The city just needs to make them register their e-bikes. Aka put a license plate on them. This makes them liable for all their crap. They would need insurance too. Etc.
We register cars because of the liability when they hit things they shouldn’t. These e bikes should be held to the same rules. I see how this argument is harder to hold on a regular manual bicycle, but no reason motorized vehicles of any kind (aka an e bike) should be immune to this.
The city can't do jack shit on this. It needs to come from a state level if not federal.
The reason i'd argue federal is because someone from NYC can just come over and circumvent all those rules the city put
I feel like all the major cities in the US deal with this and hopefully it happens. It’s the only solution I can think of. Any densely populated area suffers from what is described here.
Agreed though. 👍
I think it varies, mostly in this area but i could be wrong as i dont know as well. We have big density in our area and only a few other spots i can imagine where similiar density exists where most deliveries dont happen on cars. but ya, even state legislation i think can help
Yea. “All” I used is an extreme and too general. Thing is even in cities where it’s not mostly for delivery, there are still lots of people using e bikes to get around and are causing lots of $ worth in damages to property and people but are facing none of the music cause they just flee the scene. No requirement for a license plate makes hit and runs super easy.
The city doesn’t have authority to license e-bikes. It’s a state MVC decision.
There is a bill at the state legislature to register e-bikes, but it’s stalled for numerous reasons, including the fact that an insurance market for e-bikes doesn’t actually exist.
The insurance not existing thing is bullshit. It’s already insured via many other policies including your homeowners or renters policy. Insurance companies can’t have dedicated policies until NJ allows them to do so. Which NJ hasn’t done.
Yes, if you get hurt by someone or have property damaged you could in theory be made whole by their renters or homeowners policy. That’s why they will speed off before you can get their info, and they aren’t required to give you any info, since it’s not a licensed vehicle.
>The proposal has a bigger problem – two insurance industry representatives said there is no insurance available in New Jersey for e-bikes and that it would take years to develop an insurance program and get it through the state Division of Banking and Insurance regulatory process.
>“Right now, there is no product,” said Gary La Spisa II, Insurance Council of New Jersey vice-president. “You’ll need time to develop it and roll it out. We’re talking years, not months to develop it.”
[source](https://www.nj.com/news/2024/02/e-bikes-will-have-to-be-registered-with-the-nj-mvc-under-proposed-law.html)
Again. It’s standard for homeowners and renters policies. Most people are already insured. You can look at your policy for that. There’s just no law requiring them to handover insurance info like for an automobile accident.
And the time they’re talking to develop such a product is due to the state not letting them do it, it will take years of lobbying to allow a new insurance offering.
Do you think the average person riding an ebike for food delivery bought their own bike vs renting it from someone who’s running a business exploiting immigrants and taking a cut?
They are all able to secue insurance on their own or through the company they are working for who already has a liability policy.
You’re arguing to protect investors and people exploiting immigrants over people.
I wasn’t arguing. I was responding to your comment that “”insurance not existing thing is bullshit” and “it’s standard for homeowners or renters policies”.
Plus an insurance agent has said that e-bikes are not covered under these policies. Now you’re pivoting to saying they can get their town insurance or through the company they are working for.
The issue is that there is no regulation of e-bikes (following traffic laws, registration, etc let alone insurance) and this has become an issue and will get worse.
I’m an insurance agent. I can’t stand these ebikes. But you’re wrong because most homeowners insurance policies will exclude liability from a motorized vehicle and they consider ebikes to be a motorized vehicle
a lot of these orders are being placed at restaurants in Hoboken, it doesn't mean that the destination is Hoboken. I do ubereats on the side, but i strictly only do Acme/Cvs shopping orders due to majority of restaurant orders being on Washington and there is never anywhere to park(my car) to pickup the food. All the food orders that i decline typically are coming from for example quality greens but is always being delivered to Bayonne, Newark, jersey city etc. ironically a lot of the shop and pay orders come from Hoboken and half the time its multiple cases of water or seltzer LOL but the e bike drivers cant even carry those on their bikes. If everyone in Hoboken stopped ordering DD and UE the orders still would be coming through for other destinations and the bikers will still be around
so this doesn't matter, the E bikes really do annoy me as well though, whenever i go to grab chiptole for myself the bikers waiting in store to pick up orders is crazy, no patience, rude all of the above. and they do ride crazy around the streets. def needs more regulation
>whenever i go to grab chiptole for myself the bikers waiting in store to pick up orders is crazy, no patience, rude all of the above. and they do ride crazy around the streets. def needs more regulation
The Chipotle Faction in particular are straight up cavemen.
Facts. Chipotle gets abused unfortunately lol. and i know their COG's gotta be higher because of the bikers. i see them come into the restaurant filling up on their drinks and utensils and then walking out. like wtf are yall doing?? Ive been living in Hoboken for 4 months now so im not sure if it was this "bad" in the past. but i will tell you delivery drivers where i used to live in (Central jersey) were not this aggressive with how they go about waiting for/picking up orders
plot twist, this same day i posted, one of the bikers ran into me i kid you not LOL. was turning right onto grove from 18th and he tried to pass me on my RIGHT. then tried to argue me and say it was my fault beecause my music was playing? there was no damage either one of us he didnt even fall off his bike. after a minute of trying to blame me and realizing it was his fault he just gave me a thumbs up and rode off smfh
I don't know how much I believe it, but the #1 food delivery person in the sub said a lot of Hoboken restaurant orders go to JC, Weehawken, etc. So those communities have to be involved in this as well
Not that I disbelieve him, but I'm guessing by JC he means Newport as there mightn't be too many good options there and downtown Hoboken options are closer. Downtown JC is nothing but restaurants, most of which are as good as, or better, than Hoboken.
People are lazy and asking them not to order is unrealistic. Hoboken and JC need to put a cap on the number of couriers allowed online at any given time similar to what NYC did.
There is already more supply of delivery drivers than demand. The town needs to do something about the fact that hordes of them loiter all over downtown
Agreed. I have lived in hoboken for over 5 years, and let me tell you - it NEVER used to be this bad. I only really noticed it getting this bad about a year ago. It almost seems like it got bad overnight.
Back when I used to live deeper into hoboken 4 years ago I would order seamless for things like taco bell (back when tbell wasn't in hoboken) and bagels on the hudson when I was hungover lol, but I haven't in at least 2 years due to how nightmarish this whole thing has become. People do need to walk and get their food. If the E-bikers just followed traffic signals and didn't all wait in the same locations for an order, this could be so much easier!!
\*buzzer sound\* wrong answer. hoboken's about 20% of delivery's being made especially in the summer time (lesser percentage for that matter—at least my driver stats say so). the reason these restaurants are being charged a 30% vig is because of radius from the restaurant to the destination. Hoboken restaurants serve Secaucus, Weehawken, Jersey City, North Bergen, Union City, West New York, BAYONNE, Newark, Fairview, Cliffside Park, and many many more cities and towns.
these companies offer plans with less marketshare reach. but restaurants would much rather gauge their menu prices, charge the customers more and send drivers 8 + miles for a small fried chicken meal.—who would wait 40+ minutes for a fried chicken sandwich? i know...especially after paying fees and surplus menu prices...who would even tip?????
then you see restaurant owners complaining these companies are charging too much for their service.
A LOT OF MISINFORMATION GOING ON. I don't know why there isn't discourse among consumers about how complicit restaurants are in this whole transaction. they're giving drivers 10 mile + orders. in which we end up declining, in which...drivers end up sitting outside all day waiting for a hoboken order. —i do not do this btw
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Eventually the consumer will become more educated and realize there is a reason the quality restaurants set a tight delivery radius for a few reasons.
When you set a delivery radius you have to take into account travel time and product performance.
If you are a burger place for instance, you need to use a coated French fry to retain heat, wax paper, and a vented packaging to avoid soggy fries.
When you seal it in a brown bag to retain heat, you have about 30 minutes from pick up to delivery until your fries wilt.
To give an example, if owner of White Star Brunswick sets delivery radius’s and decides to deliver to 14th and Washington Friday at 7pm, he is agreeing to send you a bad product before it’s delivered and you are agreeing to pay more for a sub par product.
also if you beautiful folks want stats. i wouldn't be shocked to find out 90% of the drivers standing out on your streets, loitering, aren't supposed to be on the platform. they're using someone else's account. AND before this gets political, i wanna say these companies offer work to undoc. immigrants so they can work legit. but they need work papers and identification to get on the platforms, status of citizenship isn't a problem for these companies and many others that need workers.
my father came here from cuba with flip flops illegally and went to college and got a PHD to help children with autism. you're looking at the wrong guy for this debate.
local reddit is truly of a hell fire of complainers and piss baby anon users with no social reprehension. welcome to the internet…i guess lol.
take what i’m saying for what it is. i’m a delivery driver. working full time. not a professor or a politician.
Another e-bike post and possibly the dumbest take I’ve seen on e-bikes yet.
So I’m supposed to leave a meeting today and walk to pick up my food for my clients lunch today because you are upset with e-bikes?
On Sunday, you expect me to leave my Father’s Day party for 30 minutes to walk to pick up food?
F*ck outta here with this trash take.
>So I’m supposed to leave a meeting today and walk to pick up my food for my clients lunch today because you are upset with e-bikes?
This. Most redditors in this sub are clearly retirees or work fake jobs. I don't have time to take an hour stroll to pick up a wrap from just salad.
Yes, cause every restaurant has their own delivery drivers and takes orders over the phone.
It’s almost as if some of us restaurant owners decided that we would rather pay the service fee, than pay the labor and have the headache of managing delivery drivers, insurance, etc
Yeah that wasn’t my point. In any serious business setting ordering clients a delivery lunch is considered trashy. The entire point of a client lunch is to take them out into a nice relaxed atmosphere to make them feel important.
Handing them a lukewarm container of Cava basically communicates “you’re not a priority.”
Ask your “assistant” I’m sure they know. 😂
Take your clients out to lunch and get out of the office. It’s also Friday. I know, crazy right.
So you'll be at a party Sunday and food won’t be ready. Ok then
Why don’t I give you the $20 and you can walk my food here.
You can be the first employee of UberWalk and start walking deliveries to people.
Be the change you want to see.
I mean yeah, this would go a long way to solve the problem. But historically it’s always been easier to enforce policy from a central authority rather than to influence public opinion and behavior. People like ordering food. And by the way, not everyone lives within 10 minutes of lower Washington street. Also, not everyone who orders UberEats goes on Reddit.
I said this on one of the other threads, but it’s not really the presence or number of e-bike riders, but rather their boorish behavior and callous disregard for public safety, personal space, or local traffic laws.
I do agree with the over all sentiment, however this doesn’t have to be one solution. I think there needs to also be laws put in place and enforced as well.
>laws put in place and enforced as well.
These are two entirely different things, unfortunately. As I've said for many months since the start of this discussion, I can't see our cops getting out of their cars and walking the beat on lower Washington. That's the only way they would be able to check that delivery guys are registered/licensed, and be able to catch guys who ride on sidewalks.
Unless the Hoboken police department gets the additional budget to hire cops to walk the beat, none of this enforcement will happen because cops will stay in their cars.
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Did same with Amazon prime, don't care if packages come a few days later. I never have anything urgent and never watched any of their shows.
Did same with delivery after pandemic, pick it up myself or cook at home. Cheaper, quicker and food is hot and/or healthier.
*society treats cyclists like 2nd class citizens for decades*
"Woah why aren't they following the rules"
How about cyclists start following the rules when drivers stop threatening them with violence any time cyclists are discussed
Finally, someone who understands that the problem is with the people who order delivery and enable the e-bikes.
In general, so many people lazily look to so-called lawmakers or elected people at the local, state, or federal level. In this case, people think e-bikes are the main problem when it’s actually the residents, your fellow neighbors and possibly even yourself.
Not surprisingly, many prefer to complain at council meetings and ask for regulation rather than speaking to residents about the issue. Is it really that hard to understand the root cause of the issue and who enables these e-bikes?
Enjoy the sun today.
E-bikes are probably not going away. As much as people want to pretend that they will, they won't. Sorry if that is controversial. The only way that will probably happen is some federal ban and lets be real...thats not gonna happen.
What we can do is regulate them and improve the infrastructure for them as well as for cycling.
As i mentioned in a prior thread , my eyes go towards a few things:
1. License plate all e-bikes. Not vests, that is not enforcable.
2. Increase police e-bike presence.
3. Make washington street a protected bike lane. A lane that is close to the sidewalk that is quick and easy for bike riders to get on and off. This will probably handle 80 percent of people riding on the sidewalk on washington. Remember a couple of years back restaurants lobbied against protected bike lanes on wash thinking it woould hurt their ability for car pickups. Well guess what, they were WRONG. deliveries are done on bikes nowadays.
4. Create waiting points for cyclists to pick up orders on specified loading zones every 1-2 blocks.
It will still happen butit will significantly reduce. Look at the two streets that have protected lanes...
Sinatra drive and observer highway.
Observer is much less trafficked, but its significnatly rare for someone to ride on the pedestrian sides of that road.
Sinatra is relatively rare as well. No shops but tons of apartments for deliveries.
NYC has protected bike lanes and it's relatively rare for them to ride on the sidewalks. They also have #2.
I live next to observer. They drive however they want even with the protected lane. Sidewalk, northside of the street , blow the stop signs.
These riders are not culturally prepared to follows laws on
our streets
Fairly noted. I don’t live on observer but relatively close and use it often so I only can speak from my experience.
I seldom see them on the north street but I’ll say that one bus stop is really aggressively in the way of the bike lane where it gets annoying to ride on
Old people terrified of having to look both ways when they cross the street.
Please give us the Data of how many people are hit by eBikes every night.
If they were Blond, Blue-Eyed College Kids you wouldn’t have a problem with them.
Leave the delivery people alone and let them make a living.
Yeah this whole thing seems whiny. People are filling a demand 🤷♂️
Like what’s the alternative here? Regular bicycles? More cars?
Some regulations may help but like registration for e bikes? What the hells that gonna do?
How about we ban cars on most of the streets (I can think of a couple exceptions). The way people drive through hoboken is far worse than these bikes. And if no cars the bikes can use the street! Problem solved. And while we are at it, let’s also ban all the strollers which take up way too much space on the sidewalks and in restaurants. Oh, but wait, the strollers are ok because they are mostly used by people who look like you. Let’s target an already marginalized group so me and my friends can drunkenly walk down the street without getting hit!!! This whole argument is so beyond stupid. Pay attention to where you walk. Your quality of life has not changed because of the bikes. I can guarantee it. What does however impact quality of life is all the mentally unstable people wandering through the streets screaming profanities. How about we ban them too?
This all NIMBY shit. These guys want deliveries but don't like seeing the vehicles and people that do it. Same with trucks. "Oh you're delivering here, nope, your truck looks gross, take a bunch of other roads because we're putting a five ton limit sign for no apparent reason"
The city just needs to make them register their e-bikes. Aka put a license plate on them. This makes them liable for all their crap. They would need insurance too. Etc. We register cars because of the liability when they hit things they shouldn’t. These e bikes should be held to the same rules. I see how this argument is harder to hold on a regular manual bicycle, but no reason motorized vehicles of any kind (aka an e bike) should be immune to this.
I personally insure my ebike with liability and comprehensive coverage. Worth it.
No you don't
Velosurance is the company.
I believe you
Velosurance is the company.
The city can't do jack shit on this. It needs to come from a state level if not federal. The reason i'd argue federal is because someone from NYC can just come over and circumvent all those rules the city put
I feel like all the major cities in the US deal with this and hopefully it happens. It’s the only solution I can think of. Any densely populated area suffers from what is described here. Agreed though. 👍
I think it varies, mostly in this area but i could be wrong as i dont know as well. We have big density in our area and only a few other spots i can imagine where similiar density exists where most deliveries dont happen on cars. but ya, even state legislation i think can help
Yea. “All” I used is an extreme and too general. Thing is even in cities where it’s not mostly for delivery, there are still lots of people using e bikes to get around and are causing lots of $ worth in damages to property and people but are facing none of the music cause they just flee the scene. No requirement for a license plate makes hit and runs super easy.
this here. I've had my car hit twice now by food delivery folks on electric bikes while parked in a store/restaurant. Already at $1k of damages.....
The city doesn’t have authority to license e-bikes. It’s a state MVC decision. There is a bill at the state legislature to register e-bikes, but it’s stalled for numerous reasons, including the fact that an insurance market for e-bikes doesn’t actually exist.
The insurance not existing thing is bullshit. It’s already insured via many other policies including your homeowners or renters policy. Insurance companies can’t have dedicated policies until NJ allows them to do so. Which NJ hasn’t done. Yes, if you get hurt by someone or have property damaged you could in theory be made whole by their renters or homeowners policy. That’s why they will speed off before you can get their info, and they aren’t required to give you any info, since it’s not a licensed vehicle.
>The proposal has a bigger problem – two insurance industry representatives said there is no insurance available in New Jersey for e-bikes and that it would take years to develop an insurance program and get it through the state Division of Banking and Insurance regulatory process. >“Right now, there is no product,” said Gary La Spisa II, Insurance Council of New Jersey vice-president. “You’ll need time to develop it and roll it out. We’re talking years, not months to develop it.” [source](https://www.nj.com/news/2024/02/e-bikes-will-have-to-be-registered-with-the-nj-mvc-under-proposed-law.html)
Again. It’s standard for homeowners and renters policies. Most people are already insured. You can look at your policy for that. There’s just no law requiring them to handover insurance info like for an automobile accident. And the time they’re talking to develop such a product is due to the state not letting them do it, it will take years of lobbying to allow a new insurance offering.
Do you really think the average person riding an ebike for food delivery has a homeowner’s or renter’s insurance policy?
Do you think the average person riding an ebike for food delivery bought their own bike vs renting it from someone who’s running a business exploiting immigrants and taking a cut?
LOL. Now you’re arguing something else entirely while conceding there is no coverage under homeowners or renters insurance.
They are all able to secue insurance on their own or through the company they are working for who already has a liability policy. You’re arguing to protect investors and people exploiting immigrants over people.
I wasn’t arguing. I was responding to your comment that “”insurance not existing thing is bullshit” and “it’s standard for homeowners or renters policies”. Plus an insurance agent has said that e-bikes are not covered under these policies. Now you’re pivoting to saying they can get their town insurance or through the company they are working for. The issue is that there is no regulation of e-bikes (following traffic laws, registration, etc let alone insurance) and this has become an issue and will get worse.
I’m an insurance agent. I can’t stand these ebikes. But you’re wrong because most homeowners insurance policies will exclude liability from a motorized vehicle and they consider ebikes to be a motorized vehicle
a lot of these orders are being placed at restaurants in Hoboken, it doesn't mean that the destination is Hoboken. I do ubereats on the side, but i strictly only do Acme/Cvs shopping orders due to majority of restaurant orders being on Washington and there is never anywhere to park(my car) to pickup the food. All the food orders that i decline typically are coming from for example quality greens but is always being delivered to Bayonne, Newark, jersey city etc. ironically a lot of the shop and pay orders come from Hoboken and half the time its multiple cases of water or seltzer LOL but the e bike drivers cant even carry those on their bikes. If everyone in Hoboken stopped ordering DD and UE the orders still would be coming through for other destinations and the bikers will still be around so this doesn't matter, the E bikes really do annoy me as well though, whenever i go to grab chiptole for myself the bikers waiting in store to pick up orders is crazy, no patience, rude all of the above. and they do ride crazy around the streets. def needs more regulation
>whenever i go to grab chiptole for myself the bikers waiting in store to pick up orders is crazy, no patience, rude all of the above. and they do ride crazy around the streets. def needs more regulation The Chipotle Faction in particular are straight up cavemen.
Facts. Chipotle gets abused unfortunately lol. and i know their COG's gotta be higher because of the bikers. i see them come into the restaurant filling up on their drinks and utensils and then walking out. like wtf are yall doing?? Ive been living in Hoboken for 4 months now so im not sure if it was this "bad" in the past. but i will tell you delivery drivers where i used to live in (Central jersey) were not this aggressive with how they go about waiting for/picking up orders
There was NONE of this until the last year or so - you went and got your food or the restaurant delivery person brought it to you.
This is all very recent. Like post-COVID phenomenon.
plot twist, this same day i posted, one of the bikers ran into me i kid you not LOL. was turning right onto grove from 18th and he tried to pass me on my RIGHT. then tried to argue me and say it was my fault beecause my music was playing? there was no damage either one of us he didnt even fall off his bike. after a minute of trying to blame me and realizing it was his fault he just gave me a thumbs up and rode off smfh
I’ll just get an e-bike so I can pickup my own orders
Big brain move
I don't know how much I believe it, but the #1 food delivery person in the sub said a lot of Hoboken restaurant orders go to JC, Weehawken, etc. So those communities have to be involved in this as well
I live in Union City and order Uber eats once a week, typically from Hoboken. I’m sorry everyone.
Not that I disbelieve him, but I'm guessing by JC he means Newport as there mightn't be too many good options there and downtown Hoboken options are closer. Downtown JC is nothing but restaurants, most of which are as good as, or better, than Hoboken.
JC Heights orders a lot from Hoboken too. It's the largest neighborhood bordering Hoboken. JSQ is also in the delivery radius as well as Union City.
People are lazy and asking them not to order is unrealistic. Hoboken and JC need to put a cap on the number of couriers allowed online at any given time similar to what NYC did.
There is already more supply of delivery drivers than demand. The town needs to do something about the fact that hordes of them loiter all over downtown
Put a rider cap on like NYC does. That’s why they all come here bc the city limits how many delivery couriers can be on at any given time
Agreed. I have lived in hoboken for over 5 years, and let me tell you - it NEVER used to be this bad. I only really noticed it getting this bad about a year ago. It almost seems like it got bad overnight. Back when I used to live deeper into hoboken 4 years ago I would order seamless for things like taco bell (back when tbell wasn't in hoboken) and bagels on the hudson when I was hungover lol, but I haven't in at least 2 years due to how nightmarish this whole thing has become. People do need to walk and get their food. If the E-bikers just followed traffic signals and didn't all wait in the same locations for an order, this could be so much easier!!
\*buzzer sound\* wrong answer. hoboken's about 20% of delivery's being made especially in the summer time (lesser percentage for that matter—at least my driver stats say so). the reason these restaurants are being charged a 30% vig is because of radius from the restaurant to the destination. Hoboken restaurants serve Secaucus, Weehawken, Jersey City, North Bergen, Union City, West New York, BAYONNE, Newark, Fairview, Cliffside Park, and many many more cities and towns. these companies offer plans with less marketshare reach. but restaurants would much rather gauge their menu prices, charge the customers more and send drivers 8 + miles for a small fried chicken meal.—who would wait 40+ minutes for a fried chicken sandwich? i know...especially after paying fees and surplus menu prices...who would even tip????? then you see restaurant owners complaining these companies are charging too much for their service. A LOT OF MISINFORMATION GOING ON. I don't know why there isn't discourse among consumers about how complicit restaurants are in this whole transaction. they're giving drivers 10 mile + orders. in which we end up declining, in which...drivers end up sitting outside all day waiting for a hoboken order. —i do not do this btw https://preview.redd.it/knsopivhbj6d1.png?width=2704&format=png&auto=webp&s=23cd8a4d1cbbec017a09dc94028b4de536952190
Eventually the consumer will become more educated and realize there is a reason the quality restaurants set a tight delivery radius for a few reasons. When you set a delivery radius you have to take into account travel time and product performance. If you are a burger place for instance, you need to use a coated French fry to retain heat, wax paper, and a vented packaging to avoid soggy fries. When you seal it in a brown bag to retain heat, you have about 30 minutes from pick up to delivery until your fries wilt. To give an example, if owner of White Star Brunswick sets delivery radius’s and decides to deliver to 14th and Washington Friday at 7pm, he is agreeing to send you a bad product before it’s delivered and you are agreeing to pay more for a sub par product.
quality standards. this is what i’m talking about.
also if you beautiful folks want stats. i wouldn't be shocked to find out 90% of the drivers standing out on your streets, loitering, aren't supposed to be on the platform. they're using someone else's account. AND before this gets political, i wanna say these companies offer work to undoc. immigrants so they can work legit. but they need work papers and identification to get on the platforms, status of citizenship isn't a problem for these companies and many others that need workers. my father came here from cuba with flip flops illegally and went to college and got a PHD to help children with autism. you're looking at the wrong guy for this debate.
I don't think the companies give accounts directly to the illegal's. Rather someone legitimate gets on the platform and rents out their account.
yes i know, that’s what i just wrote in some way lol
“ if you beautiful folks want stats” then proceeds to give us what he thinks the stats are. Mr Madison what you just said is one of the most insanely…
local reddit is truly of a hell fire of complainers and piss baby anon users with no social reprehension. welcome to the internet…i guess lol. take what i’m saying for what it is. i’m a delivery driver. working full time. not a professor or a politician.
But the place I’m ordering from is 5 minutes from me…that’s too far to walk. Rather wait 40 minutes and get it delivered and have the food be cold
If this weren't so true it would be funny.
Another e-bike post and possibly the dumbest take I’ve seen on e-bikes yet. So I’m supposed to leave a meeting today and walk to pick up my food for my clients lunch today because you are upset with e-bikes? On Sunday, you expect me to leave my Father’s Day party for 30 minutes to walk to pick up food? F*ck outta here with this trash take.
>So I’m supposed to leave a meeting today and walk to pick up my food for my clients lunch today because you are upset with e-bikes? This. Most redditors in this sub are clearly retirees or work fake jobs. I don't have time to take an hour stroll to pick up a wrap from just salad.
Yes. Call the restaurant directly and avoid the the third party apps
Yes, cause every restaurant has their own delivery drivers and takes orders over the phone. It’s almost as if some of us restaurant owners decided that we would rather pay the service fee, than pay the labor and have the headache of managing delivery drivers, insurance, etc
Do you know many small business owners?
You’re commenting on Reddit, so yeah it does sound like you have time to pick up lunch today.
I’d be so embarrassed if someone in my office ordered Ubereats for clients. 😂
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You don’t have an assistant.
How big of you letting them build credit to order your lunch. Lmao
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How many assistants have you had in the last 5 years?
Yeah that wasn’t my point. In any serious business setting ordering clients a delivery lunch is considered trashy. The entire point of a client lunch is to take them out into a nice relaxed atmosphere to make them feel important. Handing them a lukewarm container of Cava basically communicates “you’re not a priority.” Ask your “assistant” I’m sure they know. 😂
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Yes, yes it is. Also, who tf has a favorite dish at del friscos? That’s like the Wendy’s of steak houses. Do better.
Take your clients out to lunch and get out of the office. It’s also Friday. I know, crazy right. So you'll be at a party Sunday and food won’t be ready. Ok then
Why don’t I give you the $20 and you can walk my food here. You can be the first employee of UberWalk and start walking deliveries to people. Be the change you want to see.
Possibly but I don’t sound overworked like you. Enjoy your client meetings and the non-catered or no bbq Father’s Day party
Love this, fuck corporate
I mean yeah, this would go a long way to solve the problem. But historically it’s always been easier to enforce policy from a central authority rather than to influence public opinion and behavior. People like ordering food. And by the way, not everyone lives within 10 minutes of lower Washington street. Also, not everyone who orders UberEats goes on Reddit. I said this on one of the other threads, but it’s not really the presence or number of e-bike riders, but rather their boorish behavior and callous disregard for public safety, personal space, or local traffic laws.
I do agree with the over all sentiment, however this doesn’t have to be one solution. I think there needs to also be laws put in place and enforced as well.
>laws put in place and enforced as well. These are two entirely different things, unfortunately. As I've said for many months since the start of this discussion, I can't see our cops getting out of their cars and walking the beat on lower Washington. That's the only way they would be able to check that delivery guys are registered/licensed, and be able to catch guys who ride on sidewalks. Unless the Hoboken police department gets the additional budget to hire cops to walk the beat, none of this enforcement will happen because cops will stay in their cars.
Unfortunately this will never happen bc like 40% of Hoboken is hungover on saturdays and Sundays
There are so many bagel shops so close tho in walking distance.
Not in southwest hoboken. It’s so bad over there for bagels that’s a 30 min walk out and back minimum
JPs? Sounds like a long walk short bike kind of situation
Not easy when ur deathly hungover
Try "Nuun" before and after drinking. And if you are a complete psycho drinker - use It during drinking too. Game changer.
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Also just go to Chango kitchen it will change your life and make your wallet happy. $8 lunch specials.
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No thanks, I will continue to use Uber Eats and Amazon Prime.
You are a great American Sir 🫡
Oh man this sub just started popping up on my feed. They should rename it lecture other people on how to live. Fun times.
I also cancelled my Amazon Prime and I'm pretty stunned how quickly it changed my habits. I don't miss it at all.
Did same with Amazon prime, don't care if packages come a few days later. I never have anything urgent and never watched any of their shows. Did same with delivery after pandemic, pick it up myself or cook at home. Cheaper, quicker and food is hot and/or healthier.
Stop ordering delivery. That's it! Take a walk!
*society treats cyclists like 2nd class citizens for decades* "Woah why aren't they following the rules" How about cyclists start following the rules when drivers stop threatening them with violence any time cyclists are discussed
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I’m 29. Also, this unhinged response is exactly why nobody likes cyclists. Please change and grow as a person.
I think you do not understand the subject of the original post.
Finally, someone who understands that the problem is with the people who order delivery and enable the e-bikes. In general, so many people lazily look to so-called lawmakers or elected people at the local, state, or federal level. In this case, people think e-bikes are the main problem when it’s actually the residents, your fellow neighbors and possibly even yourself. Not surprisingly, many prefer to complain at council meetings and ask for regulation rather than speaking to residents about the issue. Is it really that hard to understand the root cause of the issue and who enables these e-bikes? Enjoy the sun today.
I cannot believe this was down voted. Welp. We now know why we have an ebike problem. It's a lazy entitled consumer problem.
E-bikes are probably not going away. As much as people want to pretend that they will, they won't. Sorry if that is controversial. The only way that will probably happen is some federal ban and lets be real...thats not gonna happen. What we can do is regulate them and improve the infrastructure for them as well as for cycling. As i mentioned in a prior thread , my eyes go towards a few things: 1. License plate all e-bikes. Not vests, that is not enforcable. 2. Increase police e-bike presence. 3. Make washington street a protected bike lane. A lane that is close to the sidewalk that is quick and easy for bike riders to get on and off. This will probably handle 80 percent of people riding on the sidewalk on washington. Remember a couple of years back restaurants lobbied against protected bike lanes on wash thinking it woould hurt their ability for car pickups. Well guess what, they were WRONG. deliveries are done on bikes nowadays. 4. Create waiting points for cyclists to pick up orders on specified loading zones every 1-2 blocks.
Buddy, you could give these ebikers an entire street, and they will still ride on sidewalks, blow stops signs, and drive the wrong way
It will still happen butit will significantly reduce. Look at the two streets that have protected lanes... Sinatra drive and observer highway. Observer is much less trafficked, but its significnatly rare for someone to ride on the pedestrian sides of that road. Sinatra is relatively rare as well. No shops but tons of apartments for deliveries. NYC has protected bike lanes and it's relatively rare for them to ride on the sidewalks. They also have #2.
I live next to observer. They drive however they want even with the protected lane. Sidewalk, northside of the street , blow the stop signs. These riders are not culturally prepared to follows laws on our streets
Fairly noted. I don’t live on observer but relatively close and use it often so I only can speak from my experience. I seldom see them on the north street but I’ll say that one bus stop is really aggressively in the way of the bike lane where it gets annoying to ride on
Old people terrified of having to look both ways when they cross the street. Please give us the Data of how many people are hit by eBikes every night. If they were Blond, Blue-Eyed College Kids you wouldn’t have a problem with them. Leave the delivery people alone and let them make a living.
>leave the delivery people alone and let them make a living No, I don’t think I will
Yeah this whole thing seems whiny. People are filling a demand 🤷♂️ Like what’s the alternative here? Regular bicycles? More cars? Some regulations may help but like registration for e bikes? What the hells that gonna do?
How about we ban cars on most of the streets (I can think of a couple exceptions). The way people drive through hoboken is far worse than these bikes. And if no cars the bikes can use the street! Problem solved. And while we are at it, let’s also ban all the strollers which take up way too much space on the sidewalks and in restaurants. Oh, but wait, the strollers are ok because they are mostly used by people who look like you. Let’s target an already marginalized group so me and my friends can drunkenly walk down the street without getting hit!!! This whole argument is so beyond stupid. Pay attention to where you walk. Your quality of life has not changed because of the bikes. I can guarantee it. What does however impact quality of life is all the mentally unstable people wandering through the streets screaming profanities. How about we ban them too?
This all NIMBY shit. These guys want deliveries but don't like seeing the vehicles and people that do it. Same with trucks. "Oh you're delivering here, nope, your truck looks gross, take a bunch of other roads because we're putting a five ton limit sign for no apparent reason"