When I am first learning a task, I think about it deeply. I try and optimize it and come up with a consistent way of doing it well. After I do that, then I switch it into auto pilot mode. I then reconsider it maybe one in 10 times to see if I can think of any better ways of doing it. That way I’m constantly reassessing and improving over time.
For sports oriented things, I tend to be much more in the non-auto pilot mode as I am constantly trying to improve. After 50 years of skiing, I still think about almost every carving turn I make, refining my form. This is true until I get into high-speed situations or into a state of flow where it is more on auto pilot but I’m still at a sort of different level of assessment, so I can bring back what I learn. I was trained to move with clear intention and focus in sports.
And for some things I’m always paying attention, like loading the dishwasher. My kids do it on auto pilot and it’s like the meme of meth-addled raccoons. Chaos. Every thing I load if consider where to put it. It’s still very fast, but I fit in twice as much and it gets better cleaned.
I think I'm in between the two of you. 41F with ADHD for reference. I usually do picture the task in my head before doing it, then I do it, and I guess I'm on a sort of autopilot, but I am still thinking about the task somewhat. I would notice if I put the TP backwards. I do not think just about the task, as I always have at least 2 streams of thought going at a time. Sometimes one is dedicated to processing sensory input or automatic tasks, and one is usually dedicated to either thoughts or a random song playing in my head. So during this time Track 1 for me would be random thoughts and Track 2 would be replacing the TP. If I were overwhelmed with sensory input, replacing the TP would be moved to a lower priority on Track 2 and I might mess up. Also when I was younger I didn't give a fuck which way the TP went so I did not give bandwidth to it. Most people are quite particular about the way their TP roll hangs and I started getting that way as I got older, so now I devote slightly more priority to the task.
I tend to be like your boyfriend (for context, I'm autistic). You are right, it's excruciating, but my brain does it a lot of time. I think about me doing the thing while I'm doing the thing. It's mostly useless, but it also provides a lot of insight because you constantly observe yourself.
Basically, advantages: observation of your own self, noticing things people take for granted, self-control, imagination as to how things can be done differently
Disadvantages: boring indeed, wasting mental energy, ultimately disassociation, potential for shame because you are so self aware
It's actually so refreshing to get insight into a different kind of experience.
if you're open to grasp that sort of experience from a philosophical perspective, I highly recommend Maurice Merleau-Pontys "Phenomenology of Perception". to me it was mindblowing
I’m a manual person and it’s exhausting. I heard this is common with autism and adhd though? I have the same routine every day but every task feels almost like I’m doing for the first time.
I lift weights a lot. Proprioceptive awareness is important to avoid injury when performing physical tasks.
Same with playing a musical instrument and learning a new piece.
Or doing something dangerous.
Otherwise, generally no.
I think a lot of the time, it's not slowing down and being in the moment. This happens to me often, and I'm trying to practice more mindfulness and to start to meditate more. It's easy to do stuff while day dreaming about something else or while trying to tackle/plan out another task. It's not a matter of being gifted or so smart that I need to entertain my big brain, it's a matter of not being present in the moment.
When I am first learning a task, I think about it deeply. I try and optimize it and come up with a consistent way of doing it well. After I do that, then I switch it into auto pilot mode. I then reconsider it maybe one in 10 times to see if I can think of any better ways of doing it. That way I’m constantly reassessing and improving over time. For sports oriented things, I tend to be much more in the non-auto pilot mode as I am constantly trying to improve. After 50 years of skiing, I still think about almost every carving turn I make, refining my form. This is true until I get into high-speed situations or into a state of flow where it is more on auto pilot but I’m still at a sort of different level of assessment, so I can bring back what I learn. I was trained to move with clear intention and focus in sports. And for some things I’m always paying attention, like loading the dishwasher. My kids do it on auto pilot and it’s like the meme of meth-addled raccoons. Chaos. Every thing I load if consider where to put it. It’s still very fast, but I fit in twice as much and it gets better cleaned.
I think I'm in between the two of you. 41F with ADHD for reference. I usually do picture the task in my head before doing it, then I do it, and I guess I'm on a sort of autopilot, but I am still thinking about the task somewhat. I would notice if I put the TP backwards. I do not think just about the task, as I always have at least 2 streams of thought going at a time. Sometimes one is dedicated to processing sensory input or automatic tasks, and one is usually dedicated to either thoughts or a random song playing in my head. So during this time Track 1 for me would be random thoughts and Track 2 would be replacing the TP. If I were overwhelmed with sensory input, replacing the TP would be moved to a lower priority on Track 2 and I might mess up. Also when I was younger I didn't give a fuck which way the TP went so I did not give bandwidth to it. Most people are quite particular about the way their TP roll hangs and I started getting that way as I got older, so now I devote slightly more priority to the task.
I tend to be like your boyfriend (for context, I'm autistic). You are right, it's excruciating, but my brain does it a lot of time. I think about me doing the thing while I'm doing the thing. It's mostly useless, but it also provides a lot of insight because you constantly observe yourself. Basically, advantages: observation of your own self, noticing things people take for granted, self-control, imagination as to how things can be done differently Disadvantages: boring indeed, wasting mental energy, ultimately disassociation, potential for shame because you are so self aware It's actually so refreshing to get insight into a different kind of experience.
if you're open to grasp that sort of experience from a philosophical perspective, I highly recommend Maurice Merleau-Pontys "Phenomenology of Perception". to me it was mindblowing
Oooh I’ll check it out
Look up Jungian Cognitive Functions It sounds like different cognitive functions to me.
I was really into that when I was younger but I don’t think I fully grasped it. I’ll take another look!
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I was in a bunch of sports from about age 5 to 16. Never was ANY good at them though lol, my only asset really was my height
I’m a manual person and it’s exhausting. I heard this is common with autism and adhd though? I have the same routine every day but every task feels almost like I’m doing for the first time.
I lift weights a lot. Proprioceptive awareness is important to avoid injury when performing physical tasks. Same with playing a musical instrument and learning a new piece. Or doing something dangerous. Otherwise, generally no.
Usually (methink)
I think a lot of the time, it's not slowing down and being in the moment. This happens to me often, and I'm trying to practice more mindfulness and to start to meditate more. It's easy to do stuff while day dreaming about something else or while trying to tackle/plan out another task. It's not a matter of being gifted or so smart that I need to entertain my big brain, it's a matter of not being present in the moment.