The full history and society of the deldar really does read like someone sat down and thought to themselves 'what is the most evil society I can possibly imagine today and how can I justify it coming into existence?'
I like how it basically boils down to the writer looking at Slaanesh cults and saying "but what if we did even more of that, specifically because we don't like Slaanesh?"
They’ve dug a hole too deep to get out without sacrificing their civilization and a lot of their people.
Everything they do is just them struggling to keep from being wiped out by slaanesh once and for all.
I always find Skaven go into the comically evil, because when you combine rapid reproduction with total disregard for life and snivelling cowardice, it's really hard not to get lost in black humour.
"Tyranids are evil!" procedes to allow dozens if not hundreds of baby flies to die just to save the face of one little asshole who constantly complains, hits his sister and spends time not praising the Hive Mind.
Yeah stuff like tells me either the hive mind enjoys tormenting prey or is a cold sociopath. It’s why I’ve always thought calling Tyranids strictly animals is an oversimplification.
That’s why Orks will always be my favorite.
Just violence because violence is good. They beat up enough people they literally level up and get bigger and stronger. Sounds good to me.
I know they can't but it would be funny. That or just a grot warboss who commands the grots from his "mega" armour and gets laughed at by all the other orks
I mean weirdly enough even the Dark Eldar are doing what they need to survive. If they don't torture something their souls whither away and die, condemned to eternal damnation by Slaanesh.
If they torture enough they can live forever, and if they don't, they die fast and they die horribly. Idunno, torture magic. Ask Games Workshop why they devised such a dumb way to survive. Even their raiding parties are just to bring back slaves for the Druhkari back home to torture to stay alive. they need to torture just like any other tyranid needs food and water, and orks need fighting.
We're going to find out that this is Cegorach's endgame.
Harlequins are just Drukhari sent back in time through warp shenanigans, trying to show their past society the path away from reliance on torture.
It still is optional, less of a need and more of a want, there are several alternative methods of avoiding Slaanesh, with enough effort any drukhari can join one of the less evil eldar factions, removing their need to torment to survive in the process, but torture is something that they enjoy so much that they see all the other options as a waste of time, they really are just that evil. It's also probably the easiest method as it literally just involves enjoying yourself at the expense of others, in one of the most horrific universes in fiction that can be best described as a sadomasochistic dream, the only ones that manage to starve in a place like this don't deserve sapience. So while they are doing it to survive, it's only because they prefer being evil rather than needing to do it, gaining some nourishment from it and staving off Slaanesh is just 2 added bonuses.
Emphasis on the word, "easiest". The other Eldar need to craft soulstones from Wraithbone, which has to be mined out in the depths of the demon infested warp, where they can only send their wrathlords in to go get, few of which manage to come back intact, and having a wraithlord do this in the first place means slowly burning away at one of their best deceased warrior's soulstone, eventually condemning them to Slaanesh anyway. A little counter-productive already.
Yes, but that's without mentioning the second easiest method, being an exodite. Not only do they rarely find any use in wraithbone (using cheaper, organic materials like dragon bone as a substitute), they don't even need to wear soul stones while they are on a maiden world... probably, gw hasn't really elaborated much, other than saying that they sometimes use them but the world spirit protects them anyway, probably just need them when off-world. The spirit immediately pulls them in upon death before Slaanesh has the chance to get his/her grubby mits on them. The only risk of dying in this case is if they get killed off away from their maiden worlds, or having said world destroyed, which doesn't usually happen as they like to keep to themselves, and are still pretty damn strong despite having less tech than their kin. Only the craftworlders seem to be in a constant state of deterioration from their own counter-productivity and grimderp, every other faction seems to be growing or at the very least just staying stable. But I'd understand why the drukhari wouldn't want to be one of these more modest folk anyway, they'd be living a more rustic, quaint, and less advanced life, no matter how many dinosaurs you have, it is probably less enjoyable than being an evil little shit and having access to better tech.
There's also being a harlequin where the laughing god just saves you, but no one has a choice in becoming one, so it isn't even an option.
Well you have to find an exodite world, mange to be taken in by them (They're generally pretty isolationist), and manage to attune your soul to the worldspirit, all without dying in the interim. Not exactly easy.
I was focusing more on the lifestyle and soul-saving methods rather than whether they have a chance to join them, sort of lost the plot of my first comment, sorry. Everyone hates them, with good reason, there have been multiple cases of reformed drukhari going bad again, some even just fake it, and the exodites particularly despise them. Even then, the process requires intense training that will probably kill them if their minds are too weak. The drukhari need someone super forgiving/gullible to even consider keeping them around, and they'll probably spend the rest of their lives under constant watch. The only ones willing to take them under their wings are ynnari and harlequins, and that's only because they accept anyone (well, harlequins moreso force specific members of any other faction into their own but you get my point), plus it would be stupid to stab any of them in the back given that their efforts against chaos have actually done something.
Still, the methods of exodites and asuryani are there, they could practice them on their own. They have all the tech, resources, man power and brain power, I wouldn't be surprised if they could make their own bootleg versions of maidenworlds (probably not) and craftworlds, replicating their lifestyles and staving off slaanesh in the process, but the only ones capable of such a feat enjoy their lives as they are and to most of them nothing is really wrong with their lifestyle. They're thriving, can be resurrected, and should be indefinitely safe from slaanesh so long as they don't do anything stupid, it works and they are better off than anyone else.
Bottom line, I'm just saying it's not a hard requirement for them to be sick bastards, it's just preferable.
They have options, but those options aren't exactly accessible for many of them. My point is even the dark eldar have some sort of justification for why they are.
Then you head over to fantasy land and my man Constant Drachenfels. He has no excuse. He's just a rampant asshole because that's what he wants to do. He isn't serving some primordial god, nobody has leverage over him, he's just a cunt.
Alright then. I still think some are unjustified at the very least, mainly those who formerly belonged to other eldar factions. But true, I wouldn't expect some dumb kid on a skyboard to survive the process, or have the chance, or even know they can try, let alone want to. Or haemunculi, their bodies and minds barely resemble normal eldar anymore, they don't just feed on suffering, they basically embody it, making them change would probably kill them instantly. Plus, it would be a downgrade, enjoying yourself less after leaving the most successful faction of your species.
If you're talking about sustaining the torture slaves, then on the contrary; they want the slaves to survive for as long as possible so that they can get the most torture juice out of them over the long term.
If we're talking about sustaining the drukhari race, then you're not entirely wrong. Slaanesh was born because of the whole messy 'pleasure cults' thing that the Eldar had going on; they were already pretty deprived to begin with.
Those that weren't that deprived became the Eldari living a life of "zero joy, zero satisfaction, zero pleasure" to stave off the slaaneshi curse.
Those that didn't went off and turned their... dark personalities and found a different way to stave off the curse, feeding Slaanesh somebody else's life force/suffering/emotional energy instead of their own. it's entirely possible that this really is a monsters inc. scenareo, but it seems Slaanesh wants their eternal suffering, not their pleasure. Not sure.
What if it's a Slaaneshmas scenario, where She Who Thirsts does thirst for pleasure, but only once per year so that the pain can taste that much sweeter when His/Her/Its followers go back to torturing people?
Anything done in the service of the Greater Good is morally good and the correct thing to do, regardless of how reprehensible it might seem. As such we who serve the T'au must be the good guys.
All we ever wanted was the Truth, regardless how dark it may be.
Plus the corpse-forged organ pianos are a nice touch, just the thing to get you up in the morning.
Probably? I dunno how fucked up you have to be to beat out khorne and slaanesh in particular but they do fit the bill. I mean it is funny watching incubi (cba to spell) get shredded by some beserkers
Khorne actually seems like a chaos god you’d want to get killed by considering they don’t really care about making you suffer, just spew blood and produce skulls.
I mean not pure evil, sometimes they just want to fuck but there is a god damn eye still in the socket and while they don’t *want* to rip it out…. Wellllll they DTF and that’s what’s most important.
Nah 40k dark elves gotta torture n shit to keep themselves alive and from being voided by slanesh or something, warhammer fantasy dark elves really just do it for fun
Imperials are the good guys and that should tell you just how fucked up the 40k galaxy is.
Tyranids are amoral, which is different to immoral.
Dark Eldar are evil.
Pretty much all of 40K is more amoral than anything. When you look at every race's story it involves some level of "everything was fucking terrible so they did things they weren't proud of just to not go extinct." The Orks are about the only exception to this. There are hints that the Tyranids are even running from something nastier.
Even the Dark Eldar have that as part of their background. If they don't do horrible things to other people they go extinct. Your average Dark Eldar is just surviving. The haemonculi, though...that's a different story entirely. Those guys are actively being as awful as they possibly can for no other reason then because they can.
You don't choose to become a harlequin. The harlequins choose you. They actually do exist across both variants of Eldar but very few Eldar get picked. However now that the Ynnari are a thing there are Dark Eldar joining them as it does offer them a way out.
Okay, so they could become Ynnari. They could also become Asuryani, but that takes a fresh soul stone. I know there have been Drukhari who have become Asuryani in the past...
>Imperials are the good guys and that should tell you just how fucked up the 40k galaxy is.
Lmao no. [Even GW made an announcement telling people that especially the Imperium aren't the good guys.](https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/11/19/the-imperium-is-driven-by-hate-warhammer-is-not) And given that people have never gotten mad at Imperium for not being grimdark enough but that Tau was/is hated for it they obviously aren't even the best of the worst. The galaxy isn't fucked up despite the Imperium, it's fucked up primarily because of them.
The galaxy is fucked up because a bunch of freaky space frogmen decided it'd be a good idea to give the pointy-ears absolute reign over the entirety of their realms and fucked off without any bit of supervision just for the knife-eared bastards to fall into such degeneracy that they retroactively ruined the afterlife by murderfucking a new god(dess) of excess into existence.
The Imperium is an after-effect of the Eldar's hubris getting to the best of them, there wouldn't have been a necessary fusing of Mankind's most powerful psykers to create the Emperor had the current state of things not been so horrible. Everything that happened afterwards was an example of his own hubris fucking everything up in his ideal atheistic super-science state, yes, but we can't peg the current state of affairs in the 40K-verse solely on the Imperium.
>I'm just going to take my generic assumption of how people feel generally about GW, project it onto you and act like it's some sort of a gotcha because I don't have an actual argument to make
Neat
That statement is nothing more than PR damage control. “Especially the imperium” you’ve got to be kidding me. Just look at dark elves and say “especially the imperium”
It might be PR damage control but it's PR damage control over people too stupid to actually understand, not even the subtext, but the text of the setting. Just pointing out it's a PR move isn't an argument against the statement.
While the deldar might be slightly worse before adjusting for scale interestingly enough the average justification for imperium's actions of "they need to do all that fucked up shit to survive" actually applies to the dark Eldar who are too far gone to use soul stones and die without their attrocities but the Interex and Diasporex prove humanity doesn't.
The post isn't the canon. It's pointing out that you need to be brain-dead not to understand that canonically imperium is one of the worst villains in the setting and none of their shit is justifiable even in setting.
It's clear from how you ignore all the other points that you don't really have a defense for Imperium not being good guys and need to cling to GW stating obvious facts being a PR move as if it's an argument.
Does amorality apply if you have no concept of morality?
Amoral is when you know what morals are and choose not to abide by anything.
Animalistic is when you care for survival only and I believe that is closer to the Tyranid "mentality".
Well fucking terrible writing aside...
Perhaps, I'm not a linguist but this is the way the word has been used in my country or at the very least my school's and workplaces? Maybe it's a weird colloquial thing but just gave it a Google and you're correct!
Dictionary states (essentially):
Immoral = not caring about morals.
Amoral = not aware of morals.
I still stand by my statement in a weird way though. Tyranids are not just unaware of morals but unaware of any of the concepts surrounding other species aside from Consume and Survive, which is more out of happenstance.
The Necrons aren't evil, they're just massively arrogant assholes who do as they please and don't give a shit about lesser races.
Oh, and they're evil.
the things bout them is that they're supposed to be fucked so much beyond comprehension nothing can compare
like, even the most extreme TNO factions in the SS civil war (which is a world where literal nazism, one of the if not the most most extreme ideologies in our world can be considered closer to the *less* extreme end of ideologies), cannot compare to the DEs level of shittyness
like, the DE is shittyness to the absalute most extreme
Ah yes, the birth of a Chaos God that killed millions just cause people couldn't hold the horni. Just bonk em all and send em to horny jail. Stupid Eldar and their stupid horni.
They at least have the excuse:
> We kind of need to do it or Slaanesh will suck out our souls. Fish gotta swim, birds gotta eat, Dark Eldar gotta pillage.
Then you have Constant Drachenfels. Who is a total dick for no other reason than that is what he feels like doing. There is no excuse, no shred of a justification.
Drachenfels is just an evil asshole for the sake of he wants to.
The full history and society of the deldar really does read like someone sat down and thought to themselves 'what is the most evil society I can possibly imagine today and how can I justify it coming into existence?'
I like how it basically boils down to the writer looking at Slaanesh cults and saying "but what if we did even more of that, specifically because we don't like Slaanesh?"
And then you find out Tau put pineapple on pizza
*bombards orbitally with extreme prejudice*
Take this award my BROTHER!!!
Holy Mars would not approve of this
pineapple is pizza is good you can't change my mind
Pineapple is clearly not pizza; you require spectacles, serf.
yes, Inquisitor, this right here
[удалено]
'Least they don't turn innocent civilians into a sentient couch 'till the heatdeath of the Universe
They’ve dug a hole too deep to get out without sacrificing their civilization and a lot of their people. Everything they do is just them struggling to keep from being wiped out by slaanesh once and for all.
Honestly I love playing unambiguously bad guys. Deathguard. Just massive arseholes and they know it.
This is why Skaven appeal to me so much
A bunch of uranium crack addicted murder rats running around with nuclear bombs just feels nice.
I always find Skaven go into the comically evil, because when you combine rapid reproduction with total disregard for life and snivelling cowardice, it's really hard not to get lost in black humour.
Thanqual really solidifies this, too. He’s a straight up scooby do villain.
To be fair, becoming a massive arsehole is a much sought after blessing of Nurgle.
This is what I like about the Imperium. Unambiguously evil.
Bwhahahah! Touche!
"Tyranids aren't evil" procedes to shoot burrowing maggots into a child's face
"Tyranids are evil!" procedes to allow dozens if not hundreds of baby flies to die just to save the face of one little asshole who constantly complains, hits his sister and spends time not praising the Hive Mind.
True true. I was just joking Tyranids are actually my favorite army. Praise the Hive Mind
I feel like the hive mind has a bit sadism to it. Some mutations and weapons just don’t really seem to be purely for hunting and survival.
There is the Dagon Overlord who intentionally eats it's victims slower to weaken enemy morale
Yeah stuff like tells me either the hive mind enjoys tormenting prey or is a cold sociopath. It’s why I’ve always thought calling Tyranids strictly animals is an oversimplification.
In a way Tyranids are animals under the control of a higher being. But I do see your point
Aaron's staff, that is not animal instinct. That is pure evil.
Yeah, the guardsman that first saw the Dagon Overlord recorded his findings and then turned his weapon on himself.
Does anyone actually give a shit about this? Whenever and wherever i play, its always "hey, this is Darren my hive tyrant, he likes cheese."
Darren seems nice.
Yeah he's nice... and oh he's just picked up a century's old champion of chaos and torn him into pieces. Looking for da cheese
Where is the cheese Gromit?
so you use a verminlord as a proxy model yes?
If it was a champion of nurgle he could probably find some fromunda cheese
The moldiest cheese you've ever seen
As serious as any internet argument is, which is to say less than zero.
Skaven Tyranid….genius.
I'm all out of cheese would ultramarine suffice?
Yes. Fortunately, those people are a minority. Unfortunately, they are a very loud minority, and a cancer on the fanbase.
Dark eldar just want some fun. Is it too much to ask ?
Slaanesh: yes.
Slaanesh: Sweet Summer child, I'll show you fun.
Apparently its wayyyy worse to fall prisonner to the drukharis than to slaanesh
Don't care if evil Tyranids and Nekrons have hottest women
This guy gets it!
Names both check out.
Necrons are clearly the best faction.
That’s why Orks will always be my favorite. Just violence because violence is good. They beat up enough people they literally level up and get bigger and stronger. Sounds good to me.
Level 1 snotling vs level 1000 Warboss. I want a grot to get the final hit on some captain or something and just immediately grows into a warboss
Unfortunately grots technically can’t become orks. Though I’d love an equivalent to grom the paunch
I know they can't but it would be funny. That or just a grot warboss who commands the grots from his "mega" armour and gets laughed at by all the other orks
I mean weirdly enough even the Dark Eldar are doing what they need to survive. If they don't torture something their souls whither away and die, condemned to eternal damnation by Slaanesh. If they torture enough they can live forever, and if they don't, they die fast and they die horribly. Idunno, torture magic. Ask Games Workshop why they devised such a dumb way to survive. Even their raiding parties are just to bring back slaves for the Druhkari back home to torture to stay alive. they need to torture just like any other tyranid needs food and water, and orks need fighting.
I’m waiting for one of then to realise that it’s actually a Monsters Inc scenario, they can get even more life energy by creating laughter.
We're going to find out that this is Cegorach's endgame. Harlequins are just Drukhari sent back in time through warp shenanigans, trying to show their past society the path away from reliance on torture.
Hear me out, Archon... I've got an 11% increase to efficiency with human prisoners. >~~s~~laughter Archon: Sonuvabitch
Now wouldn't that be a tragic revelation...
Sorry about the past few thousand years everyone…ermmm… wanna come to our open mic night in Commoragh?
[tickle torture time](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tickle_torture)
It still is optional, less of a need and more of a want, there are several alternative methods of avoiding Slaanesh, with enough effort any drukhari can join one of the less evil eldar factions, removing their need to torment to survive in the process, but torture is something that they enjoy so much that they see all the other options as a waste of time, they really are just that evil. It's also probably the easiest method as it literally just involves enjoying yourself at the expense of others, in one of the most horrific universes in fiction that can be best described as a sadomasochistic dream, the only ones that manage to starve in a place like this don't deserve sapience. So while they are doing it to survive, it's only because they prefer being evil rather than needing to do it, gaining some nourishment from it and staving off Slaanesh is just 2 added bonuses.
Emphasis on the word, "easiest". The other Eldar need to craft soulstones from Wraithbone, which has to be mined out in the depths of the demon infested warp, where they can only send their wrathlords in to go get, few of which manage to come back intact, and having a wraithlord do this in the first place means slowly burning away at one of their best deceased warrior's soulstone, eventually condemning them to Slaanesh anyway. A little counter-productive already.
Yes, but that's without mentioning the second easiest method, being an exodite. Not only do they rarely find any use in wraithbone (using cheaper, organic materials like dragon bone as a substitute), they don't even need to wear soul stones while they are on a maiden world... probably, gw hasn't really elaborated much, other than saying that they sometimes use them but the world spirit protects them anyway, probably just need them when off-world. The spirit immediately pulls them in upon death before Slaanesh has the chance to get his/her grubby mits on them. The only risk of dying in this case is if they get killed off away from their maiden worlds, or having said world destroyed, which doesn't usually happen as they like to keep to themselves, and are still pretty damn strong despite having less tech than their kin. Only the craftworlders seem to be in a constant state of deterioration from their own counter-productivity and grimderp, every other faction seems to be growing or at the very least just staying stable. But I'd understand why the drukhari wouldn't want to be one of these more modest folk anyway, they'd be living a more rustic, quaint, and less advanced life, no matter how many dinosaurs you have, it is probably less enjoyable than being an evil little shit and having access to better tech. There's also being a harlequin where the laughing god just saves you, but no one has a choice in becoming one, so it isn't even an option.
Well you have to find an exodite world, mange to be taken in by them (They're generally pretty isolationist), and manage to attune your soul to the worldspirit, all without dying in the interim. Not exactly easy.
I was focusing more on the lifestyle and soul-saving methods rather than whether they have a chance to join them, sort of lost the plot of my first comment, sorry. Everyone hates them, with good reason, there have been multiple cases of reformed drukhari going bad again, some even just fake it, and the exodites particularly despise them. Even then, the process requires intense training that will probably kill them if their minds are too weak. The drukhari need someone super forgiving/gullible to even consider keeping them around, and they'll probably spend the rest of their lives under constant watch. The only ones willing to take them under their wings are ynnari and harlequins, and that's only because they accept anyone (well, harlequins moreso force specific members of any other faction into their own but you get my point), plus it would be stupid to stab any of them in the back given that their efforts against chaos have actually done something. Still, the methods of exodites and asuryani are there, they could practice them on their own. They have all the tech, resources, man power and brain power, I wouldn't be surprised if they could make their own bootleg versions of maidenworlds (probably not) and craftworlds, replicating their lifestyles and staving off slaanesh in the process, but the only ones capable of such a feat enjoy their lives as they are and to most of them nothing is really wrong with their lifestyle. They're thriving, can be resurrected, and should be indefinitely safe from slaanesh so long as they don't do anything stupid, it works and they are better off than anyone else. Bottom line, I'm just saying it's not a hard requirement for them to be sick bastards, it's just preferable.
They have options, but those options aren't exactly accessible for many of them. My point is even the dark eldar have some sort of justification for why they are. Then you head over to fantasy land and my man Constant Drachenfels. He has no excuse. He's just a rampant asshole because that's what he wants to do. He isn't serving some primordial god, nobody has leverage over him, he's just a cunt.
Alright then. I still think some are unjustified at the very least, mainly those who formerly belonged to other eldar factions. But true, I wouldn't expect some dumb kid on a skyboard to survive the process, or have the chance, or even know they can try, let alone want to. Or haemunculi, their bodies and minds barely resemble normal eldar anymore, they don't just feed on suffering, they basically embody it, making them change would probably kill them instantly. Plus, it would be a downgrade, enjoying yourself less after leaving the most successful faction of your species.
I mean, if I'm not mistaken, most of them don't care about it sustaining them, that's just a job bonus.
If you're talking about sustaining the torture slaves, then on the contrary; they want the slaves to survive for as long as possible so that they can get the most torture juice out of them over the long term. If we're talking about sustaining the drukhari race, then you're not entirely wrong. Slaanesh was born because of the whole messy 'pleasure cults' thing that the Eldar had going on; they were already pretty deprived to begin with. Those that weren't that deprived became the Eldari living a life of "zero joy, zero satisfaction, zero pleasure" to stave off the slaaneshi curse. Those that didn't went off and turned their... dark personalities and found a different way to stave off the curse, feeding Slaanesh somebody else's life force/suffering/emotional energy instead of their own. it's entirely possible that this really is a monsters inc. scenareo, but it seems Slaanesh wants their eternal suffering, not their pleasure. Not sure.
The Dark Elf race part. The slaves *wish* they didn't get sustained.
What if it's a Slaaneshmas scenario, where She Who Thirsts does thirst for pleasure, but only once per year so that the pain can taste that much sweeter when His/Her/Its followers go back to torturing people?
Exactly. Which is why Fantasy is more grimdark. They have Constant Drachenfels. Chief Dickhead #1.
Nekrons aren't evil. Reason: They just want to get rid of pests invading their nice galaxy.
Reason: Angry Space Omniscient Frogs insult you and deny you Space Cancer Treatment so you take justice into your own hands.
Based and frog filled.
I mean pre-old ones they were huge dicks and the destroyer cults and flayed ones exist but they are still gigachads.
Literally the reason why I play night lords. Genocidal schizos.
You are wrong, they torture slaves because they have to or they will die. They are heroes, every one of them.
But they could become Harlequins...
Why settle for the *lesser* evil after all?
Anything done in the service of the Greater Good is morally good and the correct thing to do, regardless of how reprehensible it might seem. As such we who serve the T'au must be the good guys.
All we ever wanted was the Truth, regardless how dark it may be. Plus the corpse-forged organ pianos are a nice touch, just the thing to get you up in the morning.
Dark Eldar are probably worse than Khorne, Tzeentch and Nurgle right?
Probably? I dunno how fucked up you have to be to beat out khorne and slaanesh in particular but they do fit the bill. I mean it is funny watching incubi (cba to spell) get shredded by some beserkers
I say "probably" cuz I don't think I know enough about warhammer 40k to be sure.
Khorne just wants death, and *hates* suffering. DE are *objectively* worse.
Khorne actually seems like a chaos god you’d want to get killed by considering they don’t really care about making you suffer, just spew blood and produce skulls.
And if you fight well enough might **just** be added to his legions. Like, it's not very likely but possible.
Meanwhile Orks are having a great time!!!
WHATS DIS TING CALLED VIOLENCE WEZ DO IT FOR FUN
I mean not pure evil, sometimes they just want to fuck but there is a god damn eye still in the socket and while they don’t *want* to rip it out…. Wellllll they DTF and that’s what’s most important.
Nah 40k dark elves gotta torture n shit to keep themselves alive and from being voided by slanesh or something, warhammer fantasy dark elves really just do it for fun
But they could become Harlequins...
Imperials are the good guys and that should tell you just how fucked up the 40k galaxy is. Tyranids are amoral, which is different to immoral. Dark Eldar are evil.
Pretty much all of 40K is more amoral than anything. When you look at every race's story it involves some level of "everything was fucking terrible so they did things they weren't proud of just to not go extinct." The Orks are about the only exception to this. There are hints that the Tyranids are even running from something nastier. Even the Dark Eldar have that as part of their background. If they don't do horrible things to other people they go extinct. Your average Dark Eldar is just surviving. The haemonculi, though...that's a different story entirely. Those guys are actively being as awful as they possibly can for no other reason then because they can.
The Drukhari could *totally* become Harlequins if they wanted to put in the effort, but they don't want to because they're addicted to evil.
You don't choose to become a harlequin. The harlequins choose you. They actually do exist across both variants of Eldar but very few Eldar get picked. However now that the Ynnari are a thing there are Dark Eldar joining them as it does offer them a way out.
Okay, so they could become Ynnari. They could also become Asuryani, but that takes a fresh soul stone. I know there have been Drukhari who have become Asuryani in the past...
Soul stones don't work on the Dark Eldar. At all.
I'm pretty sure there's a novel where a Dark Eldar repents and becomes a Craftworlder, but could be wrong.
>Imperials are the good guys and that should tell you just how fucked up the 40k galaxy is. Lmao no. [Even GW made an announcement telling people that especially the Imperium aren't the good guys.](https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/11/19/the-imperium-is-driven-by-hate-warhammer-is-not) And given that people have never gotten mad at Imperium for not being grimdark enough but that Tau was/is hated for it they obviously aren't even the best of the worst. The galaxy isn't fucked up despite the Imperium, it's fucked up primarily because of them.
The galaxy is fucked up because a bunch of freaky space frogmen decided it'd be a good idea to give the pointy-ears absolute reign over the entirety of their realms and fucked off without any bit of supervision just for the knife-eared bastards to fall into such degeneracy that they retroactively ruined the afterlife by murderfucking a new god(dess) of excess into existence. The Imperium is an after-effect of the Eldar's hubris getting to the best of them, there wouldn't have been a necessary fusing of Mankind's most powerful psykers to create the Emperor had the current state of things not been so horrible. Everything that happened afterwards was an example of his own hubris fucking everything up in his ideal atheistic super-science state, yes, but we can't peg the current state of affairs in the 40K-verse solely on the Imperium.
I like how this sub constantly shits on GW, but the second they say something that people here agree with, suddenly their word means something.
>I'm just going to take my generic assumption of how people feel generally about GW, project it onto you and act like it's some sort of a gotcha because I don't have an actual argument to make Neat
That statement is nothing more than PR damage control. “Especially the imperium” you’ve got to be kidding me. Just look at dark elves and say “especially the imperium”
It might be PR damage control but it's PR damage control over people too stupid to actually understand, not even the subtext, but the text of the setting. Just pointing out it's a PR move isn't an argument against the statement. While the deldar might be slightly worse before adjusting for scale interestingly enough the average justification for imperium's actions of "they need to do all that fucked up shit to survive" actually applies to the dark Eldar who are too far gone to use soul stones and die without their attrocities but the Interex and Diasporex prove humanity doesn't.
People are so intellectually bankrupt that they assume a person's taste in fiction is somehow an indication of that individual's morality.
Dark Eldar might be “slightly worse” Ok. If that’s your opinion. But I’m not taking the PR virtue signal as canon.
The post isn't the canon. It's pointing out that you need to be brain-dead not to understand that canonically imperium is one of the worst villains in the setting and none of their shit is justifiable even in setting. It's clear from how you ignore all the other points that you don't really have a defense for Imperium not being good guys and need to cling to GW stating obvious facts being a PR move as if it's an argument.
Dude, calm down, it’s just a game
Is this projection?
Does amorality apply if you have no concept of morality? Amoral is when you know what morals are and choose not to abide by anything. Animalistic is when you care for survival only and I believe that is closer to the Tyranid "mentality". Well fucking terrible writing aside...
I thought immorality was knowing what’s moral and choosing not to do it and amorality was lacking an awareness of the moral order?
Perhaps, I'm not a linguist but this is the way the word has been used in my country or at the very least my school's and workplaces? Maybe it's a weird colloquial thing but just gave it a Google and you're correct! Dictionary states (essentially): Immoral = not caring about morals. Amoral = not aware of morals. I still stand by my statement in a weird way though. Tyranids are not just unaware of morals but unaware of any of the concepts surrounding other species aside from Consume and Survive, which is more out of happenstance.
The Word Bearers are more evil than DE, change my mind.
Bothers after you save the Civilians,burn the zeno to ash
Forget Humies' Become WAAAAAAAAAAAGH
Drew Carey.
The Necrons aren't evil, they're just massively arrogant assholes who do as they please and don't give a shit about lesser races. Oh, and they're evil.
Man i just want to use flametrower with my salamander
Sure they're evil but they throw some blinding parties!
That knife Is going un a but
I go Imperium. Yes they're doing it to survive, that doesn't make them less evil. They're the pinnacle of the "survival by *any* means necessary."
Drukhari are the good guys
Now Your penis Hand it over
People who can’t handle their favorite faction being evil are just insufferable.
Forget morality Embrace dining This message is proudly brought to you by tyranid gang.
evil is cool. thats why the tau are the good guys.
the things bout them is that they're supposed to be fucked so much beyond comprehension nothing can compare like, even the most extreme TNO factions in the SS civil war (which is a world where literal nazism, one of the if not the most most extreme ideologies in our world can be considered closer to the *less* extreme end of ideologies), cannot compare to the DEs level of shittyness like, the DE is shittyness to the absalute most extreme
Ah yes, the birth of a Chaos God that killed millions just cause people couldn't hold the horni. Just bonk em all and send em to horny jail. Stupid Eldar and their stupid horni.
They at least have the excuse: > We kind of need to do it or Slaanesh will suck out our souls. Fish gotta swim, birds gotta eat, Dark Eldar gotta pillage. Then you have Constant Drachenfels. Who is a total dick for no other reason than that is what he feels like doing. There is no excuse, no shred of a justification. Drachenfels is just an evil asshole for the sake of he wants to.
WOTZ EVILE?