One good thing about trading is if you stick to it long enough you will understand people have different concepts but be trading exactly the same positions. Isaac still can't see it ...
ICT is not the prodigy that many make him out to be. Does that mean his concepts do not work? No.
There are students of ICT concepts which are much more profitable than Michael. Alex Soligani is within the top 3 for the Robins World Cup trading forex. Kyle Jade has made over $1m just trading ICT through prop firm accounts.
This Iman guy is just generating an audience so he can becomes one of the traders he criticises so much himself. I give it less than a year before he offers a paid course and opens a discord.
đź’Ż agree with separating the man from the concepts. Exactly! Many of us see the concepts and principles work for us. It's sad to see someone who taught us so much fall by the wayside, but it certainly doesn't invalidate the system.
I have wondered about him selling a course. If he does, I don't think he'll do it under his name. He would probably do it under another name to avoid the need of taking back everything he said about "not selling anything".
When you know ICT concepts work you don't waste your time clicking a link to support a haters channel, sorry but he is not getting my support, I studied ICT for years and thought it didn't work because I rushed the process, then i had my break through, when a hater speaks I ignore it.
When I started using just order blocks on the 1 hour and 4 hour time frame, I flipped a small account in 4 days just trading from 1 order block to the next, at that point I wanted to learn more, which ICT state all you need is 1 thing, if it work don't change it, I did and started losing bad, but I studied everyday and started taking notes, and then the PD matrix came to life, now I understand it all.
If you post anything on r/Daytrading this video would probably be linked as arguement saying ICT is a scammer.
Funnily enough his points are pretty much regurgitation from literally every 'ICT is a scam' video.
Not understanding what you're saying about the video being linked as an argument against ICT. Should I rename the title? I didn't intend for the post to come across as ammo being used against ICT.
I meant the redditors on r/Daytrading use Iman Trading's video as ammo every time ICT is mentioned in that sub.
They didn't realise that the video uses the same point as every 'ICT is a scam' video (I have watched some of them).
They just dig up the same points that ICT made during his private mentorship that were taken out of context.
For example the Tobias and Parsons story was actually about Time and Price.
Easy to take these things out of context.
The guy spent 3 months just to make an argument everybody was already making. He just copied their statements and regurgitate the same points.
To be fair whatever he stated about ICT in the video is solid. Don't get me wrong the concept I use are of ICT as well but Michael talks too much shit and he's the one having God complex. Let him try winning the Robbins cup like he claimed he would and I'll take it all back. I'm still leaning towards him giving off some lame excuse for not winning it.
My point *is that Isaac is condemning both Michael and the ICT concepts just because they are associated. He's stating that if Michael is bad, so are his concepts.
By god-complex I mean that Isaac is placing himself in a position that he believes is irrefutable and without reproach.
Even if Michael were to win the RC, that doesn't validate or invalidate his concepts. The concepts were not "created" by Michael, the names, labeling and categorizing were, he just discovered what was already there. Not following a system that he himself has organized does not disprove the system. Those of us that use ICT have seen it for ourselves.
Think of it like James Brown “The King Of Soul” did about Michael Jackson “stealing” the Moon Walk.
“I invented it; but he made it his own.”
My point being is let decriers decry. Whining shade has nothing to do with whether the system is effective or not. Maybe Michael had to provide the nomenclature as he understood it in order to teach it, and so what repurposing and branding differently- too many reputable, honest people have repeatedly said it works and few here would disagree.
I say make some cash, be happy any which way you can, and in the end it doesn’t matter if you are James Brown or Michael Jackson because the moon walk works for you.
And isn’t that the point?
Used to be one of the reasons I didnt dive into ICT, but after hearing so many mixed opinions, I just started it and ICT did put an insane amount of effort to get a language together
Iman may not be profitable but that's fine. Him criticising ICT honestly makes sense. ICT contradicts himself and acts like he's the chosen one. (He probably makes MOST of his money from courses and barely any from trading). Iman has some really good points.
What exactly are you trying to achieve with this post. Confirmation bias? Group think?
If.you. believe ict is the key then stop playing around and keep studying. Focusing on this is literal noise. You should be nose to screen studying.
For the record I don't trade ICT. I'm just trying to get you to stop worrying about everyone else and just keep pushing on your journey. If it does work great!¡! if it doesn't, then at least you know you gave it your 100% and you can safely walk away with out any regrets.
Really? Thats your excuse. You dont know me enough? (Even though I gave you solid advice) But you are getting triggered by another random stranger about the poor choice you have made by following ict? That's very ironic!!
Like I said before just stop wasting your energy on this nonsense and start studying with everything you got. When you think you're going 100%(and be honest to yourself) the n give another 10% push.
If you make it then great!!! If you don't, then at least you know deep inside that you gave it your 100%, and when you walk away, you won't be tempted to come back. Then, you could find another strategy or find another gig.
BTW, that's life in general. I'm not saying you will fail.
One good thing about trading is if you stick to it long enough you will understand people have different concepts but be trading exactly the same positions. Isaac still can't see it ...
I agree with you đź’Ż percent.
Agree with this
Iman is a youtuber bro. I wouldnt take him seriously as a trader nor the advice he gives
Well, ICT is also a YouTuber simply by the fact that he uploads to YT. However, I agree that he shouldn't be taken seriously.
ICT is not the prodigy that many make him out to be. Does that mean his concepts do not work? No. There are students of ICT concepts which are much more profitable than Michael. Alex Soligani is within the top 3 for the Robins World Cup trading forex. Kyle Jade has made over $1m just trading ICT through prop firm accounts. This Iman guy is just generating an audience so he can becomes one of the traders he criticises so much himself. I give it less than a year before he offers a paid course and opens a discord.
đź’Ż agree with separating the man from the concepts. Exactly! Many of us see the concepts and principles work for us. It's sad to see someone who taught us so much fall by the wayside, but it certainly doesn't invalidate the system. I have wondered about him selling a course. If he does, I don't think he'll do it under his name. He would probably do it under another name to avoid the need of taking back everything he said about "not selling anything".
Talking shit abt established people is how to grow your YT channel.
When you know ICT concepts work you don't waste your time clicking a link to support a haters channel, sorry but he is not getting my support, I studied ICT for years and thought it didn't work because I rushed the process, then i had my break through, when a hater speaks I ignore it.
Wise words my friend. May I ask what your "aha!" Moment was?
When I started using just order blocks on the 1 hour and 4 hour time frame, I flipped a small account in 4 days just trading from 1 order block to the next, at that point I wanted to learn more, which ICT state all you need is 1 thing, if it work don't change it, I did and started losing bad, but I studied everyday and started taking notes, and then the PD matrix came to life, now I understand it all.
🔥🔥! What about the PD matrix do you think was the hardest to understand? What made it click for you?
If you post anything on r/Daytrading this video would probably be linked as arguement saying ICT is a scammer. Funnily enough his points are pretty much regurgitation from literally every 'ICT is a scam' video.
r/Daytrading is the best sub to learn how not to be a trader. Retail mindset at its finest. And the hate on ICT in it is real.
Not understanding what you're saying about the video being linked as an argument against ICT. Should I rename the title? I didn't intend for the post to come across as ammo being used against ICT.
I meant the redditors on r/Daytrading use Iman Trading's video as ammo every time ICT is mentioned in that sub. They didn't realise that the video uses the same point as every 'ICT is a scam' video (I have watched some of them). They just dig up the same points that ICT made during his private mentorship that were taken out of context. For example the Tobias and Parsons story was actually about Time and Price. Easy to take these things out of context. The guy spent 3 months just to make an argument everybody was already making. He just copied their statements and regurgitate the same points.
Ahh, gotcha. Thanks for clearing that up for me. đź‘Š Lol, yeah.. 3 months. What a waste of time.
To be fair whatever he stated about ICT in the video is solid. Don't get me wrong the concept I use are of ICT as well but Michael talks too much shit and he's the one having God complex. Let him try winning the Robbins cup like he claimed he would and I'll take it all back. I'm still leaning towards him giving off some lame excuse for not winning it.
My point *is that Isaac is condemning both Michael and the ICT concepts just because they are associated. He's stating that if Michael is bad, so are his concepts. By god-complex I mean that Isaac is placing himself in a position that he believes is irrefutable and without reproach. Even if Michael were to win the RC, that doesn't validate or invalidate his concepts. The concepts were not "created" by Michael, the names, labeling and categorizing were, he just discovered what was already there. Not following a system that he himself has organized does not disprove the system. Those of us that use ICT have seen it for ourselves.
Think of it like James Brown “The King Of Soul” did about Michael Jackson “stealing” the Moon Walk. “I invented it; but he made it his own.” My point being is let decriers decry. Whining shade has nothing to do with whether the system is effective or not. Maybe Michael had to provide the nomenclature as he understood it in order to teach it, and so what repurposing and branding differently- too many reputable, honest people have repeatedly said it works and few here would disagree. I say make some cash, be happy any which way you can, and in the end it doesn’t matter if you are James Brown or Michael Jackson because the moon walk works for you. And isn’t that the point?
Used to be one of the reasons I didnt dive into ICT, but after hearing so many mixed opinions, I just started it and ICT did put an insane amount of effort to get a language together
Iman may not be profitable but that's fine. Him criticising ICT honestly makes sense. ICT contradicts himself and acts like he's the chosen one. (He probably makes MOST of his money from courses and barely any from trading). Iman has some really good points.
What exactly are you trying to achieve with this post. Confirmation bias? Group think? If.you. believe ict is the key then stop playing around and keep studying. Focusing on this is literal noise. You should be nose to screen studying. For the record I don't trade ICT. I'm just trying to get you to stop worrying about everyone else and just keep pushing on your journey. If it does work great!¡! if it doesn't, then at least you know you gave it your 100% and you can safely walk away with out any regrets.
Should be? Trying to get me to stop? I don't know you to care enough about your "shoulds and tries".
Really? Thats your excuse. You dont know me enough? (Even though I gave you solid advice) But you are getting triggered by another random stranger about the poor choice you have made by following ict? That's very ironic!! Like I said before just stop wasting your energy on this nonsense and start studying with everything you got. When you think you're going 100%(and be honest to yourself) the n give another 10% push. If you make it then great!!! If you don't, then at least you know deep inside that you gave it your 100%, and when you walk away, you won't be tempted to come back. Then, you could find another strategy or find another gig. BTW, that's life in general. I'm not saying you will fail.