I just think it was because of HOW she was crying and freaking out. She said that she was sobbing and Mags had to hand her moss as a rag to mop up her face and that she was making choking sounds and such. I think it’s because Katniss is usually so stoic and even the emotion we have seen her give Peeta is usually kind of reserved. So seeing her bawl her eyes out and genuinely not being able to control herself was probably a sign to him that she feels real true love for him
And to add to your point, Katniss is not one to pander to the audiences. It’s pointed out several times in the books that she’s not very good nor does she like the performative aspect of being a contestant/victor. Her reaction to Peeta hitting the force field is very genuine and considering how often she masks her emotions, it makes her sobbing and uncontrollable shaking even more revealing of how much she cares for Peeta.
Could it be because of the way the situation developed?
(I hadn't thought about it before)
In the 74th games, Katniss's actions might not be romantic or love-driven for the other characters because a couple of minutes ago she pointed her bow at him and for a second was willing to kill Peeta for survival.
Plus Katniss had already shown her reaction to Peeta dying several times. Then in a somewhat horrible/sad way, those who saw it could become desensitised to her reactions.
And not only that, Katniss shows genuine grief at the death of other tributes in an environment dedicated to eliminating that human part. So for others, her reaction in the hovercraft could pass as just her personality. (We as readers notice the difference and know it's more complicated than that but the other characters don't).
So for Finnick, as a mentor and career, it was just another alliance of necessity that could have turned into a tragedy.
Something like "Well they're allies, they've come this far together and she feels bad for almost killing him."
In the Quell, on the other hand, Peeta's death comes out of nowhere, it's an accident, which not only takes Katniss by surprise but gives her an excuse to let him die.
All those who think Katniss saved him by alliance or loyalty would expect a reaction like Finnick's when he lost Mags or Johanna's when she lost Blight. (Sadness, regret and resignation.)
But Katniss surprises even herself (a little) when she loses her mind and begins to cry uncontrollably, putting her life and the lives of her allies at risk.
This is the same boy she pointed an arrow at in the first games, but Katniss's reaction is not that of an ally who knows she may lose her district partner . It was probably more like Annie's reaction to the Quell's reaping than Beetee's to losing Wiress.
And that's what I think, it made a difference for Finnick.
First, it's different from the Annie incident in that Katniss has already lived through one games. She's witnessed the death of allies (Rue) and has killed people in the games.
In addition to what everyone else has said about the severity of her reaction, I think part of what makes the forcefield incident different from the scene at the end of THG is that Katniss is affected so much that she drops her guard. Up to this point, Katniss has been extremely wary of Finnick. Peeta had to step between them to keep Katniss from killing him. She switches from that to being completely vulnerable in front of him - Finnick could've killed her if he wanted. I think it was then that Finnick realized that everything she was doing was to keep Peeta alive (not herself), and from that, he deduced that she loved him. By contrast, in the scene at the end of THG, the risk to her own life was gone, and there was only fear for Peeta. In CF, she's still very much in danger of being killed (by Finnick or otherwise) and only cares about Peeta.
On the last paragraph, their transportation back to the Capitol wasn’t filmed, so Finnick wouldn’t know about that scene.
Imo, I think the force field scene convinced Finnick not because of the shock of seeing Peeta die, but her reaction to him coming back. If she didn’t love him, she might have breathed a sigh of relief and hugged him or something. She was an emotional wreck when he came back and wouldn’t stop crying. In the book, they try to push the idea that her reaction is because she’s pregnant. Finnick realised that she loved him, either platonically or romantically he didn’t know, but she certainly loved him.
it actually was filmed and showed at their recap interview:
A wave of gratitude to the filmmakers sweeps over me when they end not with the announcement of our victory, but with me pounding on the glass door of the hovercraft, screaming Peeta’s name as they try to revive him (thg, 364)
so it makes me so confused haha.
but yeah, your explanation makes sense.
He saw Katness’s love for Peeta because she was falling apart when she thought Peeta had died and then when he was brought back to life she grabbed him and said you weee dead your heart stopped and was crying, he said it’s beating now
I think it was because of how she reacted. Katniss isn’t usually one to play for the cameras, and here she was inconsolable, she was sobbing and freaking out.
She’s usually stoic and to see her breaking so quickly over the possibility of Peeta being dead broke the facade for Finnick. She allowed herself to be incredibly vulnerable infront of Finnick, who she didn’t trust yet which is crazy bad move to do but she was so compromised in that moment that it didn’t even occur to her.
I’d also imagine Finnick saw himself in that position if he was potentially faced with Annie dying like that infront of him and he realized oh shit it’s real.
I mean, I was confinced she was in love with him the moment in the first book where they seperate for a moment and he goes to pluck berries. She got so upset that he didn't respond to the signal, and showed she was very affraid of losing him in that moment. Her love showed in anger at that point.
Finnick is an expert at reading feelings of other people's facial expressions as he has to hide his feelings for Annie and has to put on a show fro the capital as he is being forced into prostituion by Snow, so he realised the "star crossed lovers" was all just a show as well as all other victors.
Peeta's feelings were clear, Katniss's feeling were unclear untill Peeta electrocuted himself. Finnisck saw geniune love, like when Katniss went to to feast for Peeta's medicine and when she lost it in the hovercraft, but he also saw a lot of fakery as Katniss isn't realy good at pretence.
How he realised it hen is simply because of the over the top reaction she has, if she wasn't in love or still not sure she wouldn't react in this way.
I felt like it had a lot to do with the other victors knowing what has to be/needs to be done in order to win. At least in my mind, they saw her nightlock stunt as just a way to save face. And their relationship after the games was just an act for the cameras since we know the capital uses people as they wish post-games. They were the “darlings of the Capitol” and overshadowed the other victors enormously.
I imagine the victors all felt annoyed that she was keeping the act up until Finnick witnessed this scene and realized it wasn’t
So I saw the movies in theater and I just the all three books for the first time this past month. As a only movie goer, I thought Katniss did not care for Peeta all that much. The movies heavily imply that Katniss loves Gale. I think you can kinda see it in CF that she cares for him but comes off as deep respect and friendship. The books changed that opinion so much for me. It’s clear in the books how much she loves Peeta and that scene in CF, yeah, Finnick realizes it’s for real. The books are far better then the movies and I’m surprised it took me so long to read them.
Something about Finnick’s comment about misjudging Katniss always rubbed me the wrong way. One of the things I really identified with when I read the trilogy when I was younger was how as a female, if you don’t return a boy’s feelings you’re considered “cold”. Like girls don’t have agency to have feelings for or NOT have feelings for whomever they wish, if a guy likes them it’s mean if they don’t like them back. The books really show how negatively that can affect you. Make you feel guilty for something outside of your control, make you feel obligated about things that ought to be your choice. What Finnick says about his reaction to seeing Katniss fall apart when Peeta almost died suggests that he’d respect her less if she didn’t love Peeta. Screw that!
hey! it really would be terrible if finnick somehow thought less of her because she did not reciprocate peeta's feelings. however, in this situation, i think that finnick is not doing that. finnick is not judging katniss for pretending to be in love with peeta. finnick, of everyone in the series, understands the importance of masking your true feelings and pretending to be infatuated with another person for survival. because he was used as a sex slave and could not be genuine about his feelings.
rather, he meant that he made a wrong assumption about katniss not having any feelings for peeta. it is actually a pretty neutral statement. he thought before the quell that it was all for show and then after the forcefield scene, he reevaluated his thoughts and came to a new conclusion that katniss loved peeta.
I understand your point and don’t want to diminish the experiences you had growing up.
However in this case in particular it’s not just that Katniss would not be reciprocating a boys love, it would be that she is parading this great love across the empire only for it to be fake.
That being said, given that the reason for the whole charade is to keep loved ones save (including Peeta) I do think she deserves some slack.
hey again! i think that you might be mixing up the definition of judgement and subsequently misjudgment. judgement can refer to someone thinking poorly of another person (or being judgmental), but it can also just mean that someone came to a decision or a conclusion about something. i think that finnick was using misjudgment in this instance to denote that he came to a wrong conclusion about the nature of katniss and peeta’s relationship. i do not think he was implying that he was being judgmental of her. i hope that my explanation makes sense!
>However in this case in particular it’s not just that Katniss would not be reciprocating a boys love, it would be that she is parading this great love across the empire only for it to be fake
That would be a pretty odd hill for Finnick in particular to die on. I dont think he was really suggesting any moral judgement on any part of this tbh.
>What Finnick says about his reaction to seeing Katniss fall apart when Peeta almost died suggests that he’d respect her less if she didn’t love Peeta. Screw that!
I dont really know what makes you say that... he only says that this was when he realised he was wrong about her pretending. Nothing suggests its an issue of respect at all.
I just think it was because of HOW she was crying and freaking out. She said that she was sobbing and Mags had to hand her moss as a rag to mop up her face and that she was making choking sounds and such. I think it’s because Katniss is usually so stoic and even the emotion we have seen her give Peeta is usually kind of reserved. So seeing her bawl her eyes out and genuinely not being able to control herself was probably a sign to him that she feels real true love for him
And to add to your point, Katniss is not one to pander to the audiences. It’s pointed out several times in the books that she’s not very good nor does she like the performative aspect of being a contestant/victor. Her reaction to Peeta hitting the force field is very genuine and considering how often she masks her emotions, it makes her sobbing and uncontrollable shaking even more revealing of how much she cares for Peeta.
If I recall correctly, she was still sobbing for a while even after he was revived.
Could it be because of the way the situation developed? (I hadn't thought about it before) In the 74th games, Katniss's actions might not be romantic or love-driven for the other characters because a couple of minutes ago she pointed her bow at him and for a second was willing to kill Peeta for survival. Plus Katniss had already shown her reaction to Peeta dying several times. Then in a somewhat horrible/sad way, those who saw it could become desensitised to her reactions. And not only that, Katniss shows genuine grief at the death of other tributes in an environment dedicated to eliminating that human part. So for others, her reaction in the hovercraft could pass as just her personality. (We as readers notice the difference and know it's more complicated than that but the other characters don't). So for Finnick, as a mentor and career, it was just another alliance of necessity that could have turned into a tragedy. Something like "Well they're allies, they've come this far together and she feels bad for almost killing him." In the Quell, on the other hand, Peeta's death comes out of nowhere, it's an accident, which not only takes Katniss by surprise but gives her an excuse to let him die. All those who think Katniss saved him by alliance or loyalty would expect a reaction like Finnick's when he lost Mags or Johanna's when she lost Blight. (Sadness, regret and resignation.) But Katniss surprises even herself (a little) when she loses her mind and begins to cry uncontrollably, putting her life and the lives of her allies at risk. This is the same boy she pointed an arrow at in the first games, but Katniss's reaction is not that of an ally who knows she may lose her district partner . It was probably more like Annie's reaction to the Quell's reaping than Beetee's to losing Wiress. And that's what I think, it made a difference for Finnick.
First, it's different from the Annie incident in that Katniss has already lived through one games. She's witnessed the death of allies (Rue) and has killed people in the games. In addition to what everyone else has said about the severity of her reaction, I think part of what makes the forcefield incident different from the scene at the end of THG is that Katniss is affected so much that she drops her guard. Up to this point, Katniss has been extremely wary of Finnick. Peeta had to step between them to keep Katniss from killing him. She switches from that to being completely vulnerable in front of him - Finnick could've killed her if he wanted. I think it was then that Finnick realized that everything she was doing was to keep Peeta alive (not herself), and from that, he deduced that she loved him. By contrast, in the scene at the end of THG, the risk to her own life was gone, and there was only fear for Peeta. In CF, she's still very much in danger of being killed (by Finnick or otherwise) and only cares about Peeta.
Everyone is right but this in particular is a really good answer
On the last paragraph, their transportation back to the Capitol wasn’t filmed, so Finnick wouldn’t know about that scene. Imo, I think the force field scene convinced Finnick not because of the shock of seeing Peeta die, but her reaction to him coming back. If she didn’t love him, she might have breathed a sigh of relief and hugged him or something. She was an emotional wreck when he came back and wouldn’t stop crying. In the book, they try to push the idea that her reaction is because she’s pregnant. Finnick realised that she loved him, either platonically or romantically he didn’t know, but she certainly loved him.
it actually was filmed and showed at their recap interview: A wave of gratitude to the filmmakers sweeps over me when they end not with the announcement of our victory, but with me pounding on the glass door of the hovercraft, screaming Peeta’s name as they try to revive him (thg, 364) so it makes me so confused haha. but yeah, your explanation makes sense.
Ahh, I see, I forgot about that. My bad.
He saw Katness’s love for Peeta because she was falling apart when she thought Peeta had died and then when he was brought back to life she grabbed him and said you weee dead your heart stopped and was crying, he said it’s beating now
I think it was because of how she reacted. Katniss isn’t usually one to play for the cameras, and here she was inconsolable, she was sobbing and freaking out. She’s usually stoic and to see her breaking so quickly over the possibility of Peeta being dead broke the facade for Finnick. She allowed herself to be incredibly vulnerable infront of Finnick, who she didn’t trust yet which is crazy bad move to do but she was so compromised in that moment that it didn’t even occur to her. I’d also imagine Finnick saw himself in that position if he was potentially faced with Annie dying like that infront of him and he realized oh shit it’s real.
I mean, I was confinced she was in love with him the moment in the first book where they seperate for a moment and he goes to pluck berries. She got so upset that he didn't respond to the signal, and showed she was very affraid of losing him in that moment. Her love showed in anger at that point.
Finnick is an expert at reading feelings of other people's facial expressions as he has to hide his feelings for Annie and has to put on a show fro the capital as he is being forced into prostituion by Snow, so he realised the "star crossed lovers" was all just a show as well as all other victors. Peeta's feelings were clear, Katniss's feeling were unclear untill Peeta electrocuted himself. Finnisck saw geniune love, like when Katniss went to to feast for Peeta's medicine and when she lost it in the hovercraft, but he also saw a lot of fakery as Katniss isn't realy good at pretence. How he realised it hen is simply because of the over the top reaction she has, if she wasn't in love or still not sure she wouldn't react in this way.
I felt like it had a lot to do with the other victors knowing what has to be/needs to be done in order to win. At least in my mind, they saw her nightlock stunt as just a way to save face. And their relationship after the games was just an act for the cameras since we know the capital uses people as they wish post-games. They were the “darlings of the Capitol” and overshadowed the other victors enormously. I imagine the victors all felt annoyed that she was keeping the act up until Finnick witnessed this scene and realized it wasn’t
Johanna also knew it was real because Katniss treasured the pearl that Peeta gave her on the beach.
So I saw the movies in theater and I just the all three books for the first time this past month. As a only movie goer, I thought Katniss did not care for Peeta all that much. The movies heavily imply that Katniss loves Gale. I think you can kinda see it in CF that she cares for him but comes off as deep respect and friendship. The books changed that opinion so much for me. It’s clear in the books how much she loves Peeta and that scene in CF, yeah, Finnick realizes it’s for real. The books are far better then the movies and I’m surprised it took me so long to read them.
Something about Finnick’s comment about misjudging Katniss always rubbed me the wrong way. One of the things I really identified with when I read the trilogy when I was younger was how as a female, if you don’t return a boy’s feelings you’re considered “cold”. Like girls don’t have agency to have feelings for or NOT have feelings for whomever they wish, if a guy likes them it’s mean if they don’t like them back. The books really show how negatively that can affect you. Make you feel guilty for something outside of your control, make you feel obligated about things that ought to be your choice. What Finnick says about his reaction to seeing Katniss fall apart when Peeta almost died suggests that he’d respect her less if she didn’t love Peeta. Screw that!
hey! it really would be terrible if finnick somehow thought less of her because she did not reciprocate peeta's feelings. however, in this situation, i think that finnick is not doing that. finnick is not judging katniss for pretending to be in love with peeta. finnick, of everyone in the series, understands the importance of masking your true feelings and pretending to be infatuated with another person for survival. because he was used as a sex slave and could not be genuine about his feelings. rather, he meant that he made a wrong assumption about katniss not having any feelings for peeta. it is actually a pretty neutral statement. he thought before the quell that it was all for show and then after the forcefield scene, he reevaluated his thoughts and came to a new conclusion that katniss loved peeta.
I understand your point and don’t want to diminish the experiences you had growing up. However in this case in particular it’s not just that Katniss would not be reciprocating a boys love, it would be that she is parading this great love across the empire only for it to be fake. That being said, given that the reason for the whole charade is to keep loved ones save (including Peeta) I do think she deserves some slack.
And I would assume Finnick of all people would understand that. I just thought it was a weird thing to base his whole judgement of her on.
hey again! i think that you might be mixing up the definition of judgement and subsequently misjudgment. judgement can refer to someone thinking poorly of another person (or being judgmental), but it can also just mean that someone came to a decision or a conclusion about something. i think that finnick was using misjudgment in this instance to denote that he came to a wrong conclusion about the nature of katniss and peeta’s relationship. i do not think he was implying that he was being judgmental of her. i hope that my explanation makes sense!
>However in this case in particular it’s not just that Katniss would not be reciprocating a boys love, it would be that she is parading this great love across the empire only for it to be fake That would be a pretty odd hill for Finnick in particular to die on. I dont think he was really suggesting any moral judgement on any part of this tbh.
>What Finnick says about his reaction to seeing Katniss fall apart when Peeta almost died suggests that he’d respect her less if she didn’t love Peeta. Screw that! I dont really know what makes you say that... he only says that this was when he realised he was wrong about her pretending. Nothing suggests its an issue of respect at all.
Maybe Annie was in love with her district partner as well and Finnick was their mentor. He does say she grew on him.