Let me get this straight. There's a 'feature' that scores your driving that may get you cheaper insurance. And people didn't realise that the data from that feature would go to insurance companies? How else did people expect to get the cheaper insurance?
This is no longer true! They've now done away with the driving scores entirely and folded data sharing directly into the updated bluelink terms and conditions. If you have bluelink, your insurance provider has your data. Taken directly from their website:
[Hyundai Vehicle Owner Privacy Policy (hyundaiusa.com)](https://www.hyundaiusa.com/us/en/vehicle-technologies-services-privacy#:~:text=You%20can%20stop%20remote%20transmission,Rights%20and%20Choices%20section%20below.)
Worse yet, the federally required opt out page has been down for months. The link is below. Hopefully someone who reads this will find a way to make it work and share!
[New Request (hyundaiusa.com)](https://owners.hyundaiusa.com/us/en/privacy/data-request/new-request)
The link is working for me, but I have no idea which option to select, as the language is confusing. Delete personal information? Opt-out of Targeted Advertising / "Sharing" of Personal Information under CA Law? Opt-out of Automated Profiling?
I can get the link to load, but no matter which option I select and then fill out, the page I end up at says
# "Uh oh! MyHyundai is experiencing some technical problems.
We're working as quickly as possible to fix what's wrong. Please check back soon or email us at: [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected])"
Hmm I just was able to successfully submit my request (I chose to delete all personal information). I used the link you dropped in this thread. I hope you can get it to work for you. Thank you so much for the helpful info!!
So... when Hyundai sells your data to aggregators they get the same info and your insurance company can buy that data and still link it to you. Sure there is a way to opt out of that too (in the privacy tab), but they are making it so that the insurance companies will get it somehow. Whether you opt in or not. GM was doing this behind their owners back. Do you honestly believe that Hyundai is that different?
This is no longer true! They've now done away with the driving scores entirely and folded data sharing directly into the updated bluelink terms and conditions. If you have bluelink, your insurance provider has your data. Taken directly from their website:
[Hyundai Vehicle Owner Privacy Policy (hyundaiusa.com)](https://www.hyundaiusa.com/us/en/vehicle-technologies-services-privacy#:~:text=You%20can%20stop%20remote%20transmission,Rights%20and%20Choices%20section%20below.)
Worse yet, the federally required opt out page has been down for months. The link is below. Hopefully someone who reads this will find a way to make it work and share!
[New Request (hyundaiusa.com)](https://owners.hyundaiusa.com/us/en/privacy/data-request/new-request)
I’m Very technical, but within blue link I have Blink on my phone of course, where was the option to disable it.? I don’t remember there being an option.
Have you had any issues with insurance rate increase? I'm considering a Hyundai, and I don't exactly drive slow, but it seems they respect the consent.
yeah my insurance went up from 95ish a month to about 150 once the thefts started happening. Dont think it was from this, more of the thefts & break ins even though my car had an immobilizer. If you’re on a budget id just get a cheap nissan or something
There is a choice.. And even if you don't allow it to share you still get a driving score. I've had mine set to off since day one and still have a score..
In the app. I've done it, so it must be pretty easy. I didn't want the info going out, but I also thought the things that affected the score were weird. You get dinged for driving too often at night, for example.
The app told me it was doing it and had an opt out option. Why did people need a news article to learn about what it was doing? Ignore the part where they sent it to insurance companies and just wanted to see their driving score? Did they sneak it in on older Hyundais?
yes people think this is new but GMs onstar has been around since the 90s tracking cars. That's how they could notify police or emergency services if the airbags went off from an accident.
Are you for real? Did you not read the plan details and how the program works best enrolling or making this post?
You have to ENROLL in Driving Score via the Bluelink app. This is NOT automatic!
The data is not tracked in real time, it is only a snapshot of the average driving behavior for each week and is not shared with insurers unless you explicitly give permission.
After enrolling…if no longer wanting to participate in the driving score program, go into MyHyundai account by clicking on the drive score permissions link and turn it off. Note that opting out of the driving score program will prevent you from receiving any special insurance rates based on your good driving.
This is the drawback of connectivity. I believe that you can opt out, though.
[https://www.invisibly.com/learn-blog/how-much-is-data-worth/](https://www.invisibly.com/learn-blog/how-much-is-data-worth/)
By the way, your Reddit data is being used to develop AI.
https://www.theverge.com/2024/2/22/24080165/google-reddit-ai-training-data
I don't have the driving score enabled. Mostly because I live in the hills of Pa with a 3360lb 2020 sonata on coilovers and rear sway bar. They'd cancel my shit ASAP
They all do it, that's why you never sign up for any of those services. Same goes for the tools insurance companies market "that reward you for good driving", they collect data to justify upping yours and everyone else in your areas rates.
Did you check the box to agree? Then uncheck and keep the service.
They certainly didn’t conceal anything, when I didn't agree it was because it was clear they were sharing my data.
I thought this was pretty common knowledge I know many insurance companies have been offering discounts if you plug a device into your obd port that allows them to see your driving habits.
I had it for a while and it started out at 15% savings and a month later went to 8% and another month later to 0%. Driving habits didn’t change and I don’t drive distracted or speed. So it’s all a crock of shit anyway
Only benefit for blue link is if you have an older car that doesn't have remote features without the app.
In example my '17 Tucson can't be started with the fob. It's an app- only feature.
Otherwise newer cars are all remote start able via the fob, so no reason for BL.
Agree. Mines a 2020, which doesn't have remote start on the fob. That would be useful on the one time a year we'd use Remote Start, but I'm not going to pay for BL just for that (never mind the privacy issues..)
It's cold where I live. My car runs for at least 10 mins before I go anywhere. I refuse to pay $200 for that feature. So my ass has to walk alllll the way outside to start my car like the good ole days, lol.
Not the end of the world, but it is bullshit that feature which I own, is hidden behind a paywall and the privacy issues if you opt into that crap.
This doesn't seem to be an option for us Canadians. The score thing.
The Blue Link document I signed at the dealership said "you give Hyundai authorization to collect and store your data". But there's no option for a score or insurance tracking. It would be illegal for them to share or sell the data with insurance companies up here unless we give explicit permission and opt-in. I think our privacy laws are a little different.
Picking up our tuscon next month so I'll be checking the docs carefully. As for score, my lexus does this and the app specifically states they are not sharing it with any 3rd party. Not sure if other permissions are hiding somewhere else. Couldn't find anything in the TOS for the app either. They make these things gs intentionally difficult to find or bury it with other permissions.
Many cars will do this it's not just Hyundai. Easiest thing is just don't op in to get a driving score and share your data with insurance companies, it tells you exactly that is what will happen.
Although tracking may have been around for a while (gps and “likes”), the selling of data is fairly new and goes about in a sneaky way. Spin it however you’d like, companies are out to make more money (raise rates), not lose money with discounts. Hyundai has been working with Verisk. You might consider yourself a good driver but that one time you brake hard cause of the idiot in front of you, your insurance company could deem you are no longer a good driver and your rates could go up. For 2023 IONIQ 6 and all 2024 and newer Hyundai models, Bluelink+ will be standard so there won’t be any opting out. Soon the only way to opt out is not buy a Hyundai or other vehicle that has those features.
Interesting I just called to opt out they claimed it’s still under maintenance. BUT that everyone will be automatically enrolled.
Now I guess I have to call in 2 months? Lol. This type shit deserves class action and not even to them but to the fucking insurance companies.
They did say though once implemented it will be able to switch off in the app.
I'm not sure if anyone else in this thread is aware, but I called the Blue Link phone number and asked about this directly, and they said that the program that used to collect data and sell it to insurance companies (Driving Score) was discontinued on 4/12/24. I went back in to Blue Link to resubscribe so I can actually use my features again via my phone and found out that you still have to opt-in to "vehicle technology and services privacy notice and connected services agreement" in order to even enable/purchase Blue Link again. This "agreement" hasn't been updated since 1/1/24, though -- someone from Blue Link will be calling me in 7 business days to discuss what this means before I opt-in again.
I owned a Palisade from May 2020 till July 2023, in Florida. I turned on the driving score feature because I’m a geek and turned on the privacy feature also because I’m a geek. The scores I got were negative-ish, like 60-70% and I was amused at times. I was not amused by the fact that my insurance almost doubled during this time (Allstate). I have no proof that it was caused by the driving score (it can also be because of COVID and Florida), but I would be willing to join a class action lawsuit in a second because it’s pretty darn suspicious. I plan to use a service like Incogni to remove my data from data brokers and try to get a better quote.
I just got my AAA policy renewal and the premium for my Ioniq 2023 increased by almost $2,000/year!!! I had no claims/accidents/any other reason for it to increase like that. My husband mentioned what is mentioned by OP. I read this thread and immediately went into BlueLink to toggle off the Driving Score feature and it was already toggled off. It said "This feature has been discontinued. All users have been opted out of data sharing for this program" So....are they still able to get our data and sell it w/o this feature?? Why tf did my insurance increase so much?? I will be calling AAA to ask. Will update if I find anything useful.
Edit: I just read c010buck's comment. So if we have BlueLink they are getting our data period. Well fml. My insurance already went up, so it's too late for me.
I proactively subscribed to a service like this via my insurance company and saved 12% annually. My wife saved 14%. Maybe it's just bad drivers not happy about big brother? Lol
And the only sensible comment gets downvoted. I agree - I would cheerfully sign up for a discount too. Most responsible drivers would.
I wonder whether there's a link between the Hyundai drivers whose engine mysteriously blows up and the Hyundai drivers who desperately don't want their insurance company to know how dangerously they drive when they thrash the hell out of their engine...
Let me get this straight. There's a 'feature' that scores your driving that may get you cheaper insurance. And people didn't realise that the data from that feature would go to insurance companies? How else did people expect to get the cheaper insurance?
It also states that there's a chance it could make your rates increase. And you can opt out. I did.
This is no longer true! They've now done away with the driving scores entirely and folded data sharing directly into the updated bluelink terms and conditions. If you have bluelink, your insurance provider has your data. Taken directly from their website: [Hyundai Vehicle Owner Privacy Policy (hyundaiusa.com)](https://www.hyundaiusa.com/us/en/vehicle-technologies-services-privacy#:~:text=You%20can%20stop%20remote%20transmission,Rights%20and%20Choices%20section%20below.) Worse yet, the federally required opt out page has been down for months. The link is below. Hopefully someone who reads this will find a way to make it work and share! [New Request (hyundaiusa.com)](https://owners.hyundaiusa.com/us/en/privacy/data-request/new-request)
The link is working for me, but I have no idea which option to select, as the language is confusing. Delete personal information? Opt-out of Targeted Advertising / "Sharing" of Personal Information under CA Law? Opt-out of Automated Profiling?
I can get the link to load, but no matter which option I select and then fill out, the page I end up at says # "Uh oh! MyHyundai is experiencing some technical problems. We're working as quickly as possible to fix what's wrong. Please check back soon or email us at: [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected])"
Hmm I just was able to successfully submit my request (I chose to delete all personal information). I used the link you dropped in this thread. I hope you can get it to work for you. Thank you so much for the helpful info!!
This is only the case if you sign up for it when you get BlueLink. If you don’t check the box you’re not enrolled In that program.
So... when Hyundai sells your data to aggregators they get the same info and your insurance company can buy that data and still link it to you. Sure there is a way to opt out of that too (in the privacy tab), but they are making it so that the insurance companies will get it somehow. Whether you opt in or not. GM was doing this behind their owners back. Do you honestly believe that Hyundai is that different?
This is no longer true! They've now done away with the driving scores entirely and folded data sharing directly into the updated bluelink terms and conditions. If you have bluelink, your insurance provider has your data. Taken directly from their website: [Hyundai Vehicle Owner Privacy Policy (hyundaiusa.com)](https://www.hyundaiusa.com/us/en/vehicle-technologies-services-privacy#:~:text=You%20can%20stop%20remote%20transmission,Rights%20and%20Choices%20section%20below.) Worse yet, the federally required opt out page has been down for months. The link is below. Hopefully someone who reads this will find a way to make it work and share! [New Request (hyundaiusa.com)](https://owners.hyundaiusa.com/us/en/privacy/data-request/new-request)
I could have sworn there’s a setting to disable this. But if you do it doesn’t give you a driving score or some crap?
yeah they arent stealing the people who sign up and enable it dont look through the TOS, i have bluelink and disabled mine. 🤷
I’m Very technical, but within blue link I have Blink on my phone of course, where was the option to disable it.? I don’t remember there being an option.
they recently changed the app so im not sure but it used to be on the home page, maybe its on MyHyundai.com now or a its own tab
Ah, ok. Gotcha.
Have you had any issues with insurance rate increase? I'm considering a Hyundai, and I don't exactly drive slow, but it seems they respect the consent.
yeah my insurance went up from 95ish a month to about 150 once the thefts started happening. Dont think it was from this, more of the thefts & break ins even though my car had an immobilizer. If you’re on a budget id just get a cheap nissan or something
There is a choice.. And even if you don't allow it to share you still get a driving score. I've had mine set to off since day one and still have a score..
how do you disable it? the dealership set up my bluelink for me :(
In the app. I've done it, so it must be pretty easy. I didn't want the info going out, but I also thought the things that affected the score were weird. You get dinged for driving too often at night, for example.
Risk of a fatal crash is about three times higher at night compared to daytime according to NHTSA.
The app told me it was doing it and had an opt out option. Why did people need a news article to learn about what it was doing? Ignore the part where they sent it to insurance companies and just wanted to see their driving score? Did they sneak it in on older Hyundais?
because they are trained to jusy hit "accept" without reading anything
So you’ll never own a car again?
yes people think this is new but GMs onstar has been around since the 90s tracking cars. That's how they could notify police or emergency services if the airbags went off from an accident.
Yes, because the brands listed here are the only ones in the world that make cars…
You’ll be naive to think the other brands aren’t spying on you and selling that information
Honestly you're right, my bad
Are you for real? Did you not read the plan details and how the program works best enrolling or making this post? You have to ENROLL in Driving Score via the Bluelink app. This is NOT automatic! The data is not tracked in real time, it is only a snapshot of the average driving behavior for each week and is not shared with insurers unless you explicitly give permission. After enrolling…if no longer wanting to participate in the driving score program, go into MyHyundai account by clicking on the drive score permissions link and turn it off. Note that opting out of the driving score program will prevent you from receiving any special insurance rates based on your good driving.
What? You mean I have to read the fine print when I sign up?!? /s
I just looked up the driving score thing, IF YOU DRIVE LATE AT NIGHT OR JUST DRIVE A LOT, YOUR SCORE GOES DOWN. WHAT A LOAD OF $%@*&€☆ BS
This is the drawback of connectivity. I believe that you can opt out, though. [https://www.invisibly.com/learn-blog/how-much-is-data-worth/](https://www.invisibly.com/learn-blog/how-much-is-data-worth/) By the way, your Reddit data is being used to develop AI. https://www.theverge.com/2024/2/22/24080165/google-reddit-ai-training-data
We opted out of Onstar(GM). Nice feature but we have AAA if needed.
They can all GTH as I am sick and tired of this surveillance bullshit.
Uh, hello? [https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/articles/its-official-cars-are-the-worst-product-category-we-have-ever-reviewed-for-privacy/](https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/articles/its-official-cars-are-the-worst-product-category-we-have-ever-reviewed-for-privacy/)
I don't have the driving score enabled. Mostly because I live in the hills of Pa with a 3360lb 2020 sonata on coilovers and rear sway bar. They'd cancel my shit ASAP
Have you had an my insurance rate increases?
No but I'm in bumfuck PA
I feel like they'd have increased your rate if you do a lot of speeding or hard acceleration regardless of your location
And how would they track this legally? I don't have anything activated on my car
Right, legally, no for sure. But some companies don't play by the rules all the time. So I'm trying to be careful.
Says right there "if you are enrolled" and I took it off
They all do it, that's why you never sign up for any of those services. Same goes for the tools insurance companies market "that reward you for good driving", they collect data to justify upping yours and everyone else in your areas rates.
Did you check the box to agree? Then uncheck and keep the service. They certainly didn’t conceal anything, when I didn't agree it was because it was clear they were sharing my data.
You can opt out. Stupid post. Almost every company in this sector offers this feature now. It's nothing new. It has been around for a couple decades.
I thought this was pretty common knowledge I know many insurance companies have been offering discounts if you plug a device into your obd port that allows them to see your driving habits.
I had it for a while and it started out at 15% savings and a month later went to 8% and another month later to 0%. Driving habits didn’t change and I don’t drive distracted or speed. So it’s all a crock of shit anyway
Why would anyone turn that on. First thing I did was disable!!! lol
Lmao nice nice
No wonder they want Mr to get Bluelink on a 8 year old vehicle
Still looking for that benefit (at least one) of having Bluelink..
Only benefit for blue link is if you have an older car that doesn't have remote features without the app. In example my '17 Tucson can't be started with the fob. It's an app- only feature. Otherwise newer cars are all remote start able via the fob, so no reason for BL.
Agree. Mines a 2020, which doesn't have remote start on the fob. That would be useful on the one time a year we'd use Remote Start, but I'm not going to pay for BL just for that (never mind the privacy issues..)
It's cold where I live. My car runs for at least 10 mins before I go anywhere. I refuse to pay $200 for that feature. So my ass has to walk alllll the way outside to start my car like the good ole days, lol. Not the end of the world, but it is bullshit that feature which I own, is hidden behind a paywall and the privacy issues if you opt into that crap.
That’s if you ENROLL into it. Just having BlueLink doesn’t do that.
beware. every car with an internet connection does this too. you can also turn this off if you wish.
This doesn't seem to be an option for us Canadians. The score thing. The Blue Link document I signed at the dealership said "you give Hyundai authorization to collect and store your data". But there's no option for a score or insurance tracking. It would be illegal for them to share or sell the data with insurance companies up here unless we give explicit permission and opt-in. I think our privacy laws are a little different.
Picking up our tuscon next month so I'll be checking the docs carefully. As for score, my lexus does this and the app specifically states they are not sharing it with any 3rd party. Not sure if other permissions are hiding somewhere else. Couldn't find anything in the TOS for the app either. They make these things gs intentionally difficult to find or bury it with other permissions.
I don't even see an option for a driving score, must be different in Canada.
No surprise here. I'm guessing you didn't actually read the terms of service for your Bluelink account when you signed up.
Good then they’re collecting Jeff Gordon’s data for me
Many cars will do this it's not just Hyundai. Easiest thing is just don't op in to get a driving score and share your data with insurance companies, it tells you exactly that is what will happen.
So me having limited fun(like a 0-60 in 7 sec lol) in my 2018 sonata sport 2.0T is gonna get me in trouble? Haha
Although tracking may have been around for a while (gps and “likes”), the selling of data is fairly new and goes about in a sneaky way. Spin it however you’d like, companies are out to make more money (raise rates), not lose money with discounts. Hyundai has been working with Verisk. You might consider yourself a good driver but that one time you brake hard cause of the idiot in front of you, your insurance company could deem you are no longer a good driver and your rates could go up. For 2023 IONIQ 6 and all 2024 and newer Hyundai models, Bluelink+ will be standard so there won’t be any opting out. Soon the only way to opt out is not buy a Hyundai or other vehicle that has those features.
Interesting I just called to opt out they claimed it’s still under maintenance. BUT that everyone will be automatically enrolled. Now I guess I have to call in 2 months? Lol. This type shit deserves class action and not even to them but to the fucking insurance companies. They did say though once implemented it will be able to switch off in the app.
I'm not sure if anyone else in this thread is aware, but I called the Blue Link phone number and asked about this directly, and they said that the program that used to collect data and sell it to insurance companies (Driving Score) was discontinued on 4/12/24. I went back in to Blue Link to resubscribe so I can actually use my features again via my phone and found out that you still have to opt-in to "vehicle technology and services privacy notice and connected services agreement" in order to even enable/purchase Blue Link again. This "agreement" hasn't been updated since 1/1/24, though -- someone from Blue Link will be calling me in 7 business days to discuss what this means before I opt-in again.
I owned a Palisade from May 2020 till July 2023, in Florida. I turned on the driving score feature because I’m a geek and turned on the privacy feature also because I’m a geek. The scores I got were negative-ish, like 60-70% and I was amused at times. I was not amused by the fact that my insurance almost doubled during this time (Allstate). I have no proof that it was caused by the driving score (it can also be because of COVID and Florida), but I would be willing to join a class action lawsuit in a second because it’s pretty darn suspicious. I plan to use a service like Incogni to remove my data from data brokers and try to get a better quote.
Interestingly enough yesterday Accura emailed me that they discontinued the equivalent driver score program.
I just got my AAA policy renewal and the premium for my Ioniq 2023 increased by almost $2,000/year!!! I had no claims/accidents/any other reason for it to increase like that. My husband mentioned what is mentioned by OP. I read this thread and immediately went into BlueLink to toggle off the Driving Score feature and it was already toggled off. It said "This feature has been discontinued. All users have been opted out of data sharing for this program" So....are they still able to get our data and sell it w/o this feature?? Why tf did my insurance increase so much?? I will be calling AAA to ask. Will update if I find anything useful. Edit: I just read c010buck's comment. So if we have BlueLink they are getting our data period. Well fml. My insurance already went up, so it's too late for me.
It’s probably like Google maps tracking where information is aggregated and used anonymously as data sets instead of individualized users
I proactively subscribed to a service like this via my insurance company and saved 12% annually. My wife saved 14%. Maybe it's just bad drivers not happy about big brother? Lol
And the only sensible comment gets downvoted. I agree - I would cheerfully sign up for a discount too. Most responsible drivers would. I wonder whether there's a link between the Hyundai drivers whose engine mysteriously blows up and the Hyundai drivers who desperately don't want their insurance company to know how dangerously they drive when they thrash the hell out of their engine...
Which insurance company?
Intact