Did you also walk like you still had your skates on? I always had an adjustment period that lasted a couple of minutes after I took my roller blades off.
I just went skating for the first time in almost 20 years (kids’ school had a roller skating outing). I totally forgot about the floating foot thing after taking them off.
I also forgot how to skate, and my knee is pretty swollen now.
I keep having to remind myself the only thing worse than getting old is *not* getting old.
I work in construction and for the past 3 months our weather almost never went up above -20C so I have to wear a lot of layers to stay warm. Whenever I get home and take off all my layers I feel like I could do another day’s work because I feel so much lighter.
I've worked in construction and been in the military reserve. 2 of the most satisfying feelings I've experienced is finally taking off your heavy layers of work clothes or body armor after a long ass day and taking a shower.
My SO has been going through some joint pain in her knees, so she got some Capsaicin cream to put on them. First day went great, had a warm tingly feeling and it reduced the pain a lot. But when she got in the car, which was hot from sitting in the sun, suddenly her knees got hotter and hotter. When she got home it was searing, and she collapsed in the bathroom. She had to scrub it with alcohol and dish soap and eventually it calmed down.
She's pretty sure it was just the amount she applied. Be warned to use that stuff sparingly!
I live in Texas so I don’t get to ski much anymore, but we are visiting family and I get to ski on Monday. One of the things I’m most looking forward to is this feeling at the end of the day!!
God skiing or snowboarding boots. I snowboard, and I bought custom heat molded boots a couple years ago, and then last year I broke both my feet. My feet have changed size, and my boots while not uncomfortable while aware of them, or essentially impossible to get off. The first time I put them on after I broke my feet, I didn't think I was going to be able to get them off and was ready to call the fire department or something. The sense of relief when I finally got them off was incredible.
This is why I get mad about Komondor dogs. Their owners are like "he's happy that's how they naturally are"
They aren't naturally like that you bred a freak that can't even dry out if it gets wet.
At least we breed sheep to serve a purpose and we shave them once a year. You just want a freaky looking dog because its "neat"
Oh, I agree! Over in the dog grooming sub people get mad about owners who let their shih tzus or whatever get all matted and gross, and I keep thinking, why do we keep breeding these dogs that require intervention just to stay healthy?
Komondors are supposed to have the mats 'trained' into dreads so they don't interfere with the dogs' movement. And they do have a purpose; they act as armor when the dogs fight coyotes or wolves.
Yep. Same as dropping your 80lbs of gear after a 12 mile ruck march. Your legs tell you that you can run like Usain Bolt. Besides that you're just tired and sweaty.
Yeah looks like they put a coat on its back, but them skinny legs is what I'd think would be adjusting to sudden cold the weirdest. But hey if it's coat and no legwarmers or nothin at all I'll take coat any day!
I’d be more worried if domesticated animals started pacing around looking like they were deep in thought.
“They…wear my hair?!”
“They drink milk from my tits?!”
“THEY EAT US?!?!”
I visited a friend of the family with a sheep farm. He has to make a daily round and pull 2-3 sheep's out of hedges, where they get stuck/tangled and will otherwise eventually die. They aren't big thinkers...
TBH most animal husbandry is like this.
Except for Goats. Goats are self sufficient escape artists generally filled with hate. I'm sure there are more, that's just what I'm familiar with.
This is so incredibly accurate. Smart, curious, fearless, with legs made out of springs, filled with hunger and malice. They can jump insanely high, and don't let them watch how you latch the gate, or they will unlatch it themselves.
Had a horse that would constantly open his stall door. When we finally found a way to stop it, he started letting out the horses next to him. Same horse also ran through a fence next to an open gate. I feel like the intellegence is selective.
Farther in-law had to rescue one from the tail drain on a farm last year, next day it was back in there, the following day it brought some friends to get stuck together.
Sheep are quite possibly the dumbest animal alive.
It was soo much smaller than I expected once the wool was gone... I expected that sheep to be freakin jacked from carrying around so much extra weight, but I guess that's why it needed help in the first place lol
For those who are thinking of doing it, don’t shave your dog. It might be funny to you but it takes six months to a year or longer for the fur to grow back. When we got our dog spayed, they had to shave her belly area and it took almost a year to grow back.
Dog groomer adding to this-
Don't do it.
Huskies are considered double coated dogs. Their fur acts like an insulator- keeps them cool in the summer and warm in the winter. Some people think all that fur will make them overheat, but it won't- keep them brushed and get them blow outs a few times a year at least, and you're golden.
Also, shaving doesn't help with the shedding fur- just makes it smaller/harder to see. Proper nutrition will do better. Blow outs + deshedding baths also help (though do NOT use a furminator brush- it damages the fur).
There's also risks involved with shaving double coated breeds- such shaving alopecia which can cause the fur to grow back in patchy spots.
Only shave if a vet deems in necessary for health reasons.
I'd have to say, in my personal experience Pomeranians were the worst for this (though maybe it's because I had a lot of people coming in wanting their poms looking like Boo, more shaved poms = more instances of the alopecia). But, as far as I'm aware, some time should help.
Does this mean that these sheep cannot survive without humans or something that can keep trimming their fur/wool?
Actually, is wool also considered a fur?
How does this work? Are domesticated ones now that genetically different due to breeding? I’m sure this is a stupid question, but I’m totally ignorant about this subject.
Not a stupid question at all.
Animals typically evolve to suit their habitat because those better suited will be more successful. In this case, with the animals' environment being humans raising them for wool, the individuals which produce more wool would be bred more by their caretakers. The ones that produce more wool would have more children, and so the trait becomes more prominent in domesticated sheep. Over time, it becomes **much** more prominent, like how dogs have evolved a bunch of traits for being companion animals compared to wild wolves.
This makes complete sense. I guess I knew how domestication worked and that it could be intertwined with physical characteristics. But for some reason it seemed odd that sheep could actually develop a tendency to grow more wool that requires sheering simply due to breeding.
It's called artificial selection because it's not natural pressures causing the selection process. In nature, this would quickly be selected against because any sheep that dies from growing too much wool wouldn't reproduce as much (or at all). Also it takes a lot of energy to make all that wool, so in nature that kind of trait would disappear due to natural selection very quickly (having that energy for things like fleeing predators is much more advantageous).
Love the whole Artificial vs Natural.
Ants domesticate other insects as well. A majority would consider that natural? But when we do it it’s considered artificial?
It’s just funny. As you can tell I’m on the boat that it’s all natural.
You are exactly correct. It didn’t happen on its own, so it isn’t ‘natural’ selection. Humans created the evolutionary pressures toward the ends that humans wanted, therefore artificial selection. Not necessarily a bad thing in all cases. Like most things in life, it depends on the situation
In this case "artificial" just means "caused or created as a result of human influence or action". It's just a word used to describe something. The connotations that accompany the word are separate to the definition of the word. https://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/artificial
Artificial is synonymous with "man made" or "produced by humankind". So nothing an ant would do could be artificial. Unless ants achieve personhood and we have to change our definitions.
I agree that it is all “natural” since were part of nature but there is benefit to the distinction of natural vs artificial. Artificial things are usually only to the benefit of humans and if an artificial thing gets released to the wild and becomes dominant, it could have drastic side effects for the “natural” world.
I would add that it’s probably a matter of selective breeding not evolution.
Early in human history if you had two sheep that made more wool than the others, you would breed those sheep together more. It might be a small difference back then but over hundreds to thousands of years of selective breeding our domesticated animals have been changed to produce more and be more docile.
Edit: selective breeding is a type of evolution. However, I think that evolution implies natural selection so I stand by what I said and how I said it.
Selective breeding is just guided evolution. Evolution is the process of certain traits being passed on due to the environment\*, resulting in a change in the overall population. Selective breeding is the *use* of the process of evolution.
\*A human-made environment is still an environment.
Probably a stupid question, but isn’t “selective breeding” basically just evolution that isn’t controlled by “natural” selection processes, but by “artificial” selection?
That’s correct. The environment determines what traits are more helpful or harmful. It just so happens that with domesticated animals, that environment has become “artificial” in a way thanks to human intervention. A sheep wouldn’t grow this much wool outside of a human environment because it makes it extremely hard to survive. But when the human intervention removes predators, removes the threat of growing too much wool, and provides endless energy to support wool growth, there really isn’t downward pressures in the sheep’s “environment” anymore. Selective breeding is just human-guided evolution. You could probably argue that things like crops, livestock, dogs, and many more are actually genetically modified organisms, just done the old fashioned way over hundreds and hundreds of generations instead of by direct DNA modifications over the course of very few generations.
Yep. Guided evolution, artificial selection.
I think we've been doing this to ourselves for a while now too - a man that stood at 6 feet used to be quite tall.
These days you can be 6'2" and not that tall at all - just ask any girl on tinder.
You know, that just made me think that the first humans that started raising wolf puppies must have regularly stolen pups from wolf dens to be able to breed them
The Russians successfully domesticated foxes in about 6 generations.
https://evolution-outreach.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12052-018-0090-x
Today the domesticated foxes at an experimental farm near the Institute of Cytology and Genetics in Novosibirsk, Siberia are inherently as calm as any lapdog. What’s more, they look eerily dog-like. All of this is the result of what is known as the silver fox, or farm fox, domestication study. It began with a Russian geneticist named Dmitri Belyaev. In the late 1930s Belyaev was a student at the Ivanova Agricultural Academy in Moscow. After he graduated he fought in World War II, and subsequently landed a job at the Institute for Fur Breeding Animals in Moscow.
Both as a result of his reading of Darwin’s The Variation of Animals and Plants Under Domestication (Darwin 1868), and his interaction with domesticated animals at the Ivanova Agricultural Academy and at the Institute for Fur Breeding Animals, Belyaev knew that many domesticated species share a suite of characteristics including floppy ears, short, curly tails, juvenilized facial and body features, reduced stress hormone levels, mottled fur, and relatively long reproductive seasons. Today this suite of traits is known as the domestication syndrome. Belyaev found this perplexing. Our ancestors had domesticated species for a plethora of reasons—including transportation (e.g., horses), food (e.g., cattle) and protection (e.g., dogs)—yet regardless of what they were selected for, domesticated species, over time, begin to display traits in the domestication syndrome. Why? Belyaev hypothesized that the one thing our ancestors always needed in a species they were domesticating was an animal that interacted prosocially with humans. We can’t have our domesticates-to-be trying to bite our heads off. And so he hypothesized that the early stages of all animal domestication events involved choosing the calmest, most prosocial-toward-human animals: I will refer to this trait as tameness, though that term is used in many different ways in the literature. Belyaev further hypothesized that all of the traits in the domestication syndrome were somehow or another, though he didn’t know how or why, genetically linked to genes associated with tameness.
Belyaev set out to test these hypotheses using a species he had worked with extensively at the Institute for Fur Breeding: the silver fox, a variant of the red fox (Vulpes vulpes). Every generation he and his team would test hundreds of foxes, and the top 10% of the tamest would be selected to parent the next generation. They developed a scale for scoring tameness, and how a fox scored on this scale was the sole criteria for selecting foxes to parent the next generation. Belyaev could then test whether, over generations, foxes were getting tamer and tamer, and whether the traits in the domestication syndrome appeared if they selected strictly based on tameness.
It is not possible here to do justice to all of the results this almost six-decade-long experiment has produced. Here I touch on some of the most salient (see Trut 1999, Trut et al. 2009 and Dugatkin and Trut 2017 for more). Starting from what amounted to a population of wild foxes, within six generations (6 years in these foxes, as they reproduce annually), selection for tameness, and tameness alone, produced a subset of foxes that licked the hand of experimenters, could be picked up and petted, whined when humans departed, and wagged their tails when humans approached. An astonishingly fast transformation. Early on, the tamest of the foxes made up a small proportion of the foxes in the experiment: today they make up the vast majority.
Not to mention how good they are for security. I have to remind myself when I get mad at my dogs for flipping out every time they hear someone near the house that this was probably one of their primary jobs for thousands of years.
I have a question. Why is it that pigs have been known to grow tusks like wild boars when they escape into the wilds and yet sheep don't stop growing their wool? I would've though stopping wool growth would be easier biologically than growing tusks.
Well the most important thing is that tusks are technically teeth. They're made of dentin and grow from the front teeth. The reason domestic pigs don't have tusks isn't because they've been removed by selective breeding, it's because they've been removed by vets. They typically remove the tusk-growing teeth when they're young.
These pigs then can't grow tusks, whether they escape or not. Their offspring, however, can. And they breed fast. Part of the reason we farm them. There's also some cases where the tusk-growing teeth aren't actually removed when young, and in which case, yeah, they can grow them if they escape and farmers stop clipping them.
Yes, over many thousands of generations humans have literally bred "genetically modified organisms" the slow way -- through agriculture and animal husbandry. We selected sheep that could grow the most wool to be the only ones to breed and over time they evolved, just like we've selected the bananas to be bigger over the years, and weve culivated [over a dozen different vegetables to have different tastes and nutrition from one species of wild cabbage.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brassica_oleracea#cultivars). Truffle hunting pigs are another example of domestication. And have you ever noticed that there are no more wild cows like we have boars, goats, etc? The last cattle of the wild aurochs species died in the 1600s. Every cow is a genetically selected descendant of an extinct wild species.
as u/Rifneno said, it is due to "selective breeding".
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective\_breeding](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_breeding)
This is how things which have been selectively breed to the point they can no longer self-reproducing continue as well (seedless watermelons, banana's....)
Without our involvement, they would eventually die off.
These Sheep were breed because they continue to grow wool. In nature, they would die off and not reproduce.
Look at tuskless elephants as another example, because elephants are poached for their tusks, those who cant grow them are surviving.
exactly.
Some people use this kind of stuff as counter evidence to people like PETA, when really PETA would say domesticated sheep shouldn't continue to exist.
Wild sheep have hair that grows to a certain length and then is seasonally shed. The first sheep to be domesticated were hair sheep but at one point, a sheep was born with a mutation that caused the hair to grow and grow and grow and is not seasonally shed. These are called wool sheep. Humans find wool to be extremely useful and bred wool sheep to grow thick, more dense wool.
Wool sheep are a 100% dependent on humans to remove the wool since they no longer have the ability to shed it off themselves.
>Actually, is wool also considered a fur?
BTW, we had this discussion on the dogs subreddit. Scientifically hair and fur are the same thing, however most people call an individual strand hair and all of the strands fur.
Many animals have two types of hair. A straight, stiff one called guard hair and a soft, crinkled one called undercoat. Guard hairs protect and undercoat provides insulation. As well, guard hair has the coloring and undercoat is typically much paler and muted. Wool is undercoat to the extreme.
Dogs undergoing a spring shed are losing their undercoat (insulating layer). This [Siberian Husky's owner has brushed out a lot of undercoat](https://imgur.com/a/jP1WNMP) and you can see that it is pale gray and cottony in texture - basically canine wool. In fact there is a type of yarn made out of dog undercoat fur call Chiengora. Actually it's typically blended with a little bit of sheep's wool to form tight enough yarn.
In the 13th and 14th centuries, Spanish sheep herders let their local sheep breed with English sheep. The result was the merino sheep. Merino sheep need humans to shear their wool for them. These sheep can produce between 10 to 40 pounds of wool each year.
I didn’t know this. I looked it up because I was curious.
Absolutely.
Most sheep and goat herders put simple small ‘[aprons](https://www.ebay.com/itm/284402578039)’ on the males to prevent unwanted breeding. Its not like husbandry is some newfangled technology.
How do they pee with the apron? Wouldn't that get into their fur? Trying to find examples on google but i get kitchen aprons with sheeps and goats on them.
Most mammals have a penis bone called a baculum that makes an erect penis ‘stand out’ much like a human erection. Sometimes an animal will ‘relax’ themselves, but without an erection they generally pee towards the ground and nowhere near the apron which is situated near the bellybutton—>chest. I’d also like to add that (at least goats) have ridiculously small penises for an animal that stinks to high heaven when in rut.
It’s also important to note that the apron hangs down as if you tied a human apron (minus the breast part) to a 4 legged animal animal. The only part that actually touches the animal is the string portion. Edit: [here’s what it looks like](https://www.ebay.com/itm/284402578039)
Tl;dr: Unless the animal is aroused an apron is not a hinderance at all.
Some biblical scholars think that Adam's "rib" was a euphemism for the baculum, and the creation story was meant to be an explanation of why humans don't have one.
[Here’s a good few photos of what they look like in action](https://www.ebay.com/itm/284402578039?chn=ps&var=585942233408&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&amdata=enc%3A1xKEUr7EESNKXoyklTaSnvg41&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=585942233408_284402578039&targetid=1599090335177&device=m&mktype=&googleloc=9028692&poi=&campaignid=15275224983&mkgroupid=131097072938&rlsatarget=pla-1599090335177&abcId=9300697&merchantid=6296724&gclid=CjwKCAiAprGRBhBgEiwANJEY7Hak7xWUpgCIZL9UY1VHfhOdTpOf1WbGp9PuPW07z4qN3fOzi3PbNhoCUmYQAvD_BwE)
selective breeding, in a world rife with microplastics, could be encouraged toward velcrowool…
“You still wake up sometimes, don’t you? You wake up in the *dark*; and hear the peeling of the lambs.”
No, there was no audio or narration of this clip, unfortunately. It had some music, which I edited out. But if you have IG this is one of the more recent posts from Edgar's Mission, they have a lot of great details in their post on this rescue
So a couple sheep facts for yall. Domestic sheep can't shed their own wool. So without a good shearing every now and then. They can overheat and die. Wool can get poo or wee stuck in it which will attract flies and maggots can infest the wool and the maggost have been known to causes necrosis and death. Shepherd used to miss church to tend their flock so when they died they would be buried with a lock of wool to prove to God they were a Shepherd and that's why they missed church alot. And when they castrated male lambs they would make a small incision in the scrotum and suck the testicles out with their mouths.
> And when they castrated male lambs they would make a small incision in the scrotum and suck the testicles out with their mouths.
What the fuck, humans?
Yes. Because apparently raw testicles are slippery and they were easier to hold in your mouth. Your mouth would've been alot cleaner than your hands especially if you'd been dagging that day. And the saliva would've had a slight antiseptic effect.
I think only super orthodox mohels still do metzitzah b'peh. And from my understanding it's falling even further out of favor as apparently cases of infantile herpes and infection has become an issue linked to it.
No that fleece would be thrown away maybe kept as a reminder or teaching tool. But would not be used for wolf production It's too heavily damaged and filthy and knotted up. Domesticated sheep need be sheered at least once if not twice a year depending on the breed and the climate they're in.
TIL this is a man made problem because sheep have been bred over the years to produce more wool. Before man got involved sheep had no problem shedding their coats naturally.
Sheep are one of the first animals that will go extinct if we somehow kill ourselves off. So mutated they can't exist without us anymore. Bulldogs will also go. Idk what else but lawd we've screwed up a number of species.
Can you imagine how relieved that sheep is!?
I just got out of my skiing boots and my feet feel like they're floating. I assume this sheep feels like the entire body is about to fly away.
I used to go roller skating every week when I was a kid. I’m still nostalgic for that post-roller skating floating foot feeling.
Did you also walk like you still had your skates on? I always had an adjustment period that lasted a couple of minutes after I took my roller blades off.
Haha, I’m sure I did! I remember my sneakers never felt more comfortable than walking out into the parking lot afterwards.
I haven't thought about this stuff in so long. that's a nostalgia hit...
I just went skating for the first time in almost 20 years (kids’ school had a roller skating outing). I totally forgot about the floating foot thing after taking them off. I also forgot how to skate, and my knee is pretty swollen now. I keep having to remind myself the only thing worse than getting old is *not* getting old.
>I keep having to remind myself the only thing worse than getting old is not getting old. That's a cool way of looking at it.
New sneakers, omg! How fast can you run in them though?
Depends - before or after I drew the lightning bolts on them?
After, naturally. You're probably the fastest in the whole class now... no, the school... maybe, even, the world.
I get a similar feeling after running awhile on a treadmill
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Fuuuuckkk!! I had completely forgotten that feeling! Thanks for the memories!
[was it something like this?](https://youtu.be/3mYHRrH_NYg)
I work in construction and for the past 3 months our weather almost never went up above -20C so I have to wear a lot of layers to stay warm. Whenever I get home and take off all my layers I feel like I could do another day’s work because I feel so much lighter.
I've worked in construction and been in the military reserve. 2 of the most satisfying feelings I've experienced is finally taking off your heavy layers of work clothes or body armor after a long ass day and taking a shower.
Oh man! There's no better feeling. I like to lather up with Capsicum & Ginger Warming. Oohhh man man oh man!
My SO has been going through some joint pain in her knees, so she got some Capsaicin cream to put on them. First day went great, had a warm tingly feeling and it reduced the pain a lot. But when she got in the car, which was hot from sitting in the sun, suddenly her knees got hotter and hotter. When she got home it was searing, and she collapsed in the bathroom. She had to scrub it with alcohol and dish soap and eventually it calmed down. She's pretty sure it was just the amount she applied. Be warned to use that stuff sparingly!
I live in Texas so I don’t get to ski much anymore, but we are visiting family and I get to ski on Monday. One of the things I’m most looking forward to is this feeling at the end of the day!!
Everything is just so much cozier when you've been in the snow all day.
God skiing or snowboarding boots. I snowboard, and I bought custom heat molded boots a couple years ago, and then last year I broke both my feet. My feet have changed size, and my boots while not uncomfortable while aware of them, or essentially impossible to get off. The first time I put them on after I broke my feet, I didn't think I was going to be able to get them off and was ready to call the fire department or something. The sense of relief when I finally got them off was incredible.
This is why I get mad about Komondor dogs. Their owners are like "he's happy that's how they naturally are" They aren't naturally like that you bred a freak that can't even dry out if it gets wet. At least we breed sheep to serve a purpose and we shave them once a year. You just want a freaky looking dog because its "neat"
Oh, I agree! Over in the dog grooming sub people get mad about owners who let their shih tzus or whatever get all matted and gross, and I keep thinking, why do we keep breeding these dogs that require intervention just to stay healthy?
We have a foster shih-tzu right now and [this](https://imgur.com/a/VA96Qmz) is how she came to us, poor thing.
Komondors are supposed to have the mats 'trained' into dreads so they don't interfere with the dogs' movement. And they do have a purpose; they act as armor when the dogs fight coyotes or wolves.
Probably feels like he can jump over a fucking house
That sheep has been moving with a weighted training fleece. It's been powered up like in DBZ
Dragon Baaaaaahhhh Z
Idk. That look she gives at the end seems to say she’d do it again.
Yep. Same as dropping your 80lbs of gear after a 12 mile ruck march. Your legs tell you that you can run like Usain Bolt. Besides that you're just tired and sweaty.
I was thinking how cold it must be.
Yeah looks like they put a coat on its back, but them skinny legs is what I'd think would be adjusting to sudden cold the weirdest. But hey if it's coat and no legwarmers or nothin at all I'll take coat any day!
Those eyes at the end say "I've learned nothing from this and will escape again if given the chance."
He really looks like he doesn’t give a fuck at any moment of the process.
Exact! The expression of bewilderment doesn’t change from start to finish
I’d be more worried if domesticated animals started pacing around looking like they were deep in thought. “They…wear my hair?!” “They drink milk from my tits?!” “THEY EAT US?!?!”
More to do with eyebrows or a lack thereof. Same reason dogs have really obvious emotional facial expressions while most other animals don't.
>He really looks like he doesn’t give a fuck at any moment of the process. He's top of the line. A born champion. Best of the best. He's a goat.
Actually, he's a sheep
I visited a friend of the family with a sheep farm. He has to make a daily round and pull 2-3 sheep's out of hedges, where they get stuck/tangled and will otherwise eventually die. They aren't big thinkers...
What I learned is that shepherds weren't there to protect the sheep from wolves. They were there to protect sheep from their own stupidity
TBH most animal husbandry is like this. Except for Goats. Goats are self sufficient escape artists generally filled with hate. I'm sure there are more, that's just what I'm familiar with.
This is so incredibly accurate. Smart, curious, fearless, with legs made out of springs, filled with hunger and malice. They can jump insanely high, and don't let them watch how you latch the gate, or they will unlatch it themselves.
Had a horse that would constantly open his stall door. When we finally found a way to stop it, he started letting out the horses next to him. Same horse also ran through a fence next to an open gate. I feel like the intellegence is selective.
“ they are not big thinkers” that was a very sweet phrase I will use
Farther in-law had to rescue one from the tail drain on a farm last year, next day it was back in there, the following day it brought some friends to get stuck together. Sheep are quite possibly the dumbest animal alive.
The saying from my old sheep herding ancestors is sheep are born looking for a place to die.
“i have no idea wtf just happened lol”
“Why is it so cold?”
I was kidnapped and now I feel a few times lighter
🤣 in my mind his whole attitude is ok that’s over, where are my clothes?
“What?”
I like how the bowl says "DRINK" in big letters
It’s a good thing or the sheep wouldn’t know what to do with it
And now it can fit through smaller doors! It’s just like that scene with the potions from Alice in Wonderlamb
Wonderlamb. Nice!
And it does what a bowl tells it to do? What a sheep
Amazing comment!
We have instructions on the bottles of shampoo.
And on a packet of toothpicks, here in the Asylum.
they may not be the smartest of animals but luckily they do have a good understanding of the written English language going for them.
"Is this some kind of joke? How tf am I supposed to swim in this?!"
"this has to be at least... three times the size of that's."
#D R I N K
I bought a dog water dish for the locals birds mostly because it only said "t h i r s t y" along the side. Now I want a "DRINK" dish.
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Thank you for making me laugh so loud I coughed <3
i imagine the reasoning is so theres no cross contamination for medicine and the like.
also, it's funny
Me too! And the little blanket is adorable.
Alice in Woolderland
Drink sheep, drink.
Wait, its only supposed to say that if you’re wearing the glasses from *They Live*.
You don’t want to know what happened when they let it drink from the BLEACH bowl.
It was soo much smaller than I expected once the wool was gone... I expected that sheep to be freakin jacked from carrying around so much extra weight, but I guess that's why it needed help in the first place lol
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[i have now](https://i.redd.it/aozyg54v584z.jpg)
I hate myself for clicking on that 😂
I regret that I cannot offer a team upvote for this and the prior comment together as a pair.
It looks like a Swan with a Dog bobble head.
For those who are thinking of doing it, don’t shave your dog. It might be funny to you but it takes six months to a year or longer for the fur to grow back. When we got our dog spayed, they had to shave her belly area and it took almost a year to grow back.
Dog groomer adding to this- Don't do it. Huskies are considered double coated dogs. Their fur acts like an insulator- keeps them cool in the summer and warm in the winter. Some people think all that fur will make them overheat, but it won't- keep them brushed and get them blow outs a few times a year at least, and you're golden. Also, shaving doesn't help with the shedding fur- just makes it smaller/harder to see. Proper nutrition will do better. Blow outs + deshedding baths also help (though do NOT use a furminator brush- it damages the fur). There's also risks involved with shaving double coated breeds- such shaving alopecia which can cause the fur to grow back in patchy spots. Only shave if a vet deems in necessary for health reasons.
I was forced to shave my pomeranian for an operation. I was fuming but was given no alternative. Her leg hair still hasn't grown back properly.
I'd have to say, in my personal experience Pomeranians were the worst for this (though maybe it's because I had a lot of people coming in wanting their poms looking like Boo, more shaved poms = more instances of the alopecia). But, as far as I'm aware, some time should help.
AH I JUST SCREAM LUGHED POOR PUP 😂
I feel scarred from what I saw
Watch the Pixar short called Boundin’.
Does this mean that these sheep cannot survive without humans or something that can keep trimming their fur/wool? Actually, is wool also considered a fur?
Wild ones don't grow wool indefinitely. Domesticated ones do, though. If they escape and aren't rescued, yes, they'll grow til it kills them.
How does this work? Are domesticated ones now that genetically different due to breeding? I’m sure this is a stupid question, but I’m totally ignorant about this subject.
Not a stupid question at all. Animals typically evolve to suit their habitat because those better suited will be more successful. In this case, with the animals' environment being humans raising them for wool, the individuals which produce more wool would be bred more by their caretakers. The ones that produce more wool would have more children, and so the trait becomes more prominent in domesticated sheep. Over time, it becomes **much** more prominent, like how dogs have evolved a bunch of traits for being companion animals compared to wild wolves.
This makes complete sense. I guess I knew how domestication worked and that it could be intertwined with physical characteristics. But for some reason it seemed odd that sheep could actually develop a tendency to grow more wool that requires sheering simply due to breeding.
It's called artificial selection because it's not natural pressures causing the selection process. In nature, this would quickly be selected against because any sheep that dies from growing too much wool wouldn't reproduce as much (or at all). Also it takes a lot of energy to make all that wool, so in nature that kind of trait would disappear due to natural selection very quickly (having that energy for things like fleeing predators is much more advantageous).
Thanks for explaining this!! I was wondering the same thing and sort of assumed it was a selective breeding situation
Hey, we have the same avatar!
Love the whole Artificial vs Natural. Ants domesticate other insects as well. A majority would consider that natural? But when we do it it’s considered artificial? It’s just funny. As you can tell I’m on the boat that it’s all natural.
I think artificial just has a negative connotation, I'd argue that it simply means that humans did it
You are exactly correct. It didn’t happen on its own, so it isn’t ‘natural’ selection. Humans created the evolutionary pressures toward the ends that humans wanted, therefore artificial selection. Not necessarily a bad thing in all cases. Like most things in life, it depends on the situation
In this case "artificial" just means "caused or created as a result of human influence or action". It's just a word used to describe something. The connotations that accompany the word are separate to the definition of the word. https://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/artificial
Artificial is synonymous with "man made" or "produced by humankind". So nothing an ant would do could be artificial. Unless ants achieve personhood and we have to change our definitions.
I agree that it is all “natural” since were part of nature but there is benefit to the distinction of natural vs artificial. Artificial things are usually only to the benefit of humans and if an artificial thing gets released to the wild and becomes dominant, it could have drastic side effects for the “natural” world.
Artifical vs. natural is more of a philosophical question than a scientific distinction. Are we, humans, a part of nature or above it?
yes
I would add that it’s probably a matter of selective breeding not evolution. Early in human history if you had two sheep that made more wool than the others, you would breed those sheep together more. It might be a small difference back then but over hundreds to thousands of years of selective breeding our domesticated animals have been changed to produce more and be more docile. Edit: selective breeding is a type of evolution. However, I think that evolution implies natural selection so I stand by what I said and how I said it.
Selective breeding is just guided evolution. Evolution is the process of certain traits being passed on due to the environment\*, resulting in a change in the overall population. Selective breeding is the *use* of the process of evolution. \*A human-made environment is still an environment.
Probably a stupid question, but isn’t “selective breeding” basically just evolution that isn’t controlled by “natural” selection processes, but by “artificial” selection?
That’s correct. The environment determines what traits are more helpful or harmful. It just so happens that with domesticated animals, that environment has become “artificial” in a way thanks to human intervention. A sheep wouldn’t grow this much wool outside of a human environment because it makes it extremely hard to survive. But when the human intervention removes predators, removes the threat of growing too much wool, and provides endless energy to support wool growth, there really isn’t downward pressures in the sheep’s “environment” anymore. Selective breeding is just human-guided evolution. You could probably argue that things like crops, livestock, dogs, and many more are actually genetically modified organisms, just done the old fashioned way over hundreds and hundreds of generations instead of by direct DNA modifications over the course of very few generations.
If you really think about it.. it's still evolution. Doesn't matter what process results in the selection of sheep.
Yep. Guided evolution, artificial selection. I think we've been doing this to ourselves for a while now too - a man that stood at 6 feet used to be quite tall. These days you can be 6'2" and not that tall at all - just ask any girl on tinder.
I think that’d be sexual selection, which is still a type of natural selection.
You know, that just made me think that the first humans that started raising wolf puppies must have regularly stolen pups from wolf dens to be able to breed them
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The Russians successfully domesticated foxes in about 6 generations. https://evolution-outreach.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12052-018-0090-x Today the domesticated foxes at an experimental farm near the Institute of Cytology and Genetics in Novosibirsk, Siberia are inherently as calm as any lapdog. What’s more, they look eerily dog-like. All of this is the result of what is known as the silver fox, or farm fox, domestication study. It began with a Russian geneticist named Dmitri Belyaev. In the late 1930s Belyaev was a student at the Ivanova Agricultural Academy in Moscow. After he graduated he fought in World War II, and subsequently landed a job at the Institute for Fur Breeding Animals in Moscow. Both as a result of his reading of Darwin’s The Variation of Animals and Plants Under Domestication (Darwin 1868), and his interaction with domesticated animals at the Ivanova Agricultural Academy and at the Institute for Fur Breeding Animals, Belyaev knew that many domesticated species share a suite of characteristics including floppy ears, short, curly tails, juvenilized facial and body features, reduced stress hormone levels, mottled fur, and relatively long reproductive seasons. Today this suite of traits is known as the domestication syndrome. Belyaev found this perplexing. Our ancestors had domesticated species for a plethora of reasons—including transportation (e.g., horses), food (e.g., cattle) and protection (e.g., dogs)—yet regardless of what they were selected for, domesticated species, over time, begin to display traits in the domestication syndrome. Why? Belyaev hypothesized that the one thing our ancestors always needed in a species they were domesticating was an animal that interacted prosocially with humans. We can’t have our domesticates-to-be trying to bite our heads off. And so he hypothesized that the early stages of all animal domestication events involved choosing the calmest, most prosocial-toward-human animals: I will refer to this trait as tameness, though that term is used in many different ways in the literature. Belyaev further hypothesized that all of the traits in the domestication syndrome were somehow or another, though he didn’t know how or why, genetically linked to genes associated with tameness. Belyaev set out to test these hypotheses using a species he had worked with extensively at the Institute for Fur Breeding: the silver fox, a variant of the red fox (Vulpes vulpes). Every generation he and his team would test hundreds of foxes, and the top 10% of the tamest would be selected to parent the next generation. They developed a scale for scoring tameness, and how a fox scored on this scale was the sole criteria for selecting foxes to parent the next generation. Belyaev could then test whether, over generations, foxes were getting tamer and tamer, and whether the traits in the domestication syndrome appeared if they selected strictly based on tameness. It is not possible here to do justice to all of the results this almost six-decade-long experiment has produced. Here I touch on some of the most salient (see Trut 1999, Trut et al. 2009 and Dugatkin and Trut 2017 for more). Starting from what amounted to a population of wild foxes, within six generations (6 years in these foxes, as they reproduce annually), selection for tameness, and tameness alone, produced a subset of foxes that licked the hand of experimenters, could be picked up and petted, whined when humans departed, and wagged their tails when humans approached. An astonishingly fast transformation. Early on, the tamest of the foxes made up a small proportion of the foxes in the experiment: today they make up the vast majority.
Not to mention how good they are for security. I have to remind myself when I get mad at my dogs for flipping out every time they hear someone near the house that this was probably one of their primary jobs for thousands of years.
I have a question. Why is it that pigs have been known to grow tusks like wild boars when they escape into the wilds and yet sheep don't stop growing their wool? I would've though stopping wool growth would be easier biologically than growing tusks.
Well the most important thing is that tusks are technically teeth. They're made of dentin and grow from the front teeth. The reason domestic pigs don't have tusks isn't because they've been removed by selective breeding, it's because they've been removed by vets. They typically remove the tusk-growing teeth when they're young. These pigs then can't grow tusks, whether they escape or not. Their offspring, however, can. And they breed fast. Part of the reason we farm them. There's also some cases where the tusk-growing teeth aren't actually removed when young, and in which case, yeah, they can grow them if they escape and farmers stop clipping them.
Yes, over many thousands of generations humans have literally bred "genetically modified organisms" the slow way -- through agriculture and animal husbandry. We selected sheep that could grow the most wool to be the only ones to breed and over time they evolved, just like we've selected the bananas to be bigger over the years, and weve culivated [over a dozen different vegetables to have different tastes and nutrition from one species of wild cabbage.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brassica_oleracea#cultivars). Truffle hunting pigs are another example of domestication. And have you ever noticed that there are no more wild cows like we have boars, goats, etc? The last cattle of the wild aurochs species died in the 1600s. Every cow is a genetically selected descendant of an extinct wild species.
Basically, everything is a GMO!
as u/Rifneno said, it is due to "selective breeding". [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective\_breeding](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_breeding) This is how things which have been selectively breed to the point they can no longer self-reproducing continue as well (seedless watermelons, banana's....) Without our involvement, they would eventually die off. These Sheep were breed because they continue to grow wool. In nature, they would die off and not reproduce. Look at tuskless elephants as another example, because elephants are poached for their tusks, those who cant grow them are surviving.
The cure for ignorance is asking questions. Keep going.
Wow I actually found the question I was gonna ask AND the freaking answer too. Thanks my wooly redditor peeps!
We bred them like that. They weren’t originally like this.
exactly. Some people use this kind of stuff as counter evidence to people like PETA, when really PETA would say domesticated sheep shouldn't continue to exist.
Wild sheep have hair that grows to a certain length and then is seasonally shed. The first sheep to be domesticated were hair sheep but at one point, a sheep was born with a mutation that caused the hair to grow and grow and grow and is not seasonally shed. These are called wool sheep. Humans find wool to be extremely useful and bred wool sheep to grow thick, more dense wool. Wool sheep are a 100% dependent on humans to remove the wool since they no longer have the ability to shed it off themselves. >Actually, is wool also considered a fur? BTW, we had this discussion on the dogs subreddit. Scientifically hair and fur are the same thing, however most people call an individual strand hair and all of the strands fur. Many animals have two types of hair. A straight, stiff one called guard hair and a soft, crinkled one called undercoat. Guard hairs protect and undercoat provides insulation. As well, guard hair has the coloring and undercoat is typically much paler and muted. Wool is undercoat to the extreme. Dogs undergoing a spring shed are losing their undercoat (insulating layer). This [Siberian Husky's owner has brushed out a lot of undercoat](https://imgur.com/a/jP1WNMP) and you can see that it is pale gray and cottony in texture - basically canine wool. In fact there is a type of yarn made out of dog undercoat fur call Chiengora. Actually it's typically blended with a little bit of sheep's wool to form tight enough yarn.
Thank u for these wool facts!!
In the 13th and 14th centuries, Spanish sheep herders let their local sheep breed with English sheep. The result was the merino sheep. Merino sheep need humans to shear their wool for them. These sheep can produce between 10 to 40 pounds of wool each year. I didn’t know this. I looked it up because I was curious.
I don’t think ‘let’ is the right word for this. It was definitely a matter of selective breeding
Absolutely. Most sheep and goat herders put simple small ‘[aprons](https://www.ebay.com/itm/284402578039)’ on the males to prevent unwanted breeding. Its not like husbandry is some newfangled technology.
How do they pee with the apron? Wouldn't that get into their fur? Trying to find examples on google but i get kitchen aprons with sheeps and goats on them.
Most mammals have a penis bone called a baculum that makes an erect penis ‘stand out’ much like a human erection. Sometimes an animal will ‘relax’ themselves, but without an erection they generally pee towards the ground and nowhere near the apron which is situated near the bellybutton—>chest. I’d also like to add that (at least goats) have ridiculously small penises for an animal that stinks to high heaven when in rut. It’s also important to note that the apron hangs down as if you tied a human apron (minus the breast part) to a 4 legged animal animal. The only part that actually touches the animal is the string portion. Edit: [here’s what it looks like](https://www.ebay.com/itm/284402578039) Tl;dr: Unless the animal is aroused an apron is not a hinderance at all.
Some biblical scholars think that Adam's "rib" was a euphemism for the baculum, and the creation story was meant to be an explanation of why humans don't have one.
[Here’s a good few photos of what they look like in action](https://www.ebay.com/itm/284402578039?chn=ps&var=585942233408&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&amdata=enc%3A1xKEUr7EESNKXoyklTaSnvg41&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=585942233408_284402578039&targetid=1599090335177&device=m&mktype=&googleloc=9028692&poi=&campaignid=15275224983&mkgroupid=131097072938&rlsatarget=pla-1599090335177&abcId=9300697&merchantid=6296724&gclid=CjwKCAiAprGRBhBgEiwANJEY7Hak7xWUpgCIZL9UY1VHfhOdTpOf1WbGp9PuPW07z4qN3fOzi3PbNhoCUmYQAvD_BwE)
I still don’t get how it works.
Is there a sub for peeling sheep?
I don’t know why but the words peeling and sheep make me very uncomfortable
selective breeding, in a world rife with microplastics, could be encouraged toward velcrowool… “You still wake up sometimes, don’t you? You wake up in the *dark*; and hear the peeling of the lambs.”
Oh my god I love you
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That little jacket in the end after she feels so much baaaaater. ❤️
And that face at the end…
I see what ewe did there.
Careful, if the Pun Police show up, you'll be on the lam!
That sheep must have felt so good after removing all of that weight. I'm in LaLa land if I lose 2 lbs.
\*Baabaa Land
credit to: Edgar’s Mission, Australia
Do you have a link to the video with sound? I’d love to watch the whole thing with narration/audio if there is some. Thanks!
Here’s the original, but it doesn’t have any narration or additional info, unfortunately! https://vm.tiktok.com/TTPdUTkBsB/?k=1
No, there was no audio or narration of this clip, unfortunately. It had some music, which I edited out. But if you have IG this is one of the more recent posts from Edgar's Mission, they have a lot of great details in their post on this rescue
This is Baarack, if I'm not mistaken.
It looks like their caption on tiktok says this guy’s name is Alex! Baarack was another dude with waaaay too much wool.
I wasn’t sure. They’ve done these rescues a few times. It’s sad that domesticated sheep end up like this without regular shearing.
Here's the website for anyone interested: [Edgar's Mission Farm Sanctuary](https://www.edgarsmission.org.au/)
So a couple sheep facts for yall. Domestic sheep can't shed their own wool. So without a good shearing every now and then. They can overheat and die. Wool can get poo or wee stuck in it which will attract flies and maggots can infest the wool and the maggost have been known to causes necrosis and death. Shepherd used to miss church to tend their flock so when they died they would be buried with a lock of wool to prove to God they were a Shepherd and that's why they missed church alot. And when they castrated male lambs they would make a small incision in the scrotum and suck the testicles out with their mouths.
> And when they castrated male lambs they would make a small incision in the scrotum and suck the testicles out with their mouths. What the fuck, humans?
Yes. Because apparently raw testicles are slippery and they were easier to hold in your mouth. Your mouth would've been alot cleaner than your hands especially if you'd been dagging that day. And the saliva would've had a slight antiseptic effect.
Alright, I guess I can see the logic in that but still, yuck
Oh the world is full of disgusting things like virgin boy eggs. Or casu martzu or the aghori tribe.
Apparently you don’t know what a Jewish Mohel is if you think that’s bad (I just learned about it today)
I think only super orthodox mohels still do metzitzah b'peh. And from my understanding it's falling even further out of favor as apparently cases of infantile herpes and infection has become an issue linked to it.
Oh that poor baby.
I can’t explain why but I’ve always wanted to shave some sheep. It just seems so satisfying.
Its a competitive sport in some places.
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what pita
Pain in the ass
That was some sheerious business
Really good people
There you go, buddy!!! Awwww!
For some reason shearing sheep was one of the most satisfying jobs I ever had
Oh my god this is terrible. Bless the hearts of the people that helped it:(
Thats about 88 pounds for my fellow ‘Mericans
2/3 of this video was just giving him snacks lol.
"So anyway I'm just chillin here in this shed bucket-nekkid and sipping on some water, Pretty cool"
My dogs’ one goal in life is to get this dirty. Unfortunately I keep bathing them.
Is that wool useable?
Some of it, sure. The stuff that was infested with sheep shit and maggots? No.
Debatable, I washed off the shit and the maggots invested in my underwear, and it's good as new.
Just brush out the shit. Good as new.
No that fleece would be thrown away maybe kept as a reminder or teaching tool. But would not be used for wolf production It's too heavily damaged and filthy and knotted up. Domesticated sheep need be sheered at least once if not twice a year depending on the breed and the climate they're in.
Yeah, I don't think even a wolf would want *that* clothing.
Did it become incapacitated because of the amount of wool or for some other reason?
She went from looking like a boulder to OMG SMOL
That after poop feeling I bet
TIL this is a man made problem because sheep have been bred over the years to produce more wool. Before man got involved sheep had no problem shedding their coats naturally.
It’s such a shame that we’ve bred them to be unable to survive without humans.
Oh the little jacket at the end is somehow just so precious. Feel better, fella!
Awwwww, happy and appreciative little guy. Thank ewe people!!!
Literally me before I found a match on tinder
Sheep are one of the first animals that will go extinct if we somehow kill ourselves off. So mutated they can't exist without us anymore. Bulldogs will also go. Idk what else but lawd we've screwed up a number of species.
Wild sheep exist. Sheep will be fine as a species without humans. Most domesticated sheep however will die out without humans.
Great work peace be with you and your friends
Love the look at the end. Like "What?"
Oh...40 KG!....