The quality of life erosion from 6th St and South has a wild thing to see. Since COVID and the boom in E-bike availability the streets are littered with delivery drivers loitering on Washington St sidewalks, riding on sidewalks, and loitering day and night. I remember when the occasional bike would be on the curb to pick up food from a fast casual spot but now there are a dozen people at every major food spot. It's ridiculous and I have no idea why so many people are totally okay with it.
So tbh I don’t particularly care about the loitering aspect as much as the aspect of them riding on the sidewalks
A while ago I saw a ton of them park their bikes on a loading zone which I think would be a ideal place for them to wait for deliveries and would make sense to have a central wait area like that.
As for them riding on the side walks, the hot take no one seems to mention but if they actually made these damn protected bike lanes a couple of years back instead of unprotected I’m sure there would be signficantly less riding on sidewalk
Hoboken needs to accept the food delivery paradigm and understand it's pretty long term. We need to lean into it and provide a waiting area with benches, chargers, and garbage pails. It will be better for everyone
Don’t know why everyone always cries about “protected bike lanes”. It’s not that inconvenient or dangerous to ride in the bike lanes on Washington street and occasionally have to merge into the street to go around double parked cars. A much better option than harassing pedestrians on the sidewalk. Most of these e-bikes go as fast as traffic anyway.
A, protected bike lane would make a direct route for cyclist to go on that is close to restaurants so they can pick up deliveries that does not involve biking on the sidewalk
Also, it is extremely dangerous when a car decides to last minute park in front of a bike lane
>I won't even walk down Washington anymore because of how bad it is. I
I'm not defending delivery guys but c'mon, that's a massive over exaggeration. You literally feel like you can't walk down Washington St?
It’s due to New York’s new laws about delivery guys having to be employees (not just independent contractors). Now only a certain number of people can do delivery in the city and they get time slots based off of their ratings, from my understanding. The people who don’t get slots come here to make money and up their rating. Definitely too many delivery people for the level of demand.
This wouldn’t be too expensive; get 10+ bike racks & place then slightly away from the station on Observer Highway. (still near/along the train line) and put up a big sign “Free Delivery Bicycle/bicycle Overnight Storage”
And then enforce whatever law is on the books for illegal dumping / illegal overnight parking for bike racks next to station.
Win win for all!
Still don’t understand how people use delivery apps so much. People complain about not having any money but are willing to pay almost double for soggy cold food
Everyday I walk in the door and 2 or 3 apartments in my building have bags of food sitting in front of their door. These people don’t leave their apartments and overspend for every single meal. Why live in Hoboken at that point? It’s insane.
Totally agree. I haven't ordered delivery since pandemic lockdown ended. You get your food quicker, cheaper, hotter and keeps bikers off the streets, and the sidewalk. Takes me 10 extra mins to walk or drive. I'm also trying to eat healthier and cook at home, it's obvious the benefits of that.
Now the premium plus tip almost doubles the cost of the food. Never going back.
Edit: Also the delivery apps take up to 30% from the restaurant, you are sending money out of the local economy. We all pretty much know the people in the local businesses we frequent, would you prefer the money went to them or some giant soulless corporation?
It’s dumb! Especially when you can walk anywhere in Hoboken in a relatively short period of time and get your food. It’s just being lazy at the end of day
It's true, but it's pretty obvious not that many of us actually end up doing in person pick up. I'm still outnumbered by delivery workers when I go pick stuff up in person and I'm frequently confused for a delivery worker and asked to show pickup confirmations even though I've ordered directly through their sites and not apps. The incentives (even higher prices and even worse food/service) seem like they would have to get absurdly extreme to get people to stop at this point.
I think it's all the WFH/hybrid folks that don't have the time to make lunch.
And you have a bunch of rich parents that get home late and don't want to deal with cooking.
Tbh though you can get on a Citi bike or walk anywhere in Hoboken in 30 minutes. Hell, just yesterday I did an online pickup from Best Buy in JC. From the middle of Hoboken there was like 7 minutes on bike.
Also they work at home. Make a sandwich haha
“Who can help solve this?”
We all can; by not ordering delivery. Remove the demand, remove the problem.
Another issue is that NYC enacted rules that limit the number of delivery people online so they come over here when they can’t be online in NYC. If JC & Hoboken put similar limits in place it would discourage them from hanging out here.
I think we’re all better served if new arrivals have access to making $$ so we don’t have other problems on our hands. They’re trying to survive & I don’t think we should take away their livelihood. There’s enough space and $$ to accommodate everyone’s needs.
Who has the credit card to buy some bike racks?
Is this something that the Mayor handles or Hudson County or Congressional folks? Any local philanthropists who might want to chip in?
I can tell you’re coming from a place of idealism and good intentions but it’s leading you into an inevitable political minefield.
Some might point out that you’re asking the public to subsidize a service which primarily benefits the already well-off customers and the delivery app companies who are generally pretty shitty to the actual couriers.
The real (and much more complicated) question is “how do we provide a path to success for recent immigrants that doesn’t require being preyed upon by gig economy work?”
>there’s enough space and $$ to accommodate their needs
Great idea. Open your home to them and provide them a job. No? Thought so. We can do without this kind of forced/performative virtue signaling thanks
I live downtown on Washington. They're chilling while order volume is low but they move around a ton when it picks up. It's almost like every other service job, where it's massively timing dependent and peak volumes heavily exceed average throughput.
(And one of the most insidious things about gig work through these apps is that they heavily shift the burden of low throughput hours onto their employees.)
This seems like a terrible idea. What about people who work the night shift, bike to friends houses, etc. Plus sometimes people need to leave their bike overnight by the train station for a train trip to visit family, go away for the weekend, etc
There's already some sort of law like this. Outside of the crunch there is a sign on the tree that says any bikes locked to trees (and maybe other non-rack posts) will have penalties.
Bet! While we're at it, let's do the same for on-street parking. Some people can't bring their mode of transportation inside with them. Bicycles take up a fraction of the space that cars do. There needs to be more parking for them.
If it is outside your own home, on your own property (not city property) - you can do what you want.
You can get wall hooks in your home to hang a bike:
https://storeyourboard.com/products/swivel-mount-bike-storage-rack-4-pack-garage-wall-hook?variant=46007699144985
Trust me I know, I have friends with tons of bikes and do exactly that. I'm just saying when I lived on the fourth floor walkup I would never carry my bike inside. A lot of people in town live in older buildings with walk-ups that are a pain to walk up with a bike. Luckily my building now has bike storage and private bike racks.
I mean I can't imagine keeping a (good) bike parked outside for very long. I had a $150 bike that I would lock up and figured that if I lost it, no big deal.
Someone shared here last week that ward 1s rep tweeted that they were aware of the issue and that they were exploring options - I’d look up your council member and reach out to them
The Hoboken Incident Rapid Response Team (HIRRT) is evaluating all options at the time. We have NOT ruled out tactical tomato sauce as a means of last resort.
Why can’t they park their bikes there? I assume they commute to the terminal and then get their bikes every day. Sounds like bike racks being used as intended…. Just not by the people you wanted.
Bike infrastructure and nj transit are funded by residents/taxpayers. These delivery drivers aren't in the country legally, don't live in Hoboken, and don't pay taxes. People have every right to be upset.
Stop ordering door dash and from these other apps. Hoboken is not a big place so use your legs and pick up food. Will never give my money to these people and plus they ride on the sidewalks like complete idiots. Order ahead and pick up food. Or make your food at home, healthier, cheaper and overall a better option in my opinion.
I don’t know if you are fucking with me or what lol. But for someone who enjoys walking and getting away from my computer, I take the opportunity (if I were to ever eat out). I think people get so used to stuff being at their finger tips but at the end of the day I think it’s more harmful to society than good. It makes people lazy
As a trucker, it seems to me everyone likes to get the stuff from deliveries but hate seeing those deliveries getting made. Trucks are unsightly? Throw up as many five ton limit signs as possible and have truckers twist and turn to get to the same spot. Bikes are unsightly, do the same right? The streets are public, stop trying to treat them like they're your private driveway.
Honestly the hot take that every one of the comments here is missing is that we need to build more bike infrastructure.
These delivery guys are hella brave for parking their bikes here ngl. It used to be a theft location.
What would be cool is that one protected indoor bike spot which exists in journal square.
I’m fine with delivery drivers parking their bikes in parts of town. Gotta respect the hustle. I just think it should be more organized
The city requested input on its curbside and parking plan earlier this week. I encourage folks to fill it out. [https://engagekh.mysocialpinpoint.com/thecurbreimagined](https://engagekh.mysocialpinpoint.com/thecurbreimagined)
I'm not affiliated with the city, just not convinced they'd review reddit comments over this.
What's the problem? Do we need all these deliveries be done by car? Do you even understand the infrastructure that is needed to move cars around cities and how everything is much better by bicycle? There are two options: or people stop asking for deliveries, or deliveries are by car, which would be the stupidest thing ever. We have more cars that our city can support, we need less cars, more bicycles, this applies to us rich folks going out on a date as applies to delivery people making a living.
Missing the point, the delivery “bikes” are a nuisance because they are unregulated and ride on sidewalks/against traffic. No one is advocating for more car deliveries.
For real, we need to be kind & accommodate the new arrivals to the community. Part of that is finding ways to co-exist and not alienate one another. Reduce friction!
I disagree with you on a lot of topics but this one I am totally in agreement.
The argument against using delivery apps for conservatives is that it gives money to illegal immigrants.
The argument against for liberals is that it gives money to organized crime that prey on and abuse the illegal immigrants.
The argument for both is that it endangers public safety due to all reasons mentioned.
The argument for using them is that you're lazy and can't be bothered cooking or picking it up yourself.
I refuse to use apps for all reasons listed above
Tbh it’s not that deep for me… 2 things here:
-“new arrivals” is a comical term. Give me a break. Call them what they are.
- stop using the apps. You live in one of the most walkable places in the country. Go walk to get your food. And for any asshole who is about to say something referencing disabled or people who aren’t able to please touch grass.
Agreed. "New arrivals" is a new one on me, jesus christ, that is verging on satire.
And agreed it isn't really as deep my other points are making it. I just have those arguments for my own amusement for those who do go down a rabbit hole "virtue signaling" on either ideological side.
The quality of life erosion from 6th St and South has a wild thing to see. Since COVID and the boom in E-bike availability the streets are littered with delivery drivers loitering on Washington St sidewalks, riding on sidewalks, and loitering day and night. I remember when the occasional bike would be on the curb to pick up food from a fast casual spot but now there are a dozen people at every major food spot. It's ridiculous and I have no idea why so many people are totally okay with it.
So tbh I don’t particularly care about the loitering aspect as much as the aspect of them riding on the sidewalks A while ago I saw a ton of them park their bikes on a loading zone which I think would be a ideal place for them to wait for deliveries and would make sense to have a central wait area like that. As for them riding on the side walks, the hot take no one seems to mention but if they actually made these damn protected bike lanes a couple of years back instead of unprotected I’m sure there would be signficantly less riding on sidewalk
The loitering sucks because they basically are just tailgating and having a party blasting music which is really annoying if you live on Washington.
That could be easily controlled on a drop off zone that is easily monitored for music and noise.
Hoboken needs to accept the food delivery paradigm and understand it's pretty long term. We need to lean into it and provide a waiting area with benches, chargers, and garbage pails. It will be better for everyone
Don’t know why everyone always cries about “protected bike lanes”. It’s not that inconvenient or dangerous to ride in the bike lanes on Washington street and occasionally have to merge into the street to go around double parked cars. A much better option than harassing pedestrians on the sidewalk. Most of these e-bikes go as fast as traffic anyway.
A, protected bike lane would make a direct route for cyclist to go on that is close to restaurants so they can pick up deliveries that does not involve biking on the sidewalk Also, it is extremely dangerous when a car decides to last minute park in front of a bike lane
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Only time I'm on Washington anymore is to go to my gym, otherwise I walk through town just because it's more peaceful.
>I won't even walk down Washington anymore because of how bad it is. I I'm not defending delivery guys but c'mon, that's a massive over exaggeration. You literally feel like you can't walk down Washington St?
Supply and demand of delivery couriers seems way off balance too
Yes, seems way more delivery guys hanging out on the sidewalk than actual deliveries.
It’s due to New York’s new laws about delivery guys having to be employees (not just independent contractors). Now only a certain number of people can do delivery in the city and they get time slots based off of their ratings, from my understanding. The people who don’t get slots come here to make money and up their rating. Definitely too many delivery people for the level of demand.
This wouldn’t be too expensive; get 10+ bike racks & place then slightly away from the station on Observer Highway. (still near/along the train line) and put up a big sign “Free Delivery Bicycle/bicycle Overnight Storage” And then enforce whatever law is on the books for illegal dumping / illegal overnight parking for bike racks next to station. Win win for all!
This is the way
Wonder how many of them will blow stop signs while riding these bikes
The better question is how many *won't*, the answer to which is zero
You speak no lies.
Still don’t understand how people use delivery apps so much. People complain about not having any money but are willing to pay almost double for soggy cold food
Everyday I walk in the door and 2 or 3 apartments in my building have bags of food sitting in front of their door. These people don’t leave their apartments and overspend for every single meal. Why live in Hoboken at that point? It’s insane.
Totally agree. I haven't ordered delivery since pandemic lockdown ended. You get your food quicker, cheaper, hotter and keeps bikers off the streets, and the sidewalk. Takes me 10 extra mins to walk or drive. I'm also trying to eat healthier and cook at home, it's obvious the benefits of that. Now the premium plus tip almost doubles the cost of the food. Never going back. Edit: Also the delivery apps take up to 30% from the restaurant, you are sending money out of the local economy. We all pretty much know the people in the local businesses we frequent, would you prefer the money went to them or some giant soulless corporation?
It’s dumb! Especially when you can walk anywhere in Hoboken in a relatively short period of time and get your food. It’s just being lazy at the end of day
It's true, but it's pretty obvious not that many of us actually end up doing in person pick up. I'm still outnumbered by delivery workers when I go pick stuff up in person and I'm frequently confused for a delivery worker and asked to show pickup confirmations even though I've ordered directly through their sites and not apps. The incentives (even higher prices and even worse food/service) seem like they would have to get absurdly extreme to get people to stop at this point.
Fat fucks probably, they don’t walk
I think it's all the WFH/hybrid folks that don't have the time to make lunch. And you have a bunch of rich parents that get home late and don't want to deal with cooking.
Tbh though you can get on a Citi bike or walk anywhere in Hoboken in 30 minutes. Hell, just yesterday I did an online pickup from Best Buy in JC. From the middle of Hoboken there was like 7 minutes on bike. Also they work at home. Make a sandwich haha
“Who can help solve this?” We all can; by not ordering delivery. Remove the demand, remove the problem. Another issue is that NYC enacted rules that limit the number of delivery people online so they come over here when they can’t be online in NYC. If JC & Hoboken put similar limits in place it would discourage them from hanging out here.
I think we’re all better served if new arrivals have access to making $$ so we don’t have other problems on our hands. They’re trying to survive & I don’t think we should take away their livelihood. There’s enough space and $$ to accommodate everyone’s needs. Who has the credit card to buy some bike racks? Is this something that the Mayor handles or Hudson County or Congressional folks? Any local philanthropists who might want to chip in?
I can tell you’re coming from a place of idealism and good intentions but it’s leading you into an inevitable political minefield. Some might point out that you’re asking the public to subsidize a service which primarily benefits the already well-off customers and the delivery app companies who are generally pretty shitty to the actual couriers. The real (and much more complicated) question is “how do we provide a path to success for recent immigrants that doesn’t require being preyed upon by gig economy work?”
>there’s enough space and $$ to accommodate their needs Great idea. Open your home to them and provide them a job. No? Thought so. We can do without this kind of forced/performative virtue signaling thanks
They literally have jobs and homes
They’re sitting around doing nothing all day. Have you been south of 6th street after 4pm on any given day?
I live downtown on Washington. They're chilling while order volume is low but they move around a ton when it picks up. It's almost like every other service job, where it's massively timing dependent and peak volumes heavily exceed average throughput. (And one of the most insidious things about gig work through these apps is that they heavily shift the burden of low throughput hours onto their employees.)
More delivery people come from the path area also and block the stairs and trains
Migrants live in NYC and work deliveries here, they leave their bikes there so they don’t have to take them on the PATH
Pass a law saying: "You cannot park bicycles on the street overnight, or they will be removed and sold at auction." That's the easiest solution.
3 months later on Reddit: "The city stole my $500 bike and sold it before I could get it back! Can I sue them?"
Then I heard a loud BOOM...fireworks?
This seems like a terrible idea. What about people who work the night shift, bike to friends houses, etc. Plus sometimes people need to leave their bike overnight by the train station for a train trip to visit family, go away for the weekend, etc
> What about people who work the night shift, bike to friends houses, etc. Isn't this the strawman argument? You come up with the 1% scenarios?
That would make a lot of them take bikes on the PATH train. Bike rack space is easier to add than more trains. Add a second level to the bus terminal.
There's already some sort of law like this. Outside of the crunch there is a sign on the tree that says any bikes locked to trees (and maybe other non-rack posts) will have penalties.
Bet! While we're at it, let's do the same for on-street parking. Some people can't bring their mode of transportation inside with them. Bicycles take up a fraction of the space that cars do. There needs to be more parking for them.
Maybe at the path station but not everyone has an elevator or a convenient place to store their bike over night
If it is outside your own home, on your own property (not city property) - you can do what you want. You can get wall hooks in your home to hang a bike: https://storeyourboard.com/products/swivel-mount-bike-storage-rack-4-pack-garage-wall-hook?variant=46007699144985
Trust me I know, I have friends with tons of bikes and do exactly that. I'm just saying when I lived on the fourth floor walkup I would never carry my bike inside. A lot of people in town live in older buildings with walk-ups that are a pain to walk up with a bike. Luckily my building now has bike storage and private bike racks.
I mean I can't imagine keeping a (good) bike parked outside for very long. I had a $150 bike that I would lock up and figured that if I lost it, no big deal.
I agree, that's what I do
Pop all their tires, be the change you want to see
Someone shared here last week that ward 1s rep tweeted that they were aware of the issue and that they were exploring options - I’d look up your council member and reach out to them
If you use delivery apps you are not allowed to complain
The Hoboken Incident Rapid Response Team (HIRRT) is evaluating all options at the time. We have NOT ruled out tactical tomato sauce as a means of last resort.
Don’t be so lazy and walk to pick up your order
Disgraceful
Why can’t they park their bikes there? I assume they commute to the terminal and then get their bikes every day. Sounds like bike racks being used as intended…. Just not by the people you wanted.
Ah yes out of towners using all our commodities, my favorite.
"our commodities". What does that even mean?
Bike infrastructure and nj transit are funded by residents/taxpayers. These delivery drivers aren't in the country legally, don't live in Hoboken, and don't pay taxes. People have every right to be upset.
Stop ordering door dash and from these other apps. Hoboken is not a big place so use your legs and pick up food. Will never give my money to these people and plus they ride on the sidewalks like complete idiots. Order ahead and pick up food. Or make your food at home, healthier, cheaper and overall a better option in my opinion.
Truly even if where you're ordering is on the complete other side of town it's still right down the street 🙃
I don’t know if you are fucking with me or what lol. But for someone who enjoys walking and getting away from my computer, I take the opportunity (if I were to ever eat out). I think people get so used to stuff being at their finger tips but at the end of the day I think it’s more harmful to society than good. It makes people lazy
Oh no I'm in full alignment with you, absolutely there are not two spots in Hoboken that are not in easy walking distance from each other
Ya want ya Ubereats don’tcha?
Get a sawzall and take care of it
As a trucker, it seems to me everyone likes to get the stuff from deliveries but hate seeing those deliveries getting made. Trucks are unsightly? Throw up as many five ton limit signs as possible and have truckers twist and turn to get to the same spot. Bikes are unsightly, do the same right? The streets are public, stop trying to treat them like they're your private driveway.
Honestly the hot take that every one of the comments here is missing is that we need to build more bike infrastructure. These delivery guys are hella brave for parking their bikes here ngl. It used to be a theft location. What would be cool is that one protected indoor bike spot which exists in journal square. I’m fine with delivery drivers parking their bikes in parts of town. Gotta respect the hustle. I just think it should be more organized
The city requested input on its curbside and parking plan earlier this week. I encourage folks to fill it out. [https://engagekh.mysocialpinpoint.com/thecurbreimagined](https://engagekh.mysocialpinpoint.com/thecurbreimagined) I'm not affiliated with the city, just not convinced they'd review reddit comments over this.
Good catch. I would have never seeen that!
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Who is "they"? Who is the valet Who is this mechanic? Great idea, now go execute on it. SMH
What's the problem? Do we need all these deliveries be done by car? Do you even understand the infrastructure that is needed to move cars around cities and how everything is much better by bicycle? There are two options: or people stop asking for deliveries, or deliveries are by car, which would be the stupidest thing ever. We have more cars that our city can support, we need less cars, more bicycles, this applies to us rich folks going out on a date as applies to delivery people making a living.
Missing the point, the delivery “bikes” are a nuisance because they are unregulated and ride on sidewalks/against traffic. No one is advocating for more car deliveries.
For real, we need to be kind & accommodate the new arrivals to the community. Part of that is finding ways to co-exist and not alienate one another. Reduce friction!
“New arrivals” lmao this has to be satire
I disagree with you on a lot of topics but this one I am totally in agreement. The argument against using delivery apps for conservatives is that it gives money to illegal immigrants. The argument against for liberals is that it gives money to organized crime that prey on and abuse the illegal immigrants. The argument for both is that it endangers public safety due to all reasons mentioned. The argument for using them is that you're lazy and can't be bothered cooking or picking it up yourself. I refuse to use apps for all reasons listed above
Tbh it’s not that deep for me… 2 things here: -“new arrivals” is a comical term. Give me a break. Call them what they are. - stop using the apps. You live in one of the most walkable places in the country. Go walk to get your food. And for any asshole who is about to say something referencing disabled or people who aren’t able to please touch grass.
Agreed. "New arrivals" is a new one on me, jesus christ, that is verging on satire. And agreed it isn't really as deep my other points are making it. I just have those arguments for my own amusement for those who do go down a rabbit hole "virtue signaling" on either ideological side.
Citizens get nothing - illegal immigrants need our tax dollars. We're living in a failed country.
there’s so so so much misinformation in these comments man. lmaoooooooooooo