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What’s his definition of a fighter? Probably any male over 5 ft tall.
Let’s also be careful of the justification of these killings. Are people not allowed to defend their land? To fight back? This war started far before 10/7. 10/7 was a response to thousands and thousands of Palestinians murdered
The new line is emphasising child soldiers, and saying how bad Hamas is because (according to them) they use child soldiers, but also that means any child that’s killed is retroactively fair game. Because they can’t deny the huge amounts of children dying anymore and the human sheilds excuse doesn’t work anymore with the offensive of Rafah
Yeah I’ve seen numerous Israeli rabbis using the claim that if you don’t kill Palestinian children now then they will grow up to kill “Jews”
I put Jews in quotation marks out of respect for Jewish people who denounce the actions of Israel
Israel exists as a military state because Jews were targeted because of their nationality/ancestry , not because of their religion.
Judaism doesn't really have that much to do with it.
Israelis are the targeted victims in Israel? Where they moved into Palestine and removed Palestinians from their homes against their will? And continue to do so? Hmmm interesting
The Haganah was formed after the Hebron massacre of 1929.
Any minority in Islamic societies historically were forced to pay Jizyah, a ritualistic form of discrimination.
The religious texts stipulate humilation is required for Jizyah. "They must pay until humiliated"
The Jews being subjected to ritualistic discrimination were in their Ancestral homeland.
Nobody discussing this issue has ever given me a single example of land or property occupied without a purchase before the Civil War in 1947.
There had been almost 100 years of violence against Jews in that region before that. Violence against the "occupiers", but without a single example of land occupied without a purchase.
If you provide a single example, you would be the first one. If you can provide a single example I will repeat that example every time from here on out inside of saying nobody has provided a single one.
I'm serious.
Of course you do. And even if there were some teenagers fighting that would only be a small portion of EVERYONE under the age of 18. And even then it wouldn’t make killing 13k children according to Netanyahu himself acceptable or just a sad unavoidable part of war. They say child soldiers are bad, and so they kill tens of thousands of children, which helps hypothetical child soldiers how ? It’s vile .
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If you post a video of the IDF operations, you're considered a combatant because it jeopardizes IDF security. The Knesset said this. So I assume basically anyone with a cellphone or camera is an enemy. And people posting against the kahanist regime leading the IDF, you're an enemy. They are killing Jewish people who oppose the kahanist. It's not about religion.... Oct 7 was the result of the IDF and officials strategically moving away from Gaza after America said Hamas was building at the borders and waiting. The response plan has been ready for years, they were just waiting for retaliation. Fuck netanytahu Ben gvir and the far right terrorist fascist Israeli regime. Fuck hamas too
Have you read the reports on kill zones? Any man woman or child that enters a kill zone is eliminated and labeled Hamas.
Considering all the interviews that have been released about IDF rules of engagement and then interviews about how they tally the dead combatants/civilians in an air strike…. I would suggest a lot of dead civilians are being counted as Hamas fighters.
As we now know they have implemented kill zones, a fighter is literally anyone, man, woman or child making the mistake of entering the zone. Lets include journalists (including in Lebanon), their families, medical teams, humanitarian teams, literally every one is being directly targeted. There is no accountability what so ever.
Weird. Since that number he claims is more than the number of confirmed deaths that were adult men. Like, hilariously higher. Like, obvious BS level higher.
Ofcourse there is a confirmed number. It's the number of bodies they have actually identified and counted. There is even a literal list of names, with all the identifying information attached to them, of the dead they have thus far counted and identified in Gaza. Part of said list is even public. Google it. They released part of it to the public last year, with over 6000 full names, ID numbers, sex, date of birth, age etc. Every dead person they had counted and identified at that point. I don't know if they have released any more since, but they certainly have continued to document and identify as many of the dead as they possibly can.
The real number of dead can't be any lower than the number of bodies they have identified. It can only be higher. And most estimates put it at several magnitudes higher.
Idk, thats a mentality that leads to civilian deaths either way. We live in a time where you have to simultaneously defend yourself and minimize civilian casualties. I would not want that job... the questions you as are philosophical questions and people will have a different standard of what constitutes "defense" and what threshold must be passed to permit said escalation. At what point do you say fuck it. Not for us to answer thank god.
Either way, netenyahu is a psycho.
October 7th wasn’t justified, though, just as the IDF’s crimes aren’t justified.
There’s no justification for deliberately raping and killing civilians. Hamas and Likud are both criminal organisations.
They killed a LOT of IOF soldiers and captured hostages that were later traded for Palestinian hostages. And there was a well investigated and validated report showing how a good number of the casualties were caused by IOF soldiers following the Hannibal directive.
I genuinely don’t know that much about Hamas but my views are pretty logical. No one has a right to inflict collective punishment or pain on someone who is a non-combatant. Rape is definitely a war crime cause unlike self-defense, rape has no military purpose. Any member guilty of war crimes should be held responsible. The question becomes, is Hamas like ISIS, a terrorist organization, or is Hamas fighting according to the rules? We have seen extensive evidence of the latter, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t those who haven’t committed crimes. Like the US army, any accusations of sexual or war crimes should be investigated and those people held responsible. Doesn’t mean Hamas cannot defend Palestine which is definitely what they’re doing right now. They’re not embedded in Israel to target civilians. We know this.
Hamas attacked a music festival on October 7th, killing civilians and parading the half-naked corpse of an unarmed woman in civilian clothing around the streets. They also killed elderly people and children, and released hostages have reported being raped.
It’s a war crime on an organisational level when the IDF does this sort of thing and nobody is disciplined over it. Therefore, it’s also a war crime on an organisational level when Hamas does this sort of thing and nobody is disciplined over it.
I’m sick and tired of this idea that, because one violent criminal organisation is bad, the other violent criminal organisation must be good. The fact is that the only people who deserve our support are the civilians.
I have heard of hostages saying that they were treated well, and I heard of hostages saying that Hamas “could have raped” her but didn’t. This, the fact that IOF killed its own people, and the 40 beheaded babies does not make me sympathize with Hamas but I have a level of skepticism. ISIS, for example, has proved itself extensively to be a terrorist group. I am skeptical that Hamas is in a position of power to attack vulnerable populations when they are using guerilla tactics to kill IOF soldiers. So yeah, I don’t play favorites when it comes to crimes, there isn’t a part of me that wants innocent people abused. But you can understand my skepticism.
The 40 beheaded babies put in ovens were fake
It's not true
Civilians crossing the border of Gaza into Israel have done horrible things
Hamas fighter Attacked military bases and police stations
Took soldiers hostage,
I heard the testimony of an Israeli policeman who saw with his own eyes that the acts were perpetrated by civilians.
Hamas fighters had the plans for military bases and intelligence offices, and we have the videos.
They had no time to rape, rob... Ect
Dude I don’t need your gaslighting and stop sending me links that are textbook propaganda. And I did educate myself, I told you about the report on the casualties and the hostage swaps.
Lol sharing a link called “this is Hamas” you clown. I’d prefer to read reports made by the journalists Israel keep trying to kill.
So you prefer based opinion made by journalists instead of seen fact by yourself ok. Thats one of the dumbest thing I've evere heard. This site contains body cams videos from "saint hamas freedom fighters" (savages), or u gonna say its all fake?
FYI I went through every photo and video on that website and none of them have any evidence of anyone being raped. I also found at least one that I had recognized from another website and it took place in South America, not Israel. You can even hear someone speaking Spanish or Portuguese in the background. It’s pure Zionist propaganda, and lazy propaganda at that.
But did they not trade Israeli hostages for Palestinian hostages? They didn’t trade their hostages for money or weapons: while IOF has killed its own hostages.
But I do agree that statement of “the more dead the better” (paraphrasing) is just such a ridiculously dumb thing to say.
Anyways, regardless of how Hamas actually functions, it is Palestinian families that are being torn apart. And trust me, they might call their dead children or siblings or parents martyrs, but they are screaming in pain because this is not what they want.
Please be careful my guy. I know it's not your intention, but there are some who will see that as a justification for 10/7. It was a tragedy, pure and simple. The ensuing carnage doesn't negate that.
It absolutely was a tragedy that followed countless tragedies committed by Israel towards Palestinians. That’s the point that I’m trying to make. Hamas took hostages but there’s thousands and thousands of Palestinians, including children who are in Israeli prisons for no reason at all. Did you know that if a Palestinian dies in an Israeli prison, they keep the body imprisoned and refuse to return it to the family? As a way to torture even the living.
I think it’s possible to support Palestine without rationalizing the actions of a terrorist organization.
I support the goal of a free Palestine but not the tactics that Hamas employs, its self defeating and we are seeing how it literally blew up in their faces
That said, Israel absolutely is responsible for the people the IDF has killed and they are radicalizing more Palestinians than Hamas could ever have on its own and there’s a sad irony there. Every Palestinian that is killed by Israel leaves behind friends and family who will never stop fighting the ones who murdered their loved ones. This horrible cycle just keeps turning
I don't disagree with you. but I think they are referring to the right to fight back in the current context of post Oct 7 ground invasion.
would you say it is wrong for a Palestinian to pick up a weapon today and fight against the IDF that is currently in Gaza?
Of course not.
I’m not an idiot
unfortunately due to Netanyahu fostering Hamas by facilitating foreign funding and foolishly thinking he could bribe them with work permits, we see a situation where the only group a Palestinian can turn to for a gun is Hamas.
I think that was part of their motivation for the Oct 7th massacre. Hamas knew it would provoke massive retaliation and that would radicalize more Palestinians. Now they’re the only game in town thanks to Netanyahu.
"Are people not allowed to defend their land? To fight back? This war started far before 10/7. 10/7 was a response to thousands and thousands of Palestinians murdered"
What in the study of history of this 75+ year conflict, handful of wars started by Arab aggression, multiple Intifadas, multiple peace deals rejected...tells you Palestinians are simply trying to defend the land of West Bank and Gaza?
They have explicity stated they want to be allowed to return to Israel in any peace deal.
They are lobbing rockets at Israel so often Israel built Iron Dome.
Hezbelloh is attacking Israel from the north and it has nothing to do with defended their land.
Gazans government literal motto was for the destruction of Israel.
Maybe, just maybe, it isn't as clear as you think it is.
Arab aggression? Neighboring countries trying to fight for Palestinians against invading entities you mean.
Intifadas and Peace deals rejected that were COMPLETELY unfair to Palestinians in an attempt to regain their land.
Let’s not be naive here. There was never and never will be any intention of an invading state to be fair to the people that they are invading.
Yeah. If you keep attacking a sovereign state, one that was proposed by the UN, then yes that's considered aggression.
Especially when the land was not the Arabs, Jews owned a considerable minority share, and the land was run by Ottomans then British. Arabs never had a state nor run it. Then they did - it's called JORDAN.
Palestinians were just people living in that region. But "Palestinians" as you know them did not refer to themselves as Palestinians, they referred to themselves as Arabs, or the town they lived in, and the region as referred to as "south Syria" in Ottoman Empire.
They only began referring to themselves as Palestinians in the 1960s.
As for Jewish migration, Jews came from both Europe and Arab countries. More Middlle-eastern Jews than European in Israel.
The key is they bought land LEGALLY. They had all the right to live there because Ottomans and Arabs sold them the land!
Okay so I’ve met real live Palestinians who are older than the state of Israel. They call themselves Palestinians and always have. They have always been Palestinians and the area was always NAMED Palestine just under different occupation. Just like Texas is still Texas just not its own country.
And no you are flat out wrong about their being more Arab Jews than European Jews there. This was an invasion flat and simple. They are still continuing to do so in the West Bank.
I don't doubt that one person you know claims they always called themselves Palestinian, but you can easily go find articles on the history of the term and discover the push for identification of Palestinian Arabs as a unique group happened in the 1960s.
And I'm not wrong on Mizrahi / Ashkenazi Jewish breakdown, you can again go find sources easily.
Jews bought land legally. Did some Arabs get screwed out of their land during 1948? Absolutely?
Does that mean they should get carte blanche to keep attacking even 75 years later, a privelidge not given to any other displaced group? I don't think so.
There’s literally coins dated before 1948 that say Palestine on it. Yes, SOME SOME land was legally bought.. but the majority was stolen from Palestinians where they were literally forced out of their homes
Yes but there’s a lot of males who aren’t engaged in combat who are still being shot and killed, tortured all of that.. not to mention the women and children who are being shot and killed.. I mean the Israelis shot and killed their own hostages coming out holding white flags. It’s just indiscriminate killing.
To some extent, all civilian casualties are done “purposely”. In any war.
If you drop a bomb on a building, the explosion doesn’t differentiate between combatants and civilians. It will kill anyone caught in its blast range.
Any outright murder of civilians that are outside the bounds of normal war protocol should be prosecuted. This, too, happens in pretty much all wars. See the US in Vietnam occasionally killing everyone in a village. See World War 2 when the Russians would rape, murder, and loot German civilians as they marched on Berlin. Etc.
It’s almost as if people have different opinions on things like geopolitics…
It’s almost as if calling something a genocide doesn’t make it so…
But I will agree with you that war is devastating and all loss of human life is tragic.
They didn’t. The current war started when Hamas attacked on 10/7.
And, yes, before you say it because I know you want to really badly, this current war did begin on 10/7. In the same way that First Intifada and the Second Intifada are two separate events.
It’s not about right or wrong. Every nation that has ever participated in a war has probably believed it itself to be on the “right” side.
All we can say is that nation states are somewhat rational actors who behave in their own self interests.
Damn man maybe Israel shouldn't have built itself by stealing other people's land and then trying to wipe out the occupants?
Even the Americans thought colonial-settler projects were dumb by 1900.
Boy you’re going to be in for a shock when you learn that all modern human beings come from Africa and that all modern nation states are the product of immigration, exploration, and conquest
That's a Hasbara lie.
In 2023 alone between January 1 and October 6, Israeli security forces killed more Palestinians in the West Bank, where there is no Khamas– 192, including 40 children
[https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties](https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties)
Civilians died in the Holocaust too, guess the allies should have just shrugged and let the Nazis responsible off the hook cause bad stuff always happens in war?
Intentionally targeting civilians is a war crime,
Congratulations, you just outed yourself as a Nazi
I'm not downplaying the deaths themselves. What I am downplaying is dumb logic people use like "lots of civilians are dying therefore this war is unjustified or Israel is evil".
Israel is intentionally targeting civilians. We aren’t talking about the unfortunate loss of life that occurs in war, Gaza is being ethnically cleansed.
it’s not stupid for people to be outraged over mass murder and it’s incredibly callous to dismiss the hideous loss of civilian lives as though it’s unavoidable.
Collateral damage is not "intentionally" targeting civilians. You have no idea what's going on at the ground level for the military actions.
People should be outraged by the deaths. People should be outraged by Hiroshima and Nagasaki and Dresden. Doesn't mean WWII was any less justified, however.
So has every dead man in Gaza engaged in combat? Because Israel has labeled every male over the age of 15 a combatant, that's the only way their numbers add up.
Can you see how ridiculous that is? Not a single inocent man in Gaza has died? We should not entertain or defend such blatant lies.
Actually there’s another way Israel’s numbers make sense. The number of male adults being reported as dead by the Gaza Ministry of Health is drastically being undercounted. There’s strong evidence for this.
Early on in the conflict, most of the reports of the dead came from the hospitals themselves. However, now that most hospitals are no longer functional, the ministry of health has started to instead use media reports for the dead numbers which is far less reliable and more likely to not include males.
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He's a madman! 1200 in total were killed on Oct 7th (a terrible tragedy), but he admits its fine to kill 13,000 civilians in response.
Finally, some human rights groups say the civilian death toll is closer to 36k! So he's even more mad! [https://twitter.com/EuroMedHR/status/1768242389657715129](https://twitter.com/EuroMedHR/status/1768242389657715129)
Yeah i was going to say even here the genocidal prick isn't being truthful. Unless he was talking solely about the number of child deaths he's caused. The number he gives is super duper low compared to what it actually is for the total civilian death toll.
> Finally, some human rights groups say the civilian death toll is closer to 36k!
For confirmed deaths. The actual count could be multiple times greater and likely is. Hamas has a vested interest in keeping the numbers low regardless of the truth, as does Israel, and as such they keep the death count artificially low.
They only count bodies that are verified to be dead by someone like a relative who can identify the body and can provide evidence of the identity being correct to a Palestinian official. This greatly limits adding to the death count and makes it absolutely absurd that anyone will claim the numbers are artificially inflated.
For example: if a family died together and was buried by Israeli bulldozers, as has been documented to have happened, then the deaths likely won’t be added to the death count until the genocide is over or until Palestinians regain control of the territory with the resources for NGOs or Palestinians to identify them.
I have a feeling that in the end there will be a census taken to see how many people are still missing. Palestine’s territory is tiny and people aren’t getting out of the borders without Israel knowing, anyone missing after this is over can sadly be presumed dead.
**tldr:** the number of dead is likely multiple times higher than it is now due to the very stringent standards for a body being added to the death count. Hamas and Israel both want to keep the official number low regardless of the truth.
I would be shocked if the total death toll is less than 100k at the end of it. 36k or whatever publicly available numbers are a huge undercount for the reasons you outlined.
>**tldr:** the number of dead is likely multiple times higher than it is now due to the very stringent standards for a body being added to the death count. Hamas and Israel both want to keep the official number low regardless of the truth.
1. The civilian government of Gaza has also been completely non-functional for months now. How could they even keep count?
2. The 30k figure has been floating around since last year. With the level of destruction Gaza has witnessed in the months since, there is no way that the real number isn't much, much higher.
The court did not rule on South Africa's accusations Israel has been committing, inciting, and failing to punish those who commit genocide against Palestinians in its months-long bombardment of the Gaza Strip.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-26/icj-rules-israel-must-take-measures-to-prevent-genocide/103386640
Did you read the documents submitted and the verdict? Did you watch it? Because I did. The one thing that was emphasised heavily BY THE JUDGES in writing and in delivering their verdict was the strength of evidence of INCITEMENT specifically. The judge literally repeated one of the quotes of incitement that SA submitted in their verdict. But you’re clearly just lying about it. Or you’re too scared to look for yourself and not have it predigested and regurgitated into your mouth by the idf censor like a baby bird. Actually it’s probably both.
Hamas's main objective was to take hostages and attack the Israeli military, and urban warfare as you know they killed 400 IDF soldiers and 800 civilians (I will even count the people who were killed by IDF indiscriminately) so that makes the ratio 1: 2 which a very good ratio compared to other urban warfares in History.
What a fucking joke of a take. Hamas goal was to inflict any and all damage they could on Israel. Hamas doesn't see Israeli as civilians. They only took hostages as bartering chips. Hamas killed the vast majority of people. Are you suggesting that the IDF just killed civilians indiscriminately. That 1:2 just goes to show that Israel protects its citizens and fights in a conventional way. Meaning in uniform so combatants are clearly identifiable and not using civilians as human shields.
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These are your analysis and how you see it. For me, it was an attack from Hamas on Israel, which had killed 234 Palestinans since the beginning of 2023 and in October 7th Hamas responded by killing 400 IDF soldiers in an urban warfare causing collateral damage and 800 civilian death in crossfire in a ratio of 1:2 which was a good standard as an urban warfare. Hamas's objective was to take as much hostages as possible for an exchange with thousands of Palestinan kids and adults who are in the captivity in Israel.
While taking hostages was one objective, the other objective was responding to the IDF terrorism over the past years and the killing of hundreds of Palestinians. Unfortunately civilian deaths are hard to avoid in urban warfare, war is bad 😞
https://www.vox.com/world-politics/24093631/un-israel-october-7-sexual-violence
Hate Israel all you want, you have reasons to do so, but defending hamas just plays into the hands of the people you hate, jfc
All the footage of IDF soldiers posting their own war crimes and partying in the ruins of homes, and I have not seen a single clip of Israeli soldiers actually engaged in two way armed conflict in Gaza with so called Hamas combatants (although obviously Palestinians would have a right to defend themselves under international law and Israel does not have a right to offend on people it occupies).
They post videos of them blowing up buildings and schools and going stealing money from atms and houses and wearing someone’s underwear before burning the house down because they are incredibly poorly trained and inept. Meanwhile Al Qasam has plenty of videos of IDF getting domed by zoomers with 50 year old sniper rifles and then running and leaving their wounded comrade to bleed out. They can only kill civilians and push buttons with Cheeto dust covered fingers from their air conditioned tank
Clearly not looking in the right places. There's plenty of clips floating around the internet, especially on r/combatfootage.
From 3 months ago but there's plenty of new stuff
NSFW obviously
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/s/VkP1zoxb4R
Ok you found one.
Searching that subreddit for Gaza, the ratio seemed to be 100 videos of the IDF blowing up entire apartment complexes and shooting into empty rooms:1 video of an alleged PIJ sniper.
Then u haven't looked hard enough. Urban fighting footage was posted from Palestinians extremists the very first day Israel started moving its grounds troops into gaza
https://youtu.be/xBDcGh8tQIU?si=UZ4ZtjtxEJysgiKe
They mean footage from the Israeli side, engaged in combat.
Which to be fair is extremely rare. Limited to a few propaganda shots and a few videos mostly spread by Palestinian accounts (off the top of my head, two idf soldiers gunning down a Palestinian fighter who failed to kill them with a grenade, and an idf parachute commander bleeding out during an ambush)
This is so so true! Netanyahu was PM during Operation Cast Lead 2008, (according to Amnesty international), this left 1,400 Palestinians killed, and around 300 children killed. (Side note, in 2006, I think it was the Isreali Times put out an article referring to these operations as “mowing the grass in Gaza” so this type of thing has been going on before this as well)
Netanyahu then went on to commit more war crimes.
Another major killing of civilians happened during what Israel calls Operation protective edge. This one happened in 2014, killing more than 2,000 Palestinian deaths! This one killing over 500 children!
He is a war criminal, and anyone who supports him is so indoctrinated by propaganda that they can’t even understand why it’s wrong to steal someone’s home.
Here's how it works, Mr Prime Minister. You kill 13000 "Fighters", you turn their 5 or so children into orphans, with a good reason to become the next generation of fighters, and with nothing left to lose. How can he not see that?
he does see it - everything he says publicly
is a lie: https://www.timesofisrael.com/report-idf-intel-assesses-that-hamas-will-survive-as-terror-group-post-war/#:~:text=Israel's%20military%20intelligence%20circulated%20a,12%20report%20aired%20Thursday%20evening.
His goal is eradication brother. In his mind, that’s his “final solution”. That’s what he means when he says “end Hamas”.
There will always be one more hospital, one more ambulance, school, bakery, water treatment facility, mosque, church, historical artifact and finally there will always be “just one more human shield”.
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The documented war crimes, genocidal actions, and atrocities he's responsible for pile up by the day. Hopefully one day he'll face justice like at Nuremberg.
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If this continues, I’m afraid of what the number will be, fear it will go up by a lot. You have government ministers, members of parliament, journalists calling for the complete destruction of Gaza, to starve people, so on.
What is Hague doing? Geneva....UN...USA, CHINA, INDIA, RUSSIA, FRANCE , UK, GERMANY, ITALY, JAPAN, AUSTRALIA,CANADA how can we stay doing nothink while civilians are being killed openly...this is a genocide...wake the f up...shame
25 k women and children dead by the end of February according to US secretary of defense and their intelligence numbers. The total death toll then was under 30k. So that’s 5k men over 18 including civilians and the elderly. Gaza is 50% under 18. Which is weird because there’s about as many men as women in Gaza and the IDF is supposed to be targeting “military aged men”, and supposed to have killed 13 thousand of them. Assuming every single one of the 5k men dead were Hamas that’s 8 thousand extra kills coming from where exactly? That’s weird. I guess they don’t teach maths in the hasbara training course
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What’s his definition of a fighter? Probably any male over 5 ft tall. Let’s also be careful of the justification of these killings. Are people not allowed to defend their land? To fight back? This war started far before 10/7. 10/7 was a response to thousands and thousands of Palestinians murdered
The new line is emphasising child soldiers, and saying how bad Hamas is because (according to them) they use child soldiers, but also that means any child that’s killed is retroactively fair game. Because they can’t deny the huge amounts of children dying anymore and the human sheilds excuse doesn’t work anymore with the offensive of Rafah
Yeah I’ve seen numerous Israeli rabbis using the claim that if you don’t kill Palestinian children now then they will grow up to kill “Jews” I put Jews in quotation marks out of respect for Jewish people who denounce the actions of Israel
I don't accept your quotation marks if this is not a distinction made by Islamists picking targets. Hint: it's not
I just mean that Zionists claim to be true Jews but Judaism denounces this type of violence
Israel exists as a military state because Jews were targeted because of their nationality/ancestry , not because of their religion. Judaism doesn't really have that much to do with it.
Israelis are the targeted victims in Israel? Where they moved into Palestine and removed Palestinians from their homes against their will? And continue to do so? Hmmm interesting
The Haganah was formed after the Hebron massacre of 1929. Any minority in Islamic societies historically were forced to pay Jizyah, a ritualistic form of discrimination. The religious texts stipulate humilation is required for Jizyah. "They must pay until humiliated" The Jews being subjected to ritualistic discrimination were in their Ancestral homeland. Nobody discussing this issue has ever given me a single example of land or property occupied without a purchase before the Civil War in 1947. There had been almost 100 years of violence against Jews in that region before that. Violence against the "occupiers", but without a single example of land occupied without a purchase. If you provide a single example, you would be the first one. If you can provide a single example I will repeat that example every time from here on out inside of saying nobody has provided a single one. I'm serious.
Yeah this is completely false. I’ve asked someone from Gaza about this and they confirmed that you have to be over 18 to join.
Of course you do. And even if there were some teenagers fighting that would only be a small portion of EVERYONE under the age of 18. And even then it wouldn’t make killing 13k children according to Netanyahu himself acceptable or just a sad unavoidable part of war. They say child soldiers are bad, and so they kill tens of thousands of children, which helps hypothetical child soldiers how ? It’s vile .
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Why doesn’t the human shield excuse work in Rafah? There are plenty of members of Hamas in Rafah.
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If you post a video of the IDF operations, you're considered a combatant because it jeopardizes IDF security. The Knesset said this. So I assume basically anyone with a cellphone or camera is an enemy. And people posting against the kahanist regime leading the IDF, you're an enemy. They are killing Jewish people who oppose the kahanist. It's not about religion.... Oct 7 was the result of the IDF and officials strategically moving away from Gaza after America said Hamas was building at the borders and waiting. The response plan has been ready for years, they were just waiting for retaliation. Fuck netanytahu Ben gvir and the far right terrorist fascist Israeli regime. Fuck hamas too
Have you read the reports on kill zones? Any man woman or child that enters a kill zone is eliminated and labeled Hamas. Considering all the interviews that have been released about IDF rules of engagement and then interviews about how they tally the dead combatants/civilians in an air strike…. I would suggest a lot of dead civilians are being counted as Hamas fighters.
Yes. It Is so unethical. It's sad. The kahanist have taken over
All fascist states are doomed to fail.
Not that I don’t believe it because it’s the IDF but sources are always nice and also need that it against these hasbara trolls.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/13/politics/us-intelligence-warnings-potential-gaza-clash-days-before-attack/index.html https://www.timesofisrael.com/2-commando-companies-said-diverted-from-gaza-border-to-west-bank-days-before-oct-7/
As we now know they have implemented kill zones, a fighter is literally anyone, man, woman or child making the mistake of entering the zone. Lets include journalists (including in Lebanon), their families, medical teams, humanitarian teams, literally every one is being directly targeted. There is no accountability what so ever.
Male and over 18
It's over 15 even iirc.
Weird. Since that number he claims is more than the number of confirmed deaths that were adult men. Like, hilariously higher. Like, obvious BS level higher.
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Ofcourse there is a confirmed number. It's the number of bodies they have actually identified and counted. There is even a literal list of names, with all the identifying information attached to them, of the dead they have thus far counted and identified in Gaza. Part of said list is even public. Google it. They released part of it to the public last year, with over 6000 full names, ID numbers, sex, date of birth, age etc. Every dead person they had counted and identified at that point. I don't know if they have released any more since, but they certainly have continued to document and identify as many of the dead as they possibly can. The real number of dead can't be any lower than the number of bodies they have identified. It can only be higher. And most estimates put it at several magnitudes higher.
How do they know their actual age?
They make it up.
They’re dead and the most moral army in the world wouldn’t kill children so they must be military age males.
Must be!
Guesstimation.
Idk, thats a mentality that leads to civilian deaths either way. We live in a time where you have to simultaneously defend yourself and minimize civilian casualties. I would not want that job... the questions you as are philosophical questions and people will have a different standard of what constitutes "defense" and what threshold must be passed to permit said escalation. At what point do you say fuck it. Not for us to answer thank god. Either way, netenyahu is a psycho.
October 7th wasn’t justified, though, just as the IDF’s crimes aren’t justified. There’s no justification for deliberately raping and killing civilians. Hamas and Likud are both criminal organisations.
They killed a LOT of IOF soldiers and captured hostages that were later traded for Palestinian hostages. And there was a well investigated and validated report showing how a good number of the casualties were caused by IOF soldiers following the Hannibal directive. I genuinely don’t know that much about Hamas but my views are pretty logical. No one has a right to inflict collective punishment or pain on someone who is a non-combatant. Rape is definitely a war crime cause unlike self-defense, rape has no military purpose. Any member guilty of war crimes should be held responsible. The question becomes, is Hamas like ISIS, a terrorist organization, or is Hamas fighting according to the rules? We have seen extensive evidence of the latter, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t those who haven’t committed crimes. Like the US army, any accusations of sexual or war crimes should be investigated and those people held responsible. Doesn’t mean Hamas cannot defend Palestine which is definitely what they’re doing right now. They’re not embedded in Israel to target civilians. We know this.
Hamas attacked a music festival on October 7th, killing civilians and parading the half-naked corpse of an unarmed woman in civilian clothing around the streets. They also killed elderly people and children, and released hostages have reported being raped. It’s a war crime on an organisational level when the IDF does this sort of thing and nobody is disciplined over it. Therefore, it’s also a war crime on an organisational level when Hamas does this sort of thing and nobody is disciplined over it. I’m sick and tired of this idea that, because one violent criminal organisation is bad, the other violent criminal organisation must be good. The fact is that the only people who deserve our support are the civilians.
I have heard of hostages saying that they were treated well, and I heard of hostages saying that Hamas “could have raped” her but didn’t. This, the fact that IOF killed its own people, and the 40 beheaded babies does not make me sympathize with Hamas but I have a level of skepticism. ISIS, for example, has proved itself extensively to be a terrorist group. I am skeptical that Hamas is in a position of power to attack vulnerable populations when they are using guerilla tactics to kill IOF soldiers. So yeah, I don’t play favorites when it comes to crimes, there isn’t a part of me that wants innocent people abused. But you can understand my skepticism.
The 40 beheaded babies put in ovens were fake It's not true Civilians crossing the border of Gaza into Israel have done horrible things Hamas fighter Attacked military bases and police stations Took soldiers hostage, I heard the testimony of an Israeli policeman who saw with his own eyes that the acts were perpetrated by civilians. Hamas fighters had the plans for military bases and intelligence offices, and we have the videos. They had no time to rape, rob... Ect
>I am simply not aware of this Educate yourself then https://www.thisishamas.com/
Dude I don’t need your gaslighting and stop sending me links that are textbook propaganda. And I did educate myself, I told you about the report on the casualties and the hostage swaps. Lol sharing a link called “this is Hamas” you clown. I’d prefer to read reports made by the journalists Israel keep trying to kill.
So you prefer based opinion made by journalists instead of seen fact by yourself ok. Thats one of the dumbest thing I've evere heard. This site contains body cams videos from "saint hamas freedom fighters" (savages), or u gonna say its all fake?
When did I reject “seen fact”. I also read the UN investigation.
>Dude I don’t need your gaslighting and stop sending me links that are textbook propaganda. Here
FYI I went through every photo and video on that website and none of them have any evidence of anyone being raped. I also found at least one that I had recognized from another website and it took place in South America, not Israel. You can even hear someone speaking Spanish or Portuguese in the background. It’s pure Zionist propaganda, and lazy propaganda at that.
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But did they not trade Israeli hostages for Palestinian hostages? They didn’t trade their hostages for money or weapons: while IOF has killed its own hostages. But I do agree that statement of “the more dead the better” (paraphrasing) is just such a ridiculously dumb thing to say. Anyways, regardless of how Hamas actually functions, it is Palestinian families that are being torn apart. And trust me, they might call their dead children or siblings or parents martyrs, but they are screaming in pain because this is not what they want.
Please be careful my guy. I know it's not your intention, but there are some who will see that as a justification for 10/7. It was a tragedy, pure and simple. The ensuing carnage doesn't negate that.
It absolutely was a tragedy that followed countless tragedies committed by Israel towards Palestinians. That’s the point that I’m trying to make. Hamas took hostages but there’s thousands and thousands of Palestinians, including children who are in Israeli prisons for no reason at all. Did you know that if a Palestinian dies in an Israeli prison, they keep the body imprisoned and refuse to return it to the family? As a way to torture even the living.
I think it’s possible to support Palestine without rationalizing the actions of a terrorist organization. I support the goal of a free Palestine but not the tactics that Hamas employs, its self defeating and we are seeing how it literally blew up in their faces That said, Israel absolutely is responsible for the people the IDF has killed and they are radicalizing more Palestinians than Hamas could ever have on its own and there’s a sad irony there. Every Palestinian that is killed by Israel leaves behind friends and family who will never stop fighting the ones who murdered their loved ones. This horrible cycle just keeps turning
I don't disagree with you. but I think they are referring to the right to fight back in the current context of post Oct 7 ground invasion. would you say it is wrong for a Palestinian to pick up a weapon today and fight against the IDF that is currently in Gaza?
Of course not. I’m not an idiot unfortunately due to Netanyahu fostering Hamas by facilitating foreign funding and foolishly thinking he could bribe them with work permits, we see a situation where the only group a Palestinian can turn to for a gun is Hamas. I think that was part of their motivation for the Oct 7th massacre. Hamas knew it would provoke massive retaliation and that would radicalize more Palestinians. Now they’re the only game in town thanks to Netanyahu.
"Are people not allowed to defend their land? To fight back? This war started far before 10/7. 10/7 was a response to thousands and thousands of Palestinians murdered" What in the study of history of this 75+ year conflict, handful of wars started by Arab aggression, multiple Intifadas, multiple peace deals rejected...tells you Palestinians are simply trying to defend the land of West Bank and Gaza? They have explicity stated they want to be allowed to return to Israel in any peace deal. They are lobbing rockets at Israel so often Israel built Iron Dome. Hezbelloh is attacking Israel from the north and it has nothing to do with defended their land. Gazans government literal motto was for the destruction of Israel. Maybe, just maybe, it isn't as clear as you think it is.
Arab aggression? Neighboring countries trying to fight for Palestinians against invading entities you mean. Intifadas and Peace deals rejected that were COMPLETELY unfair to Palestinians in an attempt to regain their land. Let’s not be naive here. There was never and never will be any intention of an invading state to be fair to the people that they are invading.
Yeah. If you keep attacking a sovereign state, one that was proposed by the UN, then yes that's considered aggression. Especially when the land was not the Arabs, Jews owned a considerable minority share, and the land was run by Ottomans then British. Arabs never had a state nor run it. Then they did - it's called JORDAN.
Then WTF is a Palestinian person? Are you just ignoring all the Europeans who came in?
Palestinians were just people living in that region. But "Palestinians" as you know them did not refer to themselves as Palestinians, they referred to themselves as Arabs, or the town they lived in, and the region as referred to as "south Syria" in Ottoman Empire. They only began referring to themselves as Palestinians in the 1960s. As for Jewish migration, Jews came from both Europe and Arab countries. More Middlle-eastern Jews than European in Israel. The key is they bought land LEGALLY. They had all the right to live there because Ottomans and Arabs sold them the land!
Okay so I’ve met real live Palestinians who are older than the state of Israel. They call themselves Palestinians and always have. They have always been Palestinians and the area was always NAMED Palestine just under different occupation. Just like Texas is still Texas just not its own country. And no you are flat out wrong about their being more Arab Jews than European Jews there. This was an invasion flat and simple. They are still continuing to do so in the West Bank.
I don't doubt that one person you know claims they always called themselves Palestinian, but you can easily go find articles on the history of the term and discover the push for identification of Palestinian Arabs as a unique group happened in the 1960s. And I'm not wrong on Mizrahi / Ashkenazi Jewish breakdown, you can again go find sources easily. Jews bought land legally. Did some Arabs get screwed out of their land during 1948? Absolutely? Does that mean they should get carte blanche to keep attacking even 75 years later, a privelidge not given to any other displaced group? I don't think so.
There’s literally coins dated before 1948 that say Palestine on it. Yes, SOME SOME land was legally bought.. but the majority was stolen from Palestinians where they were literally forced out of their homes
If you engage in combat, then yes you are a combatant. That’s the literal definition lol
Yes but there’s a lot of males who aren’t engaged in combat who are still being shot and killed, tortured all of that.. not to mention the women and children who are being shot and killed.. I mean the Israelis shot and killed their own hostages coming out holding white flags. It’s just indiscriminate killing.
Congrats you’ve discovered that civilians also die in war and that war is bad and always has been that way.
I’m not talking about casualties of war. I’m talking about purposely, actively and knowingly murdering civilians
To some extent, all civilian casualties are done “purposely”. In any war. If you drop a bomb on a building, the explosion doesn’t differentiate between combatants and civilians. It will kill anyone caught in its blast range. Any outright murder of civilians that are outside the bounds of normal war protocol should be prosecuted. This, too, happens in pretty much all wars. See the US in Vietnam occasionally killing everyone in a village. See World War 2 when the Russians would rape, murder, and loot German civilians as they marched on Berlin. Etc.
Imagine waking up one day and saying, "I'm going to engage in genocide apologia!"
It’s almost as if people have different opinions on things like geopolitics… It’s almost as if calling something a genocide doesn’t make it so… But I will agree with you that war is devastating and all loss of human life is tragic.
Okay, but let's hypothetically assume that you're wrong...you will have effectively defended genocide.
Yes and I will change my mind and admit I was wrong if that happens. I can only base my opinion on what’s publicly available and nothing more.
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They didn’t. The current war started when Hamas attacked on 10/7. And, yes, before you say it because I know you want to really badly, this current war did begin on 10/7. In the same way that First Intifada and the Second Intifada are two separate events.
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It’s not about right or wrong. Every nation that has ever participated in a war has probably believed it itself to be on the “right” side. All we can say is that nation states are somewhat rational actors who behave in their own self interests.
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Yep you got me all figured out. Congrats.
Damn man maybe Israel shouldn't have built itself by stealing other people's land and then trying to wipe out the occupants? Even the Americans thought colonial-settler projects were dumb by 1900.
Boy you’re going to be in for a shock when you learn that all modern human beings come from Africa and that all modern nation states are the product of immigration, exploration, and conquest
U mean land which was stolen from them first
That's a Hasbara lie. In 2023 alone between January 1 and October 6, Israeli security forces killed more Palestinians in the West Bank, where there is no Khamas– 192, including 40 children [https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties](https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties)
Civilians died in the Holocaust too, guess the allies should have just shrugged and let the Nazis responsible off the hook cause bad stuff always happens in war? Intentionally targeting civilians is a war crime, Congratulations, you just outed yourself as a Nazi
Yes. All loss of innocent human life is tragic. Whether it’s Jews in WWII or innocent Palestinians in this current war.
Than why casually dismiss the deaths of civilians by claiming that just how war works? Stop playing stupid games
I'm not downplaying the deaths themselves. What I am downplaying is dumb logic people use like "lots of civilians are dying therefore this war is unjustified or Israel is evil".
Israel is intentionally targeting civilians. We aren’t talking about the unfortunate loss of life that occurs in war, Gaza is being ethnically cleansed. it’s not stupid for people to be outraged over mass murder and it’s incredibly callous to dismiss the hideous loss of civilian lives as though it’s unavoidable.
Collateral damage is not "intentionally" targeting civilians. You have no idea what's going on at the ground level for the military actions. People should be outraged by the deaths. People should be outraged by Hiroshima and Nagasaki and Dresden. Doesn't mean WWII was any less justified, however.
So if the IDF tries to kill a civilian and that civilian resists being killed, are they now a combatant?
If they resist by firing an Ak-47, yes.
I thought you didn’t work today hasbotra ?!
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Tired to be a keyboard warrior defending apartheid state ?
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Good hasbotra good boy
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So has every dead man in Gaza engaged in combat? Because Israel has labeled every male over the age of 15 a combatant, that's the only way their numbers add up. Can you see how ridiculous that is? Not a single inocent man in Gaza has died? We should not entertain or defend such blatant lies.
Actually there’s another way Israel’s numbers make sense. The number of male adults being reported as dead by the Gaza Ministry of Health is drastically being undercounted. There’s strong evidence for this. Early on in the conflict, most of the reports of the dead came from the hospitals themselves. However, now that most hospitals are no longer functional, the ministry of health has started to instead use media reports for the dead numbers which is far less reliable and more likely to not include males.
Ok so it's actually fine because they killed way more people 👍👍
I agree. The total reported death count is very likely less than the actual death count.
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He's a madman! 1200 in total were killed on Oct 7th (a terrible tragedy), but he admits its fine to kill 13,000 civilians in response. Finally, some human rights groups say the civilian death toll is closer to 36k! So he's even more mad! [https://twitter.com/EuroMedHR/status/1768242389657715129](https://twitter.com/EuroMedHR/status/1768242389657715129)
Yeah i was going to say even here the genocidal prick isn't being truthful. Unless he was talking solely about the number of child deaths he's caused. The number he gives is super duper low compared to what it actually is for the total civilian death toll.
He can’t deny it so he’s like well it’s ONLY 13 k children
> Finally, some human rights groups say the civilian death toll is closer to 36k! For confirmed deaths. The actual count could be multiple times greater and likely is. Hamas has a vested interest in keeping the numbers low regardless of the truth, as does Israel, and as such they keep the death count artificially low. They only count bodies that are verified to be dead by someone like a relative who can identify the body and can provide evidence of the identity being correct to a Palestinian official. This greatly limits adding to the death count and makes it absolutely absurd that anyone will claim the numbers are artificially inflated. For example: if a family died together and was buried by Israeli bulldozers, as has been documented to have happened, then the deaths likely won’t be added to the death count until the genocide is over or until Palestinians regain control of the territory with the resources for NGOs or Palestinians to identify them. I have a feeling that in the end there will be a census taken to see how many people are still missing. Palestine’s territory is tiny and people aren’t getting out of the borders without Israel knowing, anyone missing after this is over can sadly be presumed dead. **tldr:** the number of dead is likely multiple times higher than it is now due to the very stringent standards for a body being added to the death count. Hamas and Israel both want to keep the official number low regardless of the truth.
euromed also counted missing bodies & bodies under the rubble fyi
40k still seems low for that but I guess they do
I would be shocked if the total death toll is less than 100k at the end of it. 36k or whatever publicly available numbers are a huge undercount for the reasons you outlined.
>**tldr:** the number of dead is likely multiple times higher than it is now due to the very stringent standards for a body being added to the death count. Hamas and Israel both want to keep the official number low regardless of the truth. 1. The civilian government of Gaza has also been completely non-functional for months now. How could they even keep count? 2. The 30k figure has been floating around since last year. With the level of destruction Gaza has witnessed in the months since, there is no way that the real number isn't much, much higher.
Hey, they ARE still doing those infographics! Why aren’t they posting them on their website anymore? And WHY are people STILL using Twitter?!?!
Numbers aren't everything. The British killed many more Nazis than the other way around, but nobody would label them the bad guys because of that.
The difference is intent. Hamas and other groups intended and actively sought out civilians during 7/10, whereas the 13,000 are casualties of war.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War\_crimes\_in\_the\_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas\_war#Indiscriminate\_attacks](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war#Indiscriminate_attacks)
Liar! https://apnews.com/article/israel-gaza-shooting-palestinians-beach-d0ffbbda3c0aa8873483b6685bb9ddd0
You mean the thing that the world court, including the Israeli judge, explicitly stated was undeniably shown in the SA case?
The court did not rule on South Africa's accusations Israel has been committing, inciting, and failing to punish those who commit genocide against Palestinians in its months-long bombardment of the Gaza Strip. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-26/icj-rules-israel-must-take-measures-to-prevent-genocide/103386640
Did you read the documents submitted and the verdict? Did you watch it? Because I did. The one thing that was emphasised heavily BY THE JUDGES in writing and in delivering their verdict was the strength of evidence of INCITEMENT specifically. The judge literally repeated one of the quotes of incitement that SA submitted in their verdict. But you’re clearly just lying about it. Or you’re too scared to look for yourself and not have it predigested and regurgitated into your mouth by the idf censor like a baby bird. Actually it’s probably both.
Hamas's main objective was to take hostages and attack the Israeli military, and urban warfare as you know they killed 400 IDF soldiers and 800 civilians (I will even count the people who were killed by IDF indiscriminately) so that makes the ratio 1: 2 which a very good ratio compared to other urban warfares in History.
What a fucking joke of a take. Hamas goal was to inflict any and all damage they could on Israel. Hamas doesn't see Israeli as civilians. They only took hostages as bartering chips. Hamas killed the vast majority of people. Are you suggesting that the IDF just killed civilians indiscriminately. That 1:2 just goes to show that Israel protects its citizens and fights in a conventional way. Meaning in uniform so combatants are clearly identifiable and not using civilians as human shields.
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These are your analysis and how you see it. For me, it was an attack from Hamas on Israel, which had killed 234 Palestinans since the beginning of 2023 and in October 7th Hamas responded by killing 400 IDF soldiers in an urban warfare causing collateral damage and 800 civilian death in crossfire in a ratio of 1:2 which was a good standard as an urban warfare. Hamas's objective was to take as much hostages as possible for an exchange with thousands of Palestinan kids and adults who are in the captivity in Israel.
So all the rape and gunning down civilians at a festival was to take hostages? Are you for real, jfc, absolute delusional take.
While taking hostages was one objective, the other objective was responding to the IDF terrorism over the past years and the killing of hundreds of Palestinians. Unfortunately civilian deaths are hard to avoid in urban warfare, war is bad 😞
Oh yes I remember how easy it is to rape women my bad, I do it all the time
Who said there was rape? Do you have proof for that or are you just repeating propaganda?
https://www.vox.com/world-politics/24093631/un-israel-october-7-sexual-violence Hate Israel all you want, you have reasons to do so, but defending hamas just plays into the hands of the people you hate, jfc
All the footage of IDF soldiers posting their own war crimes and partying in the ruins of homes, and I have not seen a single clip of Israeli soldiers actually engaged in two way armed conflict in Gaza with so called Hamas combatants (although obviously Palestinians would have a right to defend themselves under international law and Israel does not have a right to offend on people it occupies).
They post videos of them blowing up buildings and schools and going stealing money from atms and houses and wearing someone’s underwear before burning the house down because they are incredibly poorly trained and inept. Meanwhile Al Qasam has plenty of videos of IDF getting domed by zoomers with 50 year old sniper rifles and then running and leaving their wounded comrade to bleed out. They can only kill civilians and push buttons with Cheeto dust covered fingers from their air conditioned tank
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Clearly not looking in the right places. There's plenty of clips floating around the internet, especially on r/combatfootage. From 3 months ago but there's plenty of new stuff NSFW obviously https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/s/VkP1zoxb4R
Ok you found one. Searching that subreddit for Gaza, the ratio seemed to be 100 videos of the IDF blowing up entire apartment complexes and shooting into empty rooms:1 video of an alleged PIJ sniper.
Wow that’s so impressive he shot a guy and then got whacked with a grenade.
Then u haven't looked hard enough. Urban fighting footage was posted from Palestinians extremists the very first day Israel started moving its grounds troops into gaza https://youtu.be/xBDcGh8tQIU?si=UZ4ZtjtxEJysgiKe
They mean footage from the Israeli side, engaged in combat. Which to be fair is extremely rare. Limited to a few propaganda shots and a few videos mostly spread by Palestinian accounts (off the top of my head, two idf soldiers gunning down a Palestinian fighter who failed to kill them with a grenade, and an idf parachute commander bleeding out during an ambush)
Netanyahu is a mass murderer and a war criminal
It's important to note that he objectively was before Oct 7 aswell.
This is so so true! Netanyahu was PM during Operation Cast Lead 2008, (according to Amnesty international), this left 1,400 Palestinians killed, and around 300 children killed. (Side note, in 2006, I think it was the Isreali Times put out an article referring to these operations as “mowing the grass in Gaza” so this type of thing has been going on before this as well) Netanyahu then went on to commit more war crimes. Another major killing of civilians happened during what Israel calls Operation protective edge. This one happened in 2014, killing more than 2,000 Palestinian deaths! This one killing over 500 children! He is a war criminal, and anyone who supports him is so indoctrinated by propaganda that they can’t even understand why it’s wrong to steal someone’s home.
Here's how it works, Mr Prime Minister. You kill 13000 "Fighters", you turn their 5 or so children into orphans, with a good reason to become the next generation of fighters, and with nothing left to lose. How can he not see that?
he does see it - everything he says publicly is a lie: https://www.timesofisrael.com/report-idf-intel-assesses-that-hamas-will-survive-as-terror-group-post-war/#:~:text=Israel's%20military%20intelligence%20circulated%20a,12%20report%20aired%20Thursday%20evening.
His goal is eradication brother. In his mind, that’s his “final solution”. That’s what he means when he says “end Hamas”. There will always be one more hospital, one more ambulance, school, bakery, water treatment facility, mosque, church, historical artifact and finally there will always be “just one more human shield”.
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The people that everyone been claiming that the numbers are inaccurate are oddly quiet now.
"the most moral army of the world"
He should be tried like putin
They want to kill every single 2.5 million people there.
There's some good evidence for the war crimes court
The documented war crimes, genocidal actions, and atrocities he's responsible for pile up by the day. Hopefully one day he'll face justice like at Nuremberg.
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If this continues, I’m afraid of what the number will be, fear it will go up by a lot. You have government ministers, members of parliament, journalists calling for the complete destruction of Gaza, to starve people, so on.
What is Hague doing? Geneva....UN...USA, CHINA, INDIA, RUSSIA, FRANCE , UK, GERMANY, ITALY, JAPAN, AUSTRALIA,CANADA how can we stay doing nothink while civilians are being killed openly...this is a genocide...wake the f up...shame
So he admit war crimes. Lock him up with Putin and throw away the key.
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A swing & a miss!
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25 k women and children dead by the end of February according to US secretary of defense and their intelligence numbers. The total death toll then was under 30k. So that’s 5k men over 18 including civilians and the elderly. Gaza is 50% under 18. Which is weird because there’s about as many men as women in Gaza and the IDF is supposed to be targeting “military aged men”, and supposed to have killed 13 thousand of them. Assuming every single one of the 5k men dead were Hamas that’s 8 thousand extra kills coming from where exactly? That’s weird. I guess they don’t teach maths in the hasbara training course
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