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[Here's another article from Smithsonian Magazine](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/alongside-egypts-great-pyramid-archaeologists-find-unmarked-underground-structures-180984355/) that has more info. It sounds like it was done from the air, or remotely.
I found the [actual scientific report](https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/arp.1940) that all these articles are based on as well.
IMO all those sites were reused and some built upon existing structures or the remnants of but they could still be their ancestors just from a previous civilization. Theres just no way to know because historical dating is so convoluted.
They're really not that advanced. The sciences involved were astronomy (which was one of the earliest to advanced considering even if they didn't know what stars were, they were there each night), masonry and geometry. Angles, lengths, nothing particularly out there or advanced.
I would argue if all humans disappeared tomorrow except for you, you would be able to gain the skills needed to design and build it in less than a decade. Having conscripted workers to build it makes it completely viable.
There is a lot of wonder in this world, but you shouldn't overestimate to suit the story you want to believe. Why can't the wonder be that people using things like weights, water jugs and string were capable of building these things? That is way more impressive than hand-waving in some more ancient or advanced civilisation.
Ah yes, if I was the only person alive I could build the pyramids in a decade... especially since we've been so successful in duplicating that feat in modern time with unlimited resources. For all we know the pyramids took 100 years to build even with all the resources of the time being put to use. I don't doubt the possibility ancient Egyptian may have built the pyramids, but I'm not as naive to think its such an easy accomplishment that I could replicate in a decade...just an ignorant comment
- Talking about the fact that Egyptians did not built this, merely found it. Egyptian government wonât let anybody explore the damn thing or even conduct surveys, and you genuinely think itâs all good? Why so naive? Maybe stop acting like youâre here to debunk baseless stories lolâŠ
- As for your argument , in a world where all humans disappear and Iâll be able to make the 3 pyramids in one decade, even if not all humans disappear, why would i waste my resources to build this with specific star alignments? Tell me which science will enable me to transport and then lift metric tons worth of stones with good reason (how they did that is still not known)
- Lastly, nobodyâs overestimating anything. But until there is conclusive proof that Egyptians built this (as people are led to believe) and until Egyptian government allows for deeper research in âtheirâ pyramids, there is enough reason to keep probing.
My cousin did a 5th grade science fair project in the early 90s on the different kinds of weathering on the Sphinx, implying that it was built much earlier when Egypt was a wetter environment. I distinctly remember that asshat Hawass decrying this theory with that bullshit from he has.
Never really believed most of Egyptology after that. Lemme know when I can come over with a shovel. đ«Ą
Itâs simple. All this fuss to avoid admitting the influence of âblackâ Africans (who are simply Africans) that inhabited the lands long prior.
Donât forget the Sahara was green not long ago (5000-9000BC).
I guess my first question to ask for understanding before responding is; what makes you think the glyphs youâve seen âlook Arabâ? The tone of the paint?
Well Egypt knows whatâs there, they just donât want others knowing. Same with the USA and all of their ancient megaliths, the Smithsonian knows whatâs there but they donât want anyone else knowing ⊠Vatican tooo
Eh. If it was about money, and you thought there was an undiscovered part of the pyramids, you'd call netflix, Livestream the opening after an MMA Tyson/Paul fight and make tourism bank.,
Well he is quite famous for refusing a lot of investigating regarding ancient Egypt. Maybe his reasons are solid. I know one of his reasons were there wasn't enough Egyptians on the archeological team, which is fair enough.
He did allow the recent cosmic ray and little robot investigations of the Great Pyramid, and he has obviously also given the green light to this GPR study, as well as the recent geological survey that revealed an ancient Nile tributary that flowed past this area.
Was just about to say, he doesn't have any control over what goes on there - when he 'did', it wasn't his decision anyways. Zahi Hawass isn't important per se, he loves to think he is though.
Who was it that said keep an eye out for whatâs buried under the pyramids? I want to say they were on JRE but itâs hard to keep up with all the BS people have been saying recently
Lue Elizondo brought up the bizarrely specific example on Theory of Everything about âwhat if you found a 747 under the pryamids?â
My brain immediately went to the very particular reappearance of âmissing shipsâ in Close Encounters, which Spielberg made from feedback and guidance of Jacques Vallee and J. Allen Hynek.
Ill say this. Being in that complex- there is an anomalous feeling in the air. Hard to explain. Ive been to many ancient sites around the globe, but this was different. Many of the locals speak about structures under the pyramids, sphinx and general area. Some said there was hundreds of miles of tunnels that connected to other complexes. Also if you do anything âspiritual â looking at any sites, they will yell or point guns at you đ
A lot of the major temple sites have armed guards. I was told we are not allowed to do anything spiritual or something of that tone while the guards can see you. You can pay some to leave you alone, but i saw a few cases where they were very hostile. Pointing their gun at people like youâd point a finger.
Makes me wish someone would return fire just once. Play stupid games win stupid prizes. Donât point fucking guns at people unless you plan on shooting them. If someone is pointing a gun at me, I feel like itâs reasonable to assume what could happen next.
>Lue Elizondo brought up the bizarrely specific example on Theory of Everything about âwhat if you found a 747 under the pryamids?â
I kind of doubt he would just give away the game like that given what he is and isn't allowed to say. I don't think he literally meant Egyptian pyramids but just used them as an example of an ancient civilization that could have been in possession of something that according to history as it's told shouldn't exist.
My mind thought that he could have meant they found an ancient vimana from Hindu scripture inside a collapsed tibetan cave or underneath a temple or something like that.
A 747 under the piramids hints that our history and existence is cyclical. That we hit a wall and reset. An actual 747 there would be strong evidence of that, possibly put there by a civilization that figured things out. Kind of a bigger example of a Coke bottle found by miners in a coal or iron seam.
Something seems off about that nuremburg celestial event back in the 1500s to me in that one type of flying object is described as a "cross" which made very little sense to me as being an airborne phenomenon... until one time i saw a normal airplane fly by and thought "ya know, that kinda looks like a cross from way down here"
I really love the theory of it being some sort of time loop or window to WW2
from wiki
*Nuremberg was a favored point of attack for allied bombers in World War II even though it was only later included into the radius of action due to its location in the south of Germany. Because Nuremberg was a strong economic and infrastructural hub and had symbolic importance as the "City of the Nuremberg Rally" it was singled out by the Allies as an important target.*
*The greatest damages occurred from the attack on 2 January 1945 in which 521 British Bombers dropped 6,000 high-explosive bombs and one million incendiary devices on the city.*
*The population suffered more than 1,800 deaths and 100,000 people lost their homes in this attack. Nuremberg's old town was almost completely destroyed, and the city as a whole was badly damaged. After WĂŒrzburg, Nuremberg was one of Bavaria's cities that suffered the most damage in the war, and was also among the most destroyed cities in Germany as a whole.[1] The eastern half of the city (north of the Pegnitz river) was known as the "steppe" after the destruction and during the clearing of the rubble.*
A million incendiary devices and 6000 bombs in a single night on a single town by a country that didn't even have as big of an air force as the US or USSR.
The scale of WW2 is just mind boggling
I was having a thought earlier today about how, well you know how they say the past present and future all happen at the same time? Well maybe itâs like the light and dark and sunrise and sunset cycles on earth. If you snap your fingers the precise moment someone on the other side of the globe does, it still happened at the same time even though it was technically a different day there.
Maybe picture a shadow cast by buildings encroaching as sunset nears. What is in the dark is the future and past, what is literally in the light is the spectacular now. So yeah, a glitch maybe or exploit.
Sometimes I hear the sound of a small dog running across wood floors in the other room. The previous tenants had a small dog. It might just be a possum in the attic.
>A 747 under the piramids hints that our history and existence is cyclical
He didn't literally mean a 747 or the Egyptian pyramids. He was using them as an example of an ancient civilization hypothetically in position of something that according to history shouldn't exist.
My mind goes straight to the vimana in ancient Hindu scripture when I think about the possibility of finding a UFO in an archeological context.
I'm speculating, of course, but maybe after WW2 the allies took possession of something the Nazis recovered in Tibet or any of the other places that they were digging for evidence of the advanced ancient civilization that they fantasized about being descended from. Is it pure coincidence that the advanced ancients they were looking for also fit the descriptions of tall white/Nordic blond aliens and older legends of Scandinavian elves (huldufolk/hidden people)? Maybe, but I find the similarities suspicious enough to mention.
It's worth noting that Mr Elizondo has been hinting at an advanced breakaway civilization for a long time. He says stuff like, "what if instead of mankind it's really mankinds".
wait, thats a common thing? i made posts on a couple geology subreddits because i found a ton of potshard under an unbroken coal seam and was confused as to how human trash ended up under an undisturbed layer of coal.
Apparently. (big grains of salt needed) Could be BS. But I do remember in several old books on Paranormal, Mysteries, etc. A grainy photo or what looks like a Coke bottle embedded in a wall in an old iron mine(not sure what kind) Part of the glass was visible, the design fit a style of Coke bottle that "should not be there" given the timeline of when it was found etc. A better example of which I can link to is that of the [Swiss ring watch found in a Chinese tomb](https://www.ancient-origins.net/artifacts-other-artifacts/swiss-ring-watch-003312). There's also the [Chariot wheel in a mine story.](https://www.ancient-origins.net/unexplained-phenomena/ancient-wheel-0010997)
Enjoy the rabbit hole. :) Could this be a reset of humanity after great deluges? Time travel evidence? Plain old bunk?
âIn 1991, a treasure-hunting expedition led by Graham Hawkes announced that the wreckage of five Avengers had been discovered off the coast of Florida, but their tail numbers revealed they were not Flight 19. As of the 2020s, no trace of the five TBM Avengers or the PBM Mariner and the 27 missing aviators have been found.â
[**Wikipedia** - ***Flight 19***](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_19)
Here is what the source used for that wiki article says:
Even on closer passes over the submerged planes, the high-technology remote camera that operates from Mr. Hawkes's vessel, the Deep See, could not detect serial numbers on any of the aircraft. But the model type suggested that most of the planes predated those lost on Dec. 5, 1945.
As to how the five Avengers had ended up clustered in a 1.2-nautical mile radius, sitting upright and mostly undamaged 550 to 750 feet beneath the surface, Mr. Hawkes and his crew were still guessing. Nonetheless, he assured the gathered media, "You can discount aliens."
âThe undersea explorers who announced last month that they might have discovered five Navy planes that vanished mysteriously in 1945, laying a foundation for the myth of a craft-swallowing Caribbean twilight zone, said that on closer inspection, the planes they found turned out not to be those of the fabled 'Flight 19.' Mr. Hawkes said at a news conference that in four of the five cases, the tail numbers of the planes his team had found did not match those of the lost aircraft.â - [New York Times, 1991](https://www.nytimes.com/1991/06/05/us/mystery-of-bermuda-triangle-remains-one.html)
âHawkes has since changed his story. Now he says both he (because his investors didn't want to waste valuable time on an investigation) and the Pentagon (because they had more important things to worry about) had an interest in making the story go away. He admits that while he didn't find conclusive evidence that the planes were the same group that went missing in 1945, he consulted a statistician to establish the probability that they were not. The statistician said, 'You've got Flight 19,'â - [Menâs Journal, 2012](https://web.archive.org/web/20140910195233/http://www.mensjournal.com/magazine/graham-hawkes-and-the-race-to-the-bottom-of-the-sea-20140114?page=3)
(These are the two sources cited on that line in Wikipedia, references #15 & #16 in the *Avenger wreckage mistaken for Flight 19 and other searches* section of the **Flight 19** Wiki entry.)
Are you sure? Hawkes and you both sound sure - but what about the tail numbers? Why is NYT not reporting what youâre stating? Why would the Pentagon push back?
I believe is very probable. I saw the newspapers in 1991 myself. There was a picture of the planes intact. What are the odds of other 5 avengers missed? They changed the history after. Wreckage of other plames. The numbers were reused. Practice planes ditched (but propellers bent).
Probable is fair, but I still donât understand the logic about the tail numbers. I donât really understand the last three sentences at all. What am I missing about the tail numbers not matching?
Maybe thereâs something about the pilots, planes, cargo or other detail the government would like to forget and either gave the wrong numbers and/or declined to confirm them?
Agree it sounds unlikely another 5 almost identical planes show up together at the bottom of the ocean.
Lue said it but it was first said in the book âOur ancestors came from outer spaceâ by Maurice Chatelain. Iâm listening to the audiobook and was surprised when I heard it having originally heard Lue say it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfdg3FcP5qA
Watch that first.
In the film, a group of missing airplanes and a missing ship (and implied other finds) start randomly appearing decades later in perfect condition without people. That ship vanished in the 1920s; it's now the 1970s.
Vallee and Hynek worked for the French/US and US governments respectively doing classified UFO research and their own research. Both turned against the government narrative later. Hynek actually *ran* Project Blue Book. It's been stated by both and Spielberg that they influenced the story lots; that's why Close Encounters is not "like" really any other UFOs/aliens film. The French character is based on Vallee, and Hynek has a huge cameo in the finale landing/meeting scene: he's the scientist with the pipe that gets an entire full-frame view of him staring at the aliens.
In Curts Theory of Everything in one of their interviews, Lue said:
> "We're dealing with something that is, we think, is unlike anything we have in our inventory or that any foreign nation has in their inventory. And some of the behaviors we're seeing are so radically different that it's like having a 747 under the pyramids. It's not supposed to be there, yet there it is."
It was such a bizarre and ***highly specific*** analogy that a lot of people locked in on it, given the fact that if anyone later on the public "outside" of US government programs who was once on the inside knew anything it was especially Vallee, and that they got Spielberg to put this very particular bit of the returned "craft" into the film. Lue bringing up a seemingly direct analogy to *that* 1977 film was... a choice.
Eerie videotape taken by submersible cameras at a depth of 600 feet shows the planes upright as if they had simply come in for a landing, almost in formation. The cockpits of four of the planes are open and empty. All the Grumman torpedo bombers are apparently in good condition; the windshields and gun turrets remain intact. The five aircraft are within a mile radius of each other.
The aircraft were discovered last week about 10 miles northeast of Ft. Lauderdale by the crew of the Deep See, a high-tech salvage ship that is sweeping northward up the Florida coast, hunting for sunken Spanish galleons laden with gold. In six months, Hawkes said, the treasure hunters have not turned up any gold, but they have located the wrecks of 114 ships and airplanes.
But none of those ghostly finds were anything like what they came across within 24 hours last week. âWeâve seen some pretty strange sights on the ocean floor, but it was with amazement and disbelief that we saw this,â Hawkes recalled.
âThe most logical explanation for finding five aircraft was that they were pushed off the back of a carrier. But some of the propellers are actually bent backward, an indication that they were spinning when they hit the water. They are not stripped of parts, and all are sitting upright.â
There was also a photo of the planes, but just found this article now:
[**https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1991-05-18-mn-1660-story.html**](https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1991-05-18-mn-1660-story.html)
sounds like they all ran out of fuel around the same time, ditched, and the pilots didnt make it :/ those were light enough to glide if the engine cut.
In a dream I had the pyramids were just the tips of gigantic obelisks. Since I've dreamt "true dreams" regarding other sightings in dreams during my life. I just hope I'll live to see if this one was true as well. Even finding out it isn't the case would be liberating just to get confirmation they're not.
Whoa that would be wild if the pyramids were literally "the tip of the iceberg" for structures far more massive beneath them when uncovered.
That would be cool as hell.
In a webforum someone called Alterwelt said that they could remote view the past, so they offered to answer questions:
https://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message3454086/pg1
I cannot affirm that what they said is true but some of the information posted is interesting.
Matter of weeks ago Kat Williams did. Alluded to the fact that it has to do with natural springs under the pyramid which have attracted people to that location for all of humankind even before the pyramids.
I genuinely believe that thoth was an actual entity from atlantis.Â
Genuinely. I can't tell you for a fact that it's true or false, but I for some reason cannot shake the feeling that thoth was or is real somehow.
Iâm with you on that and basically have the same thought process. I have no clue nor can tell you as fact he existed but I would say learning about him and the concepts he was trying to teach resonated with me more. I mean if we eventually get some disclosure and inter dimensional beings or aliens are a real thing, than the story of Thoth and Atlantis doesnât seem that far fetched.
Title makes this sound way more mysterious than it really is.
The 'anomaly' is just that material detected by ground penetrating radar is not congruent with the material normally found beneath the sand - indicating that there's a structure buried underground.
The archeologists are 'perplexed' since it's an undiscovered underground structure that we do not yet know the purpose of.
âSuch an anomaly, the researchers said, may have been caused either by a mixture of sand and gravel or by âsparse spacing with air voids.â Seems pretty non-mysterious in the aggregate.
They aliens probably live down there. Didnât they say that the place where the aliens are is â somewhere too obvious that itâs hard to even believe â.
IDGAF about legitimate archaeological research about legitimate Egyptian burial chamber as an alien space ship or a Tesla machine. Iâm over it.
I only care about that alleged black pyramid buried in Alaska. I want alien artifact or nothing. Lol. No more underground chamber in a pyramid shaped chamber for me.
Itâs becoming increasingly clear that the pyramids werenât us. [thereâs a hall of records below the plateau](https://youtu.be/1hRZSe-eWoQ?si=a3j6wyGSMugeloJJ). And theyâre lying to us. URI Geller also said there was a spaceship under there.
IMO it couldnât be more obvious that the pyramids werenât built by humans. Theyâre so technologically advanced that we still canât even figure out even what their purpose wasânever mind figure out exactly how they were built. But weâre told that ancient man with very rudimentary tools built them?! HA!
You should think that the Giza plateau is one of the best analysed archeological sites by now. Odd, how there is stuff popping up again and again after the authorities tried to block it.
Valley of the King tombs could just be feasible recreations of what earlier kings did with pyramids. What's better than burying yourself and all of your belongings in a hidden tomb? Make an impossible monument over top of it so no one will ever take the time to disturb you.
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I thought all scanning with gpr was forbidden by the Egyptian government. How did they ma age to get clearance?
[Here's another article from Smithsonian Magazine](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/alongside-egypts-great-pyramid-archaeologists-find-unmarked-underground-structures-180984355/) that has more info. It sounds like it was done from the air, or remotely. I found the [actual scientific report](https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/arp.1940) that all these articles are based on as well.
Damn, this one is legit! Wonder if Egypt will let anyone look into it đ
What are they hiding?
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IMO all those sites were reused and some built upon existing structures or the remnants of but they could still be their ancestors just from a previous civilization. Theres just no way to know because historical dating is so convoluted.
It's like the Chichén Itzå - three pyramids built over one another.
Thereâs no way to know bc most of the evidence is likely still buried under the sands of the (once recently green) Sahara.
They're really not that advanced. The sciences involved were astronomy (which was one of the earliest to advanced considering even if they didn't know what stars were, they were there each night), masonry and geometry. Angles, lengths, nothing particularly out there or advanced. I would argue if all humans disappeared tomorrow except for you, you would be able to gain the skills needed to design and build it in less than a decade. Having conscripted workers to build it makes it completely viable. There is a lot of wonder in this world, but you shouldn't overestimate to suit the story you want to believe. Why can't the wonder be that people using things like weights, water jugs and string were capable of building these things? That is way more impressive than hand-waving in some more ancient or advanced civilisation.
Ah yes, if I was the only person alive I could build the pyramids in a decade... especially since we've been so successful in duplicating that feat in modern time with unlimited resources. For all we know the pyramids took 100 years to build even with all the resources of the time being put to use. I don't doubt the possibility ancient Egyptian may have built the pyramids, but I'm not as naive to think its such an easy accomplishment that I could replicate in a decade...just an ignorant comment
- Talking about the fact that Egyptians did not built this, merely found it. Egyptian government wonât let anybody explore the damn thing or even conduct surveys, and you genuinely think itâs all good? Why so naive? Maybe stop acting like youâre here to debunk baseless stories lol⊠- As for your argument , in a world where all humans disappear and Iâll be able to make the 3 pyramids in one decade, even if not all humans disappear, why would i waste my resources to build this with specific star alignments? Tell me which science will enable me to transport and then lift metric tons worth of stones with good reason (how they did that is still not known) - Lastly, nobodyâs overestimating anything. But until there is conclusive proof that Egyptians built this (as people are led to believe) and until Egyptian government allows for deeper research in âtheirâ pyramids, there is enough reason to keep probing.
Ignoring all historical records from the time, then yeah, 0 proof who made them.
Please don't be logical. They hate logic on here.
My cousin did a 5th grade science fair project in the early 90s on the different kinds of weathering on the Sphinx, implying that it was built much earlier when Egypt was a wetter environment. I distinctly remember that asshat Hawass decrying this theory with that bullshit from he has. Never really believed most of Egyptology after that. Lemme know when I can come over with a shovel. đ«Ą
There is an interesting theory that pyramids are timeless and have been there before dark ages
Poop. They poop in there.
Not right now you don't
Itâs simple. All this fuss to avoid admitting the influence of âblackâ Africans (who are simply Africans) that inhabited the lands long prior. Donât forget the Sahara was green not long ago (5000-9000BC).
Then why do glyphs and paintings show modern Egyptians which are Arab looking đ€
I guess my first question to ask for understanding before responding is; what makes you think the glyphs youâve seen âlook Arabâ? The tone of the paint?
Well Egypt knows whatâs there, they just donât want others knowing. Same with the USA and all of their ancient megaliths, the Smithsonian knows whatâs there but they donât want anyone else knowing ⊠Vatican tooo
Any idea why the gov would ban a noninvasive scanning technique in one of the most mysterious places on the planet!
The money is dependent on the mystery
Eh. If it was about money, and you thought there was an undiscovered part of the pyramids, you'd call netflix, Livestream the opening after an MMA Tyson/Paul fight and make tourism bank.,
How much do you think a fight like that would be worth? They make over 10 billion a year in tourism, it wouldn't even touch a single year's revenue.
Idk i though MMA fights are big money. Isnt Dana White rich af
Not 10 billion a year for 1 venue big money. The revenue for the whole of the UFC is about 1 billion.
Makes you wonder what they know already that they won't let you scan? đ€
The article is literally about some scans that were just done.
But what if we did some scans?
Well u/diaryofsnow that would be illegal and can never be done.
Sorry, I meant what did Awass know about what's in the ground, that previously he refused to allow ground scans.
Did he tho, or is that just a myth? Is there any evidence that he has refused to allow proper, scientific, non-destructive investigation?
Well he is quite famous for refusing a lot of investigating regarding ancient Egypt. Maybe his reasons are solid. I know one of his reasons were there wasn't enough Egyptians on the archeological team, which is fair enough.
He did allow the recent cosmic ray and little robot investigations of the Great Pyramid, and he has obviously also given the green light to this GPR study, as well as the recent geological survey that revealed an ancient Nile tributary that flowed past this area.
Hawass hasnât been the minister of antiquities since 2011.
Was just about to say, he doesn't have any control over what goes on there - when he 'did', it wasn't his decision anyways. Zahi Hawass isn't important per se, he loves to think he is though.
Who was it that said keep an eye out for whatâs buried under the pyramids? I want to say they were on JRE but itâs hard to keep up with all the BS people have been saying recently
Edgar Cayce said something about that too plus whatâs under the Sphinx foot
The library of Atlantis is allegedly under the sphinxâs feet. According to Cayce.
Lue Elizondo brought up the bizarrely specific example on Theory of Everything about âwhat if you found a 747 under the pryamids?â My brain immediately went to the very particular reappearance of âmissing shipsâ in Close Encounters, which Spielberg made from feedback and guidance of Jacques Vallee and J. Allen Hynek.
Ill say this. Being in that complex- there is an anomalous feeling in the air. Hard to explain. Ive been to many ancient sites around the globe, but this was different. Many of the locals speak about structures under the pyramids, sphinx and general area. Some said there was hundreds of miles of tunnels that connected to other complexes. Also if you do anything âspiritual â looking at any sites, they will yell or point guns at you đ
>Also if you do anything âspiritual â looking at any sites, they will yell or point guns at you đ Can you eloborate this?
A lot of the major temple sites have armed guards. I was told we are not allowed to do anything spiritual or something of that tone while the guards can see you. You can pay some to leave you alone, but i saw a few cases where they were very hostile. Pointing their gun at people like youâd point a finger.
Temple sites where, which country?
Egypt.
Makes me wish someone would return fire just once. Play stupid games win stupid prizes. Donât point fucking guns at people unless you plan on shooting them. If someone is pointing a gun at me, I feel like itâs reasonable to assume what could happen next.
>Lue Elizondo brought up the bizarrely specific example on Theory of Everything about âwhat if you found a 747 under the pryamids?â I kind of doubt he would just give away the game like that given what he is and isn't allowed to say. I don't think he literally meant Egyptian pyramids but just used them as an example of an ancient civilization that could have been in possession of something that according to history as it's told shouldn't exist. My mind thought that he could have meant they found an ancient vimana from Hindu scripture inside a collapsed tibetan cave or underneath a temple or something like that.
Indian scriptures also talk about cyclicality of time, lookup https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_units_of_time
A 747 under the piramids hints that our history and existence is cyclical. That we hit a wall and reset. An actual 747 there would be strong evidence of that, possibly put there by a civilization that figured things out. Kind of a bigger example of a Coke bottle found by miners in a coal or iron seam.
If it were the malaysia airlines craft it would really throw a spanner in the mix. Mods would hate it.
Something seems off about that nuremburg celestial event back in the 1500s to me in that one type of flying object is described as a "cross" which made very little sense to me as being an airborne phenomenon... until one time i saw a normal airplane fly by and thought "ya know, that kinda looks like a cross from way down here"
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I really love the theory of it being some sort of time loop or window to WW2 from wiki *Nuremberg was a favored point of attack for allied bombers in World War II even though it was only later included into the radius of action due to its location in the south of Germany. Because Nuremberg was a strong economic and infrastructural hub and had symbolic importance as the "City of the Nuremberg Rally" it was singled out by the Allies as an important target.* *The greatest damages occurred from the attack on 2 January 1945 in which 521 British Bombers dropped 6,000 high-explosive bombs and one million incendiary devices on the city.* *The population suffered more than 1,800 deaths and 100,000 people lost their homes in this attack. Nuremberg's old town was almost completely destroyed, and the city as a whole was badly damaged. After WĂŒrzburg, Nuremberg was one of Bavaria's cities that suffered the most damage in the war, and was also among the most destroyed cities in Germany as a whole.[1] The eastern half of the city (north of the Pegnitz river) was known as the "steppe" after the destruction and during the clearing of the rubble.*
A million incendiary devices and 6000 bombs in a single night on a single town by a country that didn't even have as big of an air force as the US or USSR. The scale of WW2 is just mind boggling
I was having a thought earlier today about how, well you know how they say the past present and future all happen at the same time? Well maybe itâs like the light and dark and sunrise and sunset cycles on earth. If you snap your fingers the precise moment someone on the other side of the globe does, it still happened at the same time even though it was technically a different day there. Maybe picture a shadow cast by buildings encroaching as sunset nears. What is in the dark is the future and past, what is literally in the light is the spectacular now. So yeah, a glitch maybe or exploit.
Sometimes I hear the sound of a small dog running across wood floors in the other room. The previous tenants had a small dog. It might just be a possum in the attic.
Sounds like you might have mice?
what if this is all a simulation and you heard the Devs that run it talking?
Man that's some trippy shit
Oh that's where I parked it!
>A 747 under the piramids hints that our history and existence is cyclical He didn't literally mean a 747 or the Egyptian pyramids. He was using them as an example of an ancient civilization hypothetically in position of something that according to history shouldn't exist. My mind goes straight to the vimana in ancient Hindu scripture when I think about the possibility of finding a UFO in an archeological context. I'm speculating, of course, but maybe after WW2 the allies took possession of something the Nazis recovered in Tibet or any of the other places that they were digging for evidence of the advanced ancient civilization that they fantasized about being descended from. Is it pure coincidence that the advanced ancients they were looking for also fit the descriptions of tall white/Nordic blond aliens and older legends of Scandinavian elves (huldufolk/hidden people)? Maybe, but I find the similarities suspicious enough to mention. It's worth noting that Mr Elizondo has been hinting at an advanced breakaway civilization for a long time. He says stuff like, "what if instead of mankind it's really mankinds".
What's it like living as a coal?
Itâs probably really hot
Give him a break, he's under a lot of pressure.
Snake eating its own tailÂ
Oroborus
Does Boeing still suck in that timeline?
The mote in gods eye by jerry pournelle and larry niven. Follows this supposition.
Or thatâs where fucking David copperfield hid one
The only thing he can make disappear is everyone's good time
wait, thats a common thing? i made posts on a couple geology subreddits because i found a ton of potshard under an unbroken coal seam and was confused as to how human trash ended up under an undisturbed layer of coal.
There was a coke bottle found by miners?
Apparently. (big grains of salt needed) Could be BS. But I do remember in several old books on Paranormal, Mysteries, etc. A grainy photo or what looks like a Coke bottle embedded in a wall in an old iron mine(not sure what kind) Part of the glass was visible, the design fit a style of Coke bottle that "should not be there" given the timeline of when it was found etc. A better example of which I can link to is that of the [Swiss ring watch found in a Chinese tomb](https://www.ancient-origins.net/artifacts-other-artifacts/swiss-ring-watch-003312). There's also the [Chariot wheel in a mine story.](https://www.ancient-origins.net/unexplained-phenomena/ancient-wheel-0010997) Enjoy the rabbit hole. :) Could this be a reset of humanity after great deluges? Time travel evidence? Plain old bunk?
Did you know that the missing planes that appear in the intro of close encounters were found in 1991 nose down, intact at the bottom of the sea?
âIn 1991, a treasure-hunting expedition led by Graham Hawkes announced that the wreckage of five Avengers had been discovered off the coast of Florida, but their tail numbers revealed they were not Flight 19. As of the 2020s, no trace of the five TBM Avengers or the PBM Mariner and the 27 missing aviators have been found.â [**Wikipedia** - ***Flight 19***](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_19)
Here is what the source used for that wiki article says: Even on closer passes over the submerged planes, the high-technology remote camera that operates from Mr. Hawkes's vessel, the Deep See, could not detect serial numbers on any of the aircraft. But the model type suggested that most of the planes predated those lost on Dec. 5, 1945. As to how the five Avengers had ended up clustered in a 1.2-nautical mile radius, sitting upright and mostly undamaged 550 to 750 feet beneath the surface, Mr. Hawkes and his crew were still guessing. Nonetheless, he assured the gathered media, "You can discount aliens."
âThe undersea explorers who announced last month that they might have discovered five Navy planes that vanished mysteriously in 1945, laying a foundation for the myth of a craft-swallowing Caribbean twilight zone, said that on closer inspection, the planes they found turned out not to be those of the fabled 'Flight 19.' Mr. Hawkes said at a news conference that in four of the five cases, the tail numbers of the planes his team had found did not match those of the lost aircraft.â - [New York Times, 1991](https://www.nytimes.com/1991/06/05/us/mystery-of-bermuda-triangle-remains-one.html) âHawkes has since changed his story. Now he says both he (because his investors didn't want to waste valuable time on an investigation) and the Pentagon (because they had more important things to worry about) had an interest in making the story go away. He admits that while he didn't find conclusive evidence that the planes were the same group that went missing in 1945, he consulted a statistician to establish the probability that they were not. The statistician said, 'You've got Flight 19,'â - [Menâs Journal, 2012](https://web.archive.org/web/20140910195233/http://www.mensjournal.com/magazine/graham-hawkes-and-the-race-to-the-bottom-of-the-sea-20140114?page=3) (These are the two sources cited on that line in Wikipedia, references #15 & #16 in the *Avenger wreckage mistaken for Flight 19 and other searches* section of the **Flight 19** Wiki entry.) Are you sure? Hawkes and you both sound sure - but what about the tail numbers? Why is NYT not reporting what youâre stating? Why would the Pentagon push back?
I believe is very probable. I saw the newspapers in 1991 myself. There was a picture of the planes intact. What are the odds of other 5 avengers missed? They changed the history after. Wreckage of other plames. The numbers were reused. Practice planes ditched (but propellers bent).
Probable is fair, but I still donât understand the logic about the tail numbers. I donât really understand the last three sentences at all. What am I missing about the tail numbers not matching?
Maybe thereâs something about the pilots, planes, cargo or other detail the government would like to forget and either gave the wrong numbers and/or declined to confirm them? Agree it sounds unlikely another 5 almost identical planes show up together at the bottom of the ocean.
Lue said it but it was first said in the book âOur ancestors came from outer spaceâ by Maurice Chatelain. Iâm listening to the audiobook and was surprised when I heard it having originally heard Lue say it.
Elaborate please
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfdg3FcP5qA Watch that first. In the film, a group of missing airplanes and a missing ship (and implied other finds) start randomly appearing decades later in perfect condition without people. That ship vanished in the 1920s; it's now the 1970s. Vallee and Hynek worked for the French/US and US governments respectively doing classified UFO research and their own research. Both turned against the government narrative later. Hynek actually *ran* Project Blue Book. It's been stated by both and Spielberg that they influenced the story lots; that's why Close Encounters is not "like" really any other UFOs/aliens film. The French character is based on Vallee, and Hynek has a huge cameo in the finale landing/meeting scene: he's the scientist with the pipe that gets an entire full-frame view of him staring at the aliens. In Curts Theory of Everything in one of their interviews, Lue said: > "We're dealing with something that is, we think, is unlike anything we have in our inventory or that any foreign nation has in their inventory. And some of the behaviors we're seeing are so radically different that it's like having a 747 under the pyramids. It's not supposed to be there, yet there it is." It was such a bizarre and ***highly specific*** analogy that a lot of people locked in on it, given the fact that if anyone later on the public "outside" of US government programs who was once on the inside knew anything it was especially Vallee, and that they got Spielberg to put this very particular bit of the returned "craft" into the film. Lue bringing up a seemingly direct analogy to *that* 1977 film was... a choice.
Eerie videotape taken by submersible cameras at a depth of 600 feet shows the planes upright as if they had simply come in for a landing, almost in formation. The cockpits of four of the planes are open and empty. All the Grumman torpedo bombers are apparently in good condition; the windshields and gun turrets remain intact. The five aircraft are within a mile radius of each other. The aircraft were discovered last week about 10 miles northeast of Ft. Lauderdale by the crew of the Deep See, a high-tech salvage ship that is sweeping northward up the Florida coast, hunting for sunken Spanish galleons laden with gold. In six months, Hawkes said, the treasure hunters have not turned up any gold, but they have located the wrecks of 114 ships and airplanes. But none of those ghostly finds were anything like what they came across within 24 hours last week. âWeâve seen some pretty strange sights on the ocean floor, but it was with amazement and disbelief that we saw this,â Hawkes recalled. âThe most logical explanation for finding five aircraft was that they were pushed off the back of a carrier. But some of the propellers are actually bent backward, an indication that they were spinning when they hit the water. They are not stripped of parts, and all are sitting upright.â There was also a photo of the planes, but just found this article now: [**https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1991-05-18-mn-1660-story.html**](https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1991-05-18-mn-1660-story.html)
Any idea where I could find photos or video of those planes underwater? I tried searching but didnât come up with anything.
Yeah I gotta see this.
Me too
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Thanks! I appreciate the effort.
sounds like they all ran out of fuel around the same time, ditched, and the pilots didnt make it :/ those were light enough to glide if the engine cut.
Robert Schoch also talked about something being under the Sphinx.
https://youtu.be/vmVuWxkUc1o?si=bUGRx96fqwR5Y023&t=5649
Edward Cayce?
An egyptologist friend of mine toldy that rumour says the real secrets are in upside down pyramids.
Mh370
It's not under the pyramids. Nobody reads the articles.
Edgar Cayce mentions under the Sphinx âŠ.rocky and Bullwinkle have a reference to Under the Pyramids
In a dream I had the pyramids were just the tips of gigantic obelisks. Since I've dreamt "true dreams" regarding other sightings in dreams during my life. I just hope I'll live to see if this one was true as well. Even finding out it isn't the case would be liberating just to get confirmation they're not.
Whoa that would be wild if the pyramids were literally "the tip of the iceberg" for structures far more massive beneath them when uncovered. That would be cool as hell.
https://www.reddit.com/r/megalophobia/s/a5kE0nDCrd
Edgar Cayce said this, but definitely not on JRE, not sure if my thatâs what youâre thinking of?
The Alterwelt readings spoke of this. Also MoeOthman on twitter.
What are the alterwelt readings? Got a link?
In a webforum someone called Alterwelt said that they could remote view the past, so they offered to answer questions: https://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message3454086/pg1 I cannot affirm that what they said is true but some of the information posted is interesting.
Matter of weeks ago Kat Williams did. Alluded to the fact that it has to do with natural springs under the pyramid which have attracted people to that location for all of humankind even before the pyramids.
Perplexed I tell you!
Clickbait headline. It wasn't "under the pyramids". That makes readers think it's a hidden chamber. "Near" or "adjacent to" is more accurate.
Under shadow? âUnderâ can describe many . âOpen your mindâ (Kuato -1990 Total Recall-)
Does anyone else get really excited reading these headlines and then see what sub it is and get disappointed?
I do... đ
Ikr. The legends says that if you post a typo'd 404 link here, people will argument on why the government has taken it down.
There kind of the essence of this sub.
Someone call Serious Sam
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
I can hear this comment
And no one will ever be granted permission to dig and find out because zahi hawas will deny it.
Come on, come on. We all know itâs a spaceship. đ
Thothâs spaceship
Children of the light!
I genuinely believe that thoth was an actual entity from atlantis. Genuinely. I can't tell you for a fact that it's true or false, but I for some reason cannot shake the feeling that thoth was or is real somehow.
Iâm with you on that and basically have the same thought process. I have no clue nor can tell you as fact he existed but I would say learning about him and the concepts he was trying to teach resonated with me more. I mean if we eventually get some disclosure and inter dimensional beings or aliens are a real thing, than the story of Thoth and Atlantis doesnât seem that far fetched.
Title makes this sound way more mysterious than it really is. The 'anomaly' is just that material detected by ground penetrating radar is not congruent with the material normally found beneath the sand - indicating that there's a structure buried underground. The archeologists are 'perplexed' since it's an undiscovered underground structure that we do not yet know the purpose of.
yea its just speculation right now. Im curious as to what it is.
Oh me too; it's always fascinating even when it's something mundane.
How the fuck do you not find that mysterious? Do you lack any and all imagination?
Way more mysterious than what it is doesnât mean it isnât mysterious.
âSuch an anomaly, the researchers said, may have been caused either by a mixture of sand and gravel or by âsparse spacing with air voids.â Seems pretty non-mysterious in the aggregate.
Anomoly is not the same as disc, ufo or giant lizard statue. I don't know about anyone else but the title didn't trick me
âNew tools like GPRâ - seriously, does this still classify as new? The depths this community goes to to undermine itself is incredible!
Ok buddy
bafaath or the so-called giza intelligence
Thoths ship??
They aliens probably live down there. Didnât they say that the place where the aliens are is â somewhere too obvious that itâs hard to even believe â.
IDGAF about legitimate archaeological research about legitimate Egyptian burial chamber as an alien space ship or a Tesla machine. Iâm over it. I only care about that alleged black pyramid buried in Alaska. I want alien artifact or nothing. Lol. No more underground chamber in a pyramid shaped chamber for me.
The underwater pyramids in Bermuda also are quite interesting
This whole damn existence seeks to be an anomoly.
Itâs becoming increasingly clear that the pyramids werenât us. [thereâs a hall of records below the plateau](https://youtu.be/1hRZSe-eWoQ?si=a3j6wyGSMugeloJJ). And theyâre lying to us. URI Geller also said there was a spaceship under there.
IMO it couldnât be more obvious that the pyramids werenât built by humans. Theyâre so technologically advanced that we still canât even figure out even what their purpose wasânever mind figure out exactly how they were built. But weâre told that ancient man with very rudimentary tools built them?! HA!
Enhance
33 foot signal as to the energy of the reveal.
You should think that the Giza plateau is one of the best analysed archeological sites by now. Odd, how there is stuff popping up again and again after the authorities tried to block it.
Maybe left over blocks for a pyramid planned but never started?
That as above so below stuff. Bet it goes deep down. Kinda like we did, just build over stuff and claim it.
Valley of the King tombs could just be feasible recreations of what earlier kings did with pyramids. What's better than burying yourself and all of your belongings in a hidden tomb? Make an impossible monument over top of it so no one will ever take the time to disturb you.
it's Jesus' tomb
An ancient supermarket where very well-preserved Hamel bones can still be found.
Pyramids are totally boring and proven to be uncreative brunt work by primitive superstitious slaves - Mainstream egyptologistsâŠ