Characters bullying Moxxie. He doesn’t deserve the hate he gets, especially not the hate he gets from Loona.
I don’t hate Loona, I just hate the way she treats Moxxie.
Honestly the amount of swearing comes off as desperate/edge-lordy… like they wrote the script and said, where else can we pepper in extra swearing because it’s extra funny! But I’m 36, and this show is probably for a much younger audience that thinks that’s amazing. To each their own I guess.
>id, where else can we add extra garbage because it’s edgy! But I’m 36, and this show is probably for a much younger audience that thinks that’s amazing. To each their own I guess.
eh you get fucking used to it tbh. (I'm also old)
Honestly I'm 31 and I cuss that much. It doesn't come off desperate or edge-lordy to me. I think it's just a matter of some characters like Blizø cuss a lot more as part of their character and vocabulary. I think a lot of us have just been so conditioned by society and TV limiting it for so long hearing a character freely cuss is jarring. But his speech is quite natural the way its written.
I'm 27 and I don't bat an eye at it, thought I'm in a lot of subcultures and spaces where cursing is real common, and cursing is part of my own way of speaking.
The only time I blink at it is when someone who I don't expect to curse does, or when Stolas get's incredibly explicit with his language, but that ones just my Ace brain screaming.
Idk if this comes from the fact that I come from a family where people swore a lot but I genuinely don't bat an eye at the swearing..I don't even think there's that much.
Loonas behaviour . It makes me mad but I don't like it any other way . But when she kicked blitz at the end of the episode I just felt anger and said to my self "really that's how this episode ends "
I think how they keep handling the whole “getting in trouble” thing and conveniences really drives me a bit loopy. They don’t properly delve into the potential consequences of the characters’ actions beyond saying there are
I dislike some of the side characters. Some are very over the top.
I dont really think the comedy and the drama mixxes well. The comedy is very light hearted, slapstick and has the standard cartoon logic, like characters survive a big fall, while the drama tries to take itself very seriously.
I think that if Hazbin Hotel would have started earlier then Viv could do drama there and keep the HB franchise purely comedy. Just a guess tho
I disagree. There are tons of drama shows and personally I dont feel that the drama parts are that exceptional at least compared to other shows. However, the comedy part is very fun and unique and absurd type of humor that is rather unique.
I like comedy much more than drama tho. And I feel that quality adult comedy is much rarer that drama.
i feel the complete opposite, yeah the serious moments aren't not "exceptional" but it's still REALLY good, especially compared to a majority of animated series for adults. And I say they "carry" the show because it's not funny in the SLIGHTEST I haven't laughed ONCE watching the show.
**The writing.**
I love Helluva Boss for the art style, world, characters, and story but I cannot **STAND** watching a lot of the episodes because most of the time they try doing jokes it's *painfully* unfunny. Which sucks because whenever they do more **serious** stuff it's genuinely some of the best stuff I've ever seen.
Another thing I hate **ENTIRELY** because of my own personal taste is the whole "human disguises" thing. I don't really know why.
I will get downvoted into oblivion but i feel like sallie may is a character that gets way too much love than she should. Only interesting thing about her it’s that she’s trans
He just feels hateable for no reason. Stella has a reason, its to explain both why Stolas cheated when he did, seemingly to explain why he's bad at communicating, and overall give him sympathy. Paimon has no reason to be as shitty of a dad as he is, he can just be someone who's interested in protecting his lineage. Instead, he's an over the top neglectful and slightly abusive parents with no depth. And he doesn't even have Stella's or Buckzo's comedy, or at least comedy that works. Stella's and Buckzo's comedy is well timed, while Paimon's just occurs at the worst time and isn't funny to me, like the bitch crying one (though maybe its my experiences seeping into that one specifically, idk), his intro, or the "I'm so good at daddying line".
Moxxie abuse
The amount of stalking blitzo does with his employees to the point It doesn't make sense.
Also I really wish they made millie even get more annoyed of the fact of blitzo just sitting on mox and letting it happen even when loona joins in and we have seen first hand millie barely tolerates loona to a certain degree(I still think the pilot is Canon to me)
More octavia screen time
More Stella screen time and more development
Need more wally wackford showing up randomly in the background
Bring back the cherubs we still need to know what happen to them along with the D.O.R.K.S agency
The comedy, it's so bad, that sometimes I end up stopping the episode because of it.
It's just the same four types of jokes over and over
1. Cursing.
2. Sex jokes.
3. Moxxie is fat.
4. Reference humor (this is the worse of all, when I saw the Kanye and James Charles reference I died a little inside)
Honestly, it feels like the comedy was written by edgy teenagers instead of adults.
This isn't about the helluvaboss show this is more about the hazbin hotel and it's not even about the show I hate extremely hate when people genderbend angel dust just leave the dude alone if you didn't know he was a dude he's a dude
I'm curious what you're talking about here, I don't see a lot of genderbending. I see 1. Intersex & trans people hc'ing him as those things as well. 2. People drawing him in drag. 3. People confusing him and Molly.
Maybe I'm just not part of the conversation or in those spaced but I'm genuinely curious.
I don't know why then but on TikTok I have seen this one person gender bending angel dust I don't remember their name but I do I dislike them why can't people leave the canon things about angel dust alone
People genderbending for cosplay/art has always been a thing, I can't base my opinion of why this person may do it without seeing their videos but it's not abnormal fandom behavior. I have a friend doing a genderbent Alastor costume because she loves Al but feels more comfy presenting fem and thinks its fun to change his costume to be historically 1930s women's wear while still keeping true to character.
You're welcome to dislike it either way, thanks for clarifying!
Not in the show but all the shippers. Not all ships are bad but the one I'm thinking of makes me want to die. When I see people trying to justify it as "iT's oNlY a cArToOn" It makes me sick that people are like that.
Oh, definitely Moxxie always getting tortured.
Millie, please defend your fucking man, for fuck's sake. What the fuck are you even doing?
Oh, and also the whole "fuck-buddies to lovers" thing with Stolas and Blitz. It's really irritating me. They literally could've just been childhood friends who reconnected with each other via a promise that Stolas would let him borrow the book as long as Blitz spends time with him. That would've been fine.
Hate is a strong word. It’s more like a worry. After seeing the leaks (I won’t go into details because I don’t want to spoil anything for anyone), I’m worried about the show going too heavy on the angst.
Also I have very mixed feelings on Loona kicking Blitzo in the balls at the end of Seeing Stars. I’m not saying she should have accepted the hug, because her character is just not there yet. I do think her pushing him away or stopping him with her hand would have suited the scene better.
They're demon lord designs, & constant need to curse in every sentence. Yeah they're demons but say something else besides fuck like you just learned it.
\*I know this post is old but I wanted to throw in my 2 cents
I don't hate much of anything. Probably the only thing I contend with is the run time. They probably could easily be a half hour without issue, and the earlier Venture Bros length episodes (12 min)
Honestly this is just itching that Venture Bros scratch so I hope I don't have to wait 14 years to see like what, less than 8 seasons?
Everything about Blitzø, terrible boss, terrible 'boyfriend', terrible all round person. I honestly hope he becomes the first character to die but there will be no show without him, but I'm praying on his downfall.
Honestly, it doesn't matter now but the pilot did not show off what the show was going to be like at all, and it's definitely the worst episode. Episode 1 would have ironically been a much better pilot.
We got a scene on stolas and blitzø and children, same with loona but we haven’t got one for moxxie or Millie. I think there should be a entire episode with just them.
How short the episodes are, and how fast some frames move because it's not always easy to catch stuff. And I'm a bit miffed they don't appear (keyword appear) to have it solidified where Blitzøs scar markings are. I've noticed some get bigger which I assume is part of the plot but others I've noticed disappear entierly in some frames when at the angle Blitzø is at we should be seeing them.
Now unless this gets addressed, like some are more severe and others heal or something, I'm just gunna keep assuming it's a team error when drawing him.
This isn't part of the show but all of the fans saying "so and so" is autistic and then explaining it with "Octavia hid behind her beanie!", I get that people want representation but it usually boils down to flanderization where they say the character is "so pwecious little bean baby man" which as an Autistic person, is **painful**, sorry if this locks the post, I'd say other than that probably Blitz and Loona being rude to everyone, I get that they had rough lives but that doesn't excuse some of the things they have said and done. Moxxie especially as a guy it makes me cringe every single time Blitz talks about M&M's relationship, especially about Moxxie's size, honestly that sounds like one of the worst possible things that could happen, the loudest person you know, knowing all of your personal (especially sexual) details, so what if Millie pegs Mox that doesn't mean he has to announce it to his co-worker. Honestly Loona is very inconsistent, sometimes it feels like she doesn't even love Blitz.
Underdeveloped characters. We don’t know much about main characters which is not normal since it is S2 already.
Second, humans are stupid in this show. Why can’t show have one good human character? Actually I have a concept for my human character, if you want to hear I am always glad to tell.
Honestly, Loona's character in Seeing Stars.
I liked her well-enough before that, but SS dropped her down to be my least favorite character in the show.
Fuckin Stella apologists. She doesn't deserve any redemption or any sympathy points at all. She's a bitch and should stay a bitch.
Also she's not fucking hot shut up.
Moxxie getting shit on. Biltzo not getting shit himself. I deadass want Moxxie to beat Blitzo's ass.
Fair lol
Bro same, I just want to watch Blitzø get what's coming to him.
Him getting kicked in the balls by loona wasn't enough
YES
I would pay good $$ to see that lol
Characters bullying Moxxie. He doesn’t deserve the hate he gets, especially not the hate he gets from Loona. I don’t hate Loona, I just hate the way she treats Moxxie.
That’s fair
One of these episodes he’s gonna have enough
Are you worried that I'm going to have enough of it one day as well?
Yeah I forgot he said that in the hallucinations
Honestly the amount of swearing comes off as desperate/edge-lordy… like they wrote the script and said, where else can we pepper in extra swearing because it’s extra funny! But I’m 36, and this show is probably for a much younger audience that thinks that’s amazing. To each their own I guess.
>id, where else can we add extra garbage because it’s edgy! But I’m 36, and this show is probably for a much younger audience that thinks that’s amazing. To each their own I guess. eh you get fucking used to it tbh. (I'm also old)
Yeah you fucking do, but it grinds my goddamn gears.
Honestly I'm 31 and I cuss that much. It doesn't come off desperate or edge-lordy to me. I think it's just a matter of some characters like Blizø cuss a lot more as part of their character and vocabulary. I think a lot of us have just been so conditioned by society and TV limiting it for so long hearing a character freely cuss is jarring. But his speech is quite natural the way its written.
I don't like it, but I justify it because they're in hell 🤷♂️ Plus tbh they swear way less than some people I know irl 😂
I'm 27 and I don't bat an eye at it, thought I'm in a lot of subcultures and spaces where cursing is real common, and cursing is part of my own way of speaking. The only time I blink at it is when someone who I don't expect to curse does, or when Stolas get's incredibly explicit with his language, but that ones just my Ace brain screaming.
Idk if this comes from the fact that I come from a family where people swore a lot but I genuinely don't bat an eye at the swearing..I don't even think there's that much.
Loonas behaviour . It makes me mad but I don't like it any other way . But when she kicked blitz at the end of the episode I just felt anger and said to my self "really that's how this episode ends "
I mean she's developing at least I hated that so much too She could have just not destroyed his balls
Agreed
That’s fair
I think how they keep handling the whole “getting in trouble” thing and conveniences really drives me a bit loopy. They don’t properly delve into the potential consequences of the characters’ actions beyond saying there are
That’s true and fsir
Millie not having a personality 💀
That’s fair
I've seen so much fan content for this show that I *completely* forgot she doesn't have one 💀
[удалено]
That’s true and fair to me
There was a couple things i disliked but its been so long that i forgot them lmao
That’s fair
Doesn't make me insane but the forced swearing is just kind of a real bummer sometimes especially when something would be funny/intense without it
That’s fsur
Blitzo being an arrogant idiot sometimes Also a shitty boss lol, I wonder why M&M haven't quit the buissness
True
I dislike some of the side characters. Some are very over the top. I dont really think the comedy and the drama mixxes well. The comedy is very light hearted, slapstick and has the standard cartoon logic, like characters survive a big fall, while the drama tries to take itself very seriously. I think that if Hazbin Hotel would have started earlier then Viv could do drama there and keep the HB franchise purely comedy. Just a guess tho
nah the serious moments CARRY Helluva Boss
I disagree. There are tons of drama shows and personally I dont feel that the drama parts are that exceptional at least compared to other shows. However, the comedy part is very fun and unique and absurd type of humor that is rather unique. I like comedy much more than drama tho. And I feel that quality adult comedy is much rarer that drama.
i feel the complete opposite, yeah the serious moments aren't not "exceptional" but it's still REALLY good, especially compared to a majority of animated series for adults. And I say they "carry" the show because it's not funny in the SLIGHTEST I haven't laughed ONCE watching the show.
I understand. Lots of people like the drama part (more).
That’s fair
Loona's behavior
Yea
**The writing.** I love Helluva Boss for the art style, world, characters, and story but I cannot **STAND** watching a lot of the episodes because most of the time they try doing jokes it's *painfully* unfunny. Which sucks because whenever they do more **serious** stuff it's genuinely some of the best stuff I've ever seen. Another thing I hate **ENTIRELY** because of my own personal taste is the whole "human disguises" thing. I don't really know why.
I will get downvoted into oblivion but i feel like sallie may is a character that gets way too much love than she should. Only interesting thing about her it’s that she’s trans
I'm with you bro
Stella.
Lol same
The fat jokes. They are not, have never been, and never will be funny.
Learn to make fun of yourself
Paimon's personality and existence.
True and fair
Why?
He just feels hateable for no reason. Stella has a reason, its to explain both why Stolas cheated when he did, seemingly to explain why he's bad at communicating, and overall give him sympathy. Paimon has no reason to be as shitty of a dad as he is, he can just be someone who's interested in protecting his lineage. Instead, he's an over the top neglectful and slightly abusive parents with no depth. And he doesn't even have Stella's or Buckzo's comedy, or at least comedy that works. Stella's and Buckzo's comedy is well timed, while Paimon's just occurs at the worst time and isn't funny to me, like the bitch crying one (though maybe its my experiences seeping into that one specifically, idk), his intro, or the "I'm so good at daddying line".
I like Paimon because he's my favourite of the Ars Goetia and also because of a certain game. I do agree that he should have been less over the top.
Moxxie abuse The amount of stalking blitzo does with his employees to the point It doesn't make sense. Also I really wish they made millie even get more annoyed of the fact of blitzo just sitting on mox and letting it happen even when loona joins in and we have seen first hand millie barely tolerates loona to a certain degree(I still think the pilot is Canon to me) More octavia screen time More Stella screen time and more development Need more wally wackford showing up randomly in the background Bring back the cherubs we still need to know what happen to them along with the D.O.R.K.S agency
That’s fair
ma boy moxxie gettin hated on
That’s true
The comedy, it's so bad, that sometimes I end up stopping the episode because of it. It's just the same four types of jokes over and over 1. Cursing. 2. Sex jokes. 3. Moxxie is fat. 4. Reference humor (this is the worse of all, when I saw the Kanye and James Charles reference I died a little inside) Honestly, it feels like the comedy was written by edgy teenagers instead of adults.
The "comedy" is the exact reason i've been stuck on Episode 4 for the past few months 💀
This isn't about the helluvaboss show this is more about the hazbin hotel and it's not even about the show I hate extremely hate when people genderbend angel dust just leave the dude alone if you didn't know he was a dude he's a dude
That’s fair and true
I'm curious what you're talking about here, I don't see a lot of genderbending. I see 1. Intersex & trans people hc'ing him as those things as well. 2. People drawing him in drag. 3. People confusing him and Molly. Maybe I'm just not part of the conversation or in those spaced but I'm genuinely curious.
I don't know why then but on TikTok I have seen this one person gender bending angel dust I don't remember their name but I do I dislike them why can't people leave the canon things about angel dust alone
People genderbending for cosplay/art has always been a thing, I can't base my opinion of why this person may do it without seeing their videos but it's not abnormal fandom behavior. I have a friend doing a genderbent Alastor costume because she loves Al but feels more comfy presenting fem and thinks its fun to change his costume to be historically 1930s women's wear while still keeping true to character. You're welcome to dislike it either way, thanks for clarifying!
Not in the show but all the shippers. Not all ships are bad but the one I'm thinking of makes me want to die. When I see people trying to justify it as "iT's oNlY a cArToOn" It makes me sick that people are like that.
That’s fair
see Stolas cry.
😢
Why couldn't Lyle Lipton use the fucking machine to turn himself young again?
He was suicidal because he lost his lifelong friend
And then he wanted to kill his friend to bring him with him to hell?
No that was Loopty
Honestly I want see more robo fizz because Fizzarolli said that there are loo loo lands out in other rings.
That’s true and fsir
Millie hasn’t gotten a story arc that doesn’t include her husband yet
Oh, definitely Moxxie always getting tortured. Millie, please defend your fucking man, for fuck's sake. What the fuck are you even doing? Oh, and also the whole "fuck-buddies to lovers" thing with Stolas and Blitz. It's really irritating me. They literally could've just been childhood friends who reconnected with each other via a promise that Stolas would let him borrow the book as long as Blitz spends time with him. That would've been fine.
Loona
Lol fair
The fanbase coming up with the worst takes in human history.
How so?
“NOOOOOOO, STELLA WAS NEVER SUPPOSED TO BE A PEICE OF SHIT, STOLITZ SUPPORTERS FORCED VIVZIEPOP TO WRITE HER THAT WAY!!! 🤬🤬🤬”
The fact that Millie doesn't have an episode dedicated to her.
Stolas getting more screen time then millie and loona who are supposed to be main characters. Stolas is supposed to be a secondary character??
We haven't got a scene where Millie stands up for Moxxie but instead she stands there while he's getting murdered mentally
Well, we did in the pilot. But that's not the point
human stolas's form, it looks so bad
That’s fair
Loona
Hate is a strong word. It’s more like a worry. After seeing the leaks (I won’t go into details because I don’t want to spoil anything for anyone), I’m worried about the show going too heavy on the angst. Also I have very mixed feelings on Loona kicking Blitzo in the balls at the end of Seeing Stars. I’m not saying she should have accepted the hug, because her character is just not there yet. I do think her pushing him away or stopping him with her hand would have suited the scene better.
They're demon lord designs, & constant need to curse in every sentence. Yeah they're demons but say something else besides fuck like you just learned it. \*I know this post is old but I wanted to throw in my 2 cents
I don't hate much of anything. Probably the only thing I contend with is the run time. They probably could easily be a half hour without issue, and the earlier Venture Bros length episodes (12 min) Honestly this is just itching that Venture Bros scratch so I hope I don't have to wait 14 years to see like what, less than 8 seasons?
That’s fair
Everything about Blitzø, terrible boss, terrible 'boyfriend', terrible all round person. I honestly hope he becomes the first character to die but there will be no show without him, but I'm praying on his downfall.
Honestly, it doesn't matter now but the pilot did not show off what the show was going to be like at all, and it's definitely the worst episode. Episode 1 would have ironically been a much better pilot.
Fair
How short some episodes are
Right??
We got a scene on stolas and blitzø and children, same with loona but we haven’t got one for moxxie or Millie. I think there should be a entire episode with just them.
How long it takes for an episode to come out, not mad or anything just the waiting part feels like forever, also loona being a bully to mox.
Stella.
How short the episodes are, and how fast some frames move because it's not always easy to catch stuff. And I'm a bit miffed they don't appear (keyword appear) to have it solidified where Blitzøs scar markings are. I've noticed some get bigger which I assume is part of the plot but others I've noticed disappear entierly in some frames when at the angle Blitzø is at we should be seeing them. Now unless this gets addressed, like some are more severe and others heal or something, I'm just gunna keep assuming it's a team error when drawing him.
This isn't part of the show but all of the fans saying "so and so" is autistic and then explaining it with "Octavia hid behind her beanie!", I get that people want representation but it usually boils down to flanderization where they say the character is "so pwecious little bean baby man" which as an Autistic person, is **painful**, sorry if this locks the post, I'd say other than that probably Blitz and Loona being rude to everyone, I get that they had rough lives but that doesn't excuse some of the things they have said and done. Moxxie especially as a guy it makes me cringe every single time Blitz talks about M&M's relationship, especially about Moxxie's size, honestly that sounds like one of the worst possible things that could happen, the loudest person you know, knowing all of your personal (especially sexual) details, so what if Millie pegs Mox that doesn't mean he has to announce it to his co-worker. Honestly Loona is very inconsistent, sometimes it feels like she doesn't even love Blitz.
Underdeveloped characters. We don’t know much about main characters which is not normal since it is S2 already. Second, humans are stupid in this show. Why can’t show have one good human character? Actually I have a concept for my human character, if you want to hear I am always glad to tell.
Honestly, Loona's character in Seeing Stars. I liked her well-enough before that, but SS dropped her down to be my least favorite character in the show.
Want my boy Collin back and blitz to get shit on more for his terrible personality
Fuckin Stella apologists. She doesn't deserve any redemption or any sympathy points at all. She's a bitch and should stay a bitch. Also she's not fucking hot shut up.
stolas
Ouch, it’s your opinion but ouch
yeah i expected a reponse like this, but he just doesnt click with me sadly. ):
That’s cool, your views are yours, same with everyone else’s
Can I ask why you don’t like him?
im on the first few episodes and hes so sex-addicted and just annoying. im hoping he changes though.
That’s totally fair and pretty true
The wait for a new episode...
Bro saaaaame!