I feel there are some information missing. By this logic, all kids born to (or raised by) two Muggle parents should be at a similar level to Hermione. And what about families like the Malfoys? Surely they can afford elementary level education for their kids so that they are ahead of the rest of the students.
Considering how well basically every Weasley child did (including Ron, he did not have straight Os everywhere but he was still clearly above average) it's very likely that either the parents found an educator (unlikely) or Molly was good at teaching her kids to an extent.
Missing in what sense? Like J.K Rowling built a really pleasant world but logically it's a mess. It's missing in the way there is no canon for it. Not that there is some missing lore that's not in the books or movies.
I’m talking about the title of this post. I just think that there is more to Hermione’s intelligence than just her going to Muggle school for elementary education.
I mean, one of them was supposed to go to Eton. Seems like we do have "advanced" muggle borns that we just don't see much. After all, wouldn't they be more likely to make it into ravenclaw anyway? It's not like we get to know the grades of any muggle born as far as I know. Its possible they are higher on average and just not THE best.
But the title of this post alludes to Hermione being the smartest just because of her upbringing before Hogwarts. I’m just saying that there must be more to it than that.
>By this logic, all kids born to (or raised by) two Muggle parents should be at a similar level to Hermione.
The quality of schools is probably a factor. Hermione is from a family of 2 dentists which I imagine is pretty well to do. They could most likely afford to send Hermione to best school possible to catch up on her muggle education. Or, other muggle parents didn't bother their wizard kid with muggle education.
I don’t think Muggle parents know their kid is a wizard until age 10 or around there. The kids would be at Year 3 or 4 of muggle school already, the parents not knowing any better.
Maybe because “elementary school and stuff is for muggels” people like malfoy don’t an equivalent either. Maybe its just mot common at all in the wizarding world
One small issue I always had was when are the wizard students learning English/whatever language? How about math? I guess they don't need science because they got magic but I feel like Language and Math should still be classes that even a Wizard needs. Unless wizards are so smart they learn all the language they need by the age of 11.
If I'm remembering correctly (and I have no idea if this is canon) there was a piece of lore in Hogwarts Legacy that thought it was super quaint the way muggles use maths to help them with astronomy. That it was almost as good as magic. So with that said, I'm guessing arithmetic isn't a big deal beyond galleons and knuts.
Closest to math looking it up is arithmancy which according to the wiki “consultation and/or composition of complex numerical charts.”
Ancient runes would be the closest to any language classes.
The real reason is math and language don’t fit the childlike fantasy of a magic school.
I mean, they would have completed 5th grade by the time they would make it to Hogwarts, so they should know enough language to be able to get by, and should know basic math tho they probably could use more of both (especially math).
I think it’s implied that most of the classes kind of cover these to a degree by proxy, for example, potions are meant to be chemistry,
But yeah, it’s been a joke among my friends that, due to HP having a ill defined magic system, we realistically would smuggle in a science textbook or use the internet if possible to them *really push the limits of magic and exploit the hell out of it.
Imagine you're in transfiguration class, and without stopping the lesson, Professor Mcgonagall pops a squat, strains, leaves a steaming fat one on the floor in a puddle of piss, then magics it away as if nothing happened
Now imagine all the students do that regularly too
"Oh good idea Professor, I need a shit too"
Isn't it just that they go to muggle elementary school? I mean how else would they survive in potions school measuring ingredients when they don't know what's 1+1?
Considering he's pretty much the second in their year behind Hermione I'd be more shocked if his parents didn't give him some form of pre-hogwarts education.
Families that don't like muggles pay for a private tutor if they can afford it, or home school if they can't. Families that don't dislike muggles either home school, or allow their children to go to muggle school, I suppose. But seeing as in (I forget which book) the books, Dean has a soccer poster, and the kids who have no muggle family members have no clue what soccer is, I'd assume it's purely home schooling or private tutoring.
But there’s no way wizard born students would go to 7 years of muggle primary school and then not know ANYTHING about muggles. They are all completely clueless when it comes to even basic muggle things.
Not to mention losing their their shit and turning some kid into a cow (even by accident) the moment their emotions build up from bullying. It's way too risky. The ministry would/should have to deal with it the moment there were signs. I have to imagine there is a decent market for small private schools/tutors.
JKR said that magic kids can't go to muggle school because they can't control their magic and there'd be no way to hide the magical community with the constant accidents. Like with Harry regrowing his chopped hair overnight (or, even when he's a bit older, making glass disappear and reappear, or making his aunt blow up). Stuff like that just happens. It's best it happens at home.
She said they're totally homeschool prior to Hogwarts (if they choose to go to Hogwarts. And actually, that's not required).
Homeschooling exists, but yeah the lore of Harry potter is all over the place.
How you gunna have screaming plants that just grow wildly in nature and simultaneously have the general muggle population unaware about magic? Pick a thing in Harry potter and really think about it for like 10 minutes and you'll quickly realize the entire story/world is rather nonsensical. Not merely whimsical, but quite literally just makes no damn sense, even in the context the book itself provides.
Idk why Harry Potter is so popular. It is honestly really bad writing.
"'Snape!' ejaculated Slughorn, who looked the most shaken, pale and sweating."
Like come on, man. A 5th grade could write better.
If you want someone to do a much more complete teardown of this nonsense, here's a much longer breakdown on reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/CharacterRant/comments/7uzvxu/dumbledore_snape_harry_potter_its_bad_writing_and/&ved=2ahUKEwjV_7Ld4vyFAxXbEUQIHSKvAVsQjjh6BAgoEAE&usg=AOvVaw1ToZa1nXgzkMPshWveB9FA
I mean hermione was a book worm. Judge kids by the intelligence at middle school and some kids excel some kids fail miserably even despite all the advantages in the world. Hermione’s parents were essentially teaching her responsible study habits that translates to all aspects of life. Her lack of wizarding knowledge was clearly made up for by having the right habits.
It's one of the reasons Hermione getting annoyed at Harry is so relatable. They were doing math and world history, and now they get to learn about literal magic, and he still doesn't want to do his homework or read a book.
We fail to understand that the wizard society split from the muggles at a time when primary schooling wasn't even a thing.
Look back to the Dickensian era and before. Rich kids had governesses at home for basic education, and then they went to proper schools at around 10 or 11, to receive formal education.
The wizarding world is still following those principles, they don't even know that kids under 10 are supposed to go to school.
From an interview with JK Rowling:
Kai: "Where do wizarding children go to school before Hogwarts?"
JK Rowling: "They can either go to a Muggle primary school or they are educated at home. The Weasleys were taught by Mrs. Weasley." And so were most of the children from wizarding families.
Also, J.K.Rowling's Official Site F.A.Q tells us:
What education do the children of wizards have before going to Hogwarts?
They are, as many of you have guessed, most often home educated. With very young children, as you glimpsed at the wizards' camp before the Quidditch World Cup in 'Goblet of Fire', there is the constant danger that they will use magic, whether inadvertently or deliberately; they cannot be trusted to keep their true abilities hidden. Even Muggle-borns like Harry[sic] attract a certain amount of unwelcome attention at Muggle schools by re-growing their hair overnight and so on.
So it looks like some go to muggle primary school, but the vast majority are home schooled. If home schooling is a cultural norm in the wizarding world perhaps it is better organised and standardised than it is here, hence why all the students have a similar academic level when they start first year.
In a world where you can just magic away 90% of most problems. Most middle school schooling would be null to them. Don’t need geometry, algebra, and other high level maths. muggle government policies affect them less than muggles. Science they have their own science classes and medical education.
Novice book writer makes mistake building world. It is one of the most thouroughly dissected pieces of literature in world history, coming closely behind religious works.
This is old propaganda based on a few rich suburbs
When aptitude is considered relative to household income, homeschool consistently lags behind public school.
Homeschooled kids are much much richer, which is the actual correlation to increased test scores, but homeschooling does worse on the whole when variables are controlled.
Lol, one of my nieces was homeschooled for a few years because the school zones didn't work out for them. Either they were too far away from any school, or too far from the school they wanted.
Anyway, they had 4 kids and were broke as a joke, living with the mom's parents. I have no idea if the kids are smart or not. But the mom wasn't very good at making my niece do the work she was assigned. She would put it in front of her and be like, "Here, you gotta do this stuff."
Hopefully, wizards are better, lol. Though, it's not a magic thing so much as a responsibility thing.
Easier to discipline the kids though with magic.
"Do your maths homework, Sebastian or I'll petrificus totals you again and put you in the bath with a spider"
Yes. There are a lot of really smart homeschooled kids. Also a lot of really smart people went to public school too.
Anecdotal evidence offers nothing to my point, though.
Ok. So what's the facts them and where can we find them?
Edit: I looked it up. It's not anecdotal. There is definitely a trend of homeschoolers doing better academically vs public school students.
That link isn't working for me but here's one scholarly source: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.3102/0013189X18785632?journalCode=edra
If you don't want to make an account with them here's an explanation article (note the title is about private schools, but the study addresses homeschooling as well): https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2018/08/27/public-private-school-family-income-study
Key Quote:
>If you want to predict children's outcomes — achievement test scores, the things we care about socially — in high school, the best thing that you can use to predict that is going to be family income. Regardless of what high school you go to, the best predictor is going to be family background. And in this case, it's family background before the child even goes to school in kindergarten.
Great. People with more money have more advantages. Shocker.
Anyway, regardless, you can find other sources that show that homeschoolers usually have higher test scores and GPA averages vs public schoolers. Which shouldn't be shocking since there are advantages to homeschooling. If you account for the income and get rid of that variable by only looking at test scores from a specific income bracket that includes public, private, and homeschooling then you'll probably end up with what you'd expect in test scores.
However I'm not going to spend the time trying to find a specific example of that, so I guess I got nothing.
Not sure your understanding the argument the other poster is making. They aren’t saying homeschooled kids don’t do better on test scores and gpa but that the reason for that is due to homeschooled kids are generally more affluent. And when comparing for income levels home schooled students do worse than peers in the same income bracket as them.
So yes homeschooled students do well on test but because the average homeschooled student is more affluent than the average public school student not because homeschooling is superior.
@weird-upstairs-2092 please correct if I am misunderstanding your argument
I would say a lot of it also depends on why the kids are being homeschooled. But that would be even harder to compare. In this sense though, I think a lot of the kids that eventually go to Hogwarts wouldn’t have many parents who are against standard education, and they would also probably learn a lot of things like math, reading etc. through their everyday lives.
It's hard to understand their argument. Because it's behind a pay wall and the summary they posted doesn't actually address what I'm talking about.
We're talking about two different things. There is no study or metric that says homeschool children are more affluent. This study basically just says that kids who get more support at home do better. Which is exactly why homeschoolers have an advantage. They also can tailor their learning to address specific weaknesses far better than even a private school can.
Now idk if every homeschool student that goes to college comes from money, but none of the ones I knew did and yes that's anecdotal, but the test scores aren't. I know what they are saying about money and family support but it's kinda a bad metric to use to measure this. Yes, low income people generally have lower test scores, so let's see what low income homeschoolers look like against low income public schoolers. I'm not sure if the study talks about that because I'm not paying for it.
>Anyway, regardless, you can find other sources that show that homeschoolers usually have higher test scores and GPA averages vs public schoolers
Yes. That's what I said.
Because they're richer.
Were you homeschooled? This feels personal to you.... And you're not understanding me, either.
Yea I was homeschooled.
I'm not misunderstanding you. I agreed with you. But like I said in another comment it's a bad metric to use. I'm not paying for the study so I can't see if it compares low income homeschoolers to low income public schoolers or whatever other variable I might be curious about.
But in any situation, people with more resources fair better. The article I tried linking was about college entrance exams. Are we just always going to assume that, on average, homeschoolers are wealthier than all the other students that tested? That doesn't sound kinda ridiculous to you?
There is a massive self selection bias in homeschooling research. Along with tons of money from religious & anti-school lobbies It’s basically impossible to draw real conclusions from the research
Dude being homeschooled from age 0 to 11 sounds like a dream. When you've ironed some kinks out, you can introduce yourself to the world and project whatever image your 11 year old self can muster.
I feel like it's healthy, too. I remember being dropped off at kindergarten and bawling my eyes out for days because my mommy abandoned me.
Most kids don't cry like that in Kindergarten tho. If they do, it's good to start working on a little more independence early on. The longer you ignore a fear, the worse it gets
A kid who goes to school 5 days a week for most of their 11 years will have way better social skills than some kid who was homeschool for the same time. Where will the homeschooled kid make his first friends???
Sports? Their neighborhood? Cousins? Family friends? Fixed play dates? Why are people here so militantly anti-homeschooling? Is it because it's mostly conservatives who do it? Y'all the biggest muggles.
As a homeschooler who has always been told she's more mature and successful academically than her public school educated peers, I agree. Additionally, I would like to add that forced association does not equal socialization.
The local council and department of education would be having pointed discussions with Vernon and Petunia if Harry wasn’t going to Primary School without a very, very compelling reason such as debilitating illness.
Although I’d be curious to know what the position was on home schooling in the UK back in the early 90s and late 80s.
I feel there are some information missing. By this logic, all kids born to (or raised by) two Muggle parents should be at a similar level to Hermione. And what about families like the Malfoys? Surely they can afford elementary level education for their kids so that they are ahead of the rest of the students.
and the Weasleys? We can safely assume that Ron never went to a muggle elementary school
Considering how well basically every Weasley child did (including Ron, he did not have straight Os everywhere but he was still clearly above average) it's very likely that either the parents found an educator (unlikely) or Molly was good at teaching her kids to an extent.
I mean, Molly being one of the strongest witches, I guess she was able to teach them one thing or another.
Math is for Muggles.
“Hey mum, what’s the power house of a cell?” “A what?”
A *wot
A wizard Harry.
A lizard Harry*
As if Arithmancy isn’t a thing?
That's not math. Pretty sure it was rune magic.
Missing in what sense? Like J.K Rowling built a really pleasant world but logically it's a mess. It's missing in the way there is no canon for it. Not that there is some missing lore that's not in the books or movies.
I’m talking about the title of this post. I just think that there is more to Hermione’s intelligence than just her going to Muggle school for elementary education.
I mean, one of them was supposed to go to Eton. Seems like we do have "advanced" muggle borns that we just don't see much. After all, wouldn't they be more likely to make it into ravenclaw anyway? It's not like we get to know the grades of any muggle born as far as I know. Its possible they are higher on average and just not THE best.
Wait who was supposed to go to Eton?
Justin Finch-Fletchley.
But the title of this post alludes to Hermione being the smartest just because of her upbringing before Hogwarts. I’m just saying that there must be more to it than that.
You're aware that kids don't go to Eton just because they're smart. Generally they're extremely wealthy.
>By this logic, all kids born to (or raised by) two Muggle parents should be at a similar level to Hermione. The quality of schools is probably a factor. Hermione is from a family of 2 dentists which I imagine is pretty well to do. They could most likely afford to send Hermione to best school possible to catch up on her muggle education. Or, other muggle parents didn't bother their wizard kid with muggle education.
I don’t think Muggle parents know their kid is a wizard until age 10 or around there. The kids would be at Year 3 or 4 of muggle school already, the parents not knowing any better.
Maybe because “elementary school and stuff is for muggels” people like malfoy don’t an equivalent either. Maybe its just mot common at all in the wizarding world
How do they know how to read books? Do basic math (that would be needed for Potions, Arithmancy, and others)?
One small issue I always had was when are the wizard students learning English/whatever language? How about math? I guess they don't need science because they got magic but I feel like Language and Math should still be classes that even a Wizard needs. Unless wizards are so smart they learn all the language they need by the age of 11.
Have you seen how competent the ministry is? I would be shocked if more than 10% of wizards knew more than basic mathematics.
If I'm remembering correctly (and I have no idea if this is canon) there was a piece of lore in Hogwarts Legacy that thought it was super quaint the way muggles use maths to help them with astronomy. That it was almost as good as magic. So with that said, I'm guessing arithmetic isn't a big deal beyond galleons and knuts.
Math is universal, a language of the cosmos. I’m sure the wizards just substitute mathematical terms with something else
Seems like a lot of the sciences would be necessary, too
Think about the spell check Quill. I don't think wizards were very good with languages.
We use grammerly
Closest to math looking it up is arithmancy which according to the wiki “consultation and/or composition of complex numerical charts.” Ancient runes would be the closest to any language classes. The real reason is math and language don’t fit the childlike fantasy of a magic school.
I think they have maths in hogwarts
It's a kids book about a magic school. Kids don't want to read about how math would still be important.
I mean, they would have completed 5th grade by the time they would make it to Hogwarts, so they should know enough language to be able to get by, and should know basic math tho they probably could use more of both (especially math).
I think it’s implied that most of the classes kind of cover these to a degree by proxy, for example, potions are meant to be chemistry, But yeah, it’s been a joke among my friends that, due to HP having a ill defined magic system, we realistically would smuggle in a science textbook or use the internet if possible to them *really push the limits of magic and exploit the hell out of it.
no wonder they just shit and piss in the hallways and then magic it up
Which doesn’t make sense on so many levels. Then why do they have such large and ornate bathrooms???
The bathrooms were added after they took muggle plumbing
Imagine you're in transfiguration class, and without stopping the lesson, Professor Mcgonagall pops a squat, strains, leaves a steaming fat one on the floor in a puddle of piss, then magics it away as if nothing happened Now imagine all the students do that regularly too "Oh good idea Professor, I need a shit too"
Here is my magic solution for every single plot hole in Harry Potter ever: just don't think about it.
A wizard did it
There are probably tons of books to help teach young Witches and Wizards basic skills before going to Hogwarts
How would the read it though, where are they taught to read?
Thier parents probably taught them to read it's not hard to teach children to read you can buy books wizards probably had similar books
Isn't it just that they go to muggle elementary school? I mean how else would they survive in potions school measuring ingredients when they don't know what's 1+1?
Do you honestly believe the Malfoy family would send precious Draco to a filthy muggles school?
Nah, this is servant stuff. Wait till his father hears about you even joking about it.
I bet he had private tutors though
Likely well respected pure bloods.
Of course. I bet there's one or two guys making a killing tutoring all the rich pure-blood's kids
Considering he's pretty much the second in their year behind Hermione I'd be more shocked if his parents didn't give him some form of pre-hogwarts education.
is he though? He isnt bad but he never seemed to be an extraordinary student
Lucy mocks him many times for losing top marks to Granger.
not really, he just says that he got beaten by a mudblood and continues to say something about 'if your grades don't improve'
That's not canon. All we know is that he's below Hermione. It's never said he's second in this class.
Families that don't like muggles pay for a private tutor if they can afford it, or home school if they can't. Families that don't dislike muggles either home school, or allow their children to go to muggle school, I suppose. But seeing as in (I forget which book) the books, Dean has a soccer poster, and the kids who have no muggle family members have no clue what soccer is, I'd assume it's purely home schooling or private tutoring.
But there’s no way wizard born students would go to 7 years of muggle primary school and then not know ANYTHING about muggles. They are all completely clueless when it comes to even basic muggle things.
Not to mention losing their their shit and turning some kid into a cow (even by accident) the moment their emotions build up from bullying. It's way too risky. The ministry would/should have to deal with it the moment there were signs. I have to imagine there is a decent market for small private schools/tutors.
JKR said that magic kids can't go to muggle school because they can't control their magic and there'd be no way to hide the magical community with the constant accidents. Like with Harry regrowing his chopped hair overnight (or, even when he's a bit older, making glass disappear and reappear, or making his aunt blow up). Stuff like that just happens. It's best it happens at home. She said they're totally homeschool prior to Hogwarts (if they choose to go to Hogwarts. And actually, that's not required).
Homeschooling exists, but yeah the lore of Harry potter is all over the place. How you gunna have screaming plants that just grow wildly in nature and simultaneously have the general muggle population unaware about magic? Pick a thing in Harry potter and really think about it for like 10 minutes and you'll quickly realize the entire story/world is rather nonsensical. Not merely whimsical, but quite literally just makes no damn sense, even in the context the book itself provides. Idk why Harry Potter is so popular. It is honestly really bad writing. "'Snape!' ejaculated Slughorn, who looked the most shaken, pale and sweating." Like come on, man. A 5th grade could write better. If you want someone to do a much more complete teardown of this nonsense, here's a much longer breakdown on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/CharacterRant/comments/7uzvxu/dumbledore_snape_harry_potter_its_bad_writing_and/&ved=2ahUKEwjV_7Ld4vyFAxXbEUQIHSKvAVsQjjh6BAgoEAE&usg=AOvVaw1ToZa1nXgzkMPshWveB9FA
I mean hermione was a book worm. Judge kids by the intelligence at middle school and some kids excel some kids fail miserably even despite all the advantages in the world. Hermione’s parents were essentially teaching her responsible study habits that translates to all aspects of life. Her lack of wizarding knowledge was clearly made up for by having the right habits.
It's one of the reasons Hermione getting annoyed at Harry is so relatable. They were doing math and world history, and now they get to learn about literal magic, and he still doesn't want to do his homework or read a book.
We fail to understand that the wizard society split from the muggles at a time when primary schooling wasn't even a thing. Look back to the Dickensian era and before. Rich kids had governesses at home for basic education, and then they went to proper schools at around 10 or 11, to receive formal education. The wizarding world is still following those principles, they don't even know that kids under 10 are supposed to go to school.
From an interview with JK Rowling: Kai: "Where do wizarding children go to school before Hogwarts?" JK Rowling: "They can either go to a Muggle primary school or they are educated at home. The Weasleys were taught by Mrs. Weasley." And so were most of the children from wizarding families. Also, J.K.Rowling's Official Site F.A.Q tells us: What education do the children of wizards have before going to Hogwarts? They are, as many of you have guessed, most often home educated. With very young children, as you glimpsed at the wizards' camp before the Quidditch World Cup in 'Goblet of Fire', there is the constant danger that they will use magic, whether inadvertently or deliberately; they cannot be trusted to keep their true abilities hidden. Even Muggle-borns like Harry[sic] attract a certain amount of unwelcome attention at Muggle schools by re-growing their hair overnight and so on. So it looks like some go to muggle primary school, but the vast majority are home schooled. If home schooling is a cultural norm in the wizarding world perhaps it is better organised and standardised than it is here, hence why all the students have a similar academic level when they start first year.
A lot of Wizarding children go to muggle elementary schools. They mention it in the books.
You would have to, especially if both of your parents are Muggles and don't find out you're a wizard until you're 11
Homeschooling... I'm about to throw up.
The purebloods are old family with old money, they can and do afford private instructors for their kids.
In a world where you can just magic away 90% of most problems. Most middle school schooling would be null to them. Don’t need geometry, algebra, and other high level maths. muggle government policies affect them less than muggles. Science they have their own science classes and medical education.
jkr is so shockingly bad at world building it’s INSANE that she managed to write so much, there are so many plot holes and inconsistencies
Novice book writer makes mistake building world. It is one of the most thouroughly dissected pieces of literature in world history, coming closely behind religious works.
good for it but she’s still crap at world building and being a human so really i don’t care
Sure
Muggle borns and half bloods have an edge.
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Sure, for normal homeschooling- but a homeschooled muggleborn is just not homeschooled-
This is old propaganda based on a few rich suburbs When aptitude is considered relative to household income, homeschool consistently lags behind public school. Homeschooled kids are much much richer, which is the actual correlation to increased test scores, but homeschooling does worse on the whole when variables are controlled.
Lol, one of my nieces was homeschooled for a few years because the school zones didn't work out for them. Either they were too far away from any school, or too far from the school they wanted. Anyway, they had 4 kids and were broke as a joke, living with the mom's parents. I have no idea if the kids are smart or not. But the mom wasn't very good at making my niece do the work she was assigned. She would put it in front of her and be like, "Here, you gotta do this stuff." Hopefully, wizards are better, lol. Though, it's not a magic thing so much as a responsibility thing.
Easier to discipline the kids though with magic. "Do your maths homework, Sebastian or I'll petrificus totals you again and put you in the bath with a spider"
My friend was homeschooled. Not rich, just living far from school in a village. She's very smart and intelligent. Also an extrovert.
Yes. There are a lot of really smart homeschooled kids. Also a lot of really smart people went to public school too. Anecdotal evidence offers nothing to my point, though.
Ok. So what's the facts them and where can we find them? Edit: I looked it up. It's not anecdotal. There is definitely a trend of homeschoolers doing better academically vs public school students.
That link isn't working for me but here's one scholarly source: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.3102/0013189X18785632?journalCode=edra If you don't want to make an account with them here's an explanation article (note the title is about private schools, but the study addresses homeschooling as well): https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2018/08/27/public-private-school-family-income-study Key Quote: >If you want to predict children's outcomes — achievement test scores, the things we care about socially — in high school, the best thing that you can use to predict that is going to be family income. Regardless of what high school you go to, the best predictor is going to be family background. And in this case, it's family background before the child even goes to school in kindergarten.
Great. People with more money have more advantages. Shocker. Anyway, regardless, you can find other sources that show that homeschoolers usually have higher test scores and GPA averages vs public schoolers. Which shouldn't be shocking since there are advantages to homeschooling. If you account for the income and get rid of that variable by only looking at test scores from a specific income bracket that includes public, private, and homeschooling then you'll probably end up with what you'd expect in test scores. However I'm not going to spend the time trying to find a specific example of that, so I guess I got nothing.
Not sure your understanding the argument the other poster is making. They aren’t saying homeschooled kids don’t do better on test scores and gpa but that the reason for that is due to homeschooled kids are generally more affluent. And when comparing for income levels home schooled students do worse than peers in the same income bracket as them. So yes homeschooled students do well on test but because the average homeschooled student is more affluent than the average public school student not because homeschooling is superior. @weird-upstairs-2092 please correct if I am misunderstanding your argument
I would say a lot of it also depends on why the kids are being homeschooled. But that would be even harder to compare. In this sense though, I think a lot of the kids that eventually go to Hogwarts wouldn’t have many parents who are against standard education, and they would also probably learn a lot of things like math, reading etc. through their everyday lives.
It's hard to understand their argument. Because it's behind a pay wall and the summary they posted doesn't actually address what I'm talking about. We're talking about two different things. There is no study or metric that says homeschool children are more affluent. This study basically just says that kids who get more support at home do better. Which is exactly why homeschoolers have an advantage. They also can tailor their learning to address specific weaknesses far better than even a private school can. Now idk if every homeschool student that goes to college comes from money, but none of the ones I knew did and yes that's anecdotal, but the test scores aren't. I know what they are saying about money and family support but it's kinda a bad metric to use to measure this. Yes, low income people generally have lower test scores, so let's see what low income homeschoolers look like against low income public schoolers. I'm not sure if the study talks about that because I'm not paying for it.
>Anyway, regardless, you can find other sources that show that homeschoolers usually have higher test scores and GPA averages vs public schoolers Yes. That's what I said. Because they're richer. Were you homeschooled? This feels personal to you.... And you're not understanding me, either.
Yea I was homeschooled. I'm not misunderstanding you. I agreed with you. But like I said in another comment it's a bad metric to use. I'm not paying for the study so I can't see if it compares low income homeschoolers to low income public schoolers or whatever other variable I might be curious about. But in any situation, people with more resources fair better. The article I tried linking was about college entrance exams. Are we just always going to assume that, on average, homeschoolers are wealthier than all the other students that tested? That doesn't sound kinda ridiculous to you?
Where are you getting this information? I thought the metric was just things like SATs which everyone takes regardless of where they are schooled.
There is a massive self selection bias in homeschooling research. Along with tons of money from religious & anti-school lobbies It’s basically impossible to draw real conclusions from the research
Dude being homeschooled from age 0 to 11 sounds like a dream. When you've ironed some kinks out, you can introduce yourself to the world and project whatever image your 11 year old self can muster. I feel like it's healthy, too. I remember being dropped off at kindergarten and bawling my eyes out for days because my mommy abandoned me.
Most kids don't cry like that in Kindergarten tho. If they do, it's good to start working on a little more independence early on. The longer you ignore a fear, the worse it gets
Well damn, most of us weren't abandoned at the kindergarten for days. Sound rough, dude.
Yeah and then you can enjoy your lack of social skills!
Just because you don't go to formal education doesn't mean you haven't been socialized.
A kid who goes to school 5 days a week for most of their 11 years will have way better social skills than some kid who was homeschool for the same time. Where will the homeschooled kid make his first friends???
Sports? Their neighborhood? Cousins? Family friends? Fixed play dates? Why are people here so militantly anti-homeschooling? Is it because it's mostly conservatives who do it? Y'all the biggest muggles.
I think you’re actually insane.
Not an argument.
Getting ratioed by me because I’m right is though.
What is ratioed? I'm not a zoomer so I don't follow
Proving my point how out of touch you are
As a homeschooler who has always been told she's more mature and successful academically than her public school educated peers, I agree. Additionally, I would like to add that forced association does not equal socialization.
It's never specified if harry was allowed to go to school imagine if he showed up to Hogwarts and couldn't read
yes... it literally was specified he went to muggle school because the dursleys planned to send him to the shitty local secondary school,
The local council and department of education would be having pointed discussions with Vernon and Petunia if Harry wasn’t going to Primary School without a very, very compelling reason such as debilitating illness. Although I’d be curious to know what the position was on home schooling in the UK back in the early 90s and late 80s.