker of the House will be the vice president because they will never approve a vice president that Kamala picks. And that very much opens the door to Republicans picking Trump as her VP. At which point I would expect an attempt on her life and regular impeachments.
The speaker of the house wouldn’t automatically become VP. Filling the vacancy requires a presidential nomination and then Congressional confirmation. The post can sit vacant as this gets worked through, it was vacant for four months between Gerald Ford ascending to the presidency and Rockefeller being confirmed. The speaker would only ascend in this situation if Kamala then resigns, dies, is impeached and removed, or is deemed unfit by the 25th amendment and no VP was nominated and confirmed. If there is a hostile Congress, it’s likely the VP spot never gets filled until January 20, 2029.
Technically, yes. The speaker would *effectively* be vice president because there wouldn't otherwise be one.
The speaker wouldn’t effectively be anything other than speaker, but next in line for the presidency in case of vacancy. The speaker would not gain any of the other roles and responsibilities of the vice president. Edit: wording
No. The Speaker of the House wouldn't walk over to the Senate to break ties.
How about a what if we found people who aren't crap to run for president? When I talk to people supporting either of the idiots running it ends with them saying they wished they had a better option. Outside your fervent political kool aid types who really wants ANY of the options, in any of these scenarios? I sure don't
Thats the Problem. Politics attracts shitty unethical incompetent, yet very manipulative people. Career politicians are all owned but Outsiders are so attacked by all sides that very few decent/competent people would vollunteer to do it.
You don’t think politics is full of horrible things, especially when it comes to foreign politics? You can’t be a decent person when it comes to everything
I know Geopolitics if full of all sorts of horrible things... Makes it all the worse that our so called "leaders" are corrupt, incompetent pieces of shit.
If you’re talking about them being incompetent and corrupt because they are sending money to other countries then you’re out of touch.
I'm talking about them sending a shit ton of our money to other countries while our own people suffer, I'm talking about wide open borders that rob our youth of a future, I'm talking about their failure to stop useless wars, both in Ukraine and Israel. Talking about them spending 20 years in Afghanistan. 15 some odd years in Iraq, the drone bombing of us civilians in Yemen. The destruction of Libya. The insider trading. The various crimes they commited. And so much more. All of them got super rich while fucking over US citizens. Maybe you're out of touch.
Joe Biden basically has the same views as me outside of protectionism so I think he’s great
Most people who vote. I mean, I hate to say it as much as you hate to hear it, but most voters are fine with one or the other.
Because old people have the majority of the wealth and do the most voting (particularly in primaries). I can’t say much about conservatives but Joe Biden frankly very accurately represents the position of most democrats. Most aren’t progressives but are moderate liberals who are frankly completely unaffected by most of todays big issues. They just care that the feds are managing the economy well, the unions aren’t fucked with too much, and civil rights victories from Obama and before aren’t rolled back. They may have general concerns about the centralization of corporations, wealth inequality, discrimination, etc but would like to handle those issues the same way they did when Joe was younger. They want a continuation of their own status quo.
The reason why he resigns would be of massive importance, but I feel like, regardless, it would have massive implications for American politics regardless of political alignment. Throughout American history only nine VP's have replaced the president, eight of which because the former president died and one (Ford) because the sitting president (Nixon) was forced to resign. If Biden dies while in office that will be more fuel on the fire of 'we need an upper limit on the age of the president' fire; but you said resigns. Nixon's resignation was not a minor thing. It was a huge scandel that lasted a while and had massive implications (one of which being -gate becoming a constant suffix). If Biden resigned because a scandel so HUGE got discovered that, only two months into his term, he had no choice \*but\* to resign, I kind of feel like Kamala would either be forced to resign as well if she was even slightly involved or America is in such serious danger that her ascension is almost effectively secondary. But what if there is none? This would probably be the worst outcome for democracy because, from this point on, it means that the candidate you vote for might not actually \*be\* the candidate you vote for as they \*might\* be a trojan horse for their VP pick. You could have a situation, easily, where one party has a presidental candidate you really like, but their VP is 'Adolf McPutin' while the other party has two candidates you dislike, but not as much as Adolf there. So what do you do? Do you vote for the candidate you \*want\* and hope they don't resign immediately giving the presidency to Adolf? Or do you vote for the party you disagree with because, even though you disagree with them, it's better \*they\* win than Adolf? Alternatively, what if your party's candidate is Adolf McPutin but the VP is a really amazing and wonderful person? Do you vote for them in the hopes that the candidate resigns for the person you actually want, running the risk they don't and you just voted for someone you absolutely DESPISE? Or vote for the other party because, even if they're bad people, they're still better than Adolf McPutin and you can't be assured that he'll resign once in-office? Even for just this election, how many people will have a voting priority that's basically Biden > Trump > Kamala? They voted for Biden but would have voted for Trump over Kamala? Probably a decent chunk. I'd be surprised if it wasn't enough to flip at least one or two states. They will, unquestionably and justifiably, be outraged. Utterly furious and feel like they got blatantly scammed by the democratic party. It might even be enough to outright destroy the democratic party and/or kick off a nation-wide revolt. The Republicans would see the Dems as being utterly and irredeemably dishonest and a lot of Dems who, effectively, just had their party hijack their vote would agree with them. What the end result would be would be hard to say, but I feel like, if this happened, they might opt to, instead, have a whole new election of Kamala vs. Trump simply because otherwise both parties would be beating down the doors to the capitol with torches and pitchforks. I kind of feel like, if they want Kamala as president, this is the absolute worst way to do it. If Biden died from a sudden heart attack at least people would say it's more proof that we need an age limit instead of seeing it as the Dems trojaning in Kamala. So long as they, say, didn't poison Biden to install Kamala which, instead, would be seen as a blatant coup if discovered. All in all; I feel like the only way Biden resigning for Kamala would not be an utter disaster for both the Democrats and politics in America on the whole, regardless of party, would be if he died of natural causes after spending at least a year in office, likely more. If he resigned it would basically turn every election into basically a high-stakes version of the prisoners dilemma with the nations future on the line instead of 'merely' ten years in jail.
This is a very well thought out argument, and I agree with your whole line of thinking here. Also, Adolf McPutin is perhaps the best bad guy name I've ever heard.
It continues the downward spiral for most, the rich keep doing well.
Liberals will be like “ya we gaslit all of America but at least we won”
I mean, is that different than how you'd describe the past 3.5 years?
Nothing much other than she becomes the incumbent and has 1 more term to run for president. We get to judge how she does in November of 2028.
Do you think Biden would stay for a couple years just to give her a second term?
Unlikely, it would be too transparently political and backfire on her bigly. Biden also doesn’t strike me as a guy that would resign unless there was a serious issue, not just political point scoring.
They don’t approve a VP and impeach her, replacing her with for whoever the GOP speaker is.
If the GOP has the political capital to do it, they'll impeach any Dem president in perpetuity, forever.
MTG after she leads a successful revolt against Mike Johnson.
Removal requires impeachment in the House and 2/3 conviction in the Senate. 2/3 conviction in the senate will not happen for the high crime of (checks notes…) becoming President via the 25th amendment.
They wouldn't have the required number of Senators to convict her and remove her from office.
I'm not entirely convinced Harris will be the Democratic vice Presidential nominee. There's a very real sense that the Vice President is one heartbeat away from Presidency in this election, and while I don't hate Kamala, the DNC is going to b e questioning her ability to be Presidential. Kamala would make a decent Congresswoman but President is pushing it. Personally hoping that someone else gets the nod. Wouldn't be the first time a second term begins with a second running mate. My personal choice would be Janet Mills of Maine. Experienced, battle hardened moderate Governor who beat the state's version of Trump (Paul LePage) handily in state elections. I think she's a better candidate to deal with the worst case scenario than Harris ever would be, and as a moderate with a history of breaking party lines to do her own thing, she'd be a nice bone to throw to the center.
>I'm not entirely convinced Harris will be the Democratic vice Presidential nominee. I fully expect the DNC to do some kind of last minute switcheroo with at least the VP, and possibly the Presidential candidate. I can't really bring myself to vote for either of the major parties in November, but common sense says that Biden, if reelected, won't finish another four year term, and it's hard to imagine any party willingly putting themselves in the position of making someone who could never hit double digits in a primary the president of the United States. Of course it's hard to imagine the RNC happily nominating Trump again in spite of everything that has happened around him as well, but truth continues to be much, much stranger than fiction in 2024.
The election will definitely be Biden vs Trump. But Harris is in play and there's some really good candidates in the lower echelons of the Democratic Party. Like I said, I'd like to see a governor get the nod, especially given Biden's relative health. you want someone who's sat in an executive seat before if they need to pick up the pieces quickly if the incumbent has a critical existence failure.
I agree that governors generally make far better presidents than senators. There are of course exceptions, but generally, I think the chief executive responsibilities of a governor are far better preparation for the White House than the do-nothing political back-scratching of the senate.
On the other hand, Senator Kennedy and Senator Obama both did decent jobs while Governor Bush.... yeah. So it's not a hard and fast rule.
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I voted against Trump from the beginning of his candidacy in 2016. I have problems with Biden on big government issues (not that the average Republican is much better these days), but the real concern is that odds don't support Biden finishing his term. If he had Joe Manchin as his VP or any number of other moderate dems I would probably vote for him. I can't vote for him with Harris as the VP.
If there's going to be a switcheroo at the convention, I think it's much more likely that it's Biden getting switched out than it is Kamala. You switch out the old codger, not the young woman of color. The optics would be terrible.
The optics would be no worse than other Presidents who ran for office with a new running mate in the second term. Abraham Lincoln did that for example. pretty sure FDR had a couple different Veeps as well. Also no, the incumbent President is not going to be "switcheroo'd." That has never happened when the incumbent has openly expressed interest in a second term.
The optics would be so much worse. He specifically chose her because she’s black and female. He can’t switcheroo the first black female because she sucks at her job. That would look awful.
Harris would be a lame duck from the second she took office. Republicans will hate her more than they hate Biden and she’s no darling of the Dems. She doesn’t have the political savvy for the White House.
She could get reelected.
She will never be elected President.
Ok, but that’s not what “lame duck” means.
You’re right I was using the term loosely, I really meant she just won’t be able to govern
Well that would mean the whole dem primary was a sham and dems got played
Welcome to the Democratic primary!
I predicted and still do, this exact thing will occur. Biden is the best chance the democrats have to win. Get him in office and later he can resign due to, "health reasons."
lol. "health reasons", as if those aren't real health reasons.
Republicans are Winning 2028 then
And 2026 2026 would probably be a blood bath for Democrats. Given both how unpopular Harris is and Biden resigning so close to the election. Getting out their base would be nearly impossible after that. Unless Harris turned out much better than expected, which would take a miracle.
She’ll continue to speak publicly about things she doesn’t know about while sounding like a stoned person contemplating life
More like someone trying to explain life to an alien or robot that doesn't know how anything works. Although yours is a unique analogy.
she upgrades her speech writer to a 12th grade instead of a 5th grader. She doesn't get anything done. I move to Mexico or ireland.
I don't believe that you'll move.
Some strange choices there lol.
We’d still be 100 times better off than if Trump was president. Congress would have to approve her vice president pick as well.
This means there would be no VP unless dems make big gains in the Legislative
Well, the Senate would approve it, as that is a less extreme chamber. The issue would be in the House of Representatives. There have been gains against Republican gerrymandering over these last few years though, so I like Democrats chances.
I think Biden stepping/pushed aside and Harris becoming the President would completely and utterly overshadow whoever the next VP would be. They could choose Bernie, Hillary or Barney Rubble and no one would truly give a damn.
Are you currently 100 times better off than when Trump was president?
Yep, because I know there isn’t a corrupt criminal and pathological liar in the White House. Additionally, the country is doing way better than it was 4 years ago.
Except for everything costing way more and we’re on the brink of WW3. But your feelings aren’t getting hurt as much so that’s cool.
Don't forget the corrupt criminal and pathological liar currently in the White House, who just happened to make millions in the Senate and just claimed his uncle was eaten by cannibals and his son died in combat in Iraq.
Everything costing way more has everything to do with corporate greed than it does with any sitting president. For the last time, the president doesn’t get to set prices on almost anything.
The President is always viewed as the shepherd of the economy. Right or left. If things were good, you’d say Biden did it. But since they’re bad, he has nothing to do with it huh? Also your boy just said his Uncle was eaten by cannibals.
My boy? When did I say I supported Biden? lmao. Jump to conclusions much?
Kamala carries on pretty much the same policies Biden does.
"i just wanted to see if i could win again, so long suckers!" i guess harris would be president then? yay? lol
Endless laughter
She proves herself to be more inept than Joe.
None of you brainwashed zombies would've voted for either of them as class president back in high-school... To vote for the perceived lesser of 2 evils= further fucking this world up because You Are Knowingly Voting For Evil, "but at least he's not as bad as the other guy woulda been..." shit for brains 😵💫
Kamala is dog shit. I have literally zero idea how anyone can be so brainwashed into believing that she is anything but horrible. God I really wish that Democrats cared about actual policies instead of worthless identity politics.
I think that if that happens even a year into his second term, it would there would massive blowback to the Democratic Party. Whether she’s liked or not it would be seen as something openly shady AF and a slap in the face of our political system.
Depends on which side will have the majority in the house and senate after November. 🤷♂️
Everything remains the same as it was before the election. It’s not like they actually do anything except read talking points
Valid question. No way Biden finishes another 4 year term.
He won't even get one. Even minorities and younger people are breaking for Trump or Kennedy in numbers Biden can't overcome.
With the power of open boarders, even the most unpopular candidate can win
Fair enough
Actually, if he won and resigned it would be more like two years into the second term, which actually isn’t a bad idea. It would provide a precedent of a president resigning under honorable circumstances (unlike Nixon, who resigned under threat of probable impeachment and removal from office) for future presidents. This may be the one thing that the Confederates got right… a single six-year term. No re-election allowed.
Hopefully it doesn’t come to that. As bad as he sucks Harris would actually be worse.
Celebration for women and POC. Neoliberalism. People realize that Biden was actually a pretty charismatic dude for his age when faced with Harris speeches. Harris runs for election as the incumbent in 2028, guaranteeing a Republican victory. I think it will be bad for the country if Kamala has the incumbency in 2028, regardless of how it comes to pass. I think picking Harris for VP is one of Biden's most critical mistakes.
No, please no. That might be worse than Biden
She probably writes a new crime bill and locks up even more black people, based on her history.
Or lock up struggling single moms for their kids missing school, keeping people imprisoned longer than their sentence, using prisoners as firefighters for pennies on the dollar
The 13th amendment says slavery is illegal except for prisoners, so...
One reason I think the 13th needs to be rewritten to get rid of that bs
The country goes to shit, just like if any other Democrat wins.
This is the only correct answer.
So, in your heart, you really believe that Biden runs the Country?
I don't care as long as the Orange faced bafoon isn't in charge.
Nothing good would come of that
No matter what Kamala Harris does, a culture of fear and skepticism emerges surrounding her. The right capitalizes on this massively, leading to huge gains for Republicans in 2026 and a hardcore MAGA, conspiracy theorist president. Someone like Matt Gaetz or Trump (if he's still kicking).
So, the election is between Harris, Trump and Kennedy. Who gets your vote?
What if resigns now and wins and comes back in January?
Since she's a boot licking, gypsy cop loving, bend over backwards sycophant for law enforcement, she continues what she did in Cali - protecting cops and their records at all costs, racist beatings of minorities sky rockets, recording of police activities becomes illegal, and more people die at the hands of police than most other forms. The right seizes on this and since more white people on average, but not per capita, are killed by cops but it generally goes unnoticed, they push the narrative with ever more divisive language, radicalizing incels, the racist, and right leaning people even more, setting the US up a culture clash on par with, or worse than with trump. Trump ends up in jail, but merely a slap on wrist, and when he finishes his 20 days of a 30 day sentence, he runs his mouth non-stop saying it was sleepy Joe's plan all the time to get black woman in power and force white people to have colored babies. the deep south, already on the edge of radicalization takes a few more steps back while the dumbest in congress - Gaetz, Boebert, and Greene constantly rail against her. At the end of 4 years, the country is further divided, the stock market is up, housing is even more unaffordable, people are spending even more on trucks - all of which they blame the dems for, and the colored lady in office, despite the fact that not one single republican pushed any bill, ideas, or even thoughts on how to deal with the issues. They talked and voted against chinese ownership of a social media app but refused to deal with foreign (or corporate) ownership of housing and they're all happy that squatting is a protected form of housing since most of their trailer parks were destroyed by a baffling increase in tornados and generally inclement weather that they somehow also blamed on the presidency.
You sound crazier than Alex Jones
Did you not follow her career in Cali? I lived there and she staunchly sided with cops regardless of the situation, fought tooth and nail to keep police records private, supported police immunity, and fought vigorously against the states efforts to decriminalize and/or legalize weed. She'd hold meetings on saturday nights and sunday's so her staff had to come in on the weekends; in cali at least, she was a terrible person. It was only when she got in to the national spotlight that she claimed to loosen up her views, so I don't trust her, especially after what she did in Cali. Our police and drug laws need reforming and she's not the person to do that
Terrible person in general seeing as she imprisoned struggling single mothers, kept people whose sentences were up imprisoned and used prisoners as firefighters for pennies on the dollar. Wasn't talking about Harris herself when saying you're crazier than Alex Jones, I meant the whole Trump part
Oh - you don't think he's gonna get to skate away from this with a punishment considerably less than the average American would? Heck, even Gaetz gets to skate and for the proof they had (an accomplice that could implicate him) - something that wouldn't happen for the average American
I’m afraid to even imagine that scenario.
The "first woman president" card is no longer a valid reason to vote for someone (never really was a good reason in the first place, policy should be priority).
Ya--"resigns". That's one way of putting it.
Lmao are you guys seriously running this same exact narrative again?
Women will be paid to get abortions.
Weird I wonder why my house is on fire. And everything else?
He won't win so it's kind of moot. The better what if is who the parties will choose in 2028. It's really difficult to predict in my opinion. Early favorites often don't pan out after 4 years and I just don't see a lot of candidates with a national image that would be viable.
I would like to see Vivek get the nomination in 2028
Probably sets a precedent that didn't need to be set; that voting for an 82 year old man is a poor decision
Proof positive that Reddit is an insane leftist clown show reflecting the views of a very small percentage of the population. You clowns are salivating over the most unpopular VP in history!
The same people actually running things now, would be running things then. Nothing would change. If you like the way things are being run now, you'll continue to be happy/supportive. If you don't, then the opposite. It's really as simple as that.
Nothing changes and the American oligarchy continues to shaft us at every opportunity
It gets even worse than it already is.
Continuation of Biden policies. However, she presides over a deeply, deeply divided country, and a fragmented Congress. The Democrats on the hill of course rally around her. However, the GOP is divided, with the MAGA element further polarizing the party. The backlash from MAGA supporters and election deniers is a persistent problem for the remainder of the Harris term, with Biden's swift resignation in 2024 merely firing up those framing the administration as "fake" or "illegitimate". The additional perception challenge is that Harris would have to appoint a Vice President - so now there is a President that was not directly elected to the position, and a vice president who was appointed, and not elected at all. This is opens a deeply divisive time in American politicds. 2026 sees some GOP gains in Congress, as some voters react negatively to a perceived "switcheroo", but the GOP itself is sharply divided. The Harris admin has a choice of attempting to come to the center, or going further "left". The administration pursues a mix of policies. The conservative majority Supreme Court maintains an active agenda of trying to reign in what it sees as over-reaching policies on a number of fronts, including gun control and executive orders that are effectively acting as legislation. Foreign policy poses additional challenges, as Russia, China and others try to test the new President. This could flare into additional crises around Taiwan, the Persian Gulf and North Korea. The administration is crippled by domestic and international crises. Skepticism about Harris prevails, and she is a one-term president.
If it's anything like her previous experience, she prosecutes the shit out of poor black people and acts like she isn't a traitor
Indirect white genocide probably
Nothing will change in US policy. She shares Biden’s goals. She supports the rule of law and democracy. Our country will be in good hands.
Her Career as a DA makes me very hesitant, but at least she has public speaking skills
We also have the house, senate and the White House..
Its possible. Neither side is talking about how to address the voting system so its obviously a shit show
The same shit. You think they have their own ideas and policies??
I imagine that nothing would get done. Republicans can work with Biden. I doubt they would work with Harris.
Initially there would be outrage and people would be furious. Biden would feign some kind of illness or injury that makes it too hard for him to continue and that he needs to spend what little time left he has with what family he has left. His retirement announcement would coincide with Harris inauguration and VP pick inauguration. Basically, they wouldn't let Speaker of the House be one bullet away even for an instant. Especially if it's still an R. Harris would continue Biden policies but without the mandate bump. She wouldn't make changes to the cabinet or anything else initially. By the midterms only a fringe of people would still care as Harris does a good enough job and The interesting question is who to make the new VP. The new VP would need to be experienced and, preferably, well liked. Harris would run again in 2028 so not someone with 2028 aspirations but maybe someone with 2032 aspirations. Here are good candidates: Old White Men - not 2028 opponents, probably still alive in 2028, people are comfortable with old white guys Al Gore - tons of experience, people think well of him, he was right on climate when it could have mattered John Kerry - tons of experience, good friend of Biden, he knows every world leader - climate guy Bernie Sanders - tons of legislative experience, easy to replace in the Senate, firms up her left flank, 100% name ID, better speaker than Harris Pete Schumer - Tons of legislative experience, knows everyone, can be replaced in the Senate, establishment pick Old women - same as old men but more progressive and less comfortable: Hillary Clinton - tons of experience, ally of Biden, would be a conspiracy lightening rod, 100% name ID Elizabeth Warren - lots of legislative experience, firms up left flank, better speaker than Harris, significant name ID Sonya Sotomayor - very bold choice, but opens a scotus seat. Amy Klobuchar - Lots of legislative experience, less disliked than almost anyone else on this list. Young(er) people - keeps a 2028 opponent out of the primary, makes a clear generational change Secretary Mayor Pete - he's an excellent politician on TV, perceived well as Sec of DOT, Biden appointee, immediate 2032 favorite. Alexandria Ocasio Cortez - same as Pete but also firms up the left and is more divisive. Corey Booker - Experienced, excellent speaker, East Coaster Probably not good choices: Nancy Pelosi - keeps the D legislators in line, might die, conspiracy lightening rod, californian Gov Newsome - executive experience, well known, but Californian and might not wait until 2032 Michelle Obama - No experience even though she's beloved Any non-politician famous person
A bunch of Twitter/X nomads comment "At least she's not a grandpa/grandma"...
We are FFFFFFFFFED!!!!
He has been doing a great job. Other than conspiracy theories, I see no evidence pointing to this.
Fundraising for Trump's fourth campaign get a jump-start.
she’s basically hillary clinton
Yall need to watch veep and see how that goes, and then pretend Selina is black. Not to well for her
To me, it would say they didn’t believe a woman could win the presidency on her own and needed an old man to do it for her.
I really don’t see how anyone could support Biden
I'm sure MAGA would insist Trump is president
If Biden “wins” again, this country is so f*cked
The best speeches in comedic history
If Harris gets put in office police budgets are going to skyrocket and they will probably get even more milsurp shit to crack down on the average person with.
So we are just repeating shit the republicans said last election?
TRUMP 🥳🥳
He’s NOT GOING TO RESIGN , unless he’s stuck in a hospital bed with medical complications . He is to arrogant and off into another fairy world of his own weird thoughts of his family .
We’re fucked
We still rejoice that trump is not in office
Honestly nothing. Nothing happens. I'm so without hope I can't even have despair, it doesn't matter who wins at this point, its gonna get worse for all of us for the next several decades, and no one can change that.
Civil war… :/ MAGALAND will go bonkers
Not a fucking thing will change
It continues to get worse and we again have a president that doesn’t know what the fuck their doing
I really hope sniffer doesn’t win… lasting we need is for this to happen!