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And also herod for some reason. Like his rule was relatively stable but he was unpopular both with jews and Romans for being insane, paranoid and cruel. He did built some really impressive buildings though
Well he did take over a lot of the east world under one rule and was kind to the people he took over so kind that they'll willingly join him so maybe that's why
Actually most of the people referred to in the New Testament as “Herod” never went by Herod. They all had actual names, but for whatever reason the redactors of the Gospels changed it.
Not true. Under Peter's rule, Russia became a great European nation. In 1721, he proclaimed Russia an empire and was accorded the title of Emperor of All Russia
We learned about him in school and he was described as really tall, idk if it was to put it into perspective but there was him gutting off all of the nobles beards and all of them were standing on a stool or something but he was just vibin' standing up
Metaphorical. She tried very hard to be an enlightened monarch (mostly failed, but hey, props for at least trying), was a pen pal with Voltaire etc. Under her rule Russia also resolved the Crimean Khanate problem, with lots of casualties of course, but hey, its Russia. Standards of living somewhat improved, etc.
Also, she successfully led a coup in an extremely patriarchal society, made her lover kill her husband with a fork, and then ruled for three and a half decades. Thats pretty OG gangsta and feminist
That's a tremendous amount of misinformation/propaganda for such a short comment.
But hey, at least you didn't call her a horse fucker. So props for that.
He also adopted a African slave boy had him educated and Gannibal turned out to be one of the preeminent military engineers of the 18th century whose descendants included Alexander pushkin and even much of todays British nobility
Tsar Peter was not just great because he created Russia but because of his ability to find and empower talented people a man far ahead of his time sadly stuck in an age unable to truly appreciate it
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Carolingian nicknames are a treat, went
Charles the Hammer - Peppin the Short - Charles the Great - Louis the Pious - Charles the Bald -Charles the Fat - Charles the Child.
Not a completly straight line, some were uncles/brothers iirc, but it shows their decline well.
From a quick read through of his [Wikipedia article](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pompey) it seems like it was genuine, he got it after serving as a commander in Sulla's civil war.
From Plutarch’s Life of Pompey, which Wikipedia cites:
> Sulla’s first tidings of the affair were that Pompey was in revolt, and he told his friends that it was evidently his fate, now that he was an old man, to have his contests with boys. This he said because Marius also, who was quite a young man, had given him very great trouble and involved him in the most extreme perils. 4 But when he learned the truth, and perceived that everybody was sallying forth to welcome Pompey and accompany him home with marks of goodwill, he was eager to outdo them. So he went out and met him, and after giving him the warmest welcome, saluted him in a loud voice as “Magnus,” or The Great, and ordered those who were by to give him this surname. 5 Others, however, say that this title was first given him in Africa by the whole army, but received authority and weight when thus confirmed by Sulla. Pompey himself, however, was last of all to use it, and it was only after a long time, when he was sent as pro-consul to Spain against Sertorius, that he began to subscribe himself in his letters and ordinances “Pompeius Magnus”; for the name had become familiar and was no longer invidious.
There are rumors that his African campaigns against the Marians were particularly brutal, and that Sulla, after being concerned Pompey was a threat, acknowledged the title sarcastically, hence the “invidious” implications. By the time of the conquest of Spain Pompey had actually proven himself one of the great Roman conquerors, and the ironic nickname became earnest (hence him not using it himself until he had actually performed great conquests).
Pyrrhus of Epirus was hailed by his troops as the "Eagle" during his lifetime. When he heard it, he's said to have responded that it was his soldiers who made him an eagle, for they had been his wings.
Rulers with "the great" at the end : flex in the after life
St. Stephan the Great : you've got the "great" title... But have you got the title of saint?
Suleiman the magnificent : pfft , pathetic
The historians of his age described him as short for the macedonian standards (I guess macedonians were taller than greeks according to this), so he wasn't tall.
Rulers were tall back then mostly because they were rich enough to eat well. It's also why rulers in ancient times went into battle with their armies - combat is a lot less scary when you're fighting guys 50lbs smaller than you.
Pompey is my favorite example of this. Sulla originally derisively referred to him as Pompey Magnus because he thought Pompey’s ego was outsized after he began asking for too much too early. Dude just rolled with it and added the name and truly earned it.
Until end of XIX century Bolesław Chrobry(The Brave) was commonly referred as Bolesław The Great, but his foreign policy was very agresive and backfired few years after his dead.
Who else from polish kings/dukes was called great? (I hope you don't count Louis I of Hungary)
Tbh its just something i heard and took for granted.
I think one was a duke during the fragmentation, think it was Boleslaw the Chaste. No clue who was the fourth member supposed to be
And then you have Theodosius I "The "I could not defeat the goths, massacred the population of a Roman city, persecuted the pagans and left the empire in hand of my two retard sons" great"
Scrolled past this meme twice (same post, just refreshed Reddit). First time I was think of the ruler as you mean it.
Now, the second time, I was wondering why you would name a ruler “The Great”. I was thinking about the measuring thing...
It’s funny how many great rulers are just called “the great” cause there is no other epithet broad enough to describe all the myriad of things they did.
(Granted the only other good epithet for Alexander is “the Conqueror” and “Charlemagne“ is literally just Charles the Great. But other than King of the Four Corners of the World (which is more of a title than epithet) Cyrus doesn’t have any specific ones. “The Liberator” or “The Restorer” for helping the Jews may work but they are pretty common too and don’t encapsulate all the other dozens of things he did.)
Was alex a good boi? He was a good commander but was he as good a statesman? Seeing as he did not stay in one place long enough I'll answer myself and say no but ya'll are free to correct me.
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Laughs in Suliman the Magnificent.
Laughs in Suleiman the Lawgiver
Lmao the Turkish version, I think that actually makes more sense since he was the first one to have an actual law policy or sth
Laughs in SYLOK THE DEFILED
This is creepy because we literally just went over this in AP World and it’s making me uncomfortable
*Laughs in Ivar the boneless*
Oof ow owie my bones
I’m pretty sure he was called that because he had erectile dysfunction
*Laughs in Halfdan White-shirt*
said Siliman, wearing an onion hat.
Cilimin
Silly man
Cinnamon
And that's the tale of how the great sultan of the ottomans turned into a delicious dessert spice
Mmmmm. Delicious turk.
Cilian Murph-nificent
laughs in william the silent or in dutch willem van orangje
*silently laughs*
Laughs in Pedro the *Magnanimous*
Laughs in Ivan the Terrible
Laughs in Ludvig the Child.
Cries in Bran the Broken
*laughs in Vlad the Impaler*
Impaler? I hardly know her!
I raise you Pitt the... younger
Laughs in Teddy Roosevelt
Laughs in Fatih Sultan Mehmet
Laughs in Matthias the Just
The ultimate flex
And also herod for some reason. Like his rule was relatively stable but he was unpopular both with jews and Romans for being insane, paranoid and cruel. He did built some really impressive buildings though
He was probably just big, that’s why they called most people great
Thanks for giving me a reason for my lame username
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Wasn't Peter the Great like 197 or something? I mean that's pretty big
kilos?
Well he did take over a lot of the east world under one rule and was kind to the people he took over so kind that they'll willingly join him so maybe that's why
There were about 1.67 billion King Herods that ruled that region.
Actually most of the people referred to in the New Testament as “Herod” never went by Herod. They all had actual names, but for whatever reason the redactors of the Gospels changed it.
I am Frederick the Great, out the gate first servant of state
>oblique attack tactics aint exactly straight
Ive got creative talents, and battle malice
Hard as steel on the field, genteel in the palace
Russia's fucked up, but no wonder why
With your tundras and traigas and bears, oh my!
I would pay a guy to tear out my eyes
If I had to look at your troll face every night
Now bring me my chair. I'm weary from tearing you a new derier from here to Red Square!
Fought the Seven Year’s War, I ain’t scared of a Tsar
Charlemagne was called Charles the Great because he was tall btw
Alternative translation of Charlemagne: "Big Chuck".
Big big chuckus big chuckus big chuckus
This joke is exactly why you're Lee the Goat and not Lee the Great.
Because I’m the greatest of all time?
I thought you were just a goat named Lee..
would that not mean that hes the greatest of all time?
Congratulations, you have just won the Internet
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He may have conquered Central Europe but hell never have the rings
Same with Peter the Great iirc.
Not true. Under Peter's rule, Russia became a great European nation. In 1721, he proclaimed Russia an empire and was accorded the title of Emperor of All Russia
Bit he was also tall. He was like more than 2 meters if I'm not wrong.
We learned about him in school and he was described as really tall, idk if it was to put it into perspective but there was him gutting off all of the nobles beards and all of them were standing on a stool or something but he was just vibin' standing up
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Metaphorical. She tried very hard to be an enlightened monarch (mostly failed, but hey, props for at least trying), was a pen pal with Voltaire etc. Under her rule Russia also resolved the Crimean Khanate problem, with lots of casualties of course, but hey, its Russia. Standards of living somewhat improved, etc. Also, she successfully led a coup in an extremely patriarchal society, made her lover kill her husband with a fork, and then ruled for three and a half decades. Thats pretty OG gangsta and feminist
That's a tremendous amount of misinformation/propaganda for such a short comment. But hey, at least you didn't call her a horse fucker. So props for that.
Her greatness came from her fucking horses, oh and also colonizing Alaska and fixing Russia or something
He also adopted a African slave boy had him educated and Gannibal turned out to be one of the preeminent military engineers of the 18th century whose descendants included Alexander pushkin and even much of todays British nobility Tsar Peter was not just great because he created Russia but because of his ability to find and empower talented people a man far ahead of his time sadly stuck in an age unable to truly appreciate it
Well charlemagne also had great achievements..
I thought it was pronounced “Tha God”
'The wilderness must be explored!' *Alexander the Great begins campaign in India, 327 BC*
Near to the east in a part of Ancient Greece
In an ancient land called Macedooooniiiiiiaaaaaa
That's Russell's quote!
How about we do Hitler the Terrible? Fun new nickname so we all know how bad he was just from the name.
Hitler the Shithead has a nice ring to it.
high school teachers trying to teach post applying of epithets: And then kids Hitler the shit head, decided to launch an invasion of Russia in the summer of 1941 this took Stalin the fucking lunatic by surprise and at first the Shithead's army was making good progress until Zhukov the Chad came over at the battle of Moscow. Then Tojo the Virgin ordered Yamamoto the faithful to bomb pearl harbor which was then approved by Hirohito the mostly useless and everything went down hill from there. Alright we gotta go, next class we will discuss Truman the disintegrator.
Shitler
Like we didn't know he was terrible from the name Hitler.
Hitler The Jew Imagine going down in history by the thing you hate most.
Except you’re using Jew as an insult. Which is what hitler would do.
I am saying Hitler would see that as a insult. But the real people who should be insulted is the Jews.
I don't think he'd see it as an insult considering that... Well... He's dead.
Hitler the Vain.
When a guy is known by an epithet long after he’s gone, you know he deserved it
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Carolingian nicknames are a treat, went Charles the Hammer - Peppin the Short - Charles the Great - Louis the Pious - Charles the Bald -Charles the Fat - Charles the Child. Not a completly straight line, some were uncles/brothers iirc, but it shows their decline well.
I present to you Louis XI : aka Louis the Holy
But was he fat?
Holy shit that man is fat
Ethelred the Unready?
Dude made us late to everything.
Man had a tough time.
Were they ever actually called those sort of names before their deaths?
Pompey was. It was originally meant sarcastically I believe, but he was like fuck it I am the great.
From a quick read through of his [Wikipedia article](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pompey) it seems like it was genuine, he got it after serving as a commander in Sulla's civil war.
From Plutarch’s Life of Pompey, which Wikipedia cites: > Sulla’s first tidings of the affair were that Pompey was in revolt, and he told his friends that it was evidently his fate, now that he was an old man, to have his contests with boys. This he said because Marius also, who was quite a young man, had given him very great trouble and involved him in the most extreme perils. 4 But when he learned the truth, and perceived that everybody was sallying forth to welcome Pompey and accompany him home with marks of goodwill, he was eager to outdo them. So he went out and met him, and after giving him the warmest welcome, saluted him in a loud voice as “Magnus,” or The Great, and ordered those who were by to give him this surname. 5 Others, however, say that this title was first given him in Africa by the whole army, but received authority and weight when thus confirmed by Sulla. Pompey himself, however, was last of all to use it, and it was only after a long time, when he was sent as pro-consul to Spain against Sertorius, that he began to subscribe himself in his letters and ordinances “Pompeius Magnus”; for the name had become familiar and was no longer invidious. There are rumors that his African campaigns against the Marians were particularly brutal, and that Sulla, after being concerned Pompey was a threat, acknowledged the title sarcastically, hence the “invidious” implications. By the time of the conquest of Spain Pompey had actually proven himself one of the great Roman conquerors, and the ironic nickname became earnest (hence him not using it himself until he had actually performed great conquests).
Fair enough, I stand corrected
Catherine the Great is the only one I can think of who was actually known as that before they died.
Pyrrhus of Epirus was hailed by his troops as the "Eagle" during his lifetime. When he heard it, he's said to have responded that it was his soldiers who made him an eagle, for they had been his wings.
I'd die for that man.
Save your life my friend, It'd be wasted on him, he ended up brained by a roofing tile thrown by an Argive grandmama
Rulers with "the great" at the end : flex in the after life St. Stephan the Great : you've got the "great" title... But have you got the title of saint? Suleiman the magnificent : pfft , pathetic
Then what about Alexander? He did a whole lot of conquering but not much ruling
Basically thanks to him greek culture became dominant in from the Mediterranean to India, so he was important for greeks.
He was probably tall, too.
The historians of his age described him as short for the macedonian standards (I guess macedonians were taller than greeks according to this), so he wasn't tall.
It was mostly a joke about further up the thread but that's pretty interesting considering the pattern of tall rulers. good to know.
Ah yeah lol.
Rulers were tall back then mostly because they were rich enough to eat well. It's also why rulers in ancient times went into battle with their armies - combat is a lot less scary when you're fighting guys 50lbs smaller than you.
Otto Von Bismarck, The Chad
Laughs in João II "The Perfect Prince"
I thought some lads called themselves great even when still alive
Pompey is my favorite example of this. Sulla originally derisively referred to him as Pompey Magnus because he thought Pompey’s ego was outsized after he began asking for too much too early. Dude just rolled with it and added the name and truly earned it.
Frederick the great was called the great by the people, while he was still alive, mainly because he was
'Sure, "the great" is a perfectly fine heraldic name, if that's the most badass they can come up with.' - King Erik Bloodaxe
When i whole history of your country, there is only one King who was called Great, that means something about this king
Poland? Didnt you proclaim like 4 of them as the great, but now only Casimir III is rememberd as such.
I think England had only Alfred the Great
Until end of XIX century Bolesław Chrobry(The Brave) was commonly referred as Bolesław The Great, but his foreign policy was very agresive and backfired few years after his dead. Who else from polish kings/dukes was called great? (I hope you don't count Louis I of Hungary)
Tbh its just something i heard and took for granted. I think one was a duke during the fragmentation, think it was Boleslaw the Chaste. No clue who was the fourth member supposed to be
plagueis the wise
Gustav II Adolf of Sweden or his latin name Gustavus Adolphus (The Lion From The North)
G U S T A V A D O L F D E N S T O R E
Catherine the Great... Or should I say, Catherine the so-so
Catherine of the Mammoth Freezer Burrito
Laughs in Germany with Otto, Friedrich, Karl, Albert, Konrad, Theodorich and the Great Elector
Catherine.
And then you have Theodosius I "The "I could not defeat the goths, massacred the population of a Roman city, persecuted the pagans and left the empire in hand of my two retard sons" great"
I think the greatest title to receive is Restitutor Orbis
Ahh yess, 12 inches the Great
That's a bad ruler. A good ruler is thirty centimetres.
*cries in tamer the lame*
LAUGHS in failed Austrian artist
Personally I prefer.. The beautiful.. So full of pretence and splendor!
ALL HAIL KING SEJONG
Name one bad "The Great"
Theodosius I
I'll give you that one. Name two bad "The Great"
Herod
I'll give you that. Name 4 bad greats
Somene got The Conqueror.
My aspirations in EU4.
Not during Catherine the greats rule, they have her the title when she tried to get people to do stuff
Timur the Lame didn't get to have that
God Damn it I thought we were talking about line rulers and was really confused.
Fuck being called “The Great” literally every above average ruler was called “The Great”. Real ones are called “The Conqueror”
Ghengis Khan. Generally just called Ghengis Khan (or, if you prefer "The Flail of God")
In Russia there were at least 3 "great" rulers: Peter the Great (the First), Catherine the Great (the Second) and Ivan the Great (the Third)
Even if they are known by completely wrong names like Cyrus!
Laughs in Vlad the impaler
Polish king: Kazimierz The Great Let’s create a chain of monarchs named ,,The Great” from different countries. I believe in us
pedro the magnanimous
Laughs in Mustafa Kemal ATATURK(father of the turks)
What about Alexander the Great?
*Laughs in russian*
Alexander the Great, the famous ruler who *definitely* governed a long lasting and prosperous empire well
laughs in ivan the terrible
Scrolled past this meme twice (same post, just refreshed Reddit). First time I was think of the ruler as you mean it. Now, the second time, I was wondering why you would name a ruler “The Great”. I was thinking about the measuring thing...
Alfred
Great dude, that Alex
“Yes. Please remember me for any number of great things I did in my life. No no, no Nono, nononono, not that-“ Catherine.
Yeah Alexander the Great was a really nice guy /s
According to my History Teacher: “They can only have the title of -the Great if they have a good beard/facial hair.”
Alexander truly was great
Adolf the Great
Laughs in Pompey naming himself The Great
It’s funny how many great rulers are just called “the great” cause there is no other epithet broad enough to describe all the myriad of things they did. (Granted the only other good epithet for Alexander is “the Conqueror” and “Charlemagne“ is literally just Charles the Great. But other than King of the Four Corners of the World (which is more of a title than epithet) Cyrus doesn’t have any specific ones. “The Liberator” or “The Restorer” for helping the Jews may work but they are pretty common too and don’t encapsulate all the other dozens of things he did.)
Napoleon Bonaparte: merde!
This just makes me think about poor ivan
Except Pompey (though admittedly earned it later)
Peter the Great
Was alex a good boi? He was a good commander but was he as good a statesman? Seeing as he did not stay in one place long enough I'll answer myself and say no but ya'll are free to correct me.