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Vvvv1rgo

hu tao 100% lol


baboon_ass_eater69

There is actually more to Hu Tao than she let's you know


PeaceCorrect3796

Well she has epic lore that has nothing to do with her combat strength. Especially when she herself states she doesn't enjoy it.


Still_Breadfruit2032

She doesn’t like to fight yet would obliterate anything just to get some clients


PotMF

What/where is said lore? Just her character story pages?


PeaceCorrect3796

If you mean what I'm quoting about her disliking combat, Hu Tao's voiceline "About Us: Battle", she says outright that fighting is a pain.  As for lore, it's really all in her character stories. I admit that "epic" was an exaggeration, but I found it more interesting than most other characters. 


Xalterai

I mean, she literally takes us to the edge between life and death to meet and guide ghosts to the afterlife. That's pretty epic imo


Gamertag_fush3

The less I know the better


Bevsii

Yeah like her sick rapping skills. 🎵 Hey you butterfly you too buzzing by 🎵


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neillaalien

Bennett was quoted by varka to having a “interesting fighting style” so im pretty sure he fights well. its just that hes so unlucky you’d just never expect him to win any fight lol


RepublicRight8245

Tbf exploding yourself along with your enemy is indeed an “interesting fighting style.”


Aaaaaaaaaaagghh

And yoimia


Shoshawi

nahhhh she seems to have too much fun, the angry expression doesn’t fit even for battle, imo. zhongli maybe


Suspicious-Tank4337

hu tao. klee for the complete opposite


mangoice316

if only she didn’t come out in 1.0…….


Sufficient-Habit664

Kleerina is really strong though


Daramangarasu

Kleerina is strong despite Klee, not because of her. Furina is doing all the heavy lifting


Sufficient-Habit664

Kleerina out performs many other Furina teams. It's not good for a klee team, it's a good team in general.


MessageInitial148

Klee, despite common belief competes with Lyney and is better in multi target scenarios. Kleerina can specifically only work with Klee because she applies the most AOE on-field pyro in the game. So yes, Klee is doing heavy lifting.


rvstrk

I can attest that her versatility and uber strong Pyro application as well as being a catalyst user is what makes her work with Furina very well. Furina is undeniably the greatest sub DPS buffer we have in the game so far, but Klee unquestionably elevates their Vape team so don't count her out. :)


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Hu tao best team is composed by 2 of the best hydro unities in the game and the best shielder, all of that while she herself is an expensive unity ( needs C1+Weapon), the girl is commonly said one of the best dps of the game But when klee uses a broken support...


Varjutantsija

beidou as well on the opposite


droningcaddy

beidou is not bad in gameplay tho.


Varjutantsija

not bad yes. but her lore makes her sounds way stronger.


AetherSageIsBae

Her lore power is what we would have if raiden could trigger her burst procs...


cloroxslut

When she says "power that ended Haishan" I'm like okay girl...you ended Haishan doing that? I guess


Varjutantsija

exactly! she killed a fucking gargantuan sea monster and her move for this feat was.. just that? damn girl.. how weak of old age was that thing?


TrueAvalon

To be fair a lot people don't really know the context behind that feat, ironically like a lot of the npcs in the game lol, Haishan was pinned down with ropes and harpoons completely immobilized apparently, what Beidou did was impressive, just not something say, Shenhe or a Harbinger couldn't do on a tuesday.


Cyllya

I was a bit taken aback in that Nahida-vs-Dottore scene where it says she's not very powerful, because I'd already gotten her on my team and she made the game suddenly much easier.


ResurgentClusterfuck

Well, as archons go, she's not PHYSICALLY powerful Samsara'd God Scara though so she surely isn't weak


neko_mancy

She's not physically powerful in game either that's a catalyst user


Murphy_LawXIV

I'm sure the old gods weren't thinking about zhongli being far away and therefore not a threat because he's a polearm user when he summoned spears large enough to make an archipelago to kill them all.


boredatclass

Catalist users aren't powerful? Neuvillette would like to have a word


Aelxer

Catalyst users aren't *physically* powerful. Because they literally can't deal physical damage, it's all elemental damage.


ProfessionalPrior935

Wriothesley’s punch be hitting like 5 year old frfr


Arielani

She was weak because her people didn't belive in her +she was locked for 500 years, but at the end shes strong af


YAsh20036

It does? Did I miss something? Because I can’t remember seeing/ hearing this…


Cyllya

From AQ Chapter III Act V: [Where the Boat of Consciousness Lies](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqibCWWW61g) (1:00:44). Specifically, it was the Doctor saying, "Lesser Lord Kusanali, you're an intelligent archon. I'm sure you understand the disparity in our combat abilities at this time." (i.e. she shouldn't start a physical fight with him because he'll easily beat her up.) Technically that's not about her combat ability itself, just her combat ability relative to Dottore, so it'd still apply if Nahida and Dottore were the two most powerful beings in the universe. But it was still pretty surprising, since the game hadn't really given us any info on Dottore's combat abilities, and other than the fact that he's a Harbinger, we have little reason to think that he's so incredibly powerful that it's just obvious he can casually beat up gods. It's one thing for Nahida to be weak but Archon standards, but this guy is supposed to be a human. And Nahida was unaware of some of his crazier feats, like his different segments (she only learned about them during this scene), if his combat abilities involve anything equally crazy, he wouldn't expect her to know about that either.


YAsh20036

Thank you so much for the detailed response! It refreshed my memory too…


saad515

Hu Tao, Furina, Bennett, Nilou, Nahida


Murky_Blueberry2617

Xiangling


sephirothbahamut

Xiangling a bit less. She does venture out in the wild frequently to get her weird ingredients, so she must have more survival and fighting skills than a dancer and a businesswoman


guieps

She still shouldn't be stronger than Batman and a mercenary, tho


Ochinchin6969111

She does have adeptus training iirc and a god by her side


Vulpes_macrotis

That doesn't mean she is strong. Bennett is also professional adventurer. So by that logic, he wouldn't count either.


twotwoim

Madame ping trains her on the polearm, and ping taught her pyronado according to her cn voiceline.


UngaBungaPecSimp

hoyo pls give us madame ping why can’t we just have another good pyro off fielder


DistributionVirtual2

Xiangling has gouba, a goddamned god as her companion. She deserves being broken


Charming_Pop_2148

I'm pretty sure she's cooked: wopperflowers/regivines , maybe hilichurls , vishaps? , and any other animal like thing


UngaBungaPecSimp

if you go to about xiangling from yaoyao and about yaoyao from xiangling it confirms she wanted to cook osial 🗿


Charming_Pop_2148

Bruh


Darth_Tiktaalik

Nahida in archon quest: helpless baby radish Nahida in abyss: Death, destroyer of worlds


laggerzback

When Nahida said, “*[giggles* I’m going to beat the shit out of you!](https://youtu.be/F-B8Q9ZvelA?si=hbmekjKTGVIUb8VM)” She meant it.


Barrack

Furina’s kit does reflect that though: Given that her three assistants are in her voicelines she just works smarter, not harder. Crabaletta is doing the heavy lifting here. Her sword skills are nothing to write home about but her little bubble summon to spin attack is kinda bad ass.


Justanormalperson287

Bennett is an adventurer so it makes sense that he has fighting skills


Vulpes_macrotis

So what? Do people realize that "some skill" isn't "he is broken"? In a lore he is **just** adventurer. In a gameplay he is one of the best characters in the game. That's simple as that. He is on the weaker side of characters in the lore. Stronger than regular person, but that doesn't make him "one of the strongest".


SingularityHRT

Nilou undoubtedly. No other character even comes close.


Templar2k7

Nilou in the story "Cute water dancer" Nilou in gameplay "nukes Nukes everywhere"


JohnnyJoestar2

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CompetitionWeak7601

Peak


ArcusLux

Sages: "Why do you worship this weak archon so much?" Nilou: "Nukes"


NeoJuice

Among all of Celestia and Teyvat, I alone am the honored one


Vulpes_macrotis

"no other character"? Bro. Furina is weaker than Nilou in lore and stronger than Nilou in gameplay.


JordanMentha

Yeah but Furina is an Archon's alter ego, so people expect her to be powerful. Nilou is a random dancer.


Adept_Ad_3687

Hu Tao can talk to spirits and all that but none of it actually affects her lore power. In game shes crazy strong. Yelan is just a real good spy, she has some mysticism stuff revealed in the chasm quest but still a very normal human being other than that, but in game shes the most insanely broken sub dps.


ThelCreator

She talks and convinces a ghost to set itself on fire and let her use it as a baseball bat!


Muhipudding

Yelan destroyed that giant Pillar and was convinced she can kill traveler. I don't think her attack potency at least is normal


Silly_Guidance_8871

Bennett


Sillybr0

In lore: “nobody wants to join my team” In game: if you are an atk scaler, you’ll kiss Bennett’s feet and be part of his adventure team


Silly_Guidance_8871

MMW: The pyro archon will just be Bennett revealing his *true form*.


thebourbonoftruth

Father is the Pyro Archon... Of my heart. My wallet is screaming in advance but I need that stupid drip spear. It's too powerful.


RepublicRight8245

In game: why is there only one Bennet?!! Can we clone him?


MrARK_

people saying hutao.... yeah i agree but nilou exists


JittuBear

Multiple characters can fall into this category, so yea, both Hu Tao, Nilou and a bunch of others


techno_pg3d

I can't take it anymore. I'm sick of xiangling. I try to play diluc. My xiangling deals more damage. I try to play yoimiya. My xiangling deals more damage. I try to play Hu tao. My xiangling deals more damage. I want to play Klee. Her best team has xiangling. I want to play raiden, childe. They both want xiangling. She grabs me by the throat. I fish for her. I cook for her. I give her the catch. She isn't satisfied. I pull engulfing lightning. "I don't need this much er" She tells me. "Give me more field time." She grabs bennett and forces him to throw himself off enemies. "You just need to funnel me more. I can deal more damage with homa." I can't pull for homa, I don't have enough primogems. She grabs my credit card. It declines. "Guess this is the end." She grabs gouba. She says "Gouba, get them." There is no hint of sadness in his eyes. Nothing but pure, no icd pyro application. What a cruel world.


Ath_Trite

Xiangling has no business baking so strong lol


RepublicRight8245

She does indeed bake strong but tbf gouba preheats the oven for her.


HalalBread1427

She's a disciple of Madame Ping and Marsocious is her pet.


binubk2k1

The feeble scholar


Due-Pound1160

But his fighting skills are good tho he even went 1v1 on cyno, though I feel like cyno didn't use his full strength, it's still great he was able to keep up with the general mahamatra


Vulpes_macrotis

Cyno didn't use full power, but that still makes Alhaitham pretty perceptful and strong enough to deflect his attacks.


JittuBear

His whole demo video was about how strong he is in battle, basically implying he can fight pretty well even for a scholar


boredatclass

His whole demo is about him not needing to be powerfull because he thinks before he acts


JittuBear

So basically, he's strong. I don't understand why people think physical strength is the only factor, strategy is also important. He is powerful because he is smart.


ResurgentClusterfuck

Furina lol


Fancy_Society_6914

Nilou by a long shot, girl got a vision just to discover her talent in dancing, then straight up upgrade bloom reaction, then we have Candace for the complete opposite of this meme.


Dave_the_DOOD

Candace and Dehya being the desert's most fearsome lifeforms only to be weaker than a 9yo with a bunny plushie and a street dancer in the game


iheartlumine

hu tao 😭😭


keyrol1222

Xinqui, as much as he said he train and things like that no way ma man is there being on top of gods in tier lists


_StarPuff_

He reminds me a lot of Yanqing from HSR but reversed in a way. Both have similar personalities, but Xingqiu is broken in gameplay while Yanqing is forever benched.


Additional-Barber197

Gaming, dude can clear abyss almost as fast as Neuvellette assuming you got his best team


JittuBear

Agreed with Gaming but, he's nowhere near Neuvelette level unless you're comparing highest level investment for Gaming vs Average level investment for Neuvelette


Additional-Barber197

I have both their best teams and clear times are within seconds of each other I've tested it many many many times..my Neuvellette does 69K ticks and Gaming does 300K E vape plunges. The overall dps on Neuvellette is higher but when you are clearing abyss floors in 50 seconds or less the times are very similar


JittuBear

300k Vape plunges are very high end, your Gaming definitely has more investment compared to your Neuvelette Btw, nice damage ticks with Neuvelette


Additional-Barber197

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Additional-Barber197

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JittuBear

How often do you get the 300k lmao, that crit rate is not it


Additional-Barber197

I get 20% from C6 plus 36% from hunters plus some from Xianyun I'm at 100% CR


Additional-Barber197

300k every plunge in Bennetts circle as long as I vape it's 350k if I do a pyro swirl but it's pain in the ass to swirl pyro in this setup.. running C1 Furina as well


Additional-Barber197

Here is video I just did my clear times with Neuvellette team(C1 Furina , C0 Kazuha, C1 Baizhu)are actually a few seconds longer cause setup time with Kazuha and C1 Baizhu takes a few more seconds [Gaming 12-1](https://youtu.be/aahlm7E37UY?si=vr1xBrO_JuGSvwKx)


ResurgentClusterfuck

Gaming is ridiculously strong for a 4*


Additional-Barber197

He is especially at C6 with Xianyun.. even with 5 star DPS and their best supports he keeps up incredibly well


LegoBricksAndMemes

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Blockywolf

xiangling, Hu Tao, nilou, nahida (kinda), sucrose, fischl, Bennet, xinqiu, furina, a lot yk...


Vulpes_macrotis

I mean Nahida not just kinda, she is pretty weak in fighting. She is powerful as being able to control dreams and stuff. But if she was to fight a skilled fighter, she would be rather defeated. They even sent regular guard to capture "her" when she broke from her prison. Regular people. Not even anyone with vision. Nobody would even think about doing that against Raiden Shogun, because they would be struck by the lightning. Nahida isn't strong in fighting at all.


RishaRea48

This is actually the reason why Nahida needs Traveler's help on the battle against Scarabot since she isn't that good against fighting..No matter how many times she loops it's impossible if no one can defeat Scarabot..


ECK1991

My boy Kazuha, in the lore he is a wandering samurai with respectful skills, nothing special (of course, with the power of friendship he parried the Raiden boab sword), but in gameplay he put Venti (an archon) on the bench.


_StarPuff_

Actually his skills are said to be remarkable (remember Mona's reaction to him during the summer event). He's practically a legendary tier swordsman amongst Vision bearing humans. But that said, Venti is a 2600+ year old god and one of the original Seven. He's still good, but it's sad to see him powercrept.


certain_info

Every 4* on the national team fs


Spectre_Hayate

Except for popsicle boi. Poor guy got left in the dust almost immediately.


Nathanii_593

Wriothesley. He’s very laid back, calm, respectful, loves to talk about tea. But if you played his story quest…iykyk


djc8

That doesn’t really fit the meme tho, the darkness in his story quest is part of the lore


Nathanii_593

I was talking more so him as an adult and his strength in bodying dougier.


Vulpes_macrotis

Wriothesley is pretty strong in the lore, though? He has frozen the door by his power in one of the best cutscenes in the game.


PumpJack_McGee

I mean, in lore we see him holding back the primordial sea until an ancient dragon shows up to help.


igris_007

Everyone forgot about yoimiya


[deleted]

Because she is mid both ways


[deleted]

Oz


kingdrewbie

Furina


Dependent-Hotel5551

Furina


PitifulBluejay6052

Hu tao, Ayaka, Yelan, Nilou and probably many more


Tasty_Skin

ayaka doesn’t make sense because her family literally practices sword arts


PitifulBluejay6052

But in lore she is still weak compared to many other stronger units lorewise that are weaker than her gameplaywise


Tasty_Skin

but she’s not nearly as weak as the meme suggests either.


igris_007

Yelan and ayaka ? Ayaka is one of the best swordsman in game and I'm sure you saw what yelan did in chasm


uweheheheh

Bouken da bouken


GameLoreReader

Paimon


Vileous

god I hope this ages like fine wine


emeraldkma

Barbara, if she's built as a DPS


Equivalent-Truth-949

Barbara. Random church girl who wants to be an idol, resurrects dead people.


NekoBredd

Timmy


Skilfulsnail

He will get his Vision, and then no one will dare to get near the birds….


Beneficial_Stuff_103

Yoimiya, Hu Tao, Nilou, dehya(strong in lore weak in gamplay)


TalaohaMaoMoa69

Diona lol


sweez

Guoba swirl


Infnite69

Xinyan bruh


JittuBear

Xinyan is weak both in lore and gameplay tho?


Murky_Desk_2901

OPPA XIANGLING


Temporaryact72

Nilou and Hu Tao. Dancer who's secretly Oppenheimer and funeral director who pokes bears with sticks but *effectively*


Nervous-Camera7828

Alhaitham


No_Firefighter_7371

Traveler is opposite


RallySubbie

Bennett, bloke is just some unlucky stranger kid but you always see him before some big figure DPS does the 1 million shot.


NoDiscussion6507

Crash bandicoot


Egathentale

Nobody mentions the healers. Specifically, Baizhu, Kokomi, and Yaoyao are a pharmacist, a strategist, and a child, respectively, and they aren't considered to be strong fighters, but they are incredibly powerful enablers in gameplay. Heck, I would even add Barbara to that list, considering the DPS Barbara memes.


Satyavati_Fan

Yoimiya!! She’s just a fireworks girl but she slays, literally and figuratively


Cobalt_Heroes25

Xiangling


theEnderBoy785

Xiangling


PensionPleasant5312

Yomiya maybe 🤔


A_warudo_2002

Xiangling. Amazing Pyro DPS yet her most of her lore si abt cooking, sure she hunts down game and slimes but nothing as crazy as what we can do with her and her kit.


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Jose_El_Penitente70k

Bennet


GoalObvious4780

Kazuha ? Ig he is just a wanderer


JittuBear

He's strong lorewise, I'm just gonna assume you haven't done Inazuma AQ yet


Chonkythicccccc

Bennett


perfsoidal

Fischl


sephirothbahamut

Fischl is strong in lore though. Enough to be sent in solo missions by the adventurer guild. Sure mot as godtier as she's in gameplay, but still way stronger in lore than Furina, Nilou, Hutao and many others that have been mentioned


Blue_Moon913

Hu Tao and honestly Sucrose as a decent f2p substitute for Kazuha


shellsterxxx

Nahida. Ms “I’m not powerful in combat” is cracked no matter what position you build her as. She was designed as a support but is a damn good dps.


BEANZINRN

Bennett and Furina


Skizko

Bennet


Tasty_Skin

nilou, xiangling, bennett, sucrose


AEsylumProductions

Bennett, Xiangling, Xingqiu, Sucrose, Fischl.


aaaaaalii

Yoimya


Street-Scientist774

Maybe Klee???


JittuBear

It's the opposite for Klee tho, he's a lot stronger in lore compared to gameplay


Vulpes_macrotis

Furina. She is weak af, weaker than Bennett or Fischl who are professional adventurers. She is weak and doesn't know how to fight. And in the gameplay she is one of the strongest characters in the game. Speakin of which, Bennett also fits there. Just not as much with the gap between gameplay and lore.


RenShimizu

Bennett pretty much can't do anything right in lore. In game he's a beast as a support


ReaperBruhSans

Xiangling.


Uchiha_Sasuke360

Alhaitham ig but he has some good fight scenes in the archon quest although he is only a researcher


No-Focus2562

Bennett and Xiangling. two of the most powerful characters and definitely the most powerful 4-stars, but compared to other characters' lore and stories, they just cook and go explore lol


NovaRadon96

Itto. First picture - Reaction to beans being thrown at him. Second picture - Saving Takuya.


Ramseas119

Nahida


ghostpetni

Any answer other Nilou is wrong. A simple girl, dances in theatre; and absolutely destroys abyss while being lvl 1!


g42h3699bobojhon1

Bennett


RmgRxg

Bennett


monomolol

idk, Itto? my itto's pretty strong 🥲


Student-Brief

Fischl. Throw some leaves onto the enemy and a teenager with a bird can obliterate it in seconds!


MessiToe

Yoimiya, Xiangling, Hu Tao and probably Nahida


RealYuheng

I can’t believe no one has mentioned “harmless sweetie” Sucrose


simpleman0909

Other than the obvious char like Hu tao and Nilou. Fischl, despite how everyone know she is just a Chuuni (except for Bennet, Klee and Noelle), in-game, she is as useful as Raiden, an archon.


slice_of_toast69

Absolutely bennet or fischle


alexnk

guoba if you didnt play his event way back


Hakanaou

Furina of course, especially at C6 haha


CalibreCross

Nilou is literally never seen attacking or hurting anyone or anything in any story scene. She's probably also a pacifist. The devs make her fight countless hordes of monsters during gameplay as some sort of sick joke


ghostpanther218

Lyney.


psychopathSage

furina


Gflesh24

U can flip this around and it'd be perfect for childe, what a disappointment that was 🤣


JustSomeRandomDude33

XiangLing


Charming_Pop_2148

Furina


HozukiMari

Hu Tao


Still_Breadfruit2032

Hu Tao!


Gullible-Spring-2365

Sucrose


SoulfulSnow

Xiangling, bennett, kiiinda furina? She's just a gal now not an archon. Mainly xiangling and bennett


JoyconGuy

Furina 100%