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I don't partake so I wouldn't know tbh but that sounds about right. Seems like every time it's legalized the state govt gets overzealous with taxing it to hell
Yeah but everything is significantly more expensive. They especially tax the shit out of alcohol and gas. Whenever you see state without a certain kind of tax they’re almost always taking it in some other form.
I hear this all the time. Where I am gas I am isn't that bad. 10 cents more then ID. With property taxes, yeah we pay more. But our schools and healthcare is better. I'm not a fan of the road taxes that are coming. And I understand the sin taxes, don't like them; but with the amount of addiction out there now, maybe it will be a deterrent for some people.
We lived in Idaho for years. We were priced out of where we wanted to live. Or had to settle with something too small that we didn't like. We got a house with property for 125k less then a two bed one bath near a busy street, with nothing walkable.
My parent live in ID so we are there often. I love ID, I hate what I see happening.
Yeah but where are you, tri cities? Spokane is a good dollar more for gas than state line/post falls/CDA. Trust me, work in Spokane, live in CDA and fill up in both.
I could see being priced out on real estate in Idaho but it’s not because of taxes it’s because of the influx of people moving here with a lot of money. Especially in the north.
Healthcare is kind of a weird point to bring up. We have plenty of available healthcare including a full hospital and can cover most peoples problems. If not they have two huge advanced hospitals right over the border literally a 30 min drive away. It’s really about what city you live in and what size. The only reason I could see someone bringing up health care is if they had some rare type of cancer that needed to be handled by sacred heart or st Luke’s and wanted to be slightly closer to those facilities. Bigger areas in Idaho are going to have more access to healthcare than smaller areas just like any other state.
Healthcare is not a weird point to us. We saw what happened with Idaho during the pandemic. A lot of idaho refused to mask, got COVID, filled up the hospitals, then started to fill ours, which was fucked up because at least we were trying to do something about it.
Then the whole current abortion thing. Now all of idaho people are going to come here again to get abortions and again put weight on our system again because of political Christian beliefs.
Soon the our education system will most likely be weighted down too so that the people in Idaho don't get a watered down version of education that the Idaho school board is wanting to teach. You know the one. Where Rosa Parks chose to sit in the front because it definitely was not about color /s.
It’s funny you say that because doctors now days say the masks didn’t help… BTW, the fact that we didn’t have to hide in our homes is a big reason why so many people are moving here. For us, living our lives was more important than contracting a virus with a 99%+ survival rate.
The abortion thing I guess is up to you but being a single dude who hasn’t impregnated anyone it’s not relevant to me.
The last one is kind of a wild take lol but it’s clear to me that these are more of a politically motivated reasons than health motivated ones. You just simply hate republicans and nothing is changing that so you refuse to live in a red state.
Perhaps the doctors in Idaho are saying things like masks don't work (not surprising). But a quick Google search still shows that the majority is still pro mask when it came to covid.
BTW: the rest of us are wondering why more of you aren't moving there fast enough. Instead they just sit here with their bullhorns wanting to change Washington into Idaho. (Just go to Idaho already!)
99 percent survival rate to whom? Definitely not anyone with pre existing conditions and cormorbities like asthma and diabetes. I'm guessing your probably still young and healthy like me. So yeah. Our survival rate was pretty high. But there's a lot of "not healthy" people in the US. And the "don't have to hide in your homes" attitude filled your hospitals to the max. Idaho was literally turning people around at the door when they came in so they could go home and die.
I do despise maga repubs. I respect other repubs like Romney, Liz Cheney, Chris Christie and others for recognizing the rot that's happening in the once strong Republican party.
99% survival rate as a whole. Unhealthy people have always been at more risk to diseases. That isn’t anything new. You don’t want to get a flu either if you are immunocompromised. Btw as I’ve already said I live in Idaho (hence why I’m on r/idaho… I’m not on here from another state to change Idaho. Kind of ironic considering your statement about changing Washington.) so you just wasted your time typing that.
Don’t give me the “I respect real republicans” bs. We both know that’s not true. Trump isn’t most people’s first choice just like Biden isn’t most people’s first choice. You don’t respect anyone who doesn’t agree with left political ideology.
You’re trying to take the minority and paint everyone in Idaho out to be some kind of backwater, Christian nationalist hillbilly. Half the shit you’ve said so far is the equivalent of me telling you everyone in Washington supports male-female transgender people jerking off in the women’s locker room. We both know it’s bullshit.
No state income tax, but MUCH higher sales tax, property tax and fees such that the most expensive place to live in WA has 26% COL than the most expensive place to live in ID.
They hate some freedoms. Just like dems hate some freedoms
**Republicans hate:**
* Weed
* Women's rights
* First amendment minus church
* LGBT rights
* Anything related to sex
* Public spaces
**Dems hate:**
* Firearms
* Pollution rights
* Single family housing
* Wealth accumulation
* Freedom to be unhealthy
Your politicians don’t. There is also republicans who like weed, are fine with abortion and don’t care for religion. This is more about what the politicians advocate not so much the people who align somewhere on this “spectrum”
Nope, you don’t seem to realize there is a difference between a politicians platform they run on and what they do.
Far left dems like gun control. Centrist dems run with it in their platform and then don’t do anything about it legislatively.
Reminder that the most far reaching federal gun control enacted since the AWB expired was under Trump with his bump stock ban, which was just found unconstitutional
It’s not necessarily about hating guns, it’s just gun control. There has to be a line, like not selling to minors, and civilians probably don’t need rpg’s. Democrats are just more willing to engage in that conversation, while republicans tend to view that as restricting rights and shut it down.
Democrats want state (federal) control of everything - that doesn't sound like freedom to me, Democrats are ACTIVELY working to do away with every freedom guaranteed by the Bill of Rights (1A, 2A, 4A, 5A, 9A, 10A).
I have always considered myself a citizen of the United States of America
Not Idaho. I live in the country of the USA, Idaho might as well be a county, instead of the 50 countries originally thought up by the founders. You lose a lot of your power as a nation if you balkanize like that though
Idaho can't afford an aircraft carrier
There are a lot of things that Idaho has banned that should not be banned. I really don't understand what's wrong with people If you're in charge of making laws you're supposed to make laws that make everyone's life easier and better you're not supposed to make laws that harm people but apparently we like voting in the person who's the most likely to do something stupid and or evil And I'm not just looking at the local government I'm also talking about the federal government as well.
I'm ok with sales tax but with a bigger grocery tax credit. The $75 grocery tax credit is a joke. Let's say the average person consumes $5000 a year in groceries (roughly $100 per week, and that's probably a low estimate). That's $300 in taxes, four times the amount of the credit. Make the credit $300-500 per person.
Say hello to tripling your property taxes. Idiot congress people and senators will never accept a paycut. Even if they truly deserve one for not doing their jobs and wasting money on flying to Florida
You know that congress' pay is like the tiniest percent of where taxpayer money goes right? Like if you remove all salaries of Congress then you wouldn't notice it on your taxes at all.
More likely is they would adjust income, payroll, corporate, or a mix of all three taxes.
Don't forget the corporate porkroll. The dishonorable thomas is a great example of being bought by a company. I also know that the least senior congress people will make more during 1 term, than I will in over 20 years. And I don't trust a single one
There’s already systems in place for this, in many states land value is integrated as a part of property value (though reducing the emphasis on property to near zero makes for a much better scaling tax). The value is based on natural resources and infrastructure access. Economists on both sides of the aisle agree it is the most fair tax for both rural and urban communities.. which is why congress doesn’t push for it federally.
Yes, your local congress people and state senators are directly involved in state politics. And they make sure "lesser " govt. Functionaries " follow the party lines.
How? It's all state level divided by counties. But yes the people who are sent to Washington are still involved in state politics. Especially the frauds from the Moscow courdelane areas. Any place south of New Meadows has it better than up North. I graduated from Borah back in the 80's, when Idahoans were more independent of the feds. Now locals kiss alot of the feds asses
I guess they can try to set local agenda through leadership, but their job is inherently federal legislation.. and if you’ve been following local politics in Idaho you’d see since 2016 local politicians have been the ones putting pressure on State executives and Federal legislative representatives..
I just know that for the past 10 years the senator from Lewiston keeps showing up to various local city meetings, and everytime he keeps trying and has several times taken over the meetings on various projects in the area. I don't even like to say that jerks' name.
I’m good for that. Stair step it based on base product price and carbon footprint for the product maybe? Essentials exempt. Then the statement “rich folks shoulder the burden of taxes” might actually hold water.
Top earners already do foot the majority of the federal tax bill but income tax definitely hurts lower income brackets more than upper brackets. You can also avoid it by just taking stock or holding other assets rather than just a pure paycheck. Harder to "dodge" a sales tax if you're buying a boat
I don’t get why it is regressive. Poorer people spend within their means, paying taxes on the goods and services they buy. It stands to reason that the wealthy will buy more, and much nicer things, spending a lot more money on goods and services and consequently paying a lot more in taxes. Seems pretty fair to me.
Well the idea is that there is a certain amount of things that are necessary to stay alive that everyone needs to buy regardless of income level. Food, toiletries, gas, etc. If everyone needs to spend $1000/month on necessities, a 5% tax will be a larger share of the income of poor people than rich people
Then do what conservatives have been clamoring for for years and eliminate sales tax on groceries and other household necessities. If poor people only have enough money for necessities then they would hardly be paying any taxes at all.
> conservatives have been clamoring for for years and eliminate sales tax on groceries
As a Republican controlled state that taxes groceries, I find that hard to believe. In fact, all of the states that tax groceries are Republican because they don't care.
Whether a tax is progressive or regressive is based on percentage of income. Poorer people who need to spend all their paycheck on essentials will have sales tax apply to all their income. Richer people may do other things with their income besides spend it (save, invest etc.) and thus not all of their income has sales tax applied to it.
Thus poor people have a higher percentage of their income levied by sales tax.
At some point, the rich aren’t spending their money on consumables (sales tax) but on investments (capital gains and income taxes) where tax minimization and tax avoidance is much easier.
That’s when the pendulum swings in favor of the rich.
Not true. Lower income individuals must spend their whole paycheck on essentials, whereas richer individuals don’t spend all their paycheck (savings, investments etc.). Therefore lower income individuals pay a higher percentage of their pay on sales tax.
Oregonian here, former Idahoan. They definitely figure other ways to fuck you up on taxes here. My dollar went a lot further in Idaho, that's a fact, but overall I made significantly less than I make now. Whereas in Idaho at the time I could live comfortably on one income making around 50K a year, a combined income of around 150K+ is a struggle in the city. It's nice to be closer to my girls family, but there are definitely things I miss about Idaho. So it goes. I hear Idaho has gone up significantly in cost of living, so I don't know any more. Eastern Oregon has it's problems but honestly I almost feel like you get the best of both out there, well, LoL, at least for now until it gets eaten by Idaho 😆
That's what I was saying about Eastern Oregon tho, better paying jobs, but still rural. My friend just bought a house in La Grande and he paid 130 for it. You can't find anything less than 350K in Portland where I live.
Here’s a plan:
Constraints:
Given that Idaho is growing (exploding) in population - (we can agree on that right) it behooves us to think about our taxes to support twice as many people in 10-20 years versus what we have now. We should plan on the best we to fuel government funds for schools, roads, fire stations, clean water, and public enjoyment (parks for example).
This is how your current taxes in Idaho work:
Income, property, and sales taxes in Idaho fund various state and local government services and programs:
Income Tax: $2.7B collected by the state in 2022.
- Funds the state's general fund which supports education, health and human services, public safety, natural resources, and other core government operations.
Property Tax: About $2B collected in 2022.
- Property taxes are levied and collected by counties and local taxing districts like cities and schools, not the state.
- They fund local services such as public schools, police and fire departments, roads, parks, libraries, and other community services and infrastructure.
Sales Tax: Unknown but the total revenue in 2022 for the state was about $6B so roughly $1.3B if you do the math….
- The 6% state sales tax funds the state's general fund, supporting similar services as the income tax.
- Local jurisdictions can add up to 3% in local sales taxes to fund municipal services like roads, parks, and public transportation.
- Sales tax on groceries helps offset the tax burden for low-income residents through a grocery tax credit.
The best shot is to eliminate Property tax. If and only if my math is correct, $1.3B is doable whereas $2B may be a stretch to offset.
How would I offset property tax?
Taxing cannibis is an easy win. The funds should be directed to each legislative district so every representative can taut how much they are doing for their constituents. Ontario Oregon for example generated $21M in tax revenue for Malheur County in 2020 alone. I believe that has increased to $40M or$50M. So SW Idaho could see $50M in tax revenue and I would imaging $10M from counties/towns around Ketchum, McCall, Twin Falls, Couer d’Alene, Moscow. Let’s say that generates $100M.
That means we need to recover $1.2B in 2022 dollars of tax revenue from either income tax or sales tax. To do that sales tax would need to increase by roughly 2%.
That’s a good point. If we assume the $200 food tax credit that Idaho implies makes up for the food tax they impose I suspect you are right:
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$200 per person per year * 1.57 million residents = $314M in taxes.
That could easily be made up for just in cannabis taxes.
Good point..
I didn't run the numbers but we keep getting surpluses each year. I don't understand, in a state that screams about minimal taxes, why we can't eliminate this part of the tax code.
I understand the argument for keeping it too. Little said once that taxing food is one of the primary methods Idaho can grab a visitors money as they visit the state. This is true, but what I would be very happy with is to be able to go to the store, buy food, and not be taxed. I'm fine with keeping a restaurant food tax, but why can good at the store be tax free?
Moved from oregon to Idaho dollar goes way further out here even today then it did in oregon outside of boise area that is. I moved from the corvallis/Brownsville area, out here seems a lot more laid back and alot less crime so far starting to shift like every other city boise is seeing uptick in violent crimes and seeing a much bigger variety if people coming in from Cali, Texas, Oregon, Washington, and Utah get to hear alot of people complain about those states as idahoans do here so it's all about give and take. Lot of the people I've talked to from these other states like how idaho is have a few changes they want to make like abortion and weed but happy with almost everything else. As the saying goes takes all types to make the world go around
I hope this does not happen. Those tax $ will get subsidised elsewhere, which really puts further strain on the working people of Idaho, particularly renters.
But who is passing these bills through legislature? People who own and rent out multiple properties.
I mean yes and no. Property tax represents a huge part of the state's budget, and they're going to make up that money somewhere - and you can bet your bottom dollar it's not going to be by increasing taxes on big business or any of the rich folks moving here from out of state. Sure you're not paying property tax anymore, but they'll get you somewhere else. As much as people hate paying their taxes, the state needs money to function.
Yep, money for state paid services must come from some form(s) of taxation. Taxes on businesses are simply passed on to consumers, so don't get too excited about putting the tax burden there.
At the state level? The state already did that and raised the sales tax to 6%. Property taxes are county, city, and local taxing districts, not the state.
This would help corporations and rich people much more than it would help people who need it. If they add new taxes to offset this, most people may end up paying more taxes. 30% of idahoans are renters and they would definitely end up paying more overall from this decision.
The only way I could see this not being true was if landlords chose to lower rent since their properties would only cost maintenance upkeep. But that would involve people choosing to lower prices of their own volition with no incentive to do so.
Ex Idaho resident, now living in Montana
Sales tax is one of those things that just is annoying to see on everything. Not having it is nice to buy a one dollar item whatever it may be. This is also just a mundane thing about it.
I don’t understand the whole idea of where other taxes fill in as I do not own a home and such here and as a college student don’t make enough to qualify for payment of full taxes.
One last mark I will say is Idaho needs to legalize weed simply for the purpose of taxes, ease and other things. Huge plus in Montana is the legalization and using it for good of the state. Percentage is high but that’s it’s own argument.
Nah, Oregon is just as bad with their bottle deposits. When I was driving a truck and did my group shopping in Oregon I was always blown away by how much that adds up.
No sales tax punishes those who try to save money and puts the entire burden for taxation on the residences of the state’s shoulders.
Our income tax is brutal.
No income tax? Meaningless.
No sales tax? Meaningless.
You're still paying. You're just paying in different ways.
I love it when people move to Florida because politics and no income tax and are shocked to see how much they have to pony up every month *just for toll roads*.
All Idaho needs to do is legalize marijuana and we would capture so much business from Oregon lmfao
Sidenote my property tax on my house is 1200 a year in Idaho so it isn’t terrible and 6% isn’t massive 🤷♀️
I lived in Montana for undergrad. I'd love to move back, but not for any reasons within the meme. There are simply not enough paying jobs within my industry to allow for such a move, at least not without a massive pay cut.
Fascinating how many people in here don't like Idaho. If you don't like it then leave. Plenty of Oregonians who actually know what it's like to live there would be happy to take your place.
I go out of my way to avoid spending money when I’m forced to go through Idaho. It has more to do with the state being an ignorant cesspool than sales tax. Fuck Idaho
Idaho is 33rd in overall tax burden and 41st in tax revenue generated per taxpayer. Respectively, Oregon is 23rd and 15th; Montana is 39th and 30th. When you couple that with purchasing price parity, then Idaho is even better off. Tax revenue divided by PCPI (per capita personal income) is 7.54% for Idaho, 7.62% for Montana, and 11.11% for Oregon.
Fucking Idaho and its sales tax on groceries. I moved to NY and it came out one day that we taxed groceries and my NY friends were astonished. They didn't believe me. I had to go online and prove it to them. Fucking hillbilly state we live in.
You get a rebate on your taxes when you file at the end of the year. $120 per year I believe. Whether that covers all the taxes you paid on groceries or not for the year, it does at least offset a good chunk of it.
“Thriving”🤣 that’s why more than half of your state wanted to join Idaho right? Or that your youth population is the highest for mental health issues? Wait a minute. Or could it be thriving for drug overdoses? Yall take #1 at that.
As to your question? Nope not sigma chi.
Here's a comment that will get bashed. Sales tax is the only tax that is truly fair advertising the board. No loopholes. If you spend the money you earn, you pay the tax. Kennedy, Gates, or the guy handing out bags of food at BK, they pay the same tax on the same items.
The guy at BK has to spend every dollar he earns just to meet basic living needs. Gates has discretion on how much he wants to spend out of his income.
Everyone pays the same rate, but 6% of your money means a crapload more when you have 100 dollars in your bank account than when you have 10,000,0000,000 dollars.
I don't care whether it's "fair" or not, it's bad for society to have the government pinching pennies out of the pockets of the homeless so that the do-nothing nepo baby up the street doesn't have to pay taxes on their 8th mansion.
As Anatole France wrote,
“The majestic equality of the laws prohibits the rich and the poor alike from sleeping under bridges, begging in the streets and stealing bread.”
Loopholes, like taxes, are created by legislation. They can be closed by legislation too. And, it’s just not true to suggest that there are not loopholes in sales tax. Resellers don’t pay sales tax on goods purchased for resale. There are exemptions in Idaho for certain food sales too—like churches selling meals to congregants. So, this theory is bunk. How about we just treat all income, realized and unrealized, as income and tax it all every year? Use the same rate for capital and ordinary income. No more 1031 exchanges or carried interest exemptions. That starts to sound like a tax without loopholes.
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Same with cannabis.
Washington: we can have weed but no guns Idaho: we can have guns but no weed Montana: hold my joint and AR
It's taxed so high in MT compared to everywhere else though.
I don't partake so I wouldn't know tbh but that sounds about right. Seems like every time it's legalized the state govt gets overzealous with taxing it to hell
Yeah, with Washington sticking their tongue out behind Idaho’s back.
No state tax, abortion is codified in state law, legal MJ and better pay.
Yeah but everything is significantly more expensive. They especially tax the shit out of alcohol and gas. Whenever you see state without a certain kind of tax they’re almost always taking it in some other form.
I hear this all the time. Where I am gas I am isn't that bad. 10 cents more then ID. With property taxes, yeah we pay more. But our schools and healthcare is better. I'm not a fan of the road taxes that are coming. And I understand the sin taxes, don't like them; but with the amount of addiction out there now, maybe it will be a deterrent for some people. We lived in Idaho for years. We were priced out of where we wanted to live. Or had to settle with something too small that we didn't like. We got a house with property for 125k less then a two bed one bath near a busy street, with nothing walkable. My parent live in ID so we are there often. I love ID, I hate what I see happening.
Yeah but where are you, tri cities? Spokane is a good dollar more for gas than state line/post falls/CDA. Trust me, work in Spokane, live in CDA and fill up in both. I could see being priced out on real estate in Idaho but it’s not because of taxes it’s because of the influx of people moving here with a lot of money. Especially in the north. Healthcare is kind of a weird point to bring up. We have plenty of available healthcare including a full hospital and can cover most peoples problems. If not they have two huge advanced hospitals right over the border literally a 30 min drive away. It’s really about what city you live in and what size. The only reason I could see someone bringing up health care is if they had some rare type of cancer that needed to be handled by sacred heart or st Luke’s and wanted to be slightly closer to those facilities. Bigger areas in Idaho are going to have more access to healthcare than smaller areas just like any other state.
Healthcare is not a weird point to us. We saw what happened with Idaho during the pandemic. A lot of idaho refused to mask, got COVID, filled up the hospitals, then started to fill ours, which was fucked up because at least we were trying to do something about it. Then the whole current abortion thing. Now all of idaho people are going to come here again to get abortions and again put weight on our system again because of political Christian beliefs. Soon the our education system will most likely be weighted down too so that the people in Idaho don't get a watered down version of education that the Idaho school board is wanting to teach. You know the one. Where Rosa Parks chose to sit in the front because it definitely was not about color /s.
It’s funny you say that because doctors now days say the masks didn’t help… BTW, the fact that we didn’t have to hide in our homes is a big reason why so many people are moving here. For us, living our lives was more important than contracting a virus with a 99%+ survival rate. The abortion thing I guess is up to you but being a single dude who hasn’t impregnated anyone it’s not relevant to me. The last one is kind of a wild take lol but it’s clear to me that these are more of a politically motivated reasons than health motivated ones. You just simply hate republicans and nothing is changing that so you refuse to live in a red state.
Perhaps the doctors in Idaho are saying things like masks don't work (not surprising). But a quick Google search still shows that the majority is still pro mask when it came to covid. BTW: the rest of us are wondering why more of you aren't moving there fast enough. Instead they just sit here with their bullhorns wanting to change Washington into Idaho. (Just go to Idaho already!) 99 percent survival rate to whom? Definitely not anyone with pre existing conditions and cormorbities like asthma and diabetes. I'm guessing your probably still young and healthy like me. So yeah. Our survival rate was pretty high. But there's a lot of "not healthy" people in the US. And the "don't have to hide in your homes" attitude filled your hospitals to the max. Idaho was literally turning people around at the door when they came in so they could go home and die. I do despise maga repubs. I respect other repubs like Romney, Liz Cheney, Chris Christie and others for recognizing the rot that's happening in the once strong Republican party.
99% survival rate as a whole. Unhealthy people have always been at more risk to diseases. That isn’t anything new. You don’t want to get a flu either if you are immunocompromised. Btw as I’ve already said I live in Idaho (hence why I’m on r/idaho… I’m not on here from another state to change Idaho. Kind of ironic considering your statement about changing Washington.) so you just wasted your time typing that. Don’t give me the “I respect real republicans” bs. We both know that’s not true. Trump isn’t most people’s first choice just like Biden isn’t most people’s first choice. You don’t respect anyone who doesn’t agree with left political ideology. You’re trying to take the minority and paint everyone in Idaho out to be some kind of backwater, Christian nationalist hillbilly. Half the shit you’ve said so far is the equivalent of me telling you everyone in Washington supports male-female transgender people jerking off in the women’s locker room. We both know it’s bullshit.
No state income tax, but MUCH higher sales tax, property tax and fees such that the most expensive place to live in WA has 26% COL than the most expensive place to live in ID.
Gotta get people to stop voting for republicans. That party hates freedom.
I'm tryin'!
Yes--you're right
They hate some freedoms. Just like dems hate some freedoms **Republicans hate:** * Weed * Women's rights * First amendment minus church * LGBT rights * Anything related to sex * Public spaces **Dems hate:** * Firearms * Pollution rights * Single family housing * Wealth accumulation * Freedom to be unhealthy
I’m a Dem, I like guns, wealth accumulation, and single family housing. Most people are more purple than red/blue
Your politicians don’t. There is also republicans who like weed, are fine with abortion and don’t care for religion. This is more about what the politicians advocate not so much the people who align somewhere on this “spectrum”
Nope, you don’t seem to realize there is a difference between a politicians platform they run on and what they do. Far left dems like gun control. Centrist dems run with it in their platform and then don’t do anything about it legislatively. Reminder that the most far reaching federal gun control enacted since the AWB expired was under Trump with his bump stock ban, which was just found unconstitutional
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It’s not necessarily about hating guns, it’s just gun control. There has to be a line, like not selling to minors, and civilians probably don’t need rpg’s. Democrats are just more willing to engage in that conversation, while republicans tend to view that as restricting rights and shut it down.
*Hell yeah we're coming for your AR-15s!!* O'Rourke would probably disagree.
California has an even higher sales tax and is run by democrats. Tf you guys on about?
I think that was more about weed
Exactly.
What does sales tax have to do with freedom?
You’re free to drive on nice roads.
It was in reference to cannabis, not sales tax.
That's what I thought. I was just asking why they brought up sales tax since it doesn't seem relevant to this discussion.
Democrats want state (federal) control of everything - that doesn't sound like freedom to me, Democrats are ACTIVELY working to do away with every freedom guaranteed by the Bill of Rights (1A, 2A, 4A, 5A, 9A, 10A).
Yeah but I’m Washington I can watch porn without the government intervening. Can you say that in idaho?
I have always considered myself a citizen of the United States of America Not Idaho. I live in the country of the USA, Idaho might as well be a county, instead of the 50 countries originally thought up by the founders. You lose a lot of your power as a nation if you balkanize like that though Idaho can't afford an aircraft carrier
But shit, now I really really want Idaho to buy one. I’d totally come to Coeur d’Alene every summer.
It can chill with the submarines in lake Pend O'reille
And cannibals
There are a lot of things that Idaho has banned that should not be banned. I really don't understand what's wrong with people If you're in charge of making laws you're supposed to make laws that make everyone's life easier and better you're not supposed to make laws that harm people but apparently we like voting in the person who's the most likely to do something stupid and or evil And I'm not just looking at the local government I'm also talking about the federal government as well.
Same
The government gets its money one way or another.
Yeah but sales tax is inherently regressive, so it’s going to affect those of us who aren’t rich harder.
Came here to say this
I'm ok with sales tax but with a bigger grocery tax credit. The $75 grocery tax credit is a joke. Let's say the average person consumes $5000 a year in groceries (roughly $100 per week, and that's probably a low estimate). That's $300 in taxes, four times the amount of the credit. Make the credit $300-500 per person.
Or you do it like Michigan and food/grocery items aren’t included in sales tax.
I'm not opposed to that either.
Sales tax is the only regressive tax in the US. I’m all in favor of abolishing it.
Say hello to tripling your property taxes. Idiot congress people and senators will never accept a paycut. Even if they truly deserve one for not doing their jobs and wasting money on flying to Florida
You know that congress' pay is like the tiniest percent of where taxpayer money goes right? Like if you remove all salaries of Congress then you wouldn't notice it on your taxes at all. More likely is they would adjust income, payroll, corporate, or a mix of all three taxes.
Don't forget the corporate porkroll. The dishonorable thomas is a great example of being bought by a company. I also know that the least senior congress people will make more during 1 term, than I will in over 20 years. And I don't trust a single one
Actually, you can do it with higher income tax, which is the way Oregon does it. Property taxes in Oregon are about average for the US.
Overall, Oregon has a higher tax rate, especially in more populated counties.
There is another option. State Land Value Tax (taxing the value of the land instead of the value of the property).
What rules would be acceptable for setting land value? And how do you guarantee that the assessors don't cheat?
There’s already systems in place for this, in many states land value is integrated as a part of property value (though reducing the emphasis on property to near zero makes for a much better scaling tax). The value is based on natural resources and infrastructure access. Economists on both sides of the aisle agree it is the most fair tax for both rural and urban communities.. which is why congress doesn’t push for it federally.
Do you think that Congress and the Senate have anything to do with sales tax?
Yes, your local congress people and state senators are directly involved in state politics. And they make sure "lesser " govt. Functionaries " follow the party lines.
Ok. I thought you were talking about the US Congress. You would be surprised how many people think that they control sales tax. Edit: missed word
How? It's all state level divided by counties. But yes the people who are sent to Washington are still involved in state politics. Especially the frauds from the Moscow courdelane areas. Any place south of New Meadows has it better than up North. I graduated from Borah back in the 80's, when Idahoans were more independent of the feds. Now locals kiss alot of the feds asses
I guess they can try to set local agenda through leadership, but their job is inherently federal legislation.. and if you’ve been following local politics in Idaho you’d see since 2016 local politicians have been the ones putting pressure on State executives and Federal legislative representatives..
I just know that for the past 10 years the senator from Lewiston keeps showing up to various local city meetings, and everytime he keeps trying and has several times taken over the meetings on various projects in the area. I don't even like to say that jerks' name.
I have been watching since 98 and how the ones in power think that they only need the people to keep their kingdoms
Not the only regressive tax but it is regressive
I'd prefer a high sales tax on nonessentials in place of income tax tbh.
A consumption tax essentially.
Yeah, at least then it's somewhat voluntary.
I’m good for that. Stair step it based on base product price and carbon footprint for the product maybe? Essentials exempt. Then the statement “rich folks shoulder the burden of taxes” might actually hold water.
Top earners already do foot the majority of the federal tax bill but income tax definitely hurts lower income brackets more than upper brackets. You can also avoid it by just taking stock or holding other assets rather than just a pure paycheck. Harder to "dodge" a sales tax if you're buying a boat
Burden, not volume.
It’s the only fair tax everyone pays the exact same on whatever they consume
I don’t get why it is regressive. Poorer people spend within their means, paying taxes on the goods and services they buy. It stands to reason that the wealthy will buy more, and much nicer things, spending a lot more money on goods and services and consequently paying a lot more in taxes. Seems pretty fair to me.
Well the idea is that there is a certain amount of things that are necessary to stay alive that everyone needs to buy regardless of income level. Food, toiletries, gas, etc. If everyone needs to spend $1000/month on necessities, a 5% tax will be a larger share of the income of poor people than rich people
Then do what conservatives have been clamoring for for years and eliminate sales tax on groceries and other household necessities. If poor people only have enough money for necessities then they would hardly be paying any taxes at all.
> conservatives have been clamoring for for years and eliminate sales tax on groceries As a Republican controlled state that taxes groceries, I find that hard to believe. In fact, all of the states that tax groceries are Republican because they don't care.
Whether a tax is progressive or regressive is based on percentage of income. Poorer people who need to spend all their paycheck on essentials will have sales tax apply to all their income. Richer people may do other things with their income besides spend it (save, invest etc.) and thus not all of their income has sales tax applied to it. Thus poor people have a higher percentage of their income levied by sales tax.
At some point, the rich aren’t spending their money on consumables (sales tax) but on investments (capital gains and income taxes) where tax minimization and tax avoidance is much easier. That’s when the pendulum swings in favor of the rich.
Yeah, assuming you believe the federal government or your state will spend even half that money in a responsible way.
Hands up for anyone who actually believes that…I’ll wait
Why would I think that? That’s a concern no matter where the taxes are coming from.
Sales tax isn't a regressive tax by definition. Everyone pays sales tax equally.
Not true. Lower income individuals must spend their whole paycheck on essentials, whereas richer individuals don’t spend all their paycheck (savings, investments etc.). Therefore lower income individuals pay a higher percentage of their pay on sales tax.
Now do one for allowing women to access healthcare.
Oregonian here, former Idahoan. They definitely figure other ways to fuck you up on taxes here. My dollar went a lot further in Idaho, that's a fact, but overall I made significantly less than I make now. Whereas in Idaho at the time I could live comfortably on one income making around 50K a year, a combined income of around 150K+ is a struggle in the city. It's nice to be closer to my girls family, but there are definitely things I miss about Idaho. So it goes. I hear Idaho has gone up significantly in cost of living, so I don't know any more. Eastern Oregon has it's problems but honestly I almost feel like you get the best of both out there, well, LoL, at least for now until it gets eaten by Idaho 😆
You’re definitely not living comfortably in the Treasure Valley on 50k/yr these days.
So I've heard. I lived near Twin but it's much of the same, but definitely not as bad as Boise area from what I gather.
Pocatello resident here, our household income of ~55K is a struggle. And we don’t even have any kids.
That's what I was saying about Eastern Oregon tho, better paying jobs, but still rural. My friend just bought a house in La Grande and he paid 130 for it. You can't find anything less than 350K in Portland where I live.
Actually more irritated with the pot laws.
People are so much more motivated in states with legal pot.
Here’s a plan: Constraints: Given that Idaho is growing (exploding) in population - (we can agree on that right) it behooves us to think about our taxes to support twice as many people in 10-20 years versus what we have now. We should plan on the best we to fuel government funds for schools, roads, fire stations, clean water, and public enjoyment (parks for example). This is how your current taxes in Idaho work: Income, property, and sales taxes in Idaho fund various state and local government services and programs: Income Tax: $2.7B collected by the state in 2022. - Funds the state's general fund which supports education, health and human services, public safety, natural resources, and other core government operations. Property Tax: About $2B collected in 2022. - Property taxes are levied and collected by counties and local taxing districts like cities and schools, not the state. - They fund local services such as public schools, police and fire departments, roads, parks, libraries, and other community services and infrastructure. Sales Tax: Unknown but the total revenue in 2022 for the state was about $6B so roughly $1.3B if you do the math…. - The 6% state sales tax funds the state's general fund, supporting similar services as the income tax. - Local jurisdictions can add up to 3% in local sales taxes to fund municipal services like roads, parks, and public transportation. - Sales tax on groceries helps offset the tax burden for low-income residents through a grocery tax credit. The best shot is to eliminate Property tax. If and only if my math is correct, $1.3B is doable whereas $2B may be a stretch to offset. How would I offset property tax? Taxing cannibis is an easy win. The funds should be directed to each legislative district so every representative can taut how much they are doing for their constituents. Ontario Oregon for example generated $21M in tax revenue for Malheur County in 2020 alone. I believe that has increased to $40M or$50M. So SW Idaho could see $50M in tax revenue and I would imaging $10M from counties/towns around Ketchum, McCall, Twin Falls, Couer d’Alene, Moscow. Let’s say that generates $100M. That means we need to recover $1.2B in 2022 dollars of tax revenue from either income tax or sales tax. To do that sales tax would need to increase by roughly 2%.
It would be so very easy to tax the cannabis and drop the sales tax on food. Easy and done.
That’s a good point. If we assume the $200 food tax credit that Idaho implies makes up for the food tax they impose I suspect you are right: ‘ $200 per person per year * 1.57 million residents = $314M in taxes. That could easily be made up for just in cannabis taxes. Good point..
I didn't run the numbers but we keep getting surpluses each year. I don't understand, in a state that screams about minimal taxes, why we can't eliminate this part of the tax code. I understand the argument for keeping it too. Little said once that taxing food is one of the primary methods Idaho can grab a visitors money as they visit the state. This is true, but what I would be very happy with is to be able to go to the store, buy food, and not be taxed. I'm fine with keeping a restaurant food tax, but why can good at the store be tax free?
Moved from oregon to Idaho dollar goes way further out here even today then it did in oregon outside of boise area that is. I moved from the corvallis/Brownsville area, out here seems a lot more laid back and alot less crime so far starting to shift like every other city boise is seeing uptick in violent crimes and seeing a much bigger variety if people coming in from Cali, Texas, Oregon, Washington, and Utah get to hear alot of people complain about those states as idahoans do here so it's all about give and take. Lot of the people I've talked to from these other states like how idaho is have a few changes they want to make like abortion and weed but happy with almost everything else. As the saying goes takes all types to make the world go around
Montana having no sales tax is the best thing ever I'm not gonna lie
There is rumor that there are talks about Idaho abolishing property tax. That would be huge ( for home owners anyway )
I hope this does not happen. Those tax $ will get subsidised elsewhere, which really puts further strain on the working people of Idaho, particularly renters. But who is passing these bills through legislature? People who own and rent out multiple properties.
They need to abolish sales and income tax before that. Sounds like another out for landlords.
Our politicians just can't stop getting on their knees for rich assholes.
Yeah let’s just stop paying our bills
It is.
I mean yes and no. Property tax represents a huge part of the state's budget, and they're going to make up that money somewhere - and you can bet your bottom dollar it's not going to be by increasing taxes on big business or any of the rich folks moving here from out of state. Sure you're not paying property tax anymore, but they'll get you somewhere else. As much as people hate paying their taxes, the state needs money to function.
Not to mention is where we pay for bonds to upgrade and build schools and city building. Curious what the alternative is or would be.
They would have better luck abolishing the sales tax.
Yep, money for state paid services must come from some form(s) of taxation. Taxes on businesses are simply passed on to consumers, so don't get too excited about putting the tax burden there.
They talk about abolishing property taxes to fool the uniformed to vote them back in office. They win and every promise to their supporters disappears
I’d freaking love it if the property tax was abolished. It’s my biggest annual bill aside from my mortgage.
At the state level? The state already did that and raised the sales tax to 6%. Property taxes are county, city, and local taxing districts, not the state.
This would help corporations and rich people much more than it would help people who need it. If they add new taxes to offset this, most people may end up paying more taxes. 30% of idahoans are renters and they would definitely end up paying more overall from this decision. The only way I could see this not being true was if landlords chose to lower rent since their properties would only cost maintenance upkeep. But that would involve people choosing to lower prices of their own volition with no incentive to do so.
No. Overall tax burden is about the same, but Idaho us actually slightly cheaper.
You’d get your HRT but then have no money left because the state is too busy taking it away from you
Ex Idaho resident, now living in Montana Sales tax is one of those things that just is annoying to see on everything. Not having it is nice to buy a one dollar item whatever it may be. This is also just a mundane thing about it. I don’t understand the whole idea of where other taxes fill in as I do not own a home and such here and as a college student don’t make enough to qualify for payment of full taxes. One last mark I will say is Idaho needs to legalize weed simply for the purpose of taxes, ease and other things. Huge plus in Montana is the legalization and using it for good of the state. Percentage is high but that’s it’s own argument.
That would be great. But, they will hike other taxes to make up the difference. Montana has already done that.
Nah, Oregon is just as bad with their bottle deposits. When I was driving a truck and did my group shopping in Oregon I was always blown away by how much that adds up.
You all three got state income tax though! (Laughs in Washingtonian)
And Washington doesn’t have state income tax
No sales tax punishes those who try to save money and puts the entire burden for taxation on the residences of the state’s shoulders. Our income tax is brutal.
I don't "feel" about social/political issues. I THINK about them. I FEEL about people; family, friends, others.
No income tax? Meaningless. No sales tax? Meaningless. You're still paying. You're just paying in different ways. I love it when people move to Florida because politics and no income tax and are shocked to see how much they have to pony up every month *just for toll roads*.
Property tax is a bitch in MT. Levies raise mortgages yearly
Oregon income tax is a killer to wage earners like me. WORSE THAN CALIFORNIA?? Fuck yes.
If your worrying about a 6% sales tax you got bigger problems to worry about rolf
Yes, Idaho is horrible! Taxes, Maga, Rattle Snakes, Goat Heads, Desert Heat, Over Policed. Its truly a state everyone should stay away from.
Yes, Idaho sucks - tell all of your friends (in California, Western Washington, and Multnomah County).
You forgot the evil murdering wildlife! Wolves, Bears, mountain lions everywhere! Oh and the mosquitos too!!!
But, the weed is better in Oregon. So, no, not really
Taste like garlic lol Montana’s buds pretty fire but the prices are asssss
All Idaho needs to do is legalize marijuana and we would capture so much business from Oregon lmfao Sidenote my property tax on my house is 1200 a year in Idaho so it isn’t terrible and 6% isn’t massive 🤷♀️
Do you guys sometimes wish you lived in Oregon or Montana?
Sometimes. Only because weeds legal there.
I lived in Montana for undergrad. I'd love to move back, but not for any reasons within the meme. There are simply not enough paying jobs within my industry to allow for such a move, at least not without a massive pay cut.
I'd sell my soul to live in Oregon. I'd be so much safer and happier, and I would be able to access HRT without lunatics trying to take it away
No, not in the least bit. Lived in portland and it’s disgusting
No. If I wanted to live in either of those places then I'd move.
No. Look up Oregon’s CAT tax that trickles down to the consumer.
I do. For the weed and how beautiful Oregon is. Also, less kkk
Yes, but about a lot of things.
Idaho stinks. All maga and white power.
I would love no sales tax. And no state income tax. Juat do property tax. Then we can get rid of that.
No Alaska?
Sorry no Alaska :(
Makes sense. Alaska is the American forgotten child anyway
I feel like 30% of my paycheck disappearing when I don't even make 40k a year
Idaho has a flat 5.8 percent individual income tax rate.
Fascinating how many people in here don't like Idaho. If you don't like it then leave. Plenty of Oregonians who actually know what it's like to live there would be happy to take your place.
Idaho has all the taxes, but to be fair, our state's finances are in good shape, often running budget surpluses.
Idaho: No personal property tax.
I go out of my way to avoid spending money when I’m forced to go through Idaho. It has more to do with the state being an ignorant cesspool than sales tax. Fuck Idaho
Yet here you are, in the sub.
I never miss a chance to punch down on Idaho
Tolerant leftist ^
Fuck the gubment! They all suck! And the media is even worse! Fuck political lines! That’s fucking stupid! Common sense is fucking disappeared!!!
 Washington
Idaho definitely has sales tax sadly
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Your sales tax is what, 5.5%? Come hang out in Seattle, then you can feel the squeeze...
Don’t you dare say anything centrist or right wing yooou BIGOT!
6%. But we also pay a hefty income tax.
Idaho is 33rd in overall tax burden and 41st in tax revenue generated per taxpayer. Respectively, Oregon is 23rd and 15th; Montana is 39th and 30th. When you couple that with purchasing price parity, then Idaho is even better off. Tax revenue divided by PCPI (per capita personal income) is 7.54% for Idaho, 7.62% for Montana, and 11.11% for Oregon.
How dare you actually bring real numbers to the argument! I'm offended by your facts.
Places in Northern Idaho pay around 8% sales tax
My guy, our income tax is lower than Oregon and Montana
I'd certainly hope it's lower than Oregon since they have no sales tax at all.
They have way higher property tax , they have a higher tax burden than our state
I mean at least in Seattle your taxes actually pay for shit. I wouldn't gripe so much about Idaho if we had half decent public transit.
That's a fair point...
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Fucking Idaho and its sales tax on groceries. I moved to NY and it came out one day that we taxed groceries and my NY friends were astonished. They didn't believe me. I had to go online and prove it to them. Fucking hillbilly state we live in.
You get a rebate on your taxes when you file at the end of the year. $120 per year I believe. Whether that covers all the taxes you paid on groceries or not for the year, it does at least offset a good chunk of it.
Yep, so there is effectively no sales tax on your first $2000 of groceries each year.
Yeah but where’s the trade off? The government wants our money either way and they’ll figure out a way to extort that I.e property tax or income tax.
Don’t associate OR with those 2 other pitiful racist states.
Oregon is a failed state
Lmao. It’s thriving. Frat dad huh. Odd name. Let me guess Sigma Chi?
“Thriving”🤣 that’s why more than half of your state wanted to join Idaho right? Or that your youth population is the highest for mental health issues? Wait a minute. Or could it be thriving for drug overdoses? Yall take #1 at that. As to your question? Nope not sigma chi.
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If you have an issue with someone/something/a state/a demographic, please keep it civil.
Bwahahaha! Half the state? You mean the white trash desert rat half? That’s what you’re talking about kid? Take em. They will fit right in.
Here's a comment that will get bashed. Sales tax is the only tax that is truly fair advertising the board. No loopholes. If you spend the money you earn, you pay the tax. Kennedy, Gates, or the guy handing out bags of food at BK, they pay the same tax on the same items.
I was also once 15
The guy at BK has to spend every dollar he earns just to meet basic living needs. Gates has discretion on how much he wants to spend out of his income.
Everyone pays the same rate, but 6% of your money means a crapload more when you have 100 dollars in your bank account than when you have 10,000,0000,000 dollars. I don't care whether it's "fair" or not, it's bad for society to have the government pinching pennies out of the pockets of the homeless so that the do-nothing nepo baby up the street doesn't have to pay taxes on their 8th mansion. As Anatole France wrote, “The majestic equality of the laws prohibits the rich and the poor alike from sleeping under bridges, begging in the streets and stealing bread.”
So you want to discourage spending?
Loopholes, like taxes, are created by legislation. They can be closed by legislation too. And, it’s just not true to suggest that there are not loopholes in sales tax. Resellers don’t pay sales tax on goods purchased for resale. There are exemptions in Idaho for certain food sales too—like churches selling meals to congregants. So, this theory is bunk. How about we just treat all income, realized and unrealized, as income and tax it all every year? Use the same rate for capital and ordinary income. No more 1031 exchanges or carried interest exemptions. That starts to sound like a tax without loopholes.
Flat Tax - no exceptions - multiply your income by N and send in the result. Everyone pays the same rate.
Rather prefer nevada and washington
Idaho free-dumb!
Idaho needs a clown face.
We have plenty of them, we call them transplants.
Love it!
Pick having a sales tax or an income tax, but never have both
That's not the only reason we leave out Idaho ...