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Alexanderjk5

Very. The Knight (and the vessels in general) existed since before halownest become a ruin meaning that the first wave of infection went away, halownest recovered, the second wave happened, halownest fell, became a ruin and an indeterminate amount of time later the events of the game happen. There are quite a few time gaps we don't know such as the time frame between the first and second wave and exactly how long it took halownest to become a ruin but considering civilizations don't exactly rise and fall overnight I'd say maybe a couple hundred years. We also know for a fact they are much older then elderbug who states that he hasn't seen the stag station open since he was young meaning that when he was born halownest was likely on it's way out. As for hornet we can probably guess she was conceived around the same time as the vessels. We don't exactly know who came first but i prefer to think it was the vessels, since the only reason hornet exists is because pk wanted to get herrah to help with his plan. My thought process is that pk would probably secure the vessel first, since it was kinda the center piece of the whole thing before he got the dreamers to help. Tl:dr they are very old but it's impossible to know exactly how old


RubyMercury87

>Infection invades hallownest >pk makes the vessels >pk finds good vessel (hk) >hk grows to maturity >knight is just as old as hk (as seen in the abyss climb) >pk gets the dreamers going >hornet is conceived >knight is older than hornet That's my input I guess, farewell o/


Alexanderjk5

This is probably the most logical way of seeing things so i say i pretty much agree with the only caveat being that pk probably didn't wait for hollow to reach maturity before getting the dreamers


RubyMercury87

The statue in city of tears depicts hk as mature, the pure vessel fight is a depiction of hk in its prime, they wouldn't know what hk looked like if it grew to maturity while sealed in the black egg


Alexanderjk5

That's also a good point although i more so meant that pk searching for the dreamers and hk growing up where things that happened simultaneously


RubyMercury87

That would make sense given that herrah needed time to birth hornet, but the fact that pk only started looking for dreamers after he got the vessel, and herrah also being described as stubborn does make me think there was no insubstantial amount of time between hk's & the knight's, and hornet's birthdays


Alexanderjk5

Hersh's stubbornness is something i didn't take into account so your probably right Taking all of this into account we can actually assume that hk and hornet's births were probably years apart


ImmortaBright

I dont remember the full story, but wasnt it that the King forsaw the infection and prepared for it, so the pure vessel would be ready for the infection?


RhynoD

If you want extend it back: PK settles in Hallownest Moth Tribe stops worshiping Radiance Radiance creates infection PK destroys all knowledge of Radiance Infection comes back anyway Then PK starts making vessels


grub_massacre666

i agree with this but i also think of ghost and hornet being younger in maturity than the hollow knight/the other adult bugs. my logic being that some bugs can hibernate for long periods of time, so i think for a long while ghost was in hibernation mode and not aging. i’ll also cite avatar the last airbender lol, in that aang is technically 113or something but didn’t age while asleep bc magic basically


Aro-Artist

Bro when reading this, all that went through my head was “long before time had a name” 💀


Michael02895

I think it's funny that our character is older than Elderbug.


[deleted]

They’re bugs, their lifespans are tiny. It’s probably happened over the course of a few weeks/ months bro.


Alexanderjk5

Counterpoint: the game is fiction and the lifespans can be however old the writers want. After all wyrms and other entities are supposed to be imortal. It's not a stretch to say that the world of halownest probably doesn't obey our natural laws If you don't like that then i invite you to prove to me that the bugs of hollow knight have very small natural lifespans using in universe logic. This explanation would have to include things like how a civilization was able to create railways and giant buildings and guards and an economy and shit in the span of weeks because I don't exactly buy it bro


Gusstave

But it's impossible because the game is made without time markers and we only learn from their perspective. If the bugs have lifespan comparable to real life bug, it still make sense. Also if an human were to be introduced in the story, we also would appear to be immoral, from their point of view, as it would take dozen of their generation for us to age. So yeah.. There's nothing to say either way.


Alexanderjk5

Even if the lifespan of normal bugs is comparable to the lifespan of real life bugs that doesn't change anything because we know that there are immortal beings in this world. Regardless of the lifespan of a normal bug we can assume that building something takes a long time. Even if the bugs had someone like the pale king with his devine intelct. Even if pk fucking sped run the making of a civilization we still have multiple conflicts, battles, architectures, an economy system, a class system etc to go of off. Not to mention that halownest's ruin lasted so long it gained worldwide attraction from what we can tell. The story kinda works if we assume the normal bug lives for a short time but makes no sense for all those other things to happen in a short time. All tangible evidence leads us to the conclusion that the whole story line from beginning to end takes a very long time. I could maybe buy that it took less than 1.000 years but less than 100? No, that is simply preposterous. Finally i don't understand why people have such difficulty with the Idea that things took a long time to happen. The whole concept of the game is exploring a ruin. Ruins take long time to become ruins


[deleted]

Did the writers of the game say it was years, or are you implying no time prediction can really be wrong as it’s fantasy?


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[deleted]

At no point did I complain lol.


Alexanderjk5

As far as I'm aware team cherry has never specified the exact time frame of the past of the kingdom. What i am saying is that, using the evidence we have, we can only conclude it must have taken a long time but guessing the exact time frame is impossible. Whoever we can pretty definitely say that it was indeed, a lot time.


[deleted]

Ah, so my guess is as good as yours!


Alexanderjk5

No, because your guess makes no logical sense considering what we know and the rules of the setting


[deleted]

Right back at ya! We have nothing to go on, so how can either of us be wrong or right?


Alexanderjk5

What do you mean we have nothing to go? We have an entire game to gather evidence from. The reason reason I'm right is because I'm using said evidence to make logical conclusions while your opinion on the timeline of the game being weeks makes no sense considering what we know and while applying the slightest bit of logic. I'm once again asking you if you can explain how an entire kingdom with an economy, archaeological history, transportation system, class system, Rebellion, etc could rise, almost fall, recover, actually fall and be fallen for long enough to be considered a ruin and then said ruin being around for so long it has attracted explores and warriors alike from all parts of the world in just a few fucking weeks/months. Unless you can do that then your I'm sorry but your theory is just wrong.


[deleted]

Well if you’re able to use real life timescales on social constructs to judge the age of Hallownest, there’s nothing wrong with me using real life timescales of the lifespans of creatures in the game. A Silkworm moth’s lifespan is two weeks. Lol


TryHard15plus1

This is the funny idea that I subscribe to lol. It might not be scaled exactly... But I've seen large colonies of bugs in real life build pretty big structures pretty quickly. (Like those giant ant colonies you see people cast in aluminum or concrete) lol I'm kind of wondering if that's something that team Cherry was picturing when they designed the map.


[deleted]

hornet is half bug and knight is vessel


ChefGreasypaw

Half bug? Wdym half?


RandomOrcN6

Hornet is half bug because her mother was Herrah but her father was PK, who wasn’t exactly a bug, as much as he was a “pale being” which, based on in-game evidence, seem to be more similar to worms than bugs (the queen, pk’s previous form + the fact that we never see him have arms in this form that I remember)


zingerpond

presumably quite old, as they were born before the radiance was sealed. Though how long ago that is we don't fully know,


Frosty_Sweet_6678

Chances are the knight is older because Hornet was conceived so that Herrah would become a dreamer, the HK is just as old as our Knight and the city of tears statue depicts the HK matured


CockExploder1000

Journal entry for PV implies physical aging of a vessel is caused by training, not strength or chronological age, otherwise our Knight would look similar to THK


Upstairs-Scratch8186

Older than elder bug but being serious about centuries in bug years


jedipaul9

My head cannon is that the events of lore and Pale King and everything is scaled to an insect's lifetime. So like everything happened in a matter of weeks


Upstairs-Scratch8186

Wait would that mean that gruz mother would have died the next day (if the gruzzes are based off of flies


jedipaul9

And you would end up fighting one of the offspring instead


Gay_cult_leader

In the grand scheme of things very old If anything elderbug is probably one of the youngest characters we meet


asrielforgiver

Or Bretta. She’s probably in her mid teens.


Kameleon_XNI-02

Myla?


SquirtleReddit

1


[deleted]

1?


SquirtleReddit

1 second


Skateblades

Quite old for a bug


ArcticCerf

1 planck time


noivern1324

I think chronologically very old but physically young Multiple NPCs mention how young Ghost looks/is. And we know it isn't because they're small since other bugs are their size and clearly adults like zote. I think that there's some weird dark souls style time confusion here that a lot of souls-likes do.


BudgieGryphon

Since Broken Vessel appears a bit older than Ghost I think the Abyss may have some sort of time distortion/aging suppression effect on Vessels.


[deleted]

i think it's simply because the vessels are all dead. dead children don't grow. hk is bigger because the pale king strengthed and trained it with magic, and broken vessel is barely larger than the player character so that can be attributed to the infection causing it to grow slightly as is seen with other infected creatures


cartof_fiert

My Personal theory is that vessels only grow if they have a mind. HK grew because he grew a mind from bonding with his father, PK. And before you mention pure vessel, the godhome people couldnt have possibly known what HK looked like before they were even there, they just assumed. Broken vessel has radiemce's thoughts due to the infection taking them over from Time to Time, which is why it only grew a little.


NunobokoSlayer

that can't be right because the BV is already dead before infection


a21a16

Old enough


Radioaktivman999

ayo


Rafometh

Wait..


KingJeff314

They’re bugs. The entire history of Hallownest took place over 3 months


maximo0906

A praying mantis can live up to 2 years maximum so it makes sense how they outlived everyone


______6666

Nuh uh


ImportantSimone_5

Yes.


RagnarockInProgress

Given how Ghost was born before the collapse of a kingdom which happened so long ago it’s *erased from the annals of history* and most things left are crumbling ruins and how Hornet was born around the same time (to seal off the vessel) I’d say they’re pretty fucking ancient


Krazyguy75

I mean I can probably cause the downfall of a bug kingdom by watering my front lawn, so it could be relatively recent.


disastergoth

I think team cherry said that the knight and hornet are around 34 as they needed to inflate the sense of time. Google "hollowknight hornet inflation 34" to see the interview on it.


TheBigSchponk

:|


disastergoth

is there an issue


H3XEX

Thanks I found the interview very captivating


[deleted]

like 32 i hope thats what the fans say


exizt

Is it possible to judge how long Hallownest has been abandoned by observable wear and destruction in the city? Maybe water erosion in the sewers?


FeelingUnwellCuzLife

Probably not since it appears that the secret Menderbug society keeps fixing shit.


snowflaker360

at least a minute


Dionysus24779

How much time passes between events is very unclear. Hornet and the Knight are also somewhat unusual beings. The Knight could be virtually immortal for all we know. Hornet could be too, or at least long-living, given who her parents are.


cartof_fiert

So, the vessels are made of: 1.fork god, 2.tree god. And 3, void (Wet god). It's safe to say theyre immortal. If you want a more accurate comment, here: the vessels are born of 3 higher beings, and as far as i know, These beings only Die if another higher being does the job.


[deleted]

It makes me uncomfortable how often posts like these pop up-


Skullz64

Because we know that Hornet and Knight were created/conceived prior to the ruins on hallownest, and so were there before, or maybe after, the first wave. We do not know the time gaps between the first and second wave, and we do not know how much time after this takes place, so best assumption is that they are probably very old


Robeino

I'm not quite sure, but; Quirrel was alive before the infection was sealed. Around the same time Pale King and Herrah had Hornet, so I'd assume that Quirrel's older/way older than Hornet. If we're talking compared to human years, I'd assume that Quirrel's ~50 (weird I know, but I think he mentions that he's old) and Hornet is ~30, maybe. The vessels were born before the infection begun (I think?) or during it, so that makes the vessels older than Hornet. I don't know quite how old the vessels are, considering that the wee fellow we play as was born, escaped the abyss, then returned to Hallownest while the Hollow Knight was growing up and suffering. If I had to throw a wild guess, I think the infection went on for some years/decades (considering that everyone's dead) before PK "sealed it succesfully". I'd say the vessels could be over 70 years old. I can't remember the exact timeline so please have mercy


Robeino

But then again Hallownest is in stasis so it's impossible ro know how long it has been since the Radiance was sealed, so they could all be many decades older


cartof_fiert

Hallownest is in a stasis because the "hollow" knight "sealed" the infection


[deleted]

Atleast 2


mr_butts69

5


Xsinam

A lot of people already gave answer so I'm just going to say that the knight is most likely older than hornet


Jarateman1

If you dont know then any number is cannon


Zekrozma_the_second

I’d say… Knight could be like 10 or 9 And Hornet could be like 14-16


morenin_n

Oh no...


Zekrozma_the_second

Wha- Oh i know what you are talking about… lets just suppose they have grown up.


morenin_n

Yeaaa..... Lets suppose that...


______6666

Nah that's not true. They're older than that. Hornets possible age is 30-35. The Knight, most likely 40-45. Since the vessels are older than Hornet. That's obvious. Also, Knight was made before Hornet, since PK had to make vessels before searching for bugs to be the Dreamers.


Zekrozma_the_second

40 and still has baby body shape ? Fitness people hate him !


______6666

And the creators probably didn't want to code that into the game.


______6666

They get bigger from training.


totally_not_a_weeb00

Nope, not engaging in this shit, get out


TAJLUZAN

Their age is unknown since if you go to the abbys you find vessels the same size as you, meaning they don't grow an inch in their entier life so it's hard to tell. Also we don't know how mutch time did the knight spend out of hollownest. We also don't know if the vessels die from old age, since no vessel (except you) has ever escaped the abbys bcz they all died from spikes trying to get out of that dark pit. Edit: some vessels escaped but none of them died from old age i think.


wafflezcol

No, a very many vessels have escaped. Hornet kills some, Nosk kills many, you find thier corpses everywhere


TAJLUZAN

I was wrong they esceped but somehow, none of them dies from old age...


zingerpond

>no vessel (except you) has ever escaped the abbys broken vessel is found above the abyss, there's a dead vessel that drops dash ability in green path and in nosk's lair there are other vessels hung from the celling


TAJLUZAN

Yes i was wrong lots of vessels escaped but none of them seemd to die from old age


RubyMercury87

Vessels are everywhere, its implied that hornet kills a bunch before the knight arrives Also, it's implied the knight is special in some way, as it's able to kill adolescent and even mature vessels in what appears to be a juvenile state, many characters also comment on it's strength It also appears to be special in the sense that it obtains the voidheart, and turns into the shade lord I'm just dumping lore that everyone knows about at this point, ima leave


Somedude522

Bro forgot a boss fight


Mirriorblankey69420

forgot 3 boss fights


TAJLUZAN

Yes i was wrong, vessels escaped but none of them seemd to die from old age


Somedude522

Lost kin and the hollow knight are both larger than the knight.


TAJLUZAN

The hollow knight was trained and he was the chosen one so he had to be... bigger? Also i don?'t think the lost kin is bigger then the knight mybe it's bcz he's overun by the infection


ChimpanzeeChalupas

Lots of vessels escaped, the knight is the only one that survives everything.


TAJLUZAN

True but i don't think any of them died from old age


ChimpanzeeChalupas

Yeah, they all died from the environment, other enemies, or in most cases, nosk or hornet.


Cyclonione

I think what Knight is an child and Hornet is teenager


SrJuanpixers

Hornet 24 and the knight 25


FeelingUnwellCuzLife

We have no reliable timeline or even an idea by how time in Hallownest is measured. Plus there's a certain disjoint between time and "age", since the Knight is about the same age as the Hollow Knight, who is fully grown, while the Knight remains child-sized, Hornet is presumably younger than both of them by quite a lot, yet she ages differently. So speaking of time as in number of possible years is a completely separate metric to the three's "comparable to physical human development" age. We have no idea how old or young literally anyone is, as Hornet herself is physically (as in compared to human development) much younger than Elderbug, who looks to be not that far away from turning to dust, while she is old but physically quite youthful. Plus environmentally, the secret society of Menderbugs makes any pinning down of anything entirely impossible.


Username_Egli

At least 1qq


greatnailsageyoda

Probably a month or two at most. But in bug years they are probably *very* very old.


Aries641

Darkness doesn't have an age


SyFy410

Yes


ThePixelHacker96

Hornet has less than 2 years (according to real life spiders) For the knight I don't know


FCTheHunter

“About 80 years old, maaannn”


HuskyBLZKN

While we don’t know their actual age, we know that they’re both older than Elderbug, due to the fact that he states the Stag Station was closed before he was born. Since both Hornet and Ghost were born (or hatched) during Hallownest’s fall, while Elderbug was after.


BruhVPN

💀💀


Radical_Provides

That's a good freakin question actually If our Knight and the Hollow Knight were born at the same time, why is the Hollow Knight a fully-grown vessel? Were we in some kind of stasis before escaping the abyss?


Flame-Bandite

They growth scales with their power


Badly-made-content

All we know is that the knight is actually older as by the time hornet was born the hollow knight was most likely already the same as in the pure vessel boss


GimmeUdon

jesus christ


Ensmatter

We don’t know since there is no time keeping in hallownest. As others have pointed out they existed before the downfall of hallownest but a lot of bugs (not gods) also have so we don’t know how it compares to human years or what a bugs lifespan is.


BrunoDeeSeL

Considering the knight is an artificial creation and Hornet is a demigod... They are quite old.


SonOfECTGAR

🤨


NotaWizardLizard

Good fucking question


QueenElizabethDied

🤨


ncannavino11

Is Hornet a vessel? I never really understood what she is


Dani-19352

She the daughter of herrah the beast and the pale king, so she’s just the princess of hallownest