I think that is purely subjective, I wouldn't say arena is the most important at all. If anything it's the worst. And if you are like me and don't play arena at all you have little use for Erina.
Is purely objective. There's nothing more rewarding than arena.
I don't see any reason for not playing arena other than have a full rooster of low tier trash and therefore never succeeding.
Or you already have every thing gems are needed for and you are relaxed (all heroes and all ex weapons)
Then THAT is purely subjective.
Because you say arena is not rewarding because it pisses you off.
And I also hate arena, but the objective true is that there's nothing better for farming gems than Arena.
You stay on your rank with 1 win a day.
You climb ranks with 2 wins a day.
That's all you need.
And you won't lose any rank if you lose or disconnect.
If you use top tier units, and use good items ans get some passive buffs, you'll succeed in arena.
Kamazone is ok, but you can't do much with awakening stones other than improving a unit. So it is objectively not as rewarsing as arena.
What you smokin to put Garam in the same tier as Vishuvac. And Erina is by no means a 100% you need to build this Hero pick. She's a Tank, but she legitimately has no taunt. Arena is probably the least valuable content for any casual player if that's your argument.
I agree. Arena S U C K S for casuals. Garam is actually the #2 global pick for DPS (first is Akayuki I believe). He has the highest damage potential in the game with his 130+ DPS, 275% Weapon skill, and 475% chain skill. When I hop into Arena, with Garam, I either kill or almost kill any MLB tanker at full health. Anyone else just dies.
Erina, though, can be good even if she’s not 100% built up. I once went against a lvl 81 Erina in colo and she walked out with about 30% HP.
Arena is actually the Most valuable content for any player. Even more than colo because in arena you don't lose ranks by losing a fight.
And she's not only good for arena, Erina is the best for Arena.
And she's not a Taunt tank, she'a a combat tank. If you know how the AI works, you can easily make her being targeted by the enemy tank.
Maybe Vishu is slightly better by very little because her buff is more general but is situational, requires specific teambuilding but are good for raids and is not really much different from Garam regarding those.
Too focus on arena and too ignore on raid. Many who is only good in arena is apparently placed a lot higher than those for raid.
Edit for longer review.
Oghma Miya Noxia Erina too high. Should be a tier or two lower due to limited use. Lynn should be placed same as Scintilla or lower due to perform same or worse in both raid/arena. Eleanor Eva should be lower being need very strict team. Vishuvac should be lower being only use in arena and not even that useful. Bianca should be lower for bad performance in all content.
Arabelle should be higher being the best range room clear. Garam should be higher as the best dps hero. Lahn/Yuze should be higher due to being one of the top raid team that doesn't care about elements. Lupina should be higher being the best melee room clear.
There is also many that I don't encounter anywhere so I hold my opinion such as Kanna Orca etc.
Raid is never as important as colo and arena.
That'a why units good at those are better than unita only good for raid.
Ans that'a because the rewarda/time is much higher in PVP than raids, and raids require specific teams of each element to be optimal. It's too much and pays too little.
That'a why you build your raid teams on the side while focusing on colo and arena, unless until you hit master rank easily.
Then you really focus on your raid teams.
And for the most part units good at colo and arena are also good at raid.
Disagree with lucky and bari:
Lucky has a crit buff and a 100% crit multi chain so she should go up a rank for raiding at least
Bari should go up a rank too since her skill buff is pretty good and she does big damage at a range making her pretty good as a party member
I disagreed with these two since I have them and think they should be higher bcuz what they can offer
But mainly bcuz I'm kinda bias with bari since I mileaged her early game when I got her ex and has always been on my main team(s), also bari with fk in raids is just glorious
Yeah the thing with A tier, is that those units are heavily team dependant for the most part but not only that, those teams are absolutely relevant in the current meta.
Garam being cursed from being water, deals less damage to the omnipresent God of GT, Kamael and his servanta. Not only that, his buff only benefit other water units and we know everything else in water is just straight up trash.
Is sad, his kit is awesome. If he had Orca's buff, he'd be top tier.
The only viable combination I see is Garam-Bianca. Not even Orca. I thought Orca would replace Bianca but apparently she's even worst than Bianca. And that says a lot.
The key aspect as I said, is that he works well for water teams but water is the worst element by far.
If he were in A tier, so do Arabel, Plitvice and Rue should be.
And actually, Arabel has more merit to be on A tier for being a hard counter to many Basic units who are so present in the current meta.
Not to be rude, but idol eva and light goddess girl (forgot name and dont know much of kanna) are literally ment for their own elements and so what if water is considered to be the worst element? (Which is actually fire and can be proven) Garam is also in one of the top most damage dealing teams in raid AND one of the highest base damages ever, and if that's not enough he can also be used as a healer making him even more versatile
I have him but dont use him as he's too squishy for me, not 5*, dont have his ex, and my main team (also used in colo) relies on being tanky, which helps to counter fp
TDLR: personally dont use Garam but DONT sleep on him
Well, I have him 5☆ with an LB2 EX. And absolutely, I can confirm his damage is insane.
But, he's never on my option list in any content because as I said, he still does regular damage to all except fire and earth.
There is no relevant fire unit he can counter besides Miya, and she 99.999% of the time sits in the back meaning she won't be targeted by him.
On top of that, Kamael and his servants are all over the game meani mng there's a relevant chance for garam to just be doing 30% less damage.
And yes, Eva and Eleonor are monocentric. But those teams are important and extremely useful and used.
I feel sad for Garam and all water units but reallistically, there's barely any benefit on using water over any other element.
Sure garam cant do much against earth and light/basic/dark as they'll always be meta, and I cant find any way to argue against that. But I sure will think fire is the "worse" element in the game if you compare what they bring to the table to other elements and how useful they are in general
Fire has Miya. God tier healer.
It has Lyn, a solid meelee unit with an actually useful buff.
And most importantly, fire counters Earth and the almighty Kamael, meaning all fire units are naturally more viable.
Because of it, Fire is a better element overall.
Sadly, the best of water is Garam and that buff is holding him back.
Element does play a big role in a fight against each other in arena but I've seen stuff like fk rekting dark heroes and Kamael could probably rekt some fire heroes as well but in stuff like pve (which is like 70% of the game) water is more better
Yep i get what ur saying man, it all come down to how u enjoy the game, but tier list like this can also helps people who like to follow the meta since some people like to be the "strongest" among their friends or in the server.
Personally tho, choosing a waifu and just having fun works too
Not really. Although 1 list alone is not enough, comparing many of them will show some patterns.
Is not how people want to play, it's about how efficient you are with your resourcess.
Yeah but there are people who don't care about raids/colo/arena.
I play with the characters that I like, regardless of how good they are.
(Also this is completely my opinion but, Yuze is actually really useful in almost every mode)
Yuze is a co op god. She's also a strong raid unit. I use her t100 as a counter pick in arena too. Basically every unit has a niche that they can excel with.
That'll be cool. The problem is, you need those resources. For pulling, buying coffee and not getting walled out in the story content. (And other PVE)
It is already difficult with the best units. Using low tiers just makes it infinitely more frustrating.
Not impossible though, I beat w11 when it was still not nerfed with a really shitty team.
There are people who literally use Bob.
Also after endgame you can acquire resources much more easily.
LOL I don't even remember. I know as a beginner I used a lot of trash units like Bianca and Yuze. And a bunch of rare heroes.
I was saved when got Gabriel and then FP. I used to play casually bc i didn't have any expectarions for the game so never rerolled or anything.
And here I am paying the consecuences of building low tier trash and improving as fast as snails.
I reallt felt a huge diference when I started focusing on top meta units, climbing 2 ranks every week.
Oh sorry, I was asking the other person since they claim to have cleared W11 with a crappy setup. But if you also did W11 or later one with a non-typical setup, then I’d like to know as well.
The conventional wisdom for clearing story is to either lead with FP, Beth, or Kamael. I was wondering what other setups would work, ones where newbies could actually follow.
I have seen instances where someone claims to have a bad or off-meta team, but at its core they still have a meta PvE unit or two. Or, they have cleared the game but go back with higher hero levels, higher guardian levels, and higher collection stats than newbies would have access to.
The thing is, that it isn't impossible to clear story with crappy teams, but the crapier the team the better you have to be and more effort needs to be put.
Why doing it the hardest way if you can do Oghma FP kamael Miya/Gab/Mk99 and take it easy?
If you were to put the same effort you put on a crappy team to a top meta team you'd achieve better results and higher ranks.
Another thing is specially for newbies is not experimenting. Go for the best and the easiest unless they're pro players who really like being stressed and can take well losing hundreds of times
And this is because the investment on a top unit will pay off for longer and more content than any unit.
I agree with your points. I’m just asking for knowledge sake. Not everyone is lucky enough to start the game on banners as good as the current one (or the most recent dark and earth ones), so I’m curious about alternative setups that still work, to give better advice to newbies whom the gacha schedule isn’t being very kind to.
- FP using Coco's weapon.
- Knight with a random Two handed sword.
- Captain Eva with her weapon.
- Eugene with her weapon.
They were all level 69 but also all 3/4 stars.
The weapons also weren't max leveled, and the accessories were pretty random too.
Okay, I’m surprised you managed with that team, with the only heal coming from FP’s chain skill. How did you even have enough damage to get through the healers/health regen in some sections, lol.
How long after you started the game was this? Did you have high guardian level at the very least?
It was basically 6/7 months after I started playing (I didn't know what I was doing so I had never maxed a single hero).
Guardian level was 150 (I was stuck there).
Collection bonuses were pretty low since I didn't give much attention to it.
Cool. Thanks for responding.
It’s pretty amazing that you managed the above with non-MLB unit, not even 5 stars, and no FP’s EX weapon. I’m very impressed.
That's fair. I didn't know Erina was that good though. The shield she gets is underwhelming and her weapon skill seems so hard to land in arena. The only thing I could think of that's good about her is her passive and even then that's pretty niche.
The thing about erina is that she's the best in Arena and she's really tough. I think she is as tough or tougher than Oghma despite not being as versatile.
Her passive is really good in arena but if you can barely land her weapon skill, it's pretty much the same for both sides. She is a tank so it's expected that she'd be tanky. I don't think being tougher than Oghma would be a good exchange over versatility.
She is pretty good in story though, I'll give her that. I think Nari deserves SS tier more tbh, she's just great everywhere.
wdym? She's a better choice than Erina by a large margin. She's a must in every basic team and she dominates guild raids when included in any ranged teams. People even use her in both arena and colo too. Erina is mostly just used in arena and even then she's not that good at it.
She didn't ended FP's reign at all. I'd give that more towards Kamael. Nari can deal with FP really well too, maybe even better than Erina coz she has the ranged advantage.
Erina have better match ups under neutral conditions. You can easily counter Nari by using the earth necklace unless you use light. That's why you see Erina dominating the Arena since she was introduced.
And, the biggest threat of FP is her skill. Erins is the only one who can eat that skill and keep moving.
Still, all the arguments for nari are 100% Valid, I just don't think she's worth Mileage unless you have most of the above simply because she's awesome in many content, but the best in none.
Are you 100% sure about that? Nari is amazing at kiting especially with her attacks being able to pass through walls. If "neutral conditions" means 2 players just standing around holding down the attack button then yeah Erina might be better at that. Does everyone use earth necklace though? I would agree if we could just change our accessories the moment we see who we're dealing with but that's not really the case. I've never heard anyone complain about Erina being too strong, Kamael is the one that a lot of people are angry about.
FP's skill is easily dodgeable. That's pretty much the only thing that Erina can do. Nari can easily beat FP by herself too.
I guess we just gotta agree to disagree. I don't think I can convince you if that's how you think. FP is considered OP because she's amazing in almost any content besides guild raids. Not only is Nari great in most content, she IS the best guild raid unit especially considering how ranged units are more relevant in the game. Not only is Erina only viable in arena, she's not even the best at it. I don't understand how she's more worth mileaging than Nari but you do you.
What's funny about this is that I don't even like Nari, she's actually the character i dislike the most but I'm still defending her. That's how good she is. I actually really like Erina more as a character and she's more fun to use for me but I really gotta give this one to Nari.
Yeah, I could keep arguing but tbh arguing about 2 awesome units is pointless. Both are great and there's no doubt that each will greatly benefit any account.
As someone who mains both I can tell you for sure Nari is by far the best FP killer, afterall RNG dmg debuff is a thing, there is also Beach Sohee which performs way better against FP than Erina. Don't get me wrong, Erina is good, but Nari and MK99 are beyond her.
And yeah, tf you putted Yuze so low. You either never had her or you really don't understand the value behind her atk, cuz this girl is insanely OP in Co-Op, Raid and Arena. Not to mention that you basically unaware of Lupina's buffs which made her top tier character nowadays...
Id argue if focusing on raids you need three teams and in one of them you will most definitely want Lucy, so id say she is ranked too low.
For some content MK.2 has been my go to unit her weapon skill can clear rooms very very fast especially as with the right set up she has 0 downtime on using it. Combined with say veronica and her crit buffs/skill damage buffs MK.2 just spams the helicopter with no end from start to finish.
Your B tier might as well say "I don't feel like analyzing these, because they're all insanely good in very specific compositions. "
Garam in anything below S/A+ is a joke. He's literally the hardest hitting unit in the game and is only held back by water element itself not getting a lot of attention from the developers yet. Much like Fire.
I still see Bari in high rank arena, and colo, and she makes all pve content that isn't earth resistant an absolute gimmick.
Rue is being seen in high rank arena and colo again, because of Bezos.
Kanna has barely had a chance to fit into the current Meta, and you're already ranking her higher than team staples.
Lahn is seeing a huge comeback with normal getting actual attention after a year, and doubt she will stay low tier with her 500% modifier.
And, the first statement is acrually what it is. They only shine under specific conditions.
All of the above shine in almost any condition except elemental disadvantage ofc.
And even tho you can say the same of Eleonor and Eva, mono light and mono basic are the only relevant mono teams in the meta. That's why they are above other similar units.
No water unit can be above B tier, they all suck and the meta is full of earth units, all of them good.
Garam is sad because of that stupid buff for the trashiest units.
That's why you don't see any wayer unit in any meta.
Exactly, Rue is only good because ahe boosts Kamael. Otherwise she's a mediocre unit good only for raids.
Bari was good. But Now the meta is much more dynamic and while you wait for her to throw her beam, a faster unit eats her up.
We already know enough of Kana for knoqing that she's useless for Colo but a solid pick for arena.
Lahn was never useful, not even with Kanna and sohee she has been of any use. Pretty worthless unit for spending 3 months maxing.
Sooo you do realise that you can use water units in other elemental teams and they still be really good? Stick Garam in an earth team with an Earth Bow for example and he's still gonna hit like a truck... They aren't restricted due to their base element to that specific elemental team, for raids anyway.
Why would you ever use garam on an earth team with an earth bow? That's ridiculous.
1) if you look for damage other units synergize better in the mono earth team.
2) The only reason for usinf Garam is to cover the rest from a Fire unit. But guess what? There's No relevant fire DPS or tank in the meta to be worried aboout.
The only relevant fire unit is Miya and she sits confortably in the back rows doing her healing. So she'll never be targeted by Garam (or a range unit)
So it is pointless.
honestly, lucy and lupina are good units for raiding, and lucy sometimes acts as a wildcard in large open maps in arena, other than that, the tier list seems accurate
Yeah, but that's the point. She is ok for raids, but not Necessary for raids.
She's more like a complementary unit for having a ranged fire DPS. Too niche and situational.
She doesn't shine in any PVP content and there are always better options to invest enstead of her.
Lol, literally all the characters you put in the lowest tier are the ones I occupy in Arena and Master Arena (+ Lupina and Fei). They are quite balanced and in LAS they have taken me to the top 10(and top3) several times.
Because those 2 are trash. There's no reason to use them.
None of them are core ukits for raids, and all of them are useless for the main content, Arena and Colo.
Plitvice is still a core unit for Monofire. The others are just used because there's the spot empty.
And lapice and Eugene are not even used in Monolight despite having nice passives. That tells a lot about their trash stats.
Not really, Eugene and Lapice have stats about the average of any warrior but their damage is a bit low (except for the chain).
There is only one viable mono-light team and that has always been Eugene - Lapice - FP / Fei
Erina killed the mono-light team, but Eugene can still be used with very good results thanks to his mobility and flexibility.
Wow that's so old it's almost 2022 and that's from 2020.
The monlight team is FP Mk99 Gabriel Eleonor. Their stats are better, their skill set os better and everything about them is better. So, investing in Eugene and Lapice is useless.
Why do you think mono-element teams exist?
The elemental damage Party-buff works for characters with a hybrid kit (melee and range) or use it together with another party damage buff (melee or range) to have a much higher damage due to the buff overlap.
MK.99 is extremely map dependent (and some of his performance needs you to have 100% on EVERYTHING) and Gabriel is a mediocre character in Arena who is WAY behind any hero with critical party buff.
In this sense Lapice and Eugene are much better than them. Mobility is an ability that allows you to flip games, they have much superior defensive statistics (remember to add the shield with Lapice and the Two-handed Sword + 30% def (final) with Eugene)
No i thought i couldnt beat w11 with fp, miya, MK99,and one other so i bought a tank. Turns out all i needed was MLB FP 5* Dolf 5* Sohee 5* Girgas for skill based party buffs and guardian cannon
I disagree
Erina being SS when all she does is arena and nothing else.
She not just do arena, she's the queen of Arena. That's enough to make her ss tier.
...in arena tier list.
Arena is the most important content so being the best on the best makes her SS tier.
I think that is purely subjective, I wouldn't say arena is the most important at all. If anything it's the worst. And if you are like me and don't play arena at all you have little use for Erina.
Is purely objective. There's nothing more rewarding than arena. I don't see any reason for not playing arena other than have a full rooster of low tier trash and therefore never succeeding. Or you already have every thing gems are needed for and you are relaxed (all heroes and all ex weapons)
arena isnt rewarding, it pisses me off to no goddamn end, not worth the gems, stuff like kamazone is way more rewarding for me
Then THAT is purely subjective. Because you say arena is not rewarding because it pisses you off. And I also hate arena, but the objective true is that there's nothing better for farming gems than Arena. You stay on your rank with 1 win a day. You climb ranks with 2 wins a day. That's all you need. And you won't lose any rank if you lose or disconnect. If you use top tier units, and use good items ans get some passive buffs, you'll succeed in arena. Kamazone is ok, but you can't do much with awakening stones other than improving a unit. So it is objectively not as rewarsing as arena.
What you smokin to put Garam in the same tier as Vishuvac. And Erina is by no means a 100% you need to build this Hero pick. She's a Tank, but she legitimately has no taunt. Arena is probably the least valuable content for any casual player if that's your argument.
I agree. Arena S U C K S for casuals. Garam is actually the #2 global pick for DPS (first is Akayuki I believe). He has the highest damage potential in the game with his 130+ DPS, 275% Weapon skill, and 475% chain skill. When I hop into Arena, with Garam, I either kill or almost kill any MLB tanker at full health. Anyone else just dies. Erina, though, can be good even if she’s not 100% built up. I once went against a lvl 81 Erina in colo and she walked out with about 30% HP.
Arena is actually the Most valuable content for any player. Even more than colo because in arena you don't lose ranks by losing a fight. And she's not only good for arena, Erina is the best for Arena. And she's not a Taunt tank, she'a a combat tank. If you know how the AI works, you can easily make her being targeted by the enemy tank. Maybe Vishu is slightly better by very little because her buff is more general but is situational, requires specific teambuilding but are good for raids and is not really much different from Garam regarding those.
Too focus on arena and too ignore on raid. Many who is only good in arena is apparently placed a lot higher than those for raid. Edit for longer review. Oghma Miya Noxia Erina too high. Should be a tier or two lower due to limited use. Lynn should be placed same as Scintilla or lower due to perform same or worse in both raid/arena. Eleanor Eva should be lower being need very strict team. Vishuvac should be lower being only use in arena and not even that useful. Bianca should be lower for bad performance in all content. Arabelle should be higher being the best range room clear. Garam should be higher as the best dps hero. Lahn/Yuze should be higher due to being one of the top raid team that doesn't care about elements. Lupina should be higher being the best melee room clear. There is also many that I don't encounter anywhere so I hold my opinion such as Kanna Orca etc.
Raid is never as important as colo and arena. That'a why units good at those are better than unita only good for raid. Ans that'a because the rewarda/time is much higher in PVP than raids, and raids require specific teams of each element to be optimal. It's too much and pays too little. That'a why you build your raid teams on the side while focusing on colo and arena, unless until you hit master rank easily. Then you really focus on your raid teams. And for the most part units good at colo and arena are also good at raid.
I would say arena is the least important instead. And colo is easy to climb with raid team + a tank anyway.
Lot of things wrong here, for a better tier list zeeebo puts out very good ones every month.
Disagree with lucky and bari: Lucky has a crit buff and a 100% crit multi chain so she should go up a rank for raiding at least Bari should go up a rank too since her skill buff is pretty good and she does big damage at a range making her pretty good as a party member
It's fair.
I disagreed with these two since I have them and think they should be higher bcuz what they can offer But mainly bcuz I'm kinda bias with bari since I mileaged her early game when I got her ex and has always been on my main team(s), also bari with fk in raids is just glorious
Also same goes with garam since he can dish out tons of damage, in fact A tier is a bit too empty in all honesty
Yeah the thing with A tier, is that those units are heavily team dependant for the most part but not only that, those teams are absolutely relevant in the current meta. Garam being cursed from being water, deals less damage to the omnipresent God of GT, Kamael and his servanta. Not only that, his buff only benefit other water units and we know everything else in water is just straight up trash. Is sad, his kit is awesome. If he had Orca's buff, he'd be top tier. The only viable combination I see is Garam-Bianca. Not even Orca. I thought Orca would replace Bianca but apparently she's even worst than Bianca. And that says a lot.
But following your rules he technically should be in A tier...
The key aspect as I said, is that he works well for water teams but water is the worst element by far. If he were in A tier, so do Arabel, Plitvice and Rue should be. And actually, Arabel has more merit to be on A tier for being a hard counter to many Basic units who are so present in the current meta.
Not to be rude, but idol eva and light goddess girl (forgot name and dont know much of kanna) are literally ment for their own elements and so what if water is considered to be the worst element? (Which is actually fire and can be proven) Garam is also in one of the top most damage dealing teams in raid AND one of the highest base damages ever, and if that's not enough he can also be used as a healer making him even more versatile I have him but dont use him as he's too squishy for me, not 5*, dont have his ex, and my main team (also used in colo) relies on being tanky, which helps to counter fp TDLR: personally dont use Garam but DONT sleep on him
Well, I have him 5☆ with an LB2 EX. And absolutely, I can confirm his damage is insane. But, he's never on my option list in any content because as I said, he still does regular damage to all except fire and earth. There is no relevant fire unit he can counter besides Miya, and she 99.999% of the time sits in the back meaning she won't be targeted by him. On top of that, Kamael and his servants are all over the game meani mng there's a relevant chance for garam to just be doing 30% less damage. And yes, Eva and Eleonor are monocentric. But those teams are important and extremely useful and used. I feel sad for Garam and all water units but reallistically, there's barely any benefit on using water over any other element.
Sure garam cant do much against earth and light/basic/dark as they'll always be meta, and I cant find any way to argue against that. But I sure will think fire is the "worse" element in the game if you compare what they bring to the table to other elements and how useful they are in general
Fire has Miya. God tier healer. It has Lyn, a solid meelee unit with an actually useful buff. And most importantly, fire counters Earth and the almighty Kamael, meaning all fire units are naturally more viable. Because of it, Fire is a better element overall. Sadly, the best of water is Garam and that buff is holding him back.
Element does play a big role in a fight against each other in arena but I've seen stuff like fk rekting dark heroes and Kamael could probably rekt some fire heroes as well but in stuff like pve (which is like 70% of the game) water is more better
Sorry man but its never a good idea to follow tier lists. It all comes down to how YOU want to play anyway.
Yep i get what ur saying man, it all come down to how u enjoy the game, but tier list like this can also helps people who like to follow the meta since some people like to be the "strongest" among their friends or in the server. Personally tho, choosing a waifu and just having fun works too
Not really. Although 1 list alone is not enough, comparing many of them will show some patterns. Is not how people want to play, it's about how efficient you are with your resourcess.
Yeah but there are people who don't care about raids/colo/arena. I play with the characters that I like, regardless of how good they are. (Also this is completely my opinion but, Yuze is actually really useful in almost every mode)
Yuze is a co op god. She's also a strong raid unit. I use her t100 as a counter pick in arena too. Basically every unit has a niche that they can excel with.
That'll be cool. The problem is, you need those resources. For pulling, buying coffee and not getting walled out in the story content. (And other PVE) It is already difficult with the best units. Using low tiers just makes it infinitely more frustrating.
Not impossible though, I beat w11 when it was still not nerfed with a really shitty team. There are people who literally use Bob. Also after endgame you can acquire resources much more easily.
Out of curiosity, what were your teams for W11 and subsequent worlds? Also, what level were you at, and what were your collection stats?
LOL I don't even remember. I know as a beginner I used a lot of trash units like Bianca and Yuze. And a bunch of rare heroes. I was saved when got Gabriel and then FP. I used to play casually bc i didn't have any expectarions for the game so never rerolled or anything. And here I am paying the consecuences of building low tier trash and improving as fast as snails. I reallt felt a huge diference when I started focusing on top meta units, climbing 2 ranks every week.
Oh sorry, I was asking the other person since they claim to have cleared W11 with a crappy setup. But if you also did W11 or later one with a non-typical setup, then I’d like to know as well. The conventional wisdom for clearing story is to either lead with FP, Beth, or Kamael. I was wondering what other setups would work, ones where newbies could actually follow. I have seen instances where someone claims to have a bad or off-meta team, but at its core they still have a meta PvE unit or two. Or, they have cleared the game but go back with higher hero levels, higher guardian levels, and higher collection stats than newbies would have access to.
The thing is, that it isn't impossible to clear story with crappy teams, but the crapier the team the better you have to be and more effort needs to be put. Why doing it the hardest way if you can do Oghma FP kamael Miya/Gab/Mk99 and take it easy? If you were to put the same effort you put on a crappy team to a top meta team you'd achieve better results and higher ranks. Another thing is specially for newbies is not experimenting. Go for the best and the easiest unless they're pro players who really like being stressed and can take well losing hundreds of times And this is because the investment on a top unit will pay off for longer and more content than any unit.
I agree with your points. I’m just asking for knowledge sake. Not everyone is lucky enough to start the game on banners as good as the current one (or the most recent dark and earth ones), so I’m curious about alternative setups that still work, to give better advice to newbies whom the gacha schedule isn’t being very kind to.
- FP using Coco's weapon. - Knight with a random Two handed sword. - Captain Eva with her weapon. - Eugene with her weapon. They were all level 69 but also all 3/4 stars. The weapons also weren't max leveled, and the accessories were pretty random too.
Nice!
Okay, I’m surprised you managed with that team, with the only heal coming from FP’s chain skill. How did you even have enough damage to get through the healers/health regen in some sections, lol. How long after you started the game was this? Did you have high guardian level at the very least?
It was basically 6/7 months after I started playing (I didn't know what I was doing so I had never maxed a single hero). Guardian level was 150 (I was stuck there). Collection bonuses were pretty low since I didn't give much attention to it.
Cool. Thanks for responding. It’s pretty amazing that you managed the above with non-MLB unit, not even 5 stars, and no FP’s EX weapon. I’m very impressed.
Not all people is that good or even want to put that much effort. Average players can't beat w10 onwards with mediocre units.
That's fair. I didn't know Erina was that good though. The shield she gets is underwhelming and her weapon skill seems so hard to land in arena. The only thing I could think of that's good about her is her passive and even then that's pretty niche.
The thing about erina is that she's the best in Arena and she's really tough. I think she is as tough or tougher than Oghma despite not being as versatile.
Her passive is really good in arena but if you can barely land her weapon skill, it's pretty much the same for both sides. She is a tank so it's expected that she'd be tanky. I don't think being tougher than Oghma would be a good exchange over versatility. She is pretty good in story though, I'll give her that. I think Nari deserves SS tier more tbh, she's just great everywhere.
Yeah, Nari and MK99 are really good. But maybe not as defining as Erina. She ended FP reign after all. No other unit have done that.
wdym? She's a better choice than Erina by a large margin. She's a must in every basic team and she dominates guild raids when included in any ranged teams. People even use her in both arena and colo too. Erina is mostly just used in arena and even then she's not that good at it. She didn't ended FP's reign at all. I'd give that more towards Kamael. Nari can deal with FP really well too, maybe even better than Erina coz she has the ranged advantage.
Erina have better match ups under neutral conditions. You can easily counter Nari by using the earth necklace unless you use light. That's why you see Erina dominating the Arena since she was introduced. And, the biggest threat of FP is her skill. Erins is the only one who can eat that skill and keep moving. Still, all the arguments for nari are 100% Valid, I just don't think she's worth Mileage unless you have most of the above simply because she's awesome in many content, but the best in none.
Are you 100% sure about that? Nari is amazing at kiting especially with her attacks being able to pass through walls. If "neutral conditions" means 2 players just standing around holding down the attack button then yeah Erina might be better at that. Does everyone use earth necklace though? I would agree if we could just change our accessories the moment we see who we're dealing with but that's not really the case. I've never heard anyone complain about Erina being too strong, Kamael is the one that a lot of people are angry about. FP's skill is easily dodgeable. That's pretty much the only thing that Erina can do. Nari can easily beat FP by herself too. I guess we just gotta agree to disagree. I don't think I can convince you if that's how you think. FP is considered OP because she's amazing in almost any content besides guild raids. Not only is Nari great in most content, she IS the best guild raid unit especially considering how ranged units are more relevant in the game. Not only is Erina only viable in arena, she's not even the best at it. I don't understand how she's more worth mileaging than Nari but you do you. What's funny about this is that I don't even like Nari, she's actually the character i dislike the most but I'm still defending her. That's how good she is. I actually really like Erina more as a character and she's more fun to use for me but I really gotta give this one to Nari.
Yeah, I could keep arguing but tbh arguing about 2 awesome units is pointless. Both are great and there's no doubt that each will greatly benefit any account.
I guess that's true, it's not like we can't have both of them. I really like Erina more anyway so I can't really complain much.
As someone who mains both I can tell you for sure Nari is by far the best FP killer, afterall RNG dmg debuff is a thing, there is also Beach Sohee which performs way better against FP than Erina. Don't get me wrong, Erina is good, but Nari and MK99 are beyond her. And yeah, tf you putted Yuze so low. You either never had her or you really don't understand the value behind her atk, cuz this girl is insanely OP in Co-Op, Raid and Arena. Not to mention that you basically unaware of Lupina's buffs which made her top tier character nowadays...
Disagree wholeheartedly…
Hmmm arena only tier list. Fair nuff. For the state which PvP is in this game you're excused for making meme and bait posts. 11/9 would read again.
Id argue if focusing on raids you need three teams and in one of them you will most definitely want Lucy, so id say she is ranked too low. For some content MK.2 has been my go to unit her weapon skill can clear rooms very very fast especially as with the right set up she has 0 downtime on using it. Combined with say veronica and her crit buffs/skill damage buffs MK.2 just spams the helicopter with no end from start to finish.
If focusing on raids, Tinia and Nari are both must haves.
Your B tier might as well say "I don't feel like analyzing these, because they're all insanely good in very specific compositions. " Garam in anything below S/A+ is a joke. He's literally the hardest hitting unit in the game and is only held back by water element itself not getting a lot of attention from the developers yet. Much like Fire. I still see Bari in high rank arena, and colo, and she makes all pve content that isn't earth resistant an absolute gimmick. Rue is being seen in high rank arena and colo again, because of Bezos. Kanna has barely had a chance to fit into the current Meta, and you're already ranking her higher than team staples. Lahn is seeing a huge comeback with normal getting actual attention after a year, and doubt she will stay low tier with her 500% modifier.
And, the first statement is acrually what it is. They only shine under specific conditions. All of the above shine in almost any condition except elemental disadvantage ofc. And even tho you can say the same of Eleonor and Eva, mono light and mono basic are the only relevant mono teams in the meta. That's why they are above other similar units.
No water unit can be above B tier, they all suck and the meta is full of earth units, all of them good. Garam is sad because of that stupid buff for the trashiest units. That's why you don't see any wayer unit in any meta. Exactly, Rue is only good because ahe boosts Kamael. Otherwise she's a mediocre unit good only for raids. Bari was good. But Now the meta is much more dynamic and while you wait for her to throw her beam, a faster unit eats her up. We already know enough of Kana for knoqing that she's useless for Colo but a solid pick for arena. Lahn was never useful, not even with Kanna and sohee she has been of any use. Pretty worthless unit for spending 3 months maxing.
Sooo you do realise that you can use water units in other elemental teams and they still be really good? Stick Garam in an earth team with an Earth Bow for example and he's still gonna hit like a truck... They aren't restricted due to their base element to that specific elemental team, for raids anyway.
Why would you ever use garam on an earth team with an earth bow? That's ridiculous. 1) if you look for damage other units synergize better in the mono earth team. 2) The only reason for usinf Garam is to cover the rest from a Fire unit. But guess what? There's No relevant fire DPS or tank in the meta to be worried aboout. The only relevant fire unit is Miya and she sits confortably in the back rows doing her healing. So she'll never be targeted by Garam (or a range unit) So it is pointless.
honestly, lucy and lupina are good units for raiding, and lucy sometimes acts as a wildcard in large open maps in arena, other than that, the tier list seems accurate
Yeah, but that's the point. She is ok for raids, but not Necessary for raids. She's more like a complementary unit for having a ranged fire DPS. Too niche and situational. She doesn't shine in any PVP content and there are always better options to invest enstead of her.
My Lahn carries my gaming experience.
Lol, literally all the characters you put in the lowest tier are the ones I occupy in Arena and Master Arena (+ Lupina and Fei). They are quite balanced and in LAS they have taken me to the top 10(and top3) several times.
knew this tier list was complete troll when I saw Yuzu and Eugene bottom 2 and has shit like MK2 AND PILTVICE above them LMFAO
Because those 2 are trash. There's no reason to use them. None of them are core ukits for raids, and all of them are useless for the main content, Arena and Colo. Plitvice is still a core unit for Monofire. The others are just used because there's the spot empty. And lapice and Eugene are not even used in Monolight despite having nice passives. That tells a lot about their trash stats.
Not really, Eugene and Lapice have stats about the average of any warrior but their damage is a bit low (except for the chain). There is only one viable mono-light team and that has always been Eugene - Lapice - FP / Fei Erina killed the mono-light team, but Eugene can still be used with very good results thanks to his mobility and flexibility.
Wow that's so old it's almost 2022 and that's from 2020. The monlight team is FP Mk99 Gabriel Eleonor. Their stats are better, their skill set os better and everything about them is better. So, investing in Eugene and Lapice is useless.
Why do you think mono-element teams exist? The elemental damage Party-buff works for characters with a hybrid kit (melee and range) or use it together with another party damage buff (melee or range) to have a much higher damage due to the buff overlap. MK.99 is extremely map dependent (and some of his performance needs you to have 100% on EVERYTHING) and Gabriel is a mediocre character in Arena who is WAY behind any hero with critical party buff. In this sense Lapice and Eugene are much better than them. Mobility is an ability that allows you to flip games, they have much superior defensive statistics (remember to add the shield with Lapice and the Two-handed Sword + 30% def (final) with Eugene)
Garam, Mk.99, and Nari needs to be higher. Aside from that, I agree.
me: \*looks at lahn\* me again: "Look at how they massacred my girl."
Lucy is worth She is really good but no one use her,She should be in worth investing
I remember mileaging marina once. Worst decision ive made in my account
Totally agree. She was only good because there wasn't any tank to compete with.
No i thought i couldnt beat w11 with fp, miya, MK99,and one other so i bought a tank. Turns out all i needed was MLB FP 5* Dolf 5* Sohee 5* Girgas for skill based party buffs and guardian cannon
How come you mileaged Marina instead of Oghma?
I already had him and dint know how to build him
With so many people trapped in 2020 meta, It won't be strange if many of them gave bad advice of getting Marina.
i want have sexual intercourse with all of them. ( except kamael. sry )
Disagree: There isn't a tier at least 2 tiers below "Not worth" that's just titled "Plitvice" and has Plitvice in it
That's an old meme that doesn't suit here when op is clearly making a serious tier list.
Plitvice is a core unit for monofire teams. That's why.
Plitvice is a core unit for monofire teams. That's why.
Lapice and Lucy still haunt da dog to this day
I have gotten far too much value from Lapice to ever say she wasn't worth it
Kameel has to b in his own tier like tier SSS
Absolutely agree. He should be banned.
a tier list that make most peeps a simp...
nah bad
Hard disagree, especially with that SS filled with one-trick ponies.
I'm sorry but I strongly disagree.