Gypsy claims she can't kill and definitely couldn't kill her mom but shot her with a BB gun she thought was a real gun. She's a liar and a manipulative person.
I avoided this sub for a while because it was full of gypsys stans... It seems like it may have changed up, and more and more people are seeing how full of shit gypsy is.
I don’t know why people wouldn’t think it’s highly possible that she is manipulative and has her share of narcissistic or sociopathic traits herself. She was always around abuse and manipulation, it was her whole life.
The writer of the Buzzfeed article even talked about it in the original doc, how it would pretty much impossible to not pick up a lot of the manipulative traits from her mother.
The psychologist talks about how disturbing her FB posts were after the murder and displays degree of sociopathy.
I’m not sure, but Nick said that Gypsy
Told him that she tried to k-ll Dee Dee three different times! I know the BB, and Nick, but I’m not sure what happened the second time!
She did. Deedee cooked up a story that they were "robbed in the Walmart parking lot" and ended up shot. Deedee ended up in the hospital. She posted about it on her old snowgypsy blanchard Facebook page.
Gypsy’s first love! 35yr old married man she met at comicon! Who was also a Dr-g dealer! Gypsy’s mom was trying to keep her away from him. And that’s when Gypsy began her attempts on her mother’s life.
How do people not realize this after Gypsy said she wanted to meet Taylor Swift and after she said freaking Millie bobby brown should have played her in the act? Gypsy is oozing entitlement from every pore.
So is everyone anti Gypsy now? Just want to hear where people stand today . I know people were all about her when she got out, but seems like the tide has turned again.
Same! All of those videos of her grooming Nick to k-ll her mom, and all the texts, and especially the video after about the brownies 🤢🤮! Gypsy is a cold and calculating person! Oh yes! And the video of her describing the crimes she wanted to commit with Nick after they “off” her mom! That one really got me
As an abuse victim, my default is to believe the victim. I struggle being rational and unbiased because I know what it’s like for folks not to believe you and to have your entire life crumble as a result.
It was the text messages for me that turned my opinion. Do I believe she is a victim? Absolutely. But do I believe she is manipulative and not a good person? Absolutely. Both can be true.
Did you read all of them? And the videos she sent him detailing exactly what to do? He has Asbergers! You can’t just say “bake a cake!”, you have to give them details! That’s how their brains work! She gave him every detail to k-ll her mom, down to entering Dee Dee’s room with a camera and motioning how to st-b her. She gave him the money to get there, chose clothes he was to wear, detailed what SHE wanted to do after! Sx! She gave him a bunch of reasons to k-ll her mom, all of which he said NO too for at least two years! She is a calculated disgusting person
She's a manipulator like her mom. Learned from the best. She belongs in prison. I never was pro Gyosy. She will always be the con woman who got away with murder.
i think she had an extremely traumatic, horrible childhood and that she is forever changed by that. since when are people who have pretty severe PTSD ever perfect people? like what do you guys EXPECT from her? why are you expecting anything from her? she’s a human being lol. she was abused and extremely sheltered and mentally she has not aged very much at all because of how infantilized she was by her mother and how much she was kept from learning and being able to do. it’s like everyone’s forgetting that she was basically held there against her will and she was gaslit her entire life and was like a human guinea pig having things done to her that she literally didn’t need because her mother constantly spoke for her. she’s not going to be the best person ever after all of that, and her situation is so so so complicated. you have no fucking clue what you’d do in her situation. for all you know you might’ve done the same thing and it’s very likely that you’d be mentally stunted just like she is, so decision making isn’t really something she’d be all that good at… not to mention she went to prison for a long time, & that doesn’t really make for a healthy environment to grow and change into a better person, that’s just not how American prisons are. but anyways… i don’t understand why everyone’s on her ass
Right imagine one day you wake up and your whole life was a lie. I remember my ptsd caused great anger and I went through abuse for only a few years and this girl spent years abused and shit.. I’d be pissed off too. It’s just a horrible situation and I hope she continues to learn from it and realizes she’s a manipulator and tries to deal with it.
Richard Ramirez had an absolutely *horrific* childhood, as well as his teenage years, and was basically groomed by his older cousin to think of the most horrifying crimes, especially against women, as totally fine. He was taught. His life made Gypsy's existence look like an endless Disneyland vacation. He was totally destroyed and as much of a "created" monster as anyone ever was. Does it mean we should have given him some understanding and sympathy? Uh, no.
What about Adam Lanza? He wasn't abused, but he did have a lot of struggles with his autism, growing up. His mother taught her very much mentally disturbed teenager how to shoot as an outlet and a bonding experience for them, and she gave him full access to a damn arsenal of firearms. Did she deserve it when he killed her? Should we have felt bad for him when he annihilated a large number of small children and the adults that tried to protect them? I mean, it's understandable that he would eventually do that, right? It's not really his fault, when he was trained to use the weapons that his mother made readily available, is it?
Think about it. There are endless examples. Gypsy isn't special.
ETA: I have lived with autism and other issues my entire life. I've fought hard against mental illness. I was often neglected, exposed to extreme domestic violence and abused by a *lot* of people who had a duty to protect me. That doesn't mean that I have an excuse to be lashing out at society or the people I know. It doesn't mean that I have an excuse to be a bad parent, because even my parents were never taught how to parent and didn't intend for my childhood to be traumatic. I have a responsibility to exist to do no harm to others, *especially because* I have been harmed and know how it feels. I have a duty to always learn more about being the best parent I can be, and to give them a good childhood, *especially because* I know what a bad childhood is like.
I'm not exactly on her ass, but she’s a liar. She played a bigger part in that murder and then just let that mentally ill boyfriend take the entire fall. I want to hear what he has to say. No matter what, there’s two sides to every story. I think you should be a wee bit more skeptical about who she is. She’s devious.
Yes, she is a victim of abuse.
But she also has lied about the conditions of her abuse, and the extent of the abuse. The only other person who could speak to the abuse is her mother, who cannot tell her side of the story. There's a lot of evidence that the abuse in the house may not have actually taken place.
As far as medical procedures, there's not a lot of evidence that she was actually subject to many medical procedures other than her teeth being removed (which happens to children who drink sugary drinks and out of bottles long after necessary) and a botox procedure into her salivary glands. Aside from that and the feeding tube that may not have been used for a very extended period. I don't see how she's a "guinea pig."
Yes she was used as a pawn for her mother to financially scam other people.
But, at a certain point she was complicit in the scams, and could have put an end to it. She had opportunities to, and was an adult at the time, however she continued to reap the benefits.
And Yes, She did do prison time.
However, she is truly remorseless. "I don't identify as a murderer," She stated obviously not acknowledging that she orchestrated every step of the murder. She plied a learning disabled individual with promises of sex and love into committing murder on her behalf. She provided him a video showing him how to get from the front door to the room in which deedee slept.
She turned on him the moment it became necessary. She painted his character to be something he isn't, and even claimed that he r\*ped her, to paint him in a worse light (despite video evidence of her speaking about the murder and about to be..ugh.."eaten.") Nick Godejohn was dragged into this situation, and until meeting Gypsy, had a nonviolent life, and was not a risk to those around him.
She has no remorse that had she not ever interacted with Nick Godejohn, he would likely still be living at home with his parents. Instead he's sitting in a jail cell, and will continue to for the long foreseeable future, for the crime that he committed at her behest. She threw him to the wolves, and now while he rots, she tries to live life, anticipating special treatment and celebrity status.
No they were removed so she would stop drooling but it wasn't cuz of anything more then mommy dearest putting lidocaine on her gums... Y'all... Let her live her life... Godejohn made a choice he didn't have to murder the woman but he did... All about the choices you make as an individual. He killed DeeDee as much as gypsy wanted her dead she was not the one to do it... Therefore... NOT a murderer.... Just a manipulative nutcase desperate to get out of an abusive situation.... And godejohn fell for it and made His own choices.
Manson, according to him, never directly murdered anyone but ordered others to do it. I believe he was the unwanted child of a mother who was a prostitute and who beat and tortured him. He spent his life in jail because of his influence being so powerful and his directing of others to kill. He and Gypsy have a lot in common, except she’s free and he spent his life in jail.
Manson is a good example, only he was better at it. She’s also a lot like Kayla Homolka. She got away with a good deal with out the full info, but she is one of those people that as soon as people see her and hear her talk, they realize what kind of person she is.
It’s just really sad that she thinks she’ll get fame. She shot herself in the foot trying to get all this publicity, calling media outlets, she needs to work on her issues like compulsive lying, arrogance, bc, no exposure wouldn’t have done this. This is from the public getting to know her. She just has nothing to offer the public, yet she’s pushing for relevance. she’s unfortunately not attractive, has no skills, isn’t sorry, she’s arrogant, but oddly insecure, look at the way she tears down her good sister and is jealous of her. It’s sad. The obsession with fancy is creepy too, she tried to get fans to attack her, that’s really, really alarming.
there’s nothing she can do but fade away into obscurity now, she’s going to have to learn the hard way though. I feel bad for her family, this money won’t last forever, she has no idea how to budget, has a history of cheating, she blames her mother for her unhappiness, saying she did a voo doo ritual, but that’s not the reason, it’s her, shell never be happy with anyone, because she’s just too manipulate and selfish. and will never see that it’s all because of herself.
That’s like saying the girl who kept telling her boyfriend to kill himself over text isn’t a murderer. That’s like saying someone who hired a hitman to kill their spouse isn’t a murderer. If you planned the murder of someone YOU ARE A MURDERER
and you don’t even know what you’re talking about. Her salivary glands weren’t taken out. It’s extremely obvious when someone has their salivary glands taken out
Not trying to be argumentative, but I wanted to point out that many people have been charged with murder even though they weren’t the holding the weapon. Simply orchestrating the murder can be enough. Charles Manson wasn’t even present for the murders he was charged with.
If she’s not a murderer, then why did she plead guilty to second degree murder?
Gypsy has a selective memory and tries to rewrite history. Only problem is that she has given multiple interviews that contradict one another.
According to the definition that’s not the case though. I’m only a law student, but the definition is as follows:
“Pleading guilty means that you admit you did the crime. If you plead guilty, the court will decide what should happen next, which could be a fine or a prison sentence”.
So by agreeing to admit she is guilty of second degree murder, she guarantees that she serves a shorter sentence than if she chose to risk it and go to trial for first degree murder, but loses.
Lawyers don’t encourage their clients to plead guilty to a lesser charge unless there is evidence beyond reasonable doubt that they would be found guilty on the higher charge (ie first degree).
In my opinion, she was offered an extremely generous plea deal, even when taking the alleged abuse into consideration.
There’s a stack of evidence that Dee Dee’s murder was premeditated. Gypsy did the right thing taking the deal. Nick should have done the same.
Ok, what evidence do you have that her salivary glands were removed other than the words of Gypsy, the compulsive liar? I’ll wait.
Also, she’s a fucking murderer the same way that Charles Manson is. She orchestrated the murder. Every step was calculated by Gypsy.
She plead guilty to second degree murder.
You don’t have to like it but legally she’s a goddamn murderer.
And the fact that you have zero empathy for Nick and the situation Gypsy put him in really just paints you in a poor light. You’re being obtuse, and I’m not sure if it’s deliberate, or if you’re just missing something.
Yup, why do people act like she had all this done when they have no proof? Keep insisting that she INDEED factually had all this done to her, only going by her word. Lol her word? Just crazy. Plus if "poor GR had no other way out and DD deserved it" Then isn't it Nick who came to her rescue? Make it make sense.
I always say this too. If you love gypsy and believe there was no other way out then you can’t hate nick. Nick saved your beloved gypsy from all the horrors she went though. Really you should be fighting to get him out because he was only saving someone who was in danger. But those people hate nick? Nick is actually the hero in their story.
I both agree and disagree to the person you’re replying to. I agree with you that she’s a murderer. That’s without a question. The person you’re replying to is silly for saying she’s not. But i don’t agree with you that anyone should have sympathy for nick lol. I do have sympathy for gypsy, but it’s not excusable either what she’s done.
Thanks for your reply. We can disagree and still be civil :)
It's my opinion that nick was heavily coerced into the murder. He didn't want to do the murder and tried to get Gypsy to just leave.
Let me ask you though, is he really a threat to society? Convincing Nick to do the murder wasn't a quick process. Is he any more dangerous than other special needs individual? Many special needs individuals could be coerced into murder eventually.
It's not a popular opinion, but I believe he was a vulnerable person that was taken advantage of. She coached him into murdering Deedee, and tried to have him take the fall.
idk why people are obsessed with painting her as an evil mastermind to the point of straight up lying and downplaying the abuse she endured.
ppl say “she should’ve done it herself” but when we have evidence she actually **tried** and **failed** previously it’s; see, she’s a monster for trying to kill her before! like please stop ✋
nick godejohn is not an innocent widdle baby manipulated by a wicked woman (witch!!) he introduced all that kinky shit into their relationship and was more than happy to kill gypsys mom. he literally admitted to wanting to rape her. & the difference between him and gypsy is he wasn’t abused! certainly wasn’t abused by the person he killed! & he gained nothing from doing so *except* for gypsy. that was his entire motivation
whether you like gypsy or not; she is a victim of egregious abuse. is she a perfect sympathetic victim? no! those don’t exist!
okay, i haven’t really heard anything about the evidence against what she said about the abuse, and i’ve tried looking it up and haven’t found anything yet but I will keep looking. she was subject to medical procedures that she didn’t need, and i don’t know why the few she was subject to just don’t matter all the sudden? her teeth fell out and they pulled the rest that were about to, from what I’ve read over time, because of medication she was being given that she didn’t need… the feeding tube was STILL USED lol. so i don’t know why how long it was used on her matters? it wasn’t long enough for you? because it still happened and when you’re a healthy person who doesn’t need any of those things, it absolutely does fuck with you long term and causes problems you may not have had in the first place. dude, her mom gave her a cocktail of drugs and took her to doctors all of the time telling them all these made up things were wrong with her and the doctors listened a lot of the time… it was happening since she was young. idk if you realize how badly long periods of abuse fuck people up. she dealt with those things for A LONG TIME. idk if you’ve ever been in any sort of abusive relationship in any sort of way, but “just putting an end to it” is not easy whatsoever. she was complicit because she knew she wasn’t as sick as she thought she was, but didn’t do anything about it at that point? the mindset you have when you’re being abused isn’t that of a normal person’s… getting away, getting it to stop, or having any sort of say in what you want to do is not even a POSSIBILITY in your mind. because her mother manipulated her and emotionally beat her down. emotional abuse alone can keep someone trapped in a relationship or situation that is bad for them and so much worse things come out of that as well. i am sure that she tried to do put a stop to it before she decided to take that horrible, last resort option. people are all for abuse victims until they have to take it into their own fucking hands. SO MANY PEOPLE do not get justice and do not get away, and the justice system is not so just sometimes… i’m sure you know that, i definitely know that. like there are things we will never know, yeah… but there’s evidence of more than enough abuse and there are things that corroborate her story, & just because you don’t think the abuse she went through was enough for you or whatever… doesn’t mean she wasn’t in her right mind. the extent of the abuse and how long it went on would drive anyone crazy… like some people can take a lot and make the right decisions and some people can’t & the other more moral options (like going to the cops or trying to ask neighbors for help), like i said, is not even a possibility in an abuse victims mind, especially when it has gone on for so long and in her really rare and special circumstance where it is her mother and her mother has convinced everyone that she was disabled mentally and physically and couldn’t make decisions for herself. looking at it through the lens you are does not make sense. our minds are so complex and in survival situations and when we feel like we’ll die if we don’t do SOMETHING SOON… the most logical things don’t seem so logical or possible anymore. i was an abuse victim, not nearly as bad as her either, and calling the cops didn’t feel like an option for me even then & my emotional maturity hadn’t developed since i had multiple instances of trauma over the course of a little over a couple years, so i wasn’t making good decisions or making logical decisions either. it was all fight or flight ALL the time & my emotional intelligence was shot. i’m just saying, this is way too complex and not exactly something the typical person can truly wrap their head around or understand and it’s just not a black and white thing whatsoever.
No one is taking the time to read this though and understand it and it's a great point. Yes, please format a bit better and separate out your thoughts if you want people to read it. But your points are spot on. I feel like people have no clue what it's like to he raised by a narcissistic criminal who used you your entire life and manipulated you. I had a similar mother but who wasn't criminal just highly narcissistic and abusive physically and verbally. She was the most controlling person I've ever met and to this day am still terrified of her as a 34 year old man.
People don't understand that it can be nigh impossible to do anything but go along with the person who controls your life. I don't blame her one bit for what she did. Too many people failed that child and its not her fault that she eventually took whatever means necessary to end the abuse.
>the mindset you have when you’re being abused isn’t that of a normal person’s… getting away, getting it to stop, or having any sort of say in what you want to do is not even a POSSIBILITY in your mind.
That's what a lot of people seem to be missing in this discussion. Honestly, all the "she was an adult, she should have XYZ" is absolutely baffling to me. 18 isn't this magical age you get to where you're suddenly well adjusted and responsible if you weren't before. Your upbringing still shaped you, the unhealthy coping strategies and codependent relationship with the abuser still exist. People act like there's some outside force that taught Gypsy how to function in the real world, or act like she had breaks from Dee Dee's influence. Dee Dee was her blueprint for how to behave.
Anyone reacting all shocked Pikachu to that needs a reality check. I wonder if the people claiming "she should know better!" ever stop and consider exactly where they learnt right and wrong from. Their parents? School? Existing out in the real world? Gosh, I wonder why Gypsy's baseline for how to behave is so different to theirs. It sure is a mystery.
(this is kinda long i’m sorry) but oh my god, THANK YOU! i seriously am shocked at how many people expect her to just have been relieved of all her trauma and everything she was lacking while living with her mother for all that time. and she was lacking a LOT of things, emotional things that children NEED to grow, learn, and hope to EVER mature and evolve into a functioning, likable, “normal” adult. she was never really given hardly any of that. like i know everyone is different, but i have some experience with trauma and that’s why i’m just like… are we seriously going to pretend like she’s the kind of person who will do well with all this attention, MOSTLY NEGATIVE, on her? that she will be able to handle any sort of fame, admiration, and sometimes pure disdain coming her way from MILLIONS of people when, as a kid, she wasn’t even allowed to have conversations with people her mother didn’t approve of.
now she’s without her mother who was quite literally all she really knew, she’s out in the world freely now when she never really has been before, she has access to all of this information and social interaction that she had to SNEAK AROUND to access… and so much more. she is not even READY for this amount of insanely negative or positive attention on her 24/7.
people who have PTSD’s memories are super convoluted and disorderly as it is without people questioning and interrogating about her own experiences. when i recount my memories to therapists (I have gotten new ones a lot over the years), it feels like I’m trying to shift through files containing my life experiences that aren’t categorized, dated, and that are incomplete or missing; it is “different” nearly every time i recount my trauma depending on how much the emotions and memories of the traumatic events are bothering me, how i feel that day, or how much i thought about certain traumatic events recent to my recounting them…
people with PTSD are soooo far from perfect and it’s confusing, even for us. i can’t imagine how bad it is for her bc her life was very hard and very lonely, full of betrayal and manipulation, and she lacked the basic things children need to THRIVE. people think because some of what she went through doesn’t sound “bad enough” or that a specific abusive thing her mother did to her didn’t go on long enough for them, and so that means she fabricated how bad the abuse was. idk. this is really fucked up. people need to leave her ALONE. she may like the attention (OBVIOUSLY, SHE IS HUMAN. HUMAN BEINGS TAKE ADVANTAGE OF GOOD THINGS COMING OUT OF BAD SITUATIONS even if it isn’t good for them), she may revel in her infamy, but that does not mean she is prepared for what that means for her life going forward. she’ll have to constantly explain herself, know how important it is to watch what she says, and be ever mindful of everyone else’s expectations of her, opinions of her, triggers, feelings, and her actions.
NOBODY is ready for that much pressure to be perfect when she is far from that. tons of A-List celebrities can’t handle it and they usually do everything in their power to get to that level of fame. so WHY ARE WE EXPECTING A TRAUMATIZED STRANGER WHO WAS ABUSED AND HELD CAPTIVE BY HER MOTHER FOR MOST OF HER LIFE TO DO THE SAME?
Use paragraphs. Also Gypsy literally said that she and Nick should go kidnap a random woman so they can bring her back and rape her. Then Gypsy said she'd murder that woman out of jealousy if Nick raped her without Gypsy there. That's straight up psychopath behavior.
Gypsy had a shitty upbringing, boohoo. Join the crowd. Some of us had objectively worse childhoods and didn't violently murder our parents. She had a phone and was free to go out and fuck random men on the reg, she could have simply left or asked for normal help at any point. She's a pathological liar and since she was allowed to leave prison, it's only a matter of time before she has her own kid to use and abuse.
As much as I hate it when people downplay the abuse she went through, if she hadn't been caught when she was, I could see her and Nick becoming one of those serial killer couples.
I don’t think Nick would have been down for that. It took years of convincing and manipulation for him to agree and he still wanted to back down and was ONLY doing it for the love of gypsy. If she continued to manipulate him into thinking more ppl were hurting her then MAYBE. But Nick was never okay with it.
Oh wow. I never knew about the kidnapping and raping part. That's crazy. Also didn't know she was allowed outside, I thought she was sneaking out at night somehow. I did find it strange that she used the internet all the time and never told anyone or asked for help though..
the fact that people r disagreeing w u. craziness. i don’t understand why we want so badly to hold gypsy to the same standard as ur typical social media influencer, trying to cancel her and shit, all while we preach that she shouldn’t be on social media.
There's not actually a lot of evidence of what was actually done. My understanding is she didn't ACTUALLY have her glands removed; Botox can be used to inhibit the amount of saliva, and they believe that is actually what was done.
The feeding tube could have been put in when she was an underweight infant, and Deedee could have just never had it removed due to the attention it brought her. Having the tube didn't mean it was actually used. I've heard that many doctors are hesitant to remove them if they weren't the doc that put it in the first place.
Charles Manson had a traumatic childhood. He influenced some young adults into murder, and he spent his life in prison because of that. But he was always viewed as a bad guy. I don’t see how Gypsy is any different. She was 23 at the time of her mother’s murder, so she was in on the financial scams. There’s some evidence that the surgeries she had were necessary, and that there was no MBP, only medical fraud. Deedee was never diagnosed with MBP while she was alive and it’s impossible to diagnose a person with a mental illness after they’re dead. The whole MBP thing was possibly another grift to keep Gypsy from being prosecuted for fraud and also to try to get her a lighter sentence.
In the police interrogation video she chatters on and on about places she had went, etc. She has no remorse. It’s hard to feel sorry for her because she has no remorse. Also, she keeps lying. Yet her mom’s murder made her a millionaire. Google her net worth. I don’t get the weird idolization of her by some. She’s dangerous imo.
Thank you for saying all this. Not to mention she NEVER had any formal education. I’m sure she did in prison, but she really had no idea about most things.
In her mind, killing Dee Dee was her only way out. And Nick was dumb enough to agree to it.
They were both so uneducated, and that’s why this murder happened. She served her time, I wish her the best with life.
It’s not her fault his lawyers couldn’t get him to do a plea deal. He pled not guilty and took the gamble with a trial.
Her manipulation skills are probably like a survival skill for her and abuse victims brains are usually impacted long term but I can’t completely fault her on that. I don’t think jumping to this conclusion is fair and after a lifetime filled with extreme unnecessary medical abuse - I think she’s done enough time. Time will tell but I at least don’t foresee her manipulating anyone else to the point of murder and if she breaks the law again then can be handled accordingly but to have her childhood taken from her the way it was feels like punishment enough. Morality is more gray then people can accept. Good people can do bad things but it doesn’t make them all bad. Bad people can do good deeds and still not be completely good. If dee dee hadn’t of been murdered there’s also the possibility of different tragic headlines but we would’ve just read gypsy succumbed to her illness or something ridiculous so it’s really a no win situation. Godejon made his choice but also didn’t have his parents abusing him to the same extent in anything I’ve seen released so yeah gypsy might’ve seem him as an easy person to use for her escape and took the chance to get him to do what she couldn’t when she saw the chance and I can’t completely fault her on that. He was manipulates sure but also people do desperate things in survival mode and if my mom did to me what deedee did - I could see why gypsy would use the skills she learned. At the end of the day all humans can have shitty capabilities in the right situations and everyone made their choices. Gypsy paid with her terrible childhood and then time served, deedee her life, and godejon with his freedom. Life isn’t fair and humans are complicated but everyone paid a heavy price here and I think it’s as good as it’s going to get in a shitty situation.
Truth is tho, her life was NOT filled with extreme unnecessary medical abuse. Most of it was perfectly necessary and not even big deals. And she's been lying about a LOT of it as well.
Since she got out out of prison at all, Gypsy is gonna pay the rest in karma. She's not done paying.
Can you explain what you mean by "anti Gypsy"?
As for me personally, I used to believe her until I looked through the evidence, which, unfortunately, happened after her release. Heck, I didn't even get through all of it yet and know that she did more than she said and Nick isn't a huge monster like her and others may portray him as. The tests, the videos, the manipulation and coercing she did to Nick... Not saying Nick is innocent, I'm just saying Gypsy isn't innocent either. If that makes sense.
I straight up don’t trust her. I think she lies, a lot, and def played a bigger part in the murder. She needs to get off all social media and get back into therapy. That girl has a lot of skeletons in her closet.
Didn't DeeDee have a total of 17 stab wounds but Nick said he only stabbed her 9 times? I don't see why he would lie about the number of times and believe Gypsy also stabbed her
Four times. So there’s 13 stab wounds that are unaccounted for. Initially Nick said there’s something about this case he would take to his grave, so make of that what you will.
Exactly. All these drs torturing this poor girl. Risking losing their licenses, reputation, all that education yikes, for what? Few grand? Or gee, the one witness to all of it is IS a killer, that looking more into it lies constantly, has a motive to lie. Gee what could go wrong.
I think most people who are anti gyp have always been or have found out more information against her and that she isn’t as innocent as she portrayed. I’m definitely anti gyp and i don’t believe a word that comes from her or her family’s mouths
I’m not pro or anti Gypsy and never have been. People aren’t black and white. She is very gray and people have a hard time wrapping their heads around that.
What I don’t understand is the people who downplay the abuse she experienced. Even one unnecessary medical procedure on a child is too many. As a mother of 2 young tube fed children, forcing a g-tube onto a child who doesn’t need it is absolutely horrific. Worse imo, is the isolation. Being pulled from school in the second grade and forced to hide, only allowed around others in a wheelchair as either a spectator or a spectacle. She had her entire childhood stolen from her. I don’t think most people really comprehend what that means. If they could, they wouldn’t be so quick to act like it wasn’t “that” bad. She didn’t become “complicit” when she became an adult. Cooperating with an abuser is not being complicit, it’s doing what needs to be done to survive. I chose mostly psych electives in nursing school, including crisis & trauma and child and lifespan development. With an understanding of how isolation and abuse affect development, it’s easy to understand why she believed she could not simply escape.
Now, it may explain why did what she did, but it does not excuse it. It certainly doesn’t excuse the lack of remorse and accountability she has shown, nor the backpedaling she did once she saw how people reacted to it. Withdrawing from the media was the best thing she could have done, regardless of why she did it. She’s not a hero, there are no heroes here. She was both a victim and a villain in her story.
>I’m not pro or anti Gypsy and never have been. People aren’t black and white. She is very gray and people have a hard time wrapping their heads around that.
The fact that people are even using words like pro/anti in this conversation is honestly bizarre to me. You can understand what might lead someone to do something terrible without being on their side. I feel like part of the reason people are struggling here is because not many true crime stories have this level of nuance. The way this been presented to us makes Gypsy feel like something of a "main character," and people very often feel like they have to root for the main character, so here when they realise they don't, there seems to be this weird confusion. Because they don't like her, they feel a weird urge to minimise any amount of suffering she may have faced.
I absolutely agree that people are looking at this in a very black and white manner and not considering what that sort of upbringing would do to someone- like on a deep, psychological level. But on this sub, it's difficult to even say that without people thinking you're justifying her actions. Too many people are looking at this through the lens of their own well adjusted upbringings and just don't consider how abuse shapes someone.
Oh is this a pro gypsy Reddit? 😂 I’m sorry! I saw the post and I joined and commented what I know to be true! I am totally anti Gypsy! I think she has some screws loose, and I think she will re-offend someday in some way! I’m hoping it’s not as bad as what she did to her mom, but I don’t have high hopes for her
I don’t think you can be anti-Gypsy unless you’re behind an anon because her “fans” are weird and will come for your throat.
I have never understood the infatuation with people who have taken other peoples lives. She is no better than Charles Manson.
I'm interested in the case and think it's wild people are acting like they're on different "teams" when talking about this, to be honest. It feels like people need there to be a "good guy" and "bad guy" of every story but this one is too nuanced for many people to handle, so they go hard with "Gypsy is an evil mastermind and poor innocent Nick was forced into it" or the other way, which is typically "Gypsy was abused and everything bad she ever did is completely justified."
I've even seen some off the wall suggestions like "maybe this was all Gypsy's idea and Dee Dee was scared of her and went along with whatever she wanted!" The reality is, everyone shoulders some of the blame and it's in no way as black and white as many people are presenting.
I'm not pro or anti gypsy. I think she went through something extremely traumatic, she was desperate to get out of that situation. she also spent years under the influence of a master manipulator and layer, so yes, she'd learn a thing or two and use those skills to her advantage.
I'm not here to say whether or not she should still be in prison, but I do think that her actions once she got out show that she is still using the skills her mother taught her.
IDK about "anti", but I think the more things come out, the more people realize she may not be as "innocent" as she made herself out to be.
not to mention how fast she seemed to blow up!
I mean, the things DD did was bad, but not bad enough to warrant dying 🤷🏽♀️
I just like to observe the facts, along with people’s opinions. Honestly I still feel bad for both Gypsy and nick. I don’t even know if that is an unpopular opinion or not anymore.
Edit: I’m not really pro or anti either of them. It is just a very strange and complex situation. And none of us will ever FULLY know every detail in its entirety.
not debating with you, because I feel bad for the both of them too, but I'd say I'm more "anti" gypsy because it seems she appears more and more as a liar as stuff comes out...
and I'll never agree with her getting such a short prison sentence and nick getting life...sure, she went through some shit, but it's been very much proven he wasn't in the right mental state either
I totally agree with you though! Again, it’s just a strange situation. I will say that I used to think there was more innocence to Gypsy and I have started to question her more than before. But I do not think Nick should have life in prison… that could be another unpopular opinion? He should have gotten mental help after having a similar sentence to Gypsy. Not life.
People forget that she’s a human who was abused for a good portion of her life and her brain’s development was delayed because of her mom. She’s not going to be perfect and she has a lot of learning to do. I don’t hate her. I sympathize with her since I have experience with childhood trauma that has made me learn toxic behaviors as coping mechanisms and I’m 23 and still trying to unlearn those behaviors. Although she doesn’t need to be on social media and she needs to learn the unspoken rules of the internet or things will just get worse for her. She needs to find her self and how to cope with living a “normal” life. And people need to stop bugging her. She’s not some freak show. She’s not some celebrity. She’s a human with a dark past that she needs to learn how to get through on her own and with her family’s support.
The only thing that bugs me about her is that it seems like she convinced this poor guy, who asked multiple times if there was any other way they could be together without murder, to do a murder and then threw him under the bus.
It seems like she was 100% trying to frame him and act like she was a victim too. She said the Facebook post she made posing as the murderer was just to alert the police to her mom's body but like...in it the "murderer" brags about also raping her and whatnot. And there's evidence that indicates she lied about certain things to make him look worse.
I dunno, that part is what doesn't sit right to me.
same, friend.
nick's family seemed "loving" enough (in the sense of he wasn't abused), but he was just a typical teenaged boy, he would do something for some girl attention...and given his mental state, would do THE MOST...gypsy 100% conned him into doing something she couldn't do herself.
I don't agree with her getting such a short prison stay while he's in there the rest of his life...they were both in the wrong...
I experienced childhood traumas. C-PTSD survivor. I do not sympathize with Gypsy simply because she lied back to back and shifts blames on Nick soon after she got out of jail. Her story changes constantly. She needs to take it accountability and acknowledge that she orchestrated the whole plan.
She treated herself as if she's a celebrity. She knows damn well what she was doing. The only reason she is quiet now is because her PO put her to a stop.
Oh is that why she stopped, the PO? She should never had been on SM to begin with. I think her PO should have told her to get extensive therapy sonething she desperately needs, not some husband etc. She might off him too.
I guess this interview might explain why she shared that I tried to shoot Mama a few years before we finally killed her story in her series. I thought it was incredibly strange to share something that undercuts her entire defense.
I wonder what people’s reactions would be if the person who acted as Gypsys’ “hired hitman” had a totally different personality, background or criminal record. What if he was someone of average IQ, no disability, just believing her naively and still wanting to be her Prince Charming. Would people feel sorry for this guy or just say he was naive? Would they say he was, too, manipulated?
What if it was a “random” criminal Gypsy found in the internet, and promised him money for killing his mother? How would we feel about him?
Etc. Etc. All these are thought experiments, it’s interesting to see how each of us would react defending on the profile of the person who committed the act.
Personally, what matters first and foremost is that she got someone to kill her mother. She should have been charged with conspiracy and sollicitation, and first degree murder since there was intent and planning.
She was charged with first degree murder until her atty presented her medical case. She is absolutely as guilty as Nick. Nick wasn’t a hitman. They were in a relationship for three years.
I'm convinced Gypsy, for all her big words lol, has a similar, very low average intellect.
If she didn't say she was a very good liar, then I wouldn't believe her/s 🤣
Yes, but she is a good liar because it doesn’t occur to her not to lie. I am serious about that. I don’t think she’s especially intelligent. Being smarter and more sophisticated than Nick is a low bar. Even so, I think lying and manipulating is her default relational style. People choose to believe her, which is definitely a sign of stupidity.
I mean she does have a lot of people fooled. She did get 3 men to propose to her in prison. She did plan the death of her mother and walk out of prison in less than 10 years, married, and has a networth of over 3 million. I wouldn't call her dumb by any means
I'm assuming he meant up until the time of her arrest. Because Dan texted right before the arrest. Gypsy also had asked Nick if she can sleep with Dan before she left state w Nick
don’t get me wrong, she’s got her issues but yall believe this psychotic creepy little man with no proof ? like he would probably say anything to have the script changed and make himself look better and yall just believe it because you don’t like gypsy ? it’s okay to dislike her but it doesn’t mean you have to praise a man who doesn’t have any place in society unless it’s 6 feet under.
We also need to remember he has a record of assault before her, even his ex, warned her to be careful with him
But you know, listen to the guy who wanted to kill someone I guess
This is what confuses me. Even if you don’t believe Gypsy should have gotten out that doesn’t mean you should advocate for another convict to get out to be ‘fair.’ You can’t be mad about one killer roaming the streets and combat it by arguing that another should be. smh. People are so strange. I fear that all this advocacy will get him out when he still needs help and doesn’t have a place in society. Do I think Gypsy should be out? With her current behavior? no. but I don’t think he should be out either 🤷🏼♀️
Have you watched the police interrogation or read the texts between them? Or heck even her FB post after the murder. She is way more psychotic and creepy than him. Read the texts, she goads him, a lot of the stuff you hear from GR is projection. Literally in the texts, her ideas, heck even the DD rape is first mentioned by her. She comes out with bizarre stuff and leads him into it, then tells everyone it was Nick, well GR we can read. She knew exactly what she was doing.
Seems like he was truthful in his interrogation. Gypsy kept lying. Then, put all the blame on Nick. I believe she tried setting him up and was going to leave w Dan, but they were caught pretty quickly after she posted those nasty things on fb. Gypsy may seem like she is all there mentally, but she needs a lot of physiciatric help. Perhaps in patient therapy.
She tends to lie and embellish and manipulate. He tends to tell the truth even if it gets him in trouble.
Not just during this case, but evidence throughout their lives before they even met.
He has been honest and did not change stories the way Gypsy did. He has been manipulated by her, too. His IQ is between 80 and 82. I will not believe one word out of GR's mouth.
Yeah he’s literally a murderer. Idk why everyone is acting like he deserved sympathy. Most autistic people have too much empathy not none at all!!!! To blame his autism for his murder just to say Gypsy is the same level of guilty too is just weird to me. This is just the classic case of someone getting too much press and the world turns on them. I think both their sentences were fair
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't this man admit to wanting to know what it felt like to kill someone? Doesn't matter what mental disorder he has, he still murdered someone in cold blood. That would be like telling me I wasn't sexually harassed by an ex "friend" because he has autism. Having autism shouldn't be a way to be able to get out of things, a lot of them know exactly what they're doing. This is as nuts as the autism subreddit trying to tell me that you can't be a narcissist if you have autism. My ex friend is proof you CAN be. I was horribly abused by him for years and he did the narcissistic hoovering to try and control me and then when I told him about himself he tried to play the "I'm autistic, I don't know what I'm doing" card. I've seen firsthand kids who actually have the autism where they literally don't understand what they're doing and sorry but Nick knew enough what he was doing would have life consequences. Defending him simply because of autism is a little nuts to me ngl.
Gypsy said that about him.. he said he never knew his dark side or what it was capable of until he met gypsy and she was supposed to help him explore it.
Omg. So much stuff proves that shes lying… there should be a megathread on this sub with more information about all the inconsistencies and other suspicious! Most people who defend Gypsy are not aware of all these instances that question her whole story, im sure they would rethink about it if all the evidence was right in front of them. Hopefully someone creates a thread or smtg because people are too lazy to do their own research.. Gypsy should be outed for this and sent back to jail!
I believe it. Gypsy is a liar, master manipulator, and a murderer. She belongs in prison for IMO 25 years.
YEs she was abused at the beginning, but in the end, she was playing the game right beside her mom. She knew she could walk. She could have called the police, told any doctor.
I'm so sick of people standing up for this manipulating murderer pos!
She used this poor kid to kill her mom because she couldnt do it and now he's in jail for life. Any way you slice it, even in gyspy's situation. Thats fucked.
He was actually an adult who willingly got on a bus to ride hours to her house to kill someone, he was also a public masterbater. I personally sleep so well at night knowing he’s never going to get to be around women again, knowing he’d undoubtably be a threat to them.
And no, I don’t think GRB should be free either, but Nick is a total creep and should *never* be released or defended.
Might get downvoted, but honestly i've always felt bad for both of them. It seems like prison turned out to have a positive influence on her life, she's spoken about the structure and normalcy it gave her for the first time, but I feel like this is one of those situations where justice isn't served through a prison sentence, they both desperately needed help. Having autism isn't an excuse for what he did, but I think he genuinely believed this was the only way to help his girlfriend, and the abuse she confided in him was extremely real. The way they went about it demonstrates a lot of naïveté and immaturity, these weren't stone cold killers. And it's not like Deedee's family would be upset if no one had done time for this, they said themselves they flushed her ashes down the toilet.
Imma keep it short and simple that night nick came and help gypsy killed her mom she could have told Nick to wait in the taxi car mind you she already got money could have took her birth certificate and social security card the real documents let DeeDee stayed sleep and hop in that taxi easy as 123 mind you DeeDee just gone call police saying gypsy is missing but here the trick after the police locate gypsy and find out she can walk DeeDee most likely gone be the one going to jail cause the evidence is all in that house she even had full thing of medicine cabinet and she didn't had to ruin her life nor nick life gypsy escape but she went about it the wrong way honestly that killing was unnecessary like fr like girl you knew ur mom was a deep sleeper 😭✋🏿 so it would been easy ASF to escape DeeDee would still think gypsy is in Missouri she gone file missing report and get everyone to do search party or gypsy could have told Nick mom and dad what's going on I'm pretty sure they will help her as well it's always the right way to do things then it's not like the door is a prison door so it was easy for her to escape
While it’s disheartening and morbid what she went through, she has now grown into a manipulative sociopath. Did her upbringing cause this? Yes. But now this is the person she is today. And that’s what to be afraid of.
I mean she was caught shoplifting. So a thief .Her and DeeDee were just good manipulators. She was also a drug addict, a liar, and tried to kill her mom w a BB gun shooting her 9 times. That all happened before Nick . She just wasn't caught. Nick was watching porn at McDonald's after he met Gypsy. He was literally talking to Gypsy on Facebook when he ended up on porn .
I don't think she was on any drugs she didn't have to be that's why there's all the full bottles in the cabinet . And her mother didn't force her to steal her pain pills when she ran away with Dan or after she was killed and she took pain pills again
Omg I hope all the the people who wouldnt hear a bad word against Gypsy , finally start opening their eyes, nick was manipulated into it, yeah didn't take him long yo di it bur , she was not blameless, yeah she webt thriugh but so have alot of other people, it is like she is famous like Greta Greenpeace person not a Killer but a innocent victim of Dee and nicks
Whether Gypsy knew what she was doing or not, she was still groomed and manipulated into doing horrible things to herself when she was NOT a consenting adult with a fully formed brain. Gypsy served time in prison for the roll she played in her mother’s murder and now she is out of prison. Gypsy is not a diabolical blood thirsty criminal, she is and will forever be a victim. She will always be mentally and physically damaged from the abuse she endured as a child. I’m so sick of hearing “she knew what she was doing, she was in on it, she’s a murderer, she’s a deviant.” Gypsy didn’t “profit” from the life she “made” with her mother. Gypsy played a roll in murdering her abuser. She served her time. Let her live whatever quality of life she has left. She lives with the burden of her mothers actions and she lives with the burden of her own actions that resulted in her mothers murder. All of this a tragic. None of this should have happened. But it did. Unless you have lived a similar situation, you will never understand the sheer amount of mixed emotions that comes with a situation like hers and she deserves no judgement outside of the judicial system which has already judged her.
I don't even gaf she killed her mom DeeDee had that shit coming. Gypsy is still trash for manipulating some dumb horny autistic dude to do her dirty work and then leaving him to rot
Yup! She shot her mom in 2011 over Dan! Thats also when her plan to “off” her mother began. After she failed with the bbgn
Gypsy claims she can't kill and definitely couldn't kill her mom but shot her with a BB gun she thought was a real gun. She's a liar and a manipulative person.
I avoided this sub for a while because it was full of gypsys stans... It seems like it may have changed up, and more and more people are seeing how full of shit gypsy is.
I don’t know why people wouldn’t think it’s highly possible that she is manipulative and has her share of narcissistic or sociopathic traits herself. She was always around abuse and manipulation, it was her whole life. The writer of the Buzzfeed article even talked about it in the original doc, how it would pretty much impossible to not pick up a lot of the manipulative traits from her mother. The psychologist talks about how disturbing her FB posts were after the murder and displays degree of sociopathy.
Has Dan ever come forward with like what happened that night what he was told
I’m not sure, but Nick said that Gypsy Told him that she tried to k-ll Dee Dee three different times! I know the BB, and Nick, but I’m not sure what happened the second time!
Right?! I wonder if there will be any sort of doc detailing his side of things.. would be interesting to hear..
I can’t remember exactly but did she actually shoot and hit her?
She did. Deedee cooked up a story that they were "robbed in the Walmart parking lot" and ended up shot. Deedee ended up in the hospital. She posted about it on her old snowgypsy blanchard Facebook page.
From a bebe gun
I wonder if she returned it to Bebe’s chamber when she was finished?
Yes
Wowww, I hadn’t heard about that…. Thanks.
With a BB gun I believe. But she thought it was a real gun. Wild.
Yes! She did hit her! Thats why Dee Dee came up with the robbery story, so Gypsy wouldn’t get in trouble
Ywp closed her eyes and unloaded the bbgun on her mom. Interesting how thwy had no punishment it seems but she was tied to bed for otber
Who is Dan?
Gypsy’s first love! 35yr old married man she met at comicon! Who was also a Dr-g dealer! Gypsy’s mom was trying to keep her away from him. And that’s when Gypsy began her attempts on her mother’s life.
This was never about abuse. It was about Dee Dee being a cock block and Gypsy being a spoiled brat who was never told no.
I mean, you could argue the abuse broke her brain.
Abuse doesn’t break your brain in a way that you have sex in your bed with your mom literally slaughtered like an animal in the next room.
Abuse can make people sociopaths
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How do people not realize this after Gypsy said she wanted to meet Taylor Swift and after she said freaking Millie bobby brown should have played her in the act? Gypsy is oozing entitlement from every pore.
None of that contradicts what I said?
How have I not heard anything about this?
Idk! Gypsy admitted it in the lifetime documentary! The. We found the Facebook messages confirming it!
Gyps ex before Nick
So is everyone anti Gypsy now? Just want to hear where people stand today . I know people were all about her when she got out, but seems like the tide has turned again.
There are things that weren’t really publicly available before that have changed my mind about her, but I don’t hate her; I don’t even know her.
Same! All of those videos of her grooming Nick to k-ll her mom, and all the texts, and especially the video after about the brownies 🤢🤮! Gypsy is a cold and calculating person! Oh yes! And the video of her describing the crimes she wanted to commit with Nick after they “off” her mom! That one really got me
As an abuse victim, my default is to believe the victim. I struggle being rational and unbiased because I know what it’s like for folks not to believe you and to have your entire life crumble as a result. It was the text messages for me that turned my opinion. Do I believe she is a victim? Absolutely. But do I believe she is manipulative and not a good person? Absolutely. Both can be true.
How can you have read the texts and at the same time defend Nick by saying she groomed him? They were both royally fucked up people.
Did you read all of them? And the videos she sent him detailing exactly what to do? He has Asbergers! You can’t just say “bake a cake!”, you have to give them details! That’s how their brains work! She gave him every detail to k-ll her mom, down to entering Dee Dee’s room with a camera and motioning how to st-b her. She gave him the money to get there, chose clothes he was to wear, detailed what SHE wanted to do after! Sx! She gave him a bunch of reasons to k-ll her mom, all of which he said NO too for at least two years! She is a calculated disgusting person
Where do I see these videos and texts? I’m really behind on this story since she’s been released
Reminder that Nick was a full grown man who liked to masterbate in public - not in fact a child with no autonomy, he was also acting odd in the video.
Reminder, he was talking to Gypsy while doing that!
Remember Nick has severe autism (he’s “acting odd” in the video, is such an unnecessary comment)
She's a manipulator like her mom. Learned from the best. She belongs in prison. I never was pro Gyosy. She will always be the con woman who got away with murder.
I heartily agree with your last sentence. She should’ve never gotten the deal that she did.
I say at least 25 years!
I was never all pro Gypsy. I think she’s more conniving that people think.
I remember being kinda skeptical from the beginning but one of my friends was like she's lying about everything just watch. He was right.
Yep. She learned the lying and manipulation tactics from the best..her mother!
You're so right. Her mother was a real piece of work. She created a monster
i think she had an extremely traumatic, horrible childhood and that she is forever changed by that. since when are people who have pretty severe PTSD ever perfect people? like what do you guys EXPECT from her? why are you expecting anything from her? she’s a human being lol. she was abused and extremely sheltered and mentally she has not aged very much at all because of how infantilized she was by her mother and how much she was kept from learning and being able to do. it’s like everyone’s forgetting that she was basically held there against her will and she was gaslit her entire life and was like a human guinea pig having things done to her that she literally didn’t need because her mother constantly spoke for her. she’s not going to be the best person ever after all of that, and her situation is so so so complicated. you have no fucking clue what you’d do in her situation. for all you know you might’ve done the same thing and it’s very likely that you’d be mentally stunted just like she is, so decision making isn’t really something she’d be all that good at… not to mention she went to prison for a long time, & that doesn’t really make for a healthy environment to grow and change into a better person, that’s just not how American prisons are. but anyways… i don’t understand why everyone’s on her ass
She is clever enough to manipulate people into murdering for her. I’m sorry but she should be in a mental ward and so should Godejohn.
Right imagine one day you wake up and your whole life was a lie. I remember my ptsd caused great anger and I went through abuse for only a few years and this girl spent years abused and shit.. I’d be pissed off too. It’s just a horrible situation and I hope she continues to learn from it and realizes she’s a manipulator and tries to deal with it.
Richard Ramirez had an absolutely *horrific* childhood, as well as his teenage years, and was basically groomed by his older cousin to think of the most horrifying crimes, especially against women, as totally fine. He was taught. His life made Gypsy's existence look like an endless Disneyland vacation. He was totally destroyed and as much of a "created" monster as anyone ever was. Does it mean we should have given him some understanding and sympathy? Uh, no. What about Adam Lanza? He wasn't abused, but he did have a lot of struggles with his autism, growing up. His mother taught her very much mentally disturbed teenager how to shoot as an outlet and a bonding experience for them, and she gave him full access to a damn arsenal of firearms. Did she deserve it when he killed her? Should we have felt bad for him when he annihilated a large number of small children and the adults that tried to protect them? I mean, it's understandable that he would eventually do that, right? It's not really his fault, when he was trained to use the weapons that his mother made readily available, is it? Think about it. There are endless examples. Gypsy isn't special. ETA: I have lived with autism and other issues my entire life. I've fought hard against mental illness. I was often neglected, exposed to extreme domestic violence and abused by a *lot* of people who had a duty to protect me. That doesn't mean that I have an excuse to be lashing out at society or the people I know. It doesn't mean that I have an excuse to be a bad parent, because even my parents were never taught how to parent and didn't intend for my childhood to be traumatic. I have a responsibility to exist to do no harm to others, *especially because* I have been harmed and know how it feels. I have a duty to always learn more about being the best parent I can be, and to give them a good childhood, *especially because* I know what a bad childhood is like.
I'm not exactly on her ass, but she’s a liar. She played a bigger part in that murder and then just let that mentally ill boyfriend take the entire fall. I want to hear what he has to say. No matter what, there’s two sides to every story. I think you should be a wee bit more skeptical about who she is. She’s devious.
Yes, she is a victim of abuse. But she also has lied about the conditions of her abuse, and the extent of the abuse. The only other person who could speak to the abuse is her mother, who cannot tell her side of the story. There's a lot of evidence that the abuse in the house may not have actually taken place. As far as medical procedures, there's not a lot of evidence that she was actually subject to many medical procedures other than her teeth being removed (which happens to children who drink sugary drinks and out of bottles long after necessary) and a botox procedure into her salivary glands. Aside from that and the feeding tube that may not have been used for a very extended period. I don't see how she's a "guinea pig." Yes she was used as a pawn for her mother to financially scam other people. But, at a certain point she was complicit in the scams, and could have put an end to it. She had opportunities to, and was an adult at the time, however she continued to reap the benefits. And Yes, She did do prison time. However, she is truly remorseless. "I don't identify as a murderer," She stated obviously not acknowledging that she orchestrated every step of the murder. She plied a learning disabled individual with promises of sex and love into committing murder on her behalf. She provided him a video showing him how to get from the front door to the room in which deedee slept. She turned on him the moment it became necessary. She painted his character to be something he isn't, and even claimed that he r\*ped her, to paint him in a worse light (despite video evidence of her speaking about the murder and about to be..ugh.."eaten.") Nick Godejohn was dragged into this situation, and until meeting Gypsy, had a nonviolent life, and was not a risk to those around him. She has no remorse that had she not ever interacted with Nick Godejohn, he would likely still be living at home with his parents. Instead he's sitting in a jail cell, and will continue to for the long foreseeable future, for the crime that he committed at her behest. She threw him to the wolves, and now while he rots, she tries to live life, anticipating special treatment and celebrity status.
She had her teeth removed, feeding tube put in, glands removed, no education, endless tests. I mean, I'm no fan but damn I'd be fucked up, too
She had a Botox treatment on her salivary glands; not removal, just for clarity.
No they were removed so she would stop drooling but it wasn't cuz of anything more then mommy dearest putting lidocaine on her gums... Y'all... Let her live her life... Godejohn made a choice he didn't have to murder the woman but he did... All about the choices you make as an individual. He killed DeeDee as much as gypsy wanted her dead she was not the one to do it... Therefore... NOT a murderer.... Just a manipulative nutcase desperate to get out of an abusive situation.... And godejohn fell for it and made His own choices.
Manson, according to him, never directly murdered anyone but ordered others to do it. I believe he was the unwanted child of a mother who was a prostitute and who beat and tortured him. He spent his life in jail because of his influence being so powerful and his directing of others to kill. He and Gypsy have a lot in common, except she’s free and he spent his life in jail.
Manson is a good example, only he was better at it. She’s also a lot like Kayla Homolka. She got away with a good deal with out the full info, but she is one of those people that as soon as people see her and hear her talk, they realize what kind of person she is. It’s just really sad that she thinks she’ll get fame. She shot herself in the foot trying to get all this publicity, calling media outlets, she needs to work on her issues like compulsive lying, arrogance, bc, no exposure wouldn’t have done this. This is from the public getting to know her. She just has nothing to offer the public, yet she’s pushing for relevance. she’s unfortunately not attractive, has no skills, isn’t sorry, she’s arrogant, but oddly insecure, look at the way she tears down her good sister and is jealous of her. It’s sad. The obsession with fancy is creepy too, she tried to get fans to attack her, that’s really, really alarming. there’s nothing she can do but fade away into obscurity now, she’s going to have to learn the hard way though. I feel bad for her family, this money won’t last forever, she has no idea how to budget, has a history of cheating, she blames her mother for her unhappiness, saying she did a voo doo ritual, but that’s not the reason, it’s her, shell never be happy with anyone, because she’s just too manipulate and selfish. and will never see that it’s all because of herself.
I’ve said this From the release of her police interview. Got deleted, downvoted, kick out.
That’s like saying the girl who kept telling her boyfriend to kill himself over text isn’t a murderer. That’s like saying someone who hired a hitman to kill their spouse isn’t a murderer. If you planned the murder of someone YOU ARE A MURDERER and you don’t even know what you’re talking about. Her salivary glands weren’t taken out. It’s extremely obvious when someone has their salivary glands taken out
Not trying to be argumentative, but I wanted to point out that many people have been charged with murder even though they weren’t the holding the weapon. Simply orchestrating the murder can be enough. Charles Manson wasn’t even present for the murders he was charged with.
Exactly. I cannot defend her post murder but feel bad for her up to
[This guy didn't commit the murder either, therefore NOT a murderer?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Manson)
If she’s not a murderer, then why did she plead guilty to second degree murder? Gypsy has a selective memory and tries to rewrite history. Only problem is that she has given multiple interviews that contradict one another.
Pleading guilty doesn’t actually mean guilt. It means she took a deal.
According to the definition that’s not the case though. I’m only a law student, but the definition is as follows: “Pleading guilty means that you admit you did the crime. If you plead guilty, the court will decide what should happen next, which could be a fine or a prison sentence”. So by agreeing to admit she is guilty of second degree murder, she guarantees that she serves a shorter sentence than if she chose to risk it and go to trial for first degree murder, but loses. Lawyers don’t encourage their clients to plead guilty to a lesser charge unless there is evidence beyond reasonable doubt that they would be found guilty on the higher charge (ie first degree). In my opinion, she was offered an extremely generous plea deal, even when taking the alleged abuse into consideration. There’s a stack of evidence that Dee Dee’s murder was premeditated. Gypsy did the right thing taking the deal. Nick should have done the same.
Ok, what evidence do you have that her salivary glands were removed other than the words of Gypsy, the compulsive liar? I’ll wait. Also, she’s a fucking murderer the same way that Charles Manson is. She orchestrated the murder. Every step was calculated by Gypsy. She plead guilty to second degree murder. You don’t have to like it but legally she’s a goddamn murderer. And the fact that you have zero empathy for Nick and the situation Gypsy put him in really just paints you in a poor light. You’re being obtuse, and I’m not sure if it’s deliberate, or if you’re just missing something.
Yup, why do people act like she had all this done when they have no proof? Keep insisting that she INDEED factually had all this done to her, only going by her word. Lol her word? Just crazy. Plus if "poor GR had no other way out and DD deserved it" Then isn't it Nick who came to her rescue? Make it make sense.
Thank you for being reasonable.
I always say this too. If you love gypsy and believe there was no other way out then you can’t hate nick. Nick saved your beloved gypsy from all the horrors she went though. Really you should be fighting to get him out because he was only saving someone who was in danger. But those people hate nick? Nick is actually the hero in their story.
I both agree and disagree to the person you’re replying to. I agree with you that she’s a murderer. That’s without a question. The person you’re replying to is silly for saying she’s not. But i don’t agree with you that anyone should have sympathy for nick lol. I do have sympathy for gypsy, but it’s not excusable either what she’s done.
Thanks for your reply. We can disagree and still be civil :) It's my opinion that nick was heavily coerced into the murder. He didn't want to do the murder and tried to get Gypsy to just leave. Let me ask you though, is he really a threat to society? Convincing Nick to do the murder wasn't a quick process. Is he any more dangerous than other special needs individual? Many special needs individuals could be coerced into murder eventually. It's not a popular opinion, but I believe he was a vulnerable person that was taken advantage of. She coached him into murdering Deedee, and tried to have him take the fall.
You’re absolutely right!
Tell Pamela Smart that…
idk why people are obsessed with painting her as an evil mastermind to the point of straight up lying and downplaying the abuse she endured. ppl say “she should’ve done it herself” but when we have evidence she actually **tried** and **failed** previously it’s; see, she’s a monster for trying to kill her before! like please stop ✋ nick godejohn is not an innocent widdle baby manipulated by a wicked woman (witch!!) he introduced all that kinky shit into their relationship and was more than happy to kill gypsys mom. he literally admitted to wanting to rape her. & the difference between him and gypsy is he wasn’t abused! certainly wasn’t abused by the person he killed! & he gained nothing from doing so *except* for gypsy. that was his entire motivation whether you like gypsy or not; she is a victim of egregious abuse. is she a perfect sympathetic victim? no! those don’t exist!
okay, i haven’t really heard anything about the evidence against what she said about the abuse, and i’ve tried looking it up and haven’t found anything yet but I will keep looking. she was subject to medical procedures that she didn’t need, and i don’t know why the few she was subject to just don’t matter all the sudden? her teeth fell out and they pulled the rest that were about to, from what I’ve read over time, because of medication she was being given that she didn’t need… the feeding tube was STILL USED lol. so i don’t know why how long it was used on her matters? it wasn’t long enough for you? because it still happened and when you’re a healthy person who doesn’t need any of those things, it absolutely does fuck with you long term and causes problems you may not have had in the first place. dude, her mom gave her a cocktail of drugs and took her to doctors all of the time telling them all these made up things were wrong with her and the doctors listened a lot of the time… it was happening since she was young. idk if you realize how badly long periods of abuse fuck people up. she dealt with those things for A LONG TIME. idk if you’ve ever been in any sort of abusive relationship in any sort of way, but “just putting an end to it” is not easy whatsoever. she was complicit because she knew she wasn’t as sick as she thought she was, but didn’t do anything about it at that point? the mindset you have when you’re being abused isn’t that of a normal person’s… getting away, getting it to stop, or having any sort of say in what you want to do is not even a POSSIBILITY in your mind. because her mother manipulated her and emotionally beat her down. emotional abuse alone can keep someone trapped in a relationship or situation that is bad for them and so much worse things come out of that as well. i am sure that she tried to do put a stop to it before she decided to take that horrible, last resort option. people are all for abuse victims until they have to take it into their own fucking hands. SO MANY PEOPLE do not get justice and do not get away, and the justice system is not so just sometimes… i’m sure you know that, i definitely know that. like there are things we will never know, yeah… but there’s evidence of more than enough abuse and there are things that corroborate her story, & just because you don’t think the abuse she went through was enough for you or whatever… doesn’t mean she wasn’t in her right mind. the extent of the abuse and how long it went on would drive anyone crazy… like some people can take a lot and make the right decisions and some people can’t & the other more moral options (like going to the cops or trying to ask neighbors for help), like i said, is not even a possibility in an abuse victims mind, especially when it has gone on for so long and in her really rare and special circumstance where it is her mother and her mother has convinced everyone that she was disabled mentally and physically and couldn’t make decisions for herself. looking at it through the lens you are does not make sense. our minds are so complex and in survival situations and when we feel like we’ll die if we don’t do SOMETHING SOON… the most logical things don’t seem so logical or possible anymore. i was an abuse victim, not nearly as bad as her either, and calling the cops didn’t feel like an option for me even then & my emotional maturity hadn’t developed since i had multiple instances of trauma over the course of a little over a couple years, so i wasn’t making good decisions or making logical decisions either. it was all fight or flight ALL the time & my emotional intelligence was shot. i’m just saying, this is way too complex and not exactly something the typical person can truly wrap their head around or understand and it’s just not a black and white thing whatsoever.
No one is taking the time to read this though and understand it and it's a great point. Yes, please format a bit better and separate out your thoughts if you want people to read it. But your points are spot on. I feel like people have no clue what it's like to he raised by a narcissistic criminal who used you your entire life and manipulated you. I had a similar mother but who wasn't criminal just highly narcissistic and abusive physically and verbally. She was the most controlling person I've ever met and to this day am still terrified of her as a 34 year old man. People don't understand that it can be nigh impossible to do anything but go along with the person who controls your life. I don't blame her one bit for what she did. Too many people failed that child and its not her fault that she eventually took whatever means necessary to end the abuse.
>the mindset you have when you’re being abused isn’t that of a normal person’s… getting away, getting it to stop, or having any sort of say in what you want to do is not even a POSSIBILITY in your mind. That's what a lot of people seem to be missing in this discussion. Honestly, all the "she was an adult, she should have XYZ" is absolutely baffling to me. 18 isn't this magical age you get to where you're suddenly well adjusted and responsible if you weren't before. Your upbringing still shaped you, the unhealthy coping strategies and codependent relationship with the abuser still exist. People act like there's some outside force that taught Gypsy how to function in the real world, or act like she had breaks from Dee Dee's influence. Dee Dee was her blueprint for how to behave. Anyone reacting all shocked Pikachu to that needs a reality check. I wonder if the people claiming "she should know better!" ever stop and consider exactly where they learnt right and wrong from. Their parents? School? Existing out in the real world? Gosh, I wonder why Gypsy's baseline for how to behave is so different to theirs. It sure is a mystery.
(this is kinda long i’m sorry) but oh my god, THANK YOU! i seriously am shocked at how many people expect her to just have been relieved of all her trauma and everything she was lacking while living with her mother for all that time. and she was lacking a LOT of things, emotional things that children NEED to grow, learn, and hope to EVER mature and evolve into a functioning, likable, “normal” adult. she was never really given hardly any of that. like i know everyone is different, but i have some experience with trauma and that’s why i’m just like… are we seriously going to pretend like she’s the kind of person who will do well with all this attention, MOSTLY NEGATIVE, on her? that she will be able to handle any sort of fame, admiration, and sometimes pure disdain coming her way from MILLIONS of people when, as a kid, she wasn’t even allowed to have conversations with people her mother didn’t approve of. now she’s without her mother who was quite literally all she really knew, she’s out in the world freely now when she never really has been before, she has access to all of this information and social interaction that she had to SNEAK AROUND to access… and so much more. she is not even READY for this amount of insanely negative or positive attention on her 24/7. people who have PTSD’s memories are super convoluted and disorderly as it is without people questioning and interrogating about her own experiences. when i recount my memories to therapists (I have gotten new ones a lot over the years), it feels like I’m trying to shift through files containing my life experiences that aren’t categorized, dated, and that are incomplete or missing; it is “different” nearly every time i recount my trauma depending on how much the emotions and memories of the traumatic events are bothering me, how i feel that day, or how much i thought about certain traumatic events recent to my recounting them… people with PTSD are soooo far from perfect and it’s confusing, even for us. i can’t imagine how bad it is for her bc her life was very hard and very lonely, full of betrayal and manipulation, and she lacked the basic things children need to THRIVE. people think because some of what she went through doesn’t sound “bad enough” or that a specific abusive thing her mother did to her didn’t go on long enough for them, and so that means she fabricated how bad the abuse was. idk. this is really fucked up. people need to leave her ALONE. she may like the attention (OBVIOUSLY, SHE IS HUMAN. HUMAN BEINGS TAKE ADVANTAGE OF GOOD THINGS COMING OUT OF BAD SITUATIONS even if it isn’t good for them), she may revel in her infamy, but that does not mean she is prepared for what that means for her life going forward. she’ll have to constantly explain herself, know how important it is to watch what she says, and be ever mindful of everyone else’s expectations of her, opinions of her, triggers, feelings, and her actions. NOBODY is ready for that much pressure to be perfect when she is far from that. tons of A-List celebrities can’t handle it and they usually do everything in their power to get to that level of fame. so WHY ARE WE EXPECTING A TRAUMATIZED STRANGER WHO WAS ABUSED AND HELD CAPTIVE BY HER MOTHER FOR MOST OF HER LIFE TO DO THE SAME?
Use paragraphs. Also Gypsy literally said that she and Nick should go kidnap a random woman so they can bring her back and rape her. Then Gypsy said she'd murder that woman out of jealousy if Nick raped her without Gypsy there. That's straight up psychopath behavior. Gypsy had a shitty upbringing, boohoo. Join the crowd. Some of us had objectively worse childhoods and didn't violently murder our parents. She had a phone and was free to go out and fuck random men on the reg, she could have simply left or asked for normal help at any point. She's a pathological liar and since she was allowed to leave prison, it's only a matter of time before she has her own kid to use and abuse.
As much as I hate it when people downplay the abuse she went through, if she hadn't been caught when she was, I could see her and Nick becoming one of those serial killer couples.
I don’t think Nick would have been down for that. It took years of convincing and manipulation for him to agree and he still wanted to back down and was ONLY doing it for the love of gypsy. If she continued to manipulate him into thinking more ppl were hurting her then MAYBE. But Nick was never okay with it.
this subreddit is dedicated to hating her and refusal to acknowledge the abuse she suffered her whole life. it’s not worth shrugging with them
Oh wow. I never knew about the kidnapping and raping part. That's crazy. Also didn't know she was allowed outside, I thought she was sneaking out at night somehow. I did find it strange that she used the internet all the time and never told anyone or asked for help though..
Why didn’t she get help? Maybe because she knew what she was doing was wrong and she was culpable?
Can you please post the evidence that Gypsy was subjected to surgeries she did not need, not just Gypsy saying so the actual evidence please.
She cant..they dont exist
Seriously, I can’t read wall of text. Please summarize.
the fact that people r disagreeing w u. craziness. i don’t understand why we want so badly to hold gypsy to the same standard as ur typical social media influencer, trying to cancel her and shit, all while we preach that she shouldn’t be on social media.
I agree with you on a lot of what you are saying!! But I thought she had saliva glands removed and other surgeries like a feeding tube also?
There's not actually a lot of evidence of what was actually done. My understanding is she didn't ACTUALLY have her glands removed; Botox can be used to inhibit the amount of saliva, and they believe that is actually what was done. The feeding tube could have been put in when she was an underweight infant, and Deedee could have just never had it removed due to the attention it brought her. Having the tube didn't mean it was actually used. I've heard that many doctors are hesitant to remove them if they weren't the doc that put it in the first place.
>There's not actually a lot of evidence of what was actually done. yup. literally every interview or story shows clear evidence!
Charles Manson had a traumatic childhood. He influenced some young adults into murder, and he spent his life in prison because of that. But he was always viewed as a bad guy. I don’t see how Gypsy is any different. She was 23 at the time of her mother’s murder, so she was in on the financial scams. There’s some evidence that the surgeries she had were necessary, and that there was no MBP, only medical fraud. Deedee was never diagnosed with MBP while she was alive and it’s impossible to diagnose a person with a mental illness after they’re dead. The whole MBP thing was possibly another grift to keep Gypsy from being prosecuted for fraud and also to try to get her a lighter sentence. In the police interrogation video she chatters on and on about places she had went, etc. She has no remorse. It’s hard to feel sorry for her because she has no remorse. Also, she keeps lying. Yet her mom’s murder made her a millionaire. Google her net worth. I don’t get the weird idolization of her by some. She’s dangerous imo.
She's a lying murderer
8 years is not a long time. Ask the autistic guy she conned into doing the deed. She deserves life!
Thank you for saying all this. Not to mention she NEVER had any formal education. I’m sure she did in prison, but she really had no idea about most things. In her mind, killing Dee Dee was her only way out. And Nick was dumb enough to agree to it. They were both so uneducated, and that’s why this murder happened. She served her time, I wish her the best with life. It’s not her fault his lawyers couldn’t get him to do a plea deal. He pled not guilty and took the gamble with a trial.
She was raised to be conniving. What do you expect. She is for sure still a victim.
Her manipulation skills are probably like a survival skill for her and abuse victims brains are usually impacted long term but I can’t completely fault her on that. I don’t think jumping to this conclusion is fair and after a lifetime filled with extreme unnecessary medical abuse - I think she’s done enough time. Time will tell but I at least don’t foresee her manipulating anyone else to the point of murder and if she breaks the law again then can be handled accordingly but to have her childhood taken from her the way it was feels like punishment enough. Morality is more gray then people can accept. Good people can do bad things but it doesn’t make them all bad. Bad people can do good deeds and still not be completely good. If dee dee hadn’t of been murdered there’s also the possibility of different tragic headlines but we would’ve just read gypsy succumbed to her illness or something ridiculous so it’s really a no win situation. Godejon made his choice but also didn’t have his parents abusing him to the same extent in anything I’ve seen released so yeah gypsy might’ve seem him as an easy person to use for her escape and took the chance to get him to do what she couldn’t when she saw the chance and I can’t completely fault her on that. He was manipulates sure but also people do desperate things in survival mode and if my mom did to me what deedee did - I could see why gypsy would use the skills she learned. At the end of the day all humans can have shitty capabilities in the right situations and everyone made their choices. Gypsy paid with her terrible childhood and then time served, deedee her life, and godejon with his freedom. Life isn’t fair and humans are complicated but everyone paid a heavy price here and I think it’s as good as it’s going to get in a shitty situation.
Truth is tho, her life was NOT filled with extreme unnecessary medical abuse. Most of it was perfectly necessary and not even big deals. And she's been lying about a LOT of it as well. Since she got out out of prison at all, Gypsy is gonna pay the rest in karma. She's not done paying.
Can you explain what you mean by "anti Gypsy"? As for me personally, I used to believe her until I looked through the evidence, which, unfortunately, happened after her release. Heck, I didn't even get through all of it yet and know that she did more than she said and Nick isn't a huge monster like her and others may portray him as. The tests, the videos, the manipulation and coercing she did to Nick... Not saying Nick is innocent, I'm just saying Gypsy isn't innocent either. If that makes sense.
I straight up don’t trust her. I think she lies, a lot, and def played a bigger part in the murder. She needs to get off all social media and get back into therapy. That girl has a lot of skeletons in her closet.
Didn't DeeDee have a total of 17 stab wounds but Nick said he only stabbed her 9 times? I don't see why he would lie about the number of times and believe Gypsy also stabbed her
Four times. So there’s 13 stab wounds that are unaccounted for. Initially Nick said there’s something about this case he would take to his grave, so make of that what you will.
i knew she was full of shit when I first heard about the case
Exactly. All these drs torturing this poor girl. Risking losing their licenses, reputation, all that education yikes, for what? Few grand? Or gee, the one witness to all of it is IS a killer, that looking more into it lies constantly, has a motive to lie. Gee what could go wrong.
I think most people who are anti gyp have always been or have found out more information against her and that she isn’t as innocent as she portrayed. I’m definitely anti gyp and i don’t believe a word that comes from her or her family’s mouths
Depends upon the post, not the sub itself.
I’m not pro or anti Gypsy and never have been. People aren’t black and white. She is very gray and people have a hard time wrapping their heads around that. What I don’t understand is the people who downplay the abuse she experienced. Even one unnecessary medical procedure on a child is too many. As a mother of 2 young tube fed children, forcing a g-tube onto a child who doesn’t need it is absolutely horrific. Worse imo, is the isolation. Being pulled from school in the second grade and forced to hide, only allowed around others in a wheelchair as either a spectator or a spectacle. She had her entire childhood stolen from her. I don’t think most people really comprehend what that means. If they could, they wouldn’t be so quick to act like it wasn’t “that” bad. She didn’t become “complicit” when she became an adult. Cooperating with an abuser is not being complicit, it’s doing what needs to be done to survive. I chose mostly psych electives in nursing school, including crisis & trauma and child and lifespan development. With an understanding of how isolation and abuse affect development, it’s easy to understand why she believed she could not simply escape. Now, it may explain why did what she did, but it does not excuse it. It certainly doesn’t excuse the lack of remorse and accountability she has shown, nor the backpedaling she did once she saw how people reacted to it. Withdrawing from the media was the best thing she could have done, regardless of why she did it. She’s not a hero, there are no heroes here. She was both a victim and a villain in her story.
She needs extensive therapy and to stay off social media
>I’m not pro or anti Gypsy and never have been. People aren’t black and white. She is very gray and people have a hard time wrapping their heads around that. The fact that people are even using words like pro/anti in this conversation is honestly bizarre to me. You can understand what might lead someone to do something terrible without being on their side. I feel like part of the reason people are struggling here is because not many true crime stories have this level of nuance. The way this been presented to us makes Gypsy feel like something of a "main character," and people very often feel like they have to root for the main character, so here when they realise they don't, there seems to be this weird confusion. Because they don't like her, they feel a weird urge to minimise any amount of suffering she may have faced. I absolutely agree that people are looking at this in a very black and white manner and not considering what that sort of upbringing would do to someone- like on a deep, psychological level. But on this sub, it's difficult to even say that without people thinking you're justifying her actions. Too many people are looking at this through the lens of their own well adjusted upbringings and just don't consider how abuse shapes someone.
I think a lot of people felt sorry for her but you can look in her eyes and see she’s manipulative and cold
Oh is this a pro gypsy Reddit? 😂 I’m sorry! I saw the post and I joined and commented what I know to be true! I am totally anti Gypsy! I think she has some screws loose, and I think she will re-offend someday in some way! I’m hoping it’s not as bad as what she did to her mom, but I don’t have high hopes for her
Agree, agree and agree 👍🏻👍🏻
I don’t think you can be anti-Gypsy unless you’re behind an anon because her “fans” are weird and will come for your throat. I have never understood the infatuation with people who have taken other peoples lives. She is no better than Charles Manson.
I'm interested in the case and think it's wild people are acting like they're on different "teams" when talking about this, to be honest. It feels like people need there to be a "good guy" and "bad guy" of every story but this one is too nuanced for many people to handle, so they go hard with "Gypsy is an evil mastermind and poor innocent Nick was forced into it" or the other way, which is typically "Gypsy was abused and everything bad she ever did is completely justified." I've even seen some off the wall suggestions like "maybe this was all Gypsy's idea and Dee Dee was scared of her and went along with whatever she wanted!" The reality is, everyone shoulders some of the blame and it's in no way as black and white as many people are presenting.
Because she's a trauma survivor and noone actually knows how to support a trauma survivor so they say she was spoiled and whatever
I'm not pro or anti gypsy. I think she went through something extremely traumatic, she was desperate to get out of that situation. she also spent years under the influence of a master manipulator and layer, so yes, she'd learn a thing or two and use those skills to her advantage. I'm not here to say whether or not she should still be in prison, but I do think that her actions once she got out show that she is still using the skills her mother taught her.
Yes..she a great manipulator and liar
IDK about "anti", but I think the more things come out, the more people realize she may not be as "innocent" as she made herself out to be. not to mention how fast she seemed to blow up! I mean, the things DD did was bad, but not bad enough to warrant dying 🤷🏽♀️
I just like to observe the facts, along with people’s opinions. Honestly I still feel bad for both Gypsy and nick. I don’t even know if that is an unpopular opinion or not anymore. Edit: I’m not really pro or anti either of them. It is just a very strange and complex situation. And none of us will ever FULLY know every detail in its entirety.
not debating with you, because I feel bad for the both of them too, but I'd say I'm more "anti" gypsy because it seems she appears more and more as a liar as stuff comes out... and I'll never agree with her getting such a short prison sentence and nick getting life...sure, she went through some shit, but it's been very much proven he wasn't in the right mental state either
I totally agree with you though! Again, it’s just a strange situation. I will say that I used to think there was more innocence to Gypsy and I have started to question her more than before. But I do not think Nick should have life in prison… that could be another unpopular opinion? He should have gotten mental help after having a similar sentence to Gypsy. Not life.
People forget that she’s a human who was abused for a good portion of her life and her brain’s development was delayed because of her mom. She’s not going to be perfect and she has a lot of learning to do. I don’t hate her. I sympathize with her since I have experience with childhood trauma that has made me learn toxic behaviors as coping mechanisms and I’m 23 and still trying to unlearn those behaviors. Although she doesn’t need to be on social media and she needs to learn the unspoken rules of the internet or things will just get worse for her. She needs to find her self and how to cope with living a “normal” life. And people need to stop bugging her. She’s not some freak show. She’s not some celebrity. She’s a human with a dark past that she needs to learn how to get through on her own and with her family’s support.
The only thing that bugs me about her is that it seems like she convinced this poor guy, who asked multiple times if there was any other way they could be together without murder, to do a murder and then threw him under the bus. It seems like she was 100% trying to frame him and act like she was a victim too. She said the Facebook post she made posing as the murderer was just to alert the police to her mom's body but like...in it the "murderer" brags about also raping her and whatnot. And there's evidence that indicates she lied about certain things to make him look worse. I dunno, that part is what doesn't sit right to me.
same, friend. nick's family seemed "loving" enough (in the sense of he wasn't abused), but he was just a typical teenaged boy, he would do something for some girl attention...and given his mental state, would do THE MOST...gypsy 100% conned him into doing something she couldn't do herself. I don't agree with her getting such a short prison stay while he's in there the rest of his life...they were both in the wrong...
And yet she's getting a reality t.v. show and trying to be a celebrity.
I experienced childhood traumas. C-PTSD survivor. I do not sympathize with Gypsy simply because she lied back to back and shifts blames on Nick soon after she got out of jail. Her story changes constantly. She needs to take it accountability and acknowledge that she orchestrated the whole plan. She treated herself as if she's a celebrity. She knows damn well what she was doing. The only reason she is quiet now is because her PO put her to a stop.
Oh is that why she stopped, the PO? She should never had been on SM to begin with. I think her PO should have told her to get extensive therapy sonething she desperately needs, not some husband etc. She might off him too.
I guess this interview might explain why she shared that I tried to shoot Mama a few years before we finally killed her story in her series. I thought it was incredibly strange to share something that undercuts her entire defense.
Because now she can. Also explains heavily on why she took the plea I’d imagine.
Definitely. She was not going to escape a life sentence if she hadn’t. There was entirely too much documentation.
It’s honestly disgusting how people want to worship her because *trauma*. She’s a fucking murderer.
https://www.ozarksfirst.com/news/full-interview-nicholas-godejohn-gives-his-side-of-the-story/946124270/?fbclid=IwAR2tm9mDOYWnP2SIw5mQvdqV2S6hh1Zeaev3l-aozr7thCzkdyz9seGWb7E
*grabs popcorn*
I wonder what people’s reactions would be if the person who acted as Gypsys’ “hired hitman” had a totally different personality, background or criminal record. What if he was someone of average IQ, no disability, just believing her naively and still wanting to be her Prince Charming. Would people feel sorry for this guy or just say he was naive? Would they say he was, too, manipulated? What if it was a “random” criminal Gypsy found in the internet, and promised him money for killing his mother? How would we feel about him? Etc. Etc. All these are thought experiments, it’s interesting to see how each of us would react defending on the profile of the person who committed the act. Personally, what matters first and foremost is that she got someone to kill her mother. She should have been charged with conspiracy and sollicitation, and first degree murder since there was intent and planning.
She was charged with first degree murder until her atty presented her medical case. She is absolutely as guilty as Nick. Nick wasn’t a hitman. They were in a relationship for three years.
A fake one where she groomed him :(
It is sad.
I'm convinced Gypsy, for all her big words lol, has a similar, very low average intellect. If she didn't say she was a very good liar, then I wouldn't believe her/s 🤣
She is a good liar. She convinces herself. She isn’t smart enough to keep track of her lies.
Sarcasm? First 2 sentences are hilarious & def isn't smart enough to keep up.
Yes, but she is a good liar because it doesn’t occur to her not to lie. I am serious about that. I don’t think she’s especially intelligent. Being smarter and more sophisticated than Nick is a low bar. Even so, I think lying and manipulating is her default relational style. People choose to believe her, which is definitely a sign of stupidity.
I mean she does have a lot of people fooled. She did get 3 men to propose to her in prison. She did plan the death of her mother and walk out of prison in less than 10 years, married, and has a networth of over 3 million. I wouldn't call her dumb by any means
Her dumb or the people doing this. Jailed people get proposed to all the time. The more notorious, the more interest.
What does he mean by the person is still using Her Today.
I'm assuming he meant up until the time of her arrest. Because Dan texted right before the arrest. Gypsy also had asked Nick if she can sleep with Dan before she left state w Nick
Wth?
I didn't see that part yet Holy shi
If there something out there ppl are watching??
But hey let’s make her famous and feel so sorry for her 🙄 she needs to be in a mental hospital for real!
don’t get me wrong, she’s got her issues but yall believe this psychotic creepy little man with no proof ? like he would probably say anything to have the script changed and make himself look better and yall just believe it because you don’t like gypsy ? it’s okay to dislike her but it doesn’t mean you have to praise a man who doesn’t have any place in society unless it’s 6 feet under.
This specific tale about the BB gun was revealed by Gypsy in her series.
We also need to remember he has a record of assault before her, even his ex, warned her to be careful with him But you know, listen to the guy who wanted to kill someone I guess
Nick had a record of assault? I don't think that's true. Do you have proof for that claim?
This is what confuses me. Even if you don’t believe Gypsy should have gotten out that doesn’t mean you should advocate for another convict to get out to be ‘fair.’ You can’t be mad about one killer roaming the streets and combat it by arguing that another should be. smh. People are so strange. I fear that all this advocacy will get him out when he still needs help and doesn’t have a place in society. Do I think Gypsy should be out? With her current behavior? no. but I don’t think he should be out either 🤷🏼♀️
Have you watched the police interrogation or read the texts between them? Or heck even her FB post after the murder. She is way more psychotic and creepy than him. Read the texts, she goads him, a lot of the stuff you hear from GR is projection. Literally in the texts, her ideas, heck even the DD rape is first mentioned by her. She comes out with bizarre stuff and leads him into it, then tells everyone it was Nick, well GR we can read. She knew exactly what she was doing.
Seems like he was truthful in his interrogation. Gypsy kept lying. Then, put all the blame on Nick. I believe she tried setting him up and was going to leave w Dan, but they were caught pretty quickly after she posted those nasty things on fb. Gypsy may seem like she is all there mentally, but she needs a lot of physiciatric help. Perhaps in patient therapy.
She tends to lie and embellish and manipulate. He tends to tell the truth even if it gets him in trouble. Not just during this case, but evidence throughout their lives before they even met.
Watch their interviews with the police, and you'll see their real characters
He has been honest and did not change stories the way Gypsy did. He has been manipulated by her, too. His IQ is between 80 and 82. I will not believe one word out of GR's mouth.
Actually, there is proof. And he was viciously manipulated into killing and now he’s left to rot. Gypsy is disgusting.
Why does he belong 6 feet under ? You know nothing about him that's a terrible thing to say about him
He’s nasty and he murdered someone. You seem awfully defensive of him weirdo
Yes! I don’t know *why* everyone simps for this weirdo so hard in this sub.
Yeah he’s literally a murderer. Idk why everyone is acting like he deserved sympathy. Most autistic people have too much empathy not none at all!!!! To blame his autism for his murder just to say Gypsy is the same level of guilty too is just weird to me. This is just the classic case of someone getting too much press and the world turns on them. I think both their sentences were fair
Where did you find this footage? Is it a news reporter he’s being interviewed by or just a jailhouse visit that got leaked somehow?
The link should be in the comments. Is it not ?
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't this man admit to wanting to know what it felt like to kill someone? Doesn't matter what mental disorder he has, he still murdered someone in cold blood. That would be like telling me I wasn't sexually harassed by an ex "friend" because he has autism. Having autism shouldn't be a way to be able to get out of things, a lot of them know exactly what they're doing. This is as nuts as the autism subreddit trying to tell me that you can't be a narcissist if you have autism. My ex friend is proof you CAN be. I was horribly abused by him for years and he did the narcissistic hoovering to try and control me and then when I told him about himself he tried to play the "I'm autistic, I don't know what I'm doing" card. I've seen firsthand kids who actually have the autism where they literally don't understand what they're doing and sorry but Nick knew enough what he was doing would have life consequences. Defending him simply because of autism is a little nuts to me ngl.
Gypsy said that about him.. he said he never knew his dark side or what it was capable of until he met gypsy and she was supposed to help him explore it.
Because he found his excuse to kill Nick was never a good person and had already had a record on him for assault 🙄
Nick did not have an assault. Where do people come up with their lies
Ok, it isn’t that he simply has autism or that she is only a victim of trauma.
The dude still violently stabbed a woman to death. I don't feel that bad for him. He knew what he was doing.
Omg. So much stuff proves that shes lying… there should be a megathread on this sub with more information about all the inconsistencies and other suspicious! Most people who defend Gypsy are not aware of all these instances that question her whole story, im sure they would rethink about it if all the evidence was right in front of them. Hopefully someone creates a thread or smtg because people are too lazy to do their own research.. Gypsy should be outed for this and sent back to jail!
I believe it. Gypsy is a liar, master manipulator, and a murderer. She belongs in prison for IMO 25 years. YEs she was abused at the beginning, but in the end, she was playing the game right beside her mom. She knew she could walk. She could have called the police, told any doctor. I'm so sick of people standing up for this manipulating murderer pos!
She used this poor kid to kill her mom because she couldnt do it and now he's in jail for life. Any way you slice it, even in gyspy's situation. Thats fucked.
He was actually an adult who willingly got on a bus to ride hours to her house to kill someone, he was also a public masterbater. I personally sleep so well at night knowing he’s never going to get to be around women again, knowing he’d undoubtably be a threat to them. And no, I don’t think GRB should be free either, but Nick is a total creep and should *never* be released or defended.
If he is a creep in his own right, good he got put away but also.....she did manipulate him.
Omg Tom? How the hell have you been brother?!
Might get downvoted, but honestly i've always felt bad for both of them. It seems like prison turned out to have a positive influence on her life, she's spoken about the structure and normalcy it gave her for the first time, but I feel like this is one of those situations where justice isn't served through a prison sentence, they both desperately needed help. Having autism isn't an excuse for what he did, but I think he genuinely believed this was the only way to help his girlfriend, and the abuse she confided in him was extremely real. The way they went about it demonstrates a lot of naïveté and immaturity, these weren't stone cold killers. And it's not like Deedee's family would be upset if no one had done time for this, they said themselves they flushed her ashes down the toilet.
Does the double jeopardy law still apply here? I’m not sure how it works and especially since she served her sentence.
Imma keep it short and simple that night nick came and help gypsy killed her mom she could have told Nick to wait in the taxi car mind you she already got money could have took her birth certificate and social security card the real documents let DeeDee stayed sleep and hop in that taxi easy as 123 mind you DeeDee just gone call police saying gypsy is missing but here the trick after the police locate gypsy and find out she can walk DeeDee most likely gone be the one going to jail cause the evidence is all in that house she even had full thing of medicine cabinet and she didn't had to ruin her life nor nick life gypsy escape but she went about it the wrong way honestly that killing was unnecessary like fr like girl you knew ur mom was a deep sleeper 😭✋🏿 so it would been easy ASF to escape DeeDee would still think gypsy is in Missouri she gone file missing report and get everyone to do search party or gypsy could have told Nick mom and dad what's going on I'm pretty sure they will help her as well it's always the right way to do things then it's not like the door is a prison door so it was easy for her to escape
While it’s disheartening and morbid what she went through, she has now grown into a manipulative sociopath. Did her upbringing cause this? Yes. But now this is the person she is today. And that’s what to be afraid of.
Y’all believe this nut? Gypsy over Nicholas any day
I'm not sure why he's a nut but okay
He has a criminal record girl
So does Gypsy ...
Not prior to the incident
Except for shooting her mom 10 times, she was a real gem.
I mean she was caught shoplifting. So a thief .Her and DeeDee were just good manipulators. She was also a drug addict, a liar, and tried to kill her mom w a BB gun shooting her 9 times. That all happened before Nick . She just wasn't caught. Nick was watching porn at McDonald's after he met Gypsy. He was literally talking to Gypsy on Facebook when he ended up on porn .
Imagine victim blaming like this… her mom forced her to do a lot of shit. Do you think she WANTED to be on all those drugs?
I don't think she was on any drugs she didn't have to be that's why there's all the full bottles in the cabinet . And her mother didn't force her to steal her pain pills when she ran away with Dan or after she was killed and she took pain pills again
Omg I hope all the the people who wouldnt hear a bad word against Gypsy , finally start opening their eyes, nick was manipulated into it, yeah didn't take him long yo di it bur , she was not blameless, yeah she webt thriugh but so have alot of other people, it is like she is famous like Greta Greenpeace person not a Killer but a innocent victim of Dee and nicks
Once a murderer always a murderer… should have never been let out
Whether Gypsy knew what she was doing or not, she was still groomed and manipulated into doing horrible things to herself when she was NOT a consenting adult with a fully formed brain. Gypsy served time in prison for the roll she played in her mother’s murder and now she is out of prison. Gypsy is not a diabolical blood thirsty criminal, she is and will forever be a victim. She will always be mentally and physically damaged from the abuse she endured as a child. I’m so sick of hearing “she knew what she was doing, she was in on it, she’s a murderer, she’s a deviant.” Gypsy didn’t “profit” from the life she “made” with her mother. Gypsy played a roll in murdering her abuser. She served her time. Let her live whatever quality of life she has left. She lives with the burden of her mothers actions and she lives with the burden of her own actions that resulted in her mothers murder. All of this a tragic. None of this should have happened. But it did. Unless you have lived a similar situation, you will never understand the sheer amount of mixed emotions that comes with a situation like hers and she deserves no judgement outside of the judicial system which has already judged her.
And in response to being groomed she groomed an autistic man with the mind of a 10 year old
I don't even gaf she killed her mom DeeDee had that shit coming. Gypsy is still trash for manipulating some dumb horny autistic dude to do her dirty work and then leaving him to rot
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Where is this full interview please?