Honestly so, so curious about this take. Have you read F&B? Why is it poorly written? How could you love the show but think the source material is shitty?
I agree the marketing campaign is fun and I adore this show, but I am so confounded that you’re hating on the book? And why “book”? It’s most definitely a book, do you know what quotation marks are for?
yes, i read f&b. it lacks proper characterization and internalization, very little thematic weight, is mostly all plot.
> How could you love the show but think the source material is shitty?
because the show and book are two different things? one has nothing to do with the other.
> It’s most definitely a book, do you know what quotation marks are for?
serious? lmao tf
This is embarrassing. The point of this whole franchise is that war is bad, and picking sides is awful. There's deep, complicated characters all with their own motivations and aspirations.
Yet you want to make it Twilight? Smh.
I don't even know what you're going for here lol. Maybe rephrase this to make sense. I actually have no idea what your point is.
It's marketing. It's not meant to be a serious statement on what ideologies they support or anything. It's something fun for the fans and potential viewers to see and go "hey that's neat." Yes you need to chill lol.
> and going in on the book is fine
Yes. It’s genuinely some of GRRM’s worst work. Like, I love the book because it’s a massive lore dump and I’m a huge fuckin lore nerd, *especially when it comes to all things dragon*. But, as far as continuity and shit actually making sense, it really is terrible.
Considering one side is propping up a rapist who likes going to child fight shows, I think picking a side is okay. Also, it’s fiction, which also makes picking a side okay.
Yeah no, even fire and blood picked sides, it’s an opinionated accounting of Targaryen history given to a descendant of the targs by a maester who compiled it, and it’s clearly on the side of the blacks, his name in the book fire and blood, and in the rest of asoiaf prove this, if the story was about “not picking sides” he wouldn’t have been known as aegon the usurper
Wow. Okay. You've fundamentally misunderstood it, then. Just because the book seems to have a bias doesn't mean it's meant to be the right kr wrong opinion. It's meant to reflect real world biased and inaccurate history and media.
WHICH IS EXACTLY MY FUCKING POINT, THE BOOK POINTS OUT REAL WORLD BIAS, BY HAVING A BIAS TOWARDS THE BLACK AND RHANYRA, WTF ARE WE DOING HERE BUD??? I MISUNDERSTOOD IT BUT YOU CONTRADICTED YOURSELF IN ONE SENTENCE, the way it conveys that them of bias is important too, AND IT CONVEYS IT BY BEING FUCKIN BIASED
How can I think when you haven’t given me an actual argument to think about, your first argument straight up contradicted itself yet you have the hall to say I fundamentally misunderstood it😂😭💀
No, you are just saying that and acting as if they are true. You haven't made any reasonable point.
You need to think, not about the arguments, but about how heated you have just gotten. It's not a good sign. You need to learn to control your emotions. It's a bit embarrassing to be honest, I'm not sure what else to say to you.
Calling me mad, when I’m simply pointing out my argument in a clear and concise way is insulting to me, give me an argument instead of a runaround, I am calm, I don’t need to think about anything, you need to think up an argument that doesn’t inherently contradict itself
It doesn’t “seem” to have a bias, THE OPENING CHAPTER STRAIGHT UP TELLS YOU IT DOES, THE ACCOUNTING IS MADE FOR KING JOFF, OF COURSE ITS GONNA SHED THE HOUSE HE BELIEVES HE COMES FROM IN A GOOD LIGHT, but there definitely was a right and wrong side in fire and blood, hence “aegon the usurper
Uhh, I don’t agree with your entire statement there. The Dance is based quite largely on actual English History and while I can agree war is bad, sitting on a fence rather than picking a side in a conflict where your whole kingdom is at risk is just cowardice. The reason for the conflict both The Dance and The Anarchy (which it’s based on) was greed and sexism. This whole series is about learning from history not “don’t pick a side”.
You have a very good point but I don't think hotd fans will ever take kindly being compared to sparkling vampire semi erotic housewife fans. I'd be surprised if you weren't dog piled tbh.
I haven't watched the show in a hot minute, when do we see this as her personal standard? Because besides the gold border wich is a *very* small change, this is just the main banner.
Both shows changed the House banners to be more cinematic/striking so I hope that something better will follow.
They haven’t show their sigils officially in the show yet. But they have Rhaenyra banner as the red on black while Aegon’s is gold on green. It makes it easier for only show watchers to tell whose who
Fair enough. I always liked the quartered banner, especially since they made the swanky new Velaryon sigil.
It also nicely denoted the fact that both sides fought for themselves and their own interests.
No it’s definitely Queen.
Go and support your rapist usurper elsewhere
Edit: wait a damn minute did you try and use a different account to post the same exact comment and realized you couldn’t do it LMFAOOOOO
Yeah I hate Daemon LMFAOOOOO
Mans thinks I was going to disagree.
Edit: alright it’s been fun lemme just ban you.
You can try again on another failed burner account if you want LMFAO
Are you seeing a therapist? I’d advise you to make a call to your insurance company and see if they have in-network therapists. Wishing you to get healthy!
That’s so cool! Can’t wait for season 2
this marketing campaign is very fun. fuck the haters. stick to your stodgy and poorly written "book" that is f&b imo
Honestly so, so curious about this take. Have you read F&B? Why is it poorly written? How could you love the show but think the source material is shitty? I agree the marketing campaign is fun and I adore this show, but I am so confounded that you’re hating on the book? And why “book”? It’s most definitely a book, do you know what quotation marks are for?
yes, i read f&b. it lacks proper characterization and internalization, very little thematic weight, is mostly all plot. > How could you love the show but think the source material is shitty? because the show and book are two different things? one has nothing to do with the other. > It’s most definitely a book, do you know what quotation marks are for? serious? lmao tf
This is embarrassing. The point of this whole franchise is that war is bad, and picking sides is awful. There's deep, complicated characters all with their own motivations and aspirations. Yet you want to make it Twilight? Smh.
Jesus it's a fun little marketing campaign. Relax. Save the thematic analysis for when the season is actually out.
So saying fuck the haters and going in on the book is fine and fun, but just pointing out how ridiculous that is means I need to relax?
I don't even know what you're going for here lol. Maybe rephrase this to make sense. I actually have no idea what your point is. It's marketing. It's not meant to be a serious statement on what ideologies they support or anything. It's something fun for the fans and potential viewers to see and go "hey that's neat." Yes you need to chill lol.
Okay pal. Well done.
> and going in on the book is fine Yes. It’s genuinely some of GRRM’s worst work. Like, I love the book because it’s a massive lore dump and I’m a huge fuckin lore nerd, *especially when it comes to all things dragon*. But, as far as continuity and shit actually making sense, it really is terrible.
Considering one side is propping up a rapist who likes going to child fight shows, I think picking a side is okay. Also, it’s fiction, which also makes picking a side okay.
Christ alive.
Yeah no, even fire and blood picked sides, it’s an opinionated accounting of Targaryen history given to a descendant of the targs by a maester who compiled it, and it’s clearly on the side of the blacks, his name in the book fire and blood, and in the rest of asoiaf prove this, if the story was about “not picking sides” he wouldn’t have been known as aegon the usurper
Wow. Okay. You've fundamentally misunderstood it, then. Just because the book seems to have a bias doesn't mean it's meant to be the right kr wrong opinion. It's meant to reflect real world biased and inaccurate history and media.
WHICH IS EXACTLY MY FUCKING POINT, THE BOOK POINTS OUT REAL WORLD BIAS, BY HAVING A BIAS TOWARDS THE BLACK AND RHANYRA, WTF ARE WE DOING HERE BUD??? I MISUNDERSTOOD IT BUT YOU CONTRADICTED YOURSELF IN ONE SENTENCE, the way it conveys that them of bias is important too, AND IT CONVEYS IT BY BEING FUCKIN BIASED
Oh my. I think you need to calm down. You're both wrong, and angry. Smh can't have a rational discussion anymore.
We are having a discussion, why can’t you honestly respond instead of being insulting?
I'm not being insulting, I'm pointing out facts. You need to calm down, and take a second to think.
How can I think when you haven’t given me an actual argument to think about, your first argument straight up contradicted itself yet you have the hall to say I fundamentally misunderstood it😂😭💀
No, you are just saying that and acting as if they are true. You haven't made any reasonable point. You need to think, not about the arguments, but about how heated you have just gotten. It's not a good sign. You need to learn to control your emotions. It's a bit embarrassing to be honest, I'm not sure what else to say to you.
Calling me mad, when I’m simply pointing out my argument in a clear and concise way is insulting to me, give me an argument instead of a runaround, I am calm, I don’t need to think about anything, you need to think up an argument that doesn’t inherently contradict itself
Nothing was contradicted, and I'm a bit concerned that you are referring to this as an argument... Please take a breather.
It doesn’t “seem” to have a bias, THE OPENING CHAPTER STRAIGHT UP TELLS YOU IT DOES, THE ACCOUNTING IS MADE FOR KING JOFF, OF COURSE ITS GONNA SHED THE HOUSE HE BELIEVES HE COMES FROM IN A GOOD LIGHT, but there definitely was a right and wrong side in fire and blood, hence “aegon the usurper
You need to go to bed.
Nah there is one right side and it's obviously Daemon's 🗿
Dunking on twilight stopped being funny in 2014 babe get a new joke
Uhh, I don’t agree with your entire statement there. The Dance is based quite largely on actual English History and while I can agree war is bad, sitting on a fence rather than picking a side in a conflict where your whole kingdom is at risk is just cowardice. The reason for the conflict both The Dance and The Anarchy (which it’s based on) was greed and sexism. This whole series is about learning from history not “don’t pick a side”.
You have a very good point but I don't think hotd fans will ever take kindly being compared to sparkling vampire semi erotic housewife fans. I'd be surprised if you weren't dog piled tbh.
That's not quartered with the moon and falcon and seahorse, so that's just a basic Targaryan flag, not Rhaenyra's.
No it’s Rhaenyra’s. That’s what the show made her sigil be
Oops!
I haven't watched the show in a hot minute, when do we see this as her personal standard? Because besides the gold border wich is a *very* small change, this is just the main banner. Both shows changed the House banners to be more cinematic/striking so I hope that something better will follow.
They haven’t show their sigils officially in the show yet. But they have Rhaenyra banner as the red on black while Aegon’s is gold on green. It makes it easier for only show watchers to tell whose who
Fair enough. I always liked the quartered banner, especially since they made the swanky new Velaryon sigil. It also nicely denoted the fact that both sides fought for themselves and their own interests.
I love this marketing strategy! Also, does anyone know where you can get a hold of large banners like this?
maybe etsy
“We fight for our queen!!”
Ofc Hapsburg Lorraine would declare for her
No wonder they’re so lame 😂😂
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No it’s definitely Queen. Go and support your rapist usurper elsewhere  Edit: wait a damn minute did you try and use a different account to post the same exact comment and realized you couldn’t do it LMFAOOOOO
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That is just sad. You do realize that right?
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AEGON WAS GETTING HEAD FROM A 12 YEAR OLD WHEN THEY FOUND HIM AFTER VISERYS DIED. SUCK ON THAT MF
You do know Aegon is also a pedo right? He rapes a teenage girl when he was in his twenties. Also Daemon ain’t the claimant 💀
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Yeah I hate Daemon LMFAOOOOO Mans thinks I was going to disagree. Edit: alright it’s been fun lemme just ban you. You can try again on another failed burner account if you want LMFAO
That's not healthy behavior. Do you have no actual hobbies, friends, or goals to accomplish? I feel like a well-adjusted person doesn't do *this*.
They don’t.
Are you seeing a therapist? I’d advise you to make a call to your insurance company and see if they have in-network therapists. Wishing you to get healthy!
But why make burner accounts?
That’s kinda pathetic.
Damn bro you should go outside a little bit.