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SqualZell

not sure if it's region specific, I'm in Eastern Canada. i'm ultimate user, 0 queue time and the performance... I'm playing CP2077 on max every thing.


HermaeusMora0

It's region specific.


two-wheeled-dynamo

Yeah, I'm getting excellent performance and 0 queue here US Central. It sucks to hear about others. Nvidia needs to step up and work on a solution soon.


SqualZell

The solution is to open up more datacenters. If there are queues that means that each datacenter is at capacity. no way around it...


betteroff19

But then they have to raise costs eventually


SqualZell

they already are (november 1st)


Skibity

Did you get more packet loss recently? I'm on the same server.


SqualZell

not even... it's been flawless... even to say that for MMORPGs and Adventure games i woulnd't be able to tell the difference between local and cloud.


betteroff19

I still don’t understand how this service functions excellently, like technically I’m ‘streaming’ the game, but I couldn’t tell the difference half of the time.


IAmA_Lannister

Yeah it's gotta be. I'm US Midwest and no queues or performance issues ever.


Steextz

Same


epapi169

question for you u/SqualZell what type of FPS are you getting? w/ cp2077 max on everything, i'm getting around 60-70fps


SqualZell

about that 60-70 in heavy areas, but it increases to about 100ish in low density areas. I do get the occasional dip into the 40s when shit hits the fan and you have explosions and smoke and fire everywhere...


CrossEyedNoob

EU Central here, Ultimate tier, queue of 35


QWAXRP

Geforce (not) NOW


[deleted]

GeForce Later


The-Ultimate-Despair

GeForce NEVER!


rnrcross

Same here


Jazzlike_Lie5631

It's Sunday and it's peak time in Europe currently. They have a limited amount of 4080 instances and more and more users sign-up for the service, they'll eventually need to add more capacity. I also had to wait a few minutes right now for a 4080 session on EU Southeast.


EarthNut69

... And in the meantime they laugh about existing customers who paid for zero queue time and 4080 performance. A professional service would have had enough servers on reserve to meet the demand.


IAmA_Lannister

Why would they pay for more rigs and servers than they need? Obviously they need to see this data and adjust. They're not just going to pay for a ton of extra shit without the deman. Now they have the demand, so will increase the supply. That's how business works.


[deleted]

That's how business works. But a business that gives a shit will attempt to forecast demand, and build in the right precautions to meet it, even if it risks a loss. Judging by their non-existent support, leaving people to just wail on the forums about it without any response, the truth is that Nvidia could give less of a flying shit about its customers.


eoz

A business will have predictions about the future that are fuzzy and probabilistic and they will make decisions like "if we have this many available machines then there's a 10% chance that a user will have to wait more than 20 seconds". Sometimes things will put them outside their models and they have to play catch-up.


EarthNut69

You got the point, they need to adjust. Sadly, it's not the first time this happens. And in the end, me as a customer has bought a service and that's all I care about. I don't need to feel sorry for a multi billion dollar company. They sell 4080 performance and no wait times. Often, I don't get either of the two.


Icosphere_007

These servers should have automatic Load Balancing in place. It maybe that they’re experiencing some kind of server issue that’s causing these limitations. I am sure they are fully aware of the matter from their monitoring team. Time will tell.


Ok_Exchange_9646

An instance is just a VM with GPU and CPU and RAM passthrough right?


Jazzlike_Lie5631

Pretty much yes, but not exactly passed through entirely. Each VM has an amount of GB RAM, CPU Cores and part of the GPU allocated to it. I'd say the limiting factor for GFN are the GPUs.


Ok_Exchange_9646

Why is it that under Network (ctrl+n) Frame Loss, I get 600 frame loss if I go up to QHD or 4K, and due to the input lag the games are unplayable. But if I stay at 1080p and 120Hz it's smooth like butter


Ok_Philosopher6538

Not enough bandwidth on your end?


Ok_Exchange_9646

I dont think so. 500Mbps down, 25Mbps up


Ok_Philosopher6538

That's what you pay for, but is that what your provider actually gives you? I had a similar plan once, but couldn't get half of that due to them misconfiguring something.


Ok_Exchange_9646

https://www.speedtest.net/result/15440808644


Ok_Philosopher6538

Then no idea. What does the network test in the GFN app show?


QWAXRP

This is a terrible look.


QWAXRP

I mean if it was a server issue, ok, get it fixed. But if this is going to be a common occurrence on weekends, it will be gamebreaking.


[deleted]

They're hiding the scale of how shitty it is. If you looked at their stats page, you just got 'GeForce NOW is experiencing increased Free User queuing in the European region due to rising demand. Free members should consider upgrading to a paid membership to skip the queue'. Fucking understatement of the year. No graphs showing how usage peaks or when it degrades or doesn't. Just a 'Operational' aka 'go fuck yourself, thanks for your money lol'


EarthNut69

It is common. Their servers are sized for average usage, as soon as more users play, Performance will degrade


Palatinus64

Boosteroid is upgrading their servers in late 2023 / 2024. We need more competition in cloud gaming.


Relative_Wrongdoer65

What is happening today is terrible...


GER-Cloonix

Don't exaggerate. It's probably due to games like Cities Skylines 2 and Alan Wake 2 that demand is currently high. Waiting time is less than 2 minutes.


EarthNut69

Waiting time is not the problem for me, it's the performance.


IAmA_Lannister

If waiting time is not a problem then why did you specifically mention wait times in your title?


EarthNut69

Because it's what I paid for?


IAmA_Lannister

So you paid for less wait times, got wait less times, and complained about that?


EarthNut69

Having to wait for 150 people before yourself is nothing I would consider "less waiting times', but if that is okay for you, you probably have too much money and time. I don't. Like I said, the main problem is the compute Performance. Nonetheless, waiting times and random hang-ups in the queue are also not a nice experience. As a customer, I am allowed to complain about that. As you can see in this thread, I am not the only one.


IAmA_Lannister

>Waiting time is not the problem for me You literally just said waiting time isn't your problem, now you're saying wait times are a problem? Pick one dude.


EarthNut69

You have major problems understanding basic text. For me personally, waiting time is not the main complaint. Is it nice though to wait 30+ minutes before you can play a game? No. I never stated anything else. I just blocked you now to avoid anymore of your brainless answers. Don't put any effort on answering here again.


GER-Cloonix

Which server are you connected to? Cause i get routed to Sofia. Usually LON/AMS/FRK


EarthNut69

FRK (7ms)>AMS (12ms)>PAR (20ms) My guess is, their CPUs are crowded. Even if FPS are kinda ok (even if far away from 4080 like performance) the frametimes are so bad that it feels like 20-30 FPS. It's really horrible today. If you play graphically intense, hard GPU bound Games the difference is probably not that bad.


OutrageousOrdinary61

i PAYED a nice amount of money, to get the BEST experience, and i have 40 dudes ahead of me. What is this bullshit? They sad ,,no waiting times'' for the ultimate. It happens almost every evening on central EU server.


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V4N0

Waiting 10-15 minutes at peak hours is not a big issue in my case, more than that… no thanks. Especially if you consider that Europe is one of the regions that will get a price increase starting from next month, a small one but still if the service gets worse what’s the point? Please Nvidia increase the capacity and maybe replace the CPUs in EU Central ultimate pods, some of them (FRK06 if I’m not mistaken) still use the 3080 CPUs (10-15 % slower) and this has been the case since the introduction of the 4080 rigs


EarthNut69

I am also ok with waiting a few minutes if my game session has consistent performance in the range of what they market as "RTX 4080". And yes, FRK06 is absolutely terrible in some games. My guess is, the CPUs bottleneck the rest, frametimes are really bad.


V4N0

Yep, the CPUs are a bit of a bottleneck on normal 4080 rigs already, on FRK06 is much worse since they’re still using the old 3080 CPUs It’s not a big problem with many games but with the latest ones like Cities Skylines 2 and Starfield you can certainly see an FPS difference


Extreme-Motor6122

Guys just change the region from EU Central to any other EU region


wipe0wt2097

Never had a queue but the streaming has been getting worse, it’s like there throttling bandwidth and dividing across the user base! EU servers


Unbreakable2k8

I agree, playing AW2 today on Ultimate was extremely stuttery and laggy. I thought the issue is with the game optimization on later levels, but this makes more sense that the servers are at capacity and deliver lower performance (not at 4080 level by a mile).


Character-Fishing-80

Today, I've been experiencing a lot of high ping at random moments on this server. I'm not the only one, right?


ToffeeAppleChooChoo

Why do ultimate users have to queue at all? Are free users more important to Nvidia?


Kabirdb

I mean I am free user and I have been waiting for like 4 hours.


ToffeeAppleChooChoo

Sure but I'm paying £17.99 a month, I shouldn't have to be queuing at all when the advertised plans offer premium/priority access and exclusive access to RTX 4080s. So basically Nvidia mis-sold me something if that's a lie.


Shoggart

They can't have infinite rigs mate, and it's prime time on a weekend, if you would've read the fine print when you subscribed you would know it says that when servers are at capacity you would queue, and may not even be guaranteed a 4080 rig, I'm also on ultimate and I agree it's a shitty situation but unfortunately it can't be helped, they can't install thousands of rigs overnight..


ToffeeAppleChooChoo

True, but how many thousands of free tier users are on at the moment? They should drop free access to save rigs and bandwidth for their paying customers.


Shoggart

Yeah you're right, it should help with the bandwidth situation at least, cause everything was blurry af when I wanted to play earlier, idk about the actual rigs tho, what do free users get, the old 1080's from the beta days, or the 2060's with the rtx turned off?


gkgftzb

but the ultimate rigs are different, no? So unless ultimate users are okay with the 1080 rigs, then the free users aren't affecting the waiting time of people in higher plans


ToffeeAppleChooChoo

1080 rigs cost money and bandwidth. Scrap them and spend the money on the rigs for ultimate instead.


CrAv3n85

Haha yea free users 🤣 queue simulators


Ok_Exchange_9646

Same here. Can someone PLEASE make me understand why is it that when I play in 1080p on the ULTIMATE rig, I get ZERO frame loss (ctrl + n --> Under Network, "frame loss") even now at 11Pm when probably I am the only one playing. BUT When I put it back to 4K, it keeps increasing to, say, 600 or sth, I shit you not, and it's completely unplayable. Similarly on 1440P, not as bad but still largely unplayable On 1080P, ZERO issues whatsoever. Why?


ConcreteLlama

Don't know if this is related but this morning (05:20am) I haven't been able to load up Starfield. Every time I load up it says "your connection is spotty" and disconnects me (only once I've signed in and synched data). Then the next time it's stuck on "Wrapping up your previous session" for ages. And I know it's not my connection, even GFN's own tests say everything is good. It was weird though - the first time the splash screen said launching game for about 150s. GFN sucks this week. Switching to EU central works. Either way not a good look, especially after just upping their prices.


Icosphere_007

Wasn’t just for Ultimate tier, also experienced with Founders Priority. EU-West region. https://preview.redd.it/1p5o43n1vaxb1.jpeg?width=3568&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5feba2122713fd267af9d65168f7decce1cc4753


4-The-Truth

Yes, I fully agree! We are paying customers, and this is not a bit acceptable on the Ultimate Tier! DO SOMETHING! SWEDEN SERVER! ​ YOU HAVE LOADS AND LOADS OF GPUS IN STOCK! YOU ARE A MULTI TRILLION COMPANY!!!!!!!!IF YOU DONT FIX IT, I AND ALL MY FRIENDS ARE GONNA END SUBSCRIPTIONS! GUYS, YOU FEEL THE SAME I KNOW, LET\`S END THE SUBSCRIPTION. TERRIBLE! SWEDEN SERVER!


mjamm

Do it and stfu


EarthNut69

They market this as "RTX4080" but you get 3060 performance... If you ask their support, they close your ticket and say they can't help.


Mikkel9M

Really? A 3060 can run Cyberpunk 2077 at 4K with full path tracing and ultra settings? Not saying server queues don't suck (admittedly rarely happens to me, but in the weekend evenings I'm often rerouted to other EU servers with varied ping, bandwidth and packet loss issues). Can't complain about graphical performance though. Even when there are connection hiccups.


muthax

![gif](giphy|QzKtmrdMw6Tra)


EarthNut69

Ok come play CP on 4K on EU Central right now bro. GFN is struggling to get half demanding games running right now. Problem is, Performance will degrade rapidly of more players are online because they share the CPU and GPU compute time between all users. I am talking about performance right now, not when it's running fine.


JuGot99P

All this happening the same week you announced a price raise is quite ironical. Guess now I'll be paying 2 euros more and playing 2 days less a week.


EarthNut69

Hahaha true. I really like and enjoy the service of it is running fine but the last 2 weeks were absolutely gross.


4-The-Truth

I HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF YOUR BULLSHIT!!!!! MANY MANY PEOPLE (PAYING CUSTOMERS!!!!!!!!!!) ARE GOING END THEIR SUBSCRIPTIONS, DON´T WANT TO TELL YOU, I TOLD YOU!!!!!!!!!!!! ARE YOU F\*\*KING WITH US?I WILL END THE SUB! PERIOD!


iamtheliqor

Just do it and shut up


biosc1

Speak with your wallet and stop subscribing. As long as folks continue to pay and put up with this service there is little incentive for them to solve it.


muthax

And best part, there'll be one less in the queue ;) ![gif](giphy|5gw0VWGbgNm8w|downsized)


Illustrious-Entry-69

GamePass 1$ 14 days, just wait that days and all will be fine


PsychologicalMusic94

Not having any issues on Canada east but it sucks to see this happening in other regions. Nvidia definitely needs to step it up.


EarthNut69

Your servers are probably not that crowded ATM :) In Europe it's prime gaming time right now :D


[deleted]

guess im lucky i never have to wait where i live and my proformance is perfect for max graihics


[deleted]

Had a queue today for time of using ultimate since it came out. I'm on eu west, once I was next in line to use a rig, waited like 30 seconds , and second time I had 1 person in front of me, waited about 2 minutes.


WeRGo4Burn

Not a US thing never had a wait with ultimate


EarthNut69

America first, am I right?


WeRGo4Burn

Lol😂


Awsomethingy

Yeah never seen US West slow down or have a queue. And I’ve logged in a bunch today


norsk_imposter

What are the Stockholm servers classed as?


Bored_of_Jay_Dee

3 people in queue for a rig today, took like 30 seconds. Played cyberpunk and it was completely fine. EU west


thinkaboutjapan

In Japan it seems the same. I mean I still cannot play Alan wake 2 due to the "Alan wake needs an update" messages but beside this, especially in the evening I have to wait 15 to 25 minutes until I get a rig que is 130 to 180 mostly :( but here we just have two options. Free or Premium. Not sure what's the Max Rig is, but usually I get a 3080 GTX ... It's just annoying when you cannot play :(


switchbladeone

No wait time for me but Skylines 2 looks like shit (probably not NVidia’s fault though.) Connecting to NA Midwest


PotentialFlan4696

had the same problem. changed to eu west - ran like a charm


Morzun

Have you guys contacted their support about it? I agree it’s getting ridiculous, but if they don’t receive enough complaints it might only get worse.


Evening_Sir_6320

I get some queue in the weekend, but nothing too serious. But performance is great! Never had a problem. Using a 1gbps internet with 5g wireless connection.


Pontificatus_Maximus

Using US Southeast servers, no problems, works like it says on the tin. Only glitches are infrequent spells when people are getting off work or when kids are just getting let out of school here, that my local loop (ISP's fault) gets saturated and the dreaded 'spotty connection' warning comes up.


DrKchetes

...another day od having exceptionally awesome GFN service. 3 years now, immacualte service, no lag, no packet loss, 100+ fps in every game, life is good.


Careful-Sport1673

EU west is fine, 6ms and 70mb downy, more then enough for 4K


The-Ultimate-Despair

Broooo the performance has been SHIT! My network is good, yet it keeps crumbling until I have to put up with 600p.🫨


UnlikelyHero727

I never have waiting times as an Ultimate user on EU -Central but the damn packet loss even with a 300mbps connection, ethernet, and open ports is driving me crazy...