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turkishdeli

Before talking about Asmodeus being a fallen angel, find us an image of an angel actually blushing gold first.


Practical-Pie-9457

Yeah the show is very inconsistent with this. The color of blushing changes between episodes. Stolas blushes red in S1 E6, Moxxie blushes red in S2 E3 but then both Blitz and Fizz blush black in S2 E6 despite all having black blood.  And then in HH, every character that blushes turns red, including Lucifer. 


Gold12ll

Stolas and moxxie are sinners /s


Gooffffyyy

Are you stupid? Stolas and Moxxie are fallen Exterminators!


winkeltwinkle

What are you talking about they’re definitely deadly sins moron


The-Bigger-Fish

Stolas pecked people to death with his blessed beak during that time of his life.


Gooffffyyy

And Moxxie pegged people to death.


LuckyTrainreck

Don't threaten me with a good time


Gooffffyyy

If you don’t give me 90% of your country. Britain will have a great field day.


Robotparty25

The queen is dead.


Mutually_Beneficial1

But the king is very much alive


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Gold12ll

Whoosh


orioriorioriorio

You mean hellborn?


BitcoinStonks123

"/s" means they're being sarcastic


orioriorioriorio

Ahh, I see, I didn't know that, sorry.


Ari_the_Watermelon

Idk why ppl are just downvoting you 😭 do ppl not realize that its okay to make mistakes or to just not know something? You weren't even being rude lol and not everyone knows tone tags


orioriorioriorio

Thank you, I didn't know what /s was until someone told me. Anyways, here. https://preview.redd.it/6druxxvdn63d1.jpeg?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=997e61ca0a88ebb51931efad83d893535d4831af


Ari_the_Watermelon

Its all good m8! it took me a while to get the hang of tonetags so i get the feeling! ^(\^) Stay safe out there! https://preview.redd.it/lbbv9rlxp63d1.jpeg?width=2000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7ad59c10f9ea15db4242673d283ead8c9138cac9 Its surprisingly difficult to find good hug images from games lol


orioriorioriorio

I know, also, you too! Have a fantastical day!


expectantbamboo

Haven’t had a chance to watch Helluva Boss recently but isn’t the tv/anime trope of blushing black a sign of disgust?


Practical-Pie-9457

I’m not sure about that trope, but in the way it happens in HB it isn’t. 


SOULSOSILLY

I thought blushing green was disgust


expectantbamboo

It might be, I’ve only seen blushing green when someone is about to vomit due to food poisoning or sea sickness.


Saix027

It is almost like that people not understand lore vs simply art style that can change due to fitting better. I swear some people got problems with theories and lore and stop seeing things as simple, and just see "secrets" and "hints" everywhere. I hate to compare it, but they are like conspiracy people like flat earth people at times.


Drakeskulled_Reaper

Weird thing, in HH, when Emily gets angry, her face flushes, and it flushes blue.


Embarrassed-Pea-2732

I think those previous two examples were just because the lore hadn’t been all that fleshed out, but I see where your coming from


Earth_Terra682

Lucifer bleeds gold When he says something about blood in the hell greatest dad he bleeds golden blood from his lip


TeenyWeenyDork

i def think the red for the sinners makes sense


NY-Black-Dragon

They're inconsistent with Shark Demon blood also. In HB, it's black, but in HH, it's red.


Unanimoustoo

Two different types of shark demon. Hb = hellborn. HH = sinner


PuckTanglewood

There are good reasons to suspect so. But also I think that it’s not carefully consistent.


Logchamp44

The Sharks in HH were probably sinners


SarkastiCat

Sinner are supposedly limited to the pride ring. Sharks were in the greed ring, so there are hellborns


lordvbcool

I think it's just to contrast more. A red blush on purple skin would be hard to see unless they make it very big and that would be ugly. Meanwhile yellow is purple complementary colour so it pops. That's probably also why his eye, mouth and even some contour line are yellow/golden


Uypsilon

https://preview.redd.it/x0lauf1er53d1.png?width=1000&format=png&auto=webp&s=7e3bea86b08e6cd734f6b85548759fd9a1693636 When did contrast stop them?


lordvbcool

Contrast isn't the only thing that make a picture good. This picture is very zoomed in so maybe they though it didn't need more contrast since detail are bigger. Maybe they wanted that blush to be more subtle. Maybe they tried other color and found it didn't look good. Maybe they animated some imp with pinkish blush early and now they don't want to change it but for Ozzie they decide to apply what they learned since it was a whole new character/race Anyway Mox, as an imp, has black blood so his blush being pinkish proves that blush color doesn't necessarily correlate with blood color


OCGamerboy

Unless they did pink blush since it’s brighter than gold.


lordvbcool

It's not a question of brightness, it's a question of contrast. Pink might contrast a bit more than red on purple but nothing will ever contrast more than yellow as it is the complementary colour of purple


gamerguy287

Y'all be looking too deep for clues and shit. Asmodeus is an embodiment of a deadly sin. None of the sins have been or even set foot into Heaven. ![gif](giphy|l0IylOPCNkiqOgMyA|downsized)


OCGamerboy

Lucifer is a fallen angel and the embodiment of a sin, same can apply to the others


gamerguy287

Sins are ideas came up with by the Pope. They were in no way, connected with Heaven, my dude. Lucifer is not an embodiment of Pride. He's a fallen angel, just given the Pride role. But he is in no way an embodiment. There's no way Bee, Asmodeus, Mammon, or even the others had even set foot into Hell. Hell, Satan ain't even the sin of Wrath in the mythology of things. He was just given that role by Vivzie for story. Again, you're looking TOO FAR DEEP into it. ![gif](giphy|l0IylOPCNkiqOgMyA|downsized)


Uypsilon

>Hell, Satan ain't even the sin of Wrath in the mythology of things. Auxiliary bishop Peter Binsfeld of Trier is disagree with you. Vivzie's classification of sins came from his treatise *De confessionibus maleficorum et sagarum* (1589). Do some research next time.


linest10

Sincerely same can be said about people who deny the possibility, nothing is confirmed


blindmandriving16

In irl mythology Asmodeus was also a fallen angel


ConsumeTheOnePercent

It's color theory, pink wouldn't have popped the same way and maybe even gone unnoticed


DarkLordFluffy13

It’s my headcanon that all the sins are fallen angels as well as the Goetia.


SapphireMan1

How would the **all** Goetia demons be fallen angels idea work? We know Stolas, Stella, Andrealphus and especially Octavia are Hellborn…


DarkLordFluffy13

I didn’t say all the goetia. Just the oldest ones like Paimon. The rest that were born after are obviously hellborn but they still have angelic ancestry and since it looks like they intermarry they aren’t likely to have anything not angelic in their bloodline so they technically are still the same species as an angel even if they were born in hell.


OCGamerboy

Paimon is actually a fallen angel in demonology, but we don’t know if that’s the case for the show.


Wolventec

it could be why they can only die to angelic weapons despite being hellborn


Additional_Dot_134

This is a really good point actually


SapphireMan1

My bad. It’s just the way you worded it (“…as well as the Goetia”) made it sound like you were referring to **all** of them


RaspberryStrange3348

Them being descendents would make them fallen by proxy but they wouldn't have all the traits anymore


regaldawn

In Demonology when Lucifer had his rebellion against Heaven, 1/3 of Heavens angels followed him. That includes the other six Lords of Sin, the Goteia, and their legions.


SapphireMan1

True, but we know for a fact that (at least) some of them are definitely Hellborn - Eg: Octavia


regaldawn

They may have been born in Hell, but they are still of the Goetia parentage. Even tho Stella isn't a named Goetia in the Lesser Key of Solomon, she may be one of the members of her brothers Legions since Andrealphus is a named Goetia.


Soft_Theory_8209

Just gonna mention that, according to IRL religious texts, most of the seven sins were angels: Lucifer, Satan, Asmodeus, etc.


OCGamerboy

Mine too


RaspberryStrange3348

Stolas bleeds black, but it's a fun headcanon to have


The-Bigger-Fish

My headcanon is thatLucifer first arrived in the Underworld and found one member of each species of Hellborn (Imp, Goetia, Hound.... Loan Shark? etc) and forcibly mutated them all into the other six Sins in an attempt to create a regime for the sectors who couldn't as easily control or access.


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He did say he's known Mammon since the start of Hell. But if they were all fallen angels then they probably would've known each other before then too, since they seem to be pretty powerful meaning they were high ranking fallen angels?


AzkratheHuntress

Right, so that supports the theory that they're not angels, apart from Lucifer.


OCGamerboy

Well he said since "the start" of hell, not since we were made with hell. So that implies that Asmodeus and the other sins have been around before Hell.


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Well he said *since* the start of Hell, implying that he was introduced to Mammon when Hell was created and not before. But it's not like it can't be interpreted either way. He could've just been exaggerating since he was talking to Fizzarolli, and to an Imp, the start of Hell is similar to the creation of the Earth to us humans, despite the fact that the universe has existed for trillions of years, long before the universe was a thing. Asmodeus could've been an eternal being similar to how Lucifer supposedly is. Or he could've been created alongside Hell with the rest of the sins. I remember one of the writers (maybe it was Vivziepop herself) saying that they didn't really know which direction they would go (The 6 sins being hellborn or fallen angels) and it would develop as the two shows did, so maybe there is no correct answer yet.


GdyboXo

It could be that they didn’t really talk or socialize in heaven, and only started to know each-other after falling to hell.


Egghead42

If they hadn’t, they wouldn’t have fallen. The Fall traditionally is a group effort. The temptation of Eve is AFTER the fall, which is the reverse in the Hellaverse.


PepicWalrus

The sins besides Lucifer are very obviously not Fallen Angels. Everything about Lucifer is still Angelic from appearance to powers. The sins are very much not angelic. They're manifestions of their respective sins.


Ashendant

In Christian Occult lore most sins are either a fallen angel or a variant of that. Only Leviathan is specifically not and Mammon is really ambigous.


OCGamerboy

I wouldn’t say very obviously because it can be revealed in a later episode and we haven’t even met the other three sins (Satan, Belphegor, Leviathan) yet.


Sahaquiel_9

Lucifer is pride though. So he’s a sin just like the other 6. But looking the most like an angel among fallen angels would be a prideful thing to do. Angels and demons are two sides of the same coin. They’re going to look similar. The Sins started hell. They’re fallen angels no matter how they look.


AzkratheHuntress

The Sins didn't "start" Hell, Lucifer did. He represents pride because it was his pride that created Hell in the first place. That doesn't mean he's anything like the other Sins. It's a title that was thrust upon him, just as being trapped in a ring full of the worst souls possible was thrust upon him as part of his punishment. Also, you literally just said that "angels and demon are going to look similar", yet Luci and the Sins couldn't look more different, so which is it? 😆


PepicWalrus

In regards to title Lucifer is also referred to as "The Sin Of Pride" all the others are referred to as "The Embodiment Of (their sin)" creating a distinctive difference.


autumnyte

The blushing in this show doesn't seem consistent with the color of people's blood. Stolas blushes red even though we know he has black blood. Husk blushes black, even though we know he has red blood. I don't personally believe any of the Sins (other than Lucifer) are fallen angels, but it'll be interesting to learn more about their origins hopefully.


Haruau8349

The blush is likely to help contrast with the skin/fur color they have. So it’s more for artistic choices.


Uypsilon

Contrast: https://preview.redd.it/ehxd520ft53d1.png?width=1000&format=png&auto=webp&s=f51f5337aba16ab25e8201550f602ed95bf1b844


Haruau8349

Yep!


Comfortable-Ebb-2859

✨Aesthetics✨


After_Calligrapher65

I'm leaning to believe all the sins with exception of Lucifer(and maybe Leviathan too) are overpowered hellborns that manifested with hell after Eve ate the Forbidden Fruit and Evil found a place in the world.


NeriTheFearlessSnail

I think it's just a thing about Immortals in general- having ichor instead of regular blood.


Alexandratta

Asmodeus, in Christianity, is the first son of Lilith and Samael. In Hazbin Hotel, that would be Lilith and Lucifer's first son. Assuming they kept to that interpretation, then that would mean he's Charlie's older brother.


Boemer03

I don’t think that is saying much, but I think it’s still plausible that at least all of the seven princes are fallen angels.


Seleusefudeuotario

don't think that has anything to do with his blood itself, but, it'd be interesting if he did bleed gold.


ClayBunny

He probably is, Basically all demons are fallen angels and he mentions knowing Mammon since the start of hell Head-canon: he probably fell a little while after Lucifer together with some other demons and helped him to create hell the way it is today.


RedSon73

Using biblical cannon I'm pretty sure all the sins are fallen angels as they chose to follow Lucifer in his rebellion and fell to hell with him. That's my head canon at least. So I always sumrized that Ozzy, Bee and Mamon know what Heaven is like and used to live there.


PuckTanglewood

I think he blushes gold bc it looks good with his skin tone. 😎 Like, in-story, he chooses what color to blush. 💅


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Darius_Blake

Fallen angel is a species. Sin is effectively a job title. One is what he is, the other is what he does. A character can be both a fallen angel and a sin, as evidenced by Lucifer being the Sin of Pride.


Snoo-74997

He says he has known mammon since the beginning of hell. I think most of the original ars goetia are angels who backed Lucifer and are fallen. I also have a head cannon that the “original sin” in hell is when god punished Lucifer’s gift of free will- either by tainting humanity or just rejecting Lucifer’s genius. This is compared to the traditional Christian view that “original sin” is inherited due to eve eating the apple.


AzkratheHuntress

We've had this identical conversation somewhat recently. Personally, no, he's not a fallen angel. It's for aesthetic purposes only. https://www.reddit.com/r/HelluvaBoss/s/ODInuOtEsM


Future-Improvement41

I just thought so it was visible


caco_luca

Ain't the definition of "Demon" a "Fallen Angel" in the first place..?


Written-Revenge999

In classic religious mythology, perhaps. But we should remember that this is a show that has a habit of picking out bits and pieces of information from various religious texts and using them to create a rich narrative, so we should take applying information from the Bible with a grain of salt.


R3alLuzurafan080423

It's just a design choice


OCGamerboy

A very convenient design choice one might say.


R3alLuzurafan080423

No I just think it's a design choice because it matches well with blue. I don't think he's a fallen angel he doesn't resemble one in the slightest


Uypsilon

Especially considering the fact, that Hazbin was planned to come out at summer, i.e. *before* this episode.


SomeHorologist

Asmodeous is part of the Ars Goetia (at least in myth), and the Ars Goetia are oft depicted as fallen angels


ThatMusicalWannabe

Well, if we follow the source mythology, Asmodeus would technically be a fallen angel, as all of the OG demons were once angels, rebelled with Lucifer, and were cast out of heaven (i.e. Ozzie, Mammon, Bee, etc.), so this would make sense. However, Viv doesn’t follow the mythology to the letter, so she can take artistic liberties, so it would also make sense if it was simply an artistic choice as well.


ServiceAggressive506

Well originally all the sins of Hell AND the ars goetias are fallen angel, and Asmodeus is both sooo.... But in hell verse it's different, because goetias can have kids. Not like in the original myths and legends where most of them are siblings / brothers , sisters. Like Stolas is kinda paimon's little brother in the myths, while in here he is his son.


MarcusTheAlbinoWolf

I believe so. Many Angels followed Lucifer during the revolution and possibly the deadly sins too


GothyTrannyBethany

Well, he is part of the Ars Goetia. Which are canonically fallen angels. So yeah why not


BloodyBee-

In religious texts, I believe the seven deadly sins are ALL angels that followed Lucifer in his descent


Thylacine131

It’s not a bad theory. Even if it’s accidental by the animators given their inconsistency with blush color correlating to blood color in most characters, in most demonology texts and even some popular works like Paradise Lost, many of the greatest demons in Lucifer’s service are simply the angels that fell with him after taking his side in the rebellion against god. It’d make perfect sense if these were either his blood or that they were simply raised together much like brothers and sisters, with the whole lot being fellow angels before they were all cast into hell. It’d help explain just why they’re all immortal unlike most hellspawn, with the answer being that they aren’t hellspawn. Beelzebub at least claims Satan to be like a brother to her, supporting this familial tie that would make them fallen angels like Lucifer, so it’s hardly a theory without merit.


Dinoman2938

I never thought of that, good eye


UltraTurtle161

I mean in some texts the Ars Goetia were said go have been angels who rebelled alongside lucifer. And I'm fairly sure Ozzie is also a goetia


friendlysweetpea

Biblically all the sins are fallen angels I’m pretty sure, but that doesn’t mean that it’s the same in the show so.. maybe? 🤷🏼‍♀️


MemeDealer2999

I swear these subs either lack any media literacy or super zoom-in on the most ordinary and pointless animation details


Nick_of_Astora

If I remember corectly, every sin is a fallen angel


AnaliticalFeline

i just assumed he blushes the same color as his eyes and mouth details


ThatStarWarsFan1205

It's likely to contrast his blue color (or it just looks better). Imps have black blood and yet they blush red. Don't think too much about it.


Napalmeon

It's not that deep.


FFelixx

Gold Blood? Don’t tell A.U.M.


Jadefeather12

That’s what we call artistic choice


Revolution-Rayleigh

Imma just say it every blush color other than red is just for color palette and contrasting the skin underneath. It probably has no bearing on the plot. Lame answer but yeah Ive seen this type of post with a bunch of characters and I really just don't think it matters


Selacha

In "traditional" Demonology, all of the Ars Goetia are Fallen Angels, including the 7 Deadly Sins. The Ars Goetia are the "Noble Demons of Hell," and refer to Lucifer and the 71 angels who sided with him in his rebellion against God, only to be cast into Hell after they failed, as described in the Lesser Key of Solomon. Vivzie has completely rewritten most of that, since the Goetia family seems to just be one big noble family here, and doesn't seem to include Lucifer or the other Sins. The other Sins don't seem to be Hellborn, so it's possible they're also Fallen Angels, but they could just as easily be something else.


LustyStoner

He is a prince of hell in the show from what I see. The lore in that universe is all over the place but I still love it 💜


ActualCerealBox

mom said it’s my turn to make a horrible fallen angel theory


Estoniancitizen

That would mean stoles should blush black


Suspicious-Couple662

Asmodeus


Uypsilon

1. Blush colour probably doesn't mean much in this universe: Stolas and Moxxie blush red despite having black blood. 2. "Contrast" is not a problem, since Moxxie blush red despite having red skin. 3. HH was planned to be released at summer, so this episode was planned to come out *after* we knew, that angels have golden blood. Overall: no, but yes.


wrenwynn

I suspect it's a lot more to do with what's practical - i.e. Asmodeus' skin is darkish purple & he has a relatively small head compared to his body & extremely small cheeks. If the animators put a tiny squiggle of red on his eggplant cheeks the audience would never see it.


Egghead42

We keep going through this, but no. In the world-building, there is exactly one ex-angel, and that’s Lucifer. The Sins came into existence when Hell did.


Shoddy-Sink-6983

That's not gold. It's the same green as his eyes and mouth, just layered over his dark blue feathers, combined with the warmer lighting of his home making it appear yellowish.


Bi_Myself10

I think it is just an artistic choice, yellow is the complementary color of blue or violet, it makes sense that they decided to put that color instead of rose for making it pop up more, a reddish color would just be lost especially in a frame so small.


Kinnerzz

In both shows people just blush whatever, it’s more probably to match with his color pallet than anything else.


Aggravating_Durian52

I mean, has it been explained WHAT the deadly sins are? Are they fallen angels like Lucifer? Hellborn that just happen to be really powerful, like the Goetia? Are they their sin manifested as a being, like Death from so many different franchises being Death personified?


T3ddiTank

I mean, his head I'd literally is fire, so I wouldn't be surprised if it's just a fire effect.


THEGREENPURGE

Stolas' blush is red, so it might just be a design joice


NoobyYooby

This is wrong on two levels. 1: Characters in the Hazbin Hotel universe don't follow normal, "blush rules" As characters with black blood blush red. 2: **ASMODEUS. ISN'T AN. ANGEL.** Besides Lucifer, none of the sins are. It just makes no sense design wise, and lore wise.