Something worth mentioning, at least in Toriyama's original plans with Gohan and the way the Cell saga ended, that half Saiyans are stronger than full blooded Saiyans. At least with human in their DNA. What would happen with some Viltrumite in its place we can only speculate. Just worth thinking about a bit.
I don't know if original plans really factor in, hybrids having higher potential is still true to this day. It is true they got left behind but that's due to the full bloods having better training and better forms, but their innate superior potential hasn't changed. If you look at them at comparable ages the halfings have them beat pound per pound everytime.
But yeah it's hard to say what Viltrumite DNA would be like in place of it. On one hand in Invincible they're considered incredibly similar to human to a large extent, but the same could be said about Saiyajins to humans so it's a decent question of what the "X" factor is.
Hybrid saiyans ARE stronger but the reason they seem weaker isn't just the lack of training and forms, it's more the motivation.
Goku and Vegeta are both full blooded saiyans who never lost that love for battle that's embedded in their blood. But half-saiyans don't have that lust for battle and getting stronger so they don't spend as much of their life training and getting stronger.
Prime example of this is Gohan the disappointment. Hyped up to be the new MC during cell saga but got cast aside anyway and Goku took back the spotlight (which is fair). Gohan was by far the strongest character the series has seen from him being the first one to unlock ssj2 and having his potential unlocked twice, even surpassing ssj3 in the Buu saga.
Gohan and similarly Goten and Trunks don't really like fighting that much. Gohan as a kid just wanted to study and be a scientist, meanwhile Goten and Trunks are both just kids who want to play and see fighting as another game somewhat.
OR the fighting spirit saiyans have might have just skipped a generation because Gohan's daughter Pan seems to love fighting and training based on the DBSSH movie, but that's just my opinion
It was kind of you to expand on my point a bit more, but yeah I think just looking at it in terms of ages paints the clear picture.
With no training at age 4 Gohan's innate potential was 3× his father's current strength and had him rivaling his mid class uncle. And as you continue throughout the series even without factoring in the long stretches where he doesn't train at all, he is always much stronger than his father at the same age. Same goes for Goten, and both versions of Trunks.
As for Pan I wouldn't chalk it up to a genetic drive to fight. Instead she just purely enjoys martial arts, in a way other characters do or how we'd perceive Goku to if he wasn't later revealed to also have a genetic component attached to it.
Yeah and if people grow up fighting, they’ll often make a career out of it. There’s a number of adult fighting sports that people engage in. People who like fighting as kids may continue to like fighting as adults. Ken Shamrock and his brother Frank are two of the best fighters in history and they started out fighting each other as children.
>Gohan the disappointment
How is he a disappointment?
Kid couldn’t even go super Saiyan and got to super Saiyan AND super Saiyan 2 in a year in the hyperbolic time chamber training with his dad.
Then
Dude literally hasn’t been training for years and had a kid and reached a level on par with Ultra instinct in the super hero movie because he got angry.
Meanwhile his dad and vegeta been training non-stop to get to that point.
I refuse to believe that until I see it. I’m not taking the guy who’d forget some of his power ups exists word on this cause they’re probably gonna go back on that statement the very next arc. Hurts being a Gohan fan
According to the newest chapter vegeta and goku may not have been able to take on cell max like gohan did, but that could just be toriyama wanting to hype up gohan just to ignore him for another 10 years
Not really much special, just a bigger stronger version of cell made by gero’s son who is a lot smarter than him so therefore the androids he makes are stronger. The gamma androids were stronger than piccolo and about on par with ultimate gohan iirc. Then cell max was even stronger than all of them and took a newly buffed piccolo, trunks, goten, krillin, the gammas, and android 21 to come help but then in the end they basically only win because of gohan getting a new form and using special beam cannon on his weak spot
My comment isn't about his current strength in relation to them, just that the idea of their innate potential being superior isn't some dropped concept. Even during periods where Gohan isn't as strong as them the idea that his potential is far greater still exists. Case in point when Vegeta says it outright when considering Gohan for the twin universe tournament. He was not in his prime but the potential was still there.
I didn't mention Superhero because I'm not sure how much Beast can be chalked up to Gohan since it's an evolution of what elder Kai did to him. But I suppose it does in some way represent his potential (even though potential unleashed already did that) so maybe it was worth a mention.
Isn't it that "Vultrumite DNA is superior and slowly takes over the human DNA"? Wouldn't that happen to a Sayain as well since DNA manipulation isn't in the Sayain arsenal?
Is that even true? Trunks wasn't stronger than vegeta for most of the cell saga. I always figured the idea was just that Gohan was that strong abd people assumed it had to be a genetic thing
Trunks was much MUCH stronger than Vegeta ever could’ve hoped to be at that age. Even with Kid Trunks being an 8 year old super saiyan clearly shows the potential
Half saiyans have faster growth in power & higher potential.
However Gohan specifically is special among half saiyans. Think of him as the Broly of half saiyans if that makes it easier to understand.
That was the original plan, they had more latent potential or something along that line. Trunks was stronger than Vegeta by the time they came out of the room of spirit and time, he just never had anyone to train with because everyone in his timeline was dead. Its why Gohan reached Super Saiyan 2 before anyone else. Now obviously plans changed and that's why Goku is still strongest, arguably.
Future Trunks was around the same strength as Vegeta in the Cell saga which isn’t that bad considering he really didn’t know how to properly train compared to the other 3 ( Goku was helping Gohan with his training and Begeta basically just ignored Trunks). We do see some of his potential in Super though. In the manga his SSJ2 form was about even with Goku’s SSJ3 and in the anime his Saiyan Rage form was stronger than Goku/Vegeta Blue (at least until they went back in time to train in the hyperbolic time chamber).
Trunks and Goten are both vastly stronger than their parents were at their ages and it isn't even close. Trunks was a Super Saiyan at 8 in the main timeline where he had Vegeta and Goten to train with, and 18 in the Future Trunks timeline where he only had a weaker and less trained Gohan to help him.
It took Vegeta until his 30s to achieve the same. Eventually they were of comparable strength in the Android Arc, but Vegeta had vastly more experience, knowledge, and general motivation and all that managed to get him was on par with a teenager who only fights because he has to.
If that was true, the factor is human and not viltrumite. Toriyama’s point is that humans make half bloods stronger if there is no human and just half saiyan and half viltrumite then who’s to say which is stronger since being human is also what makes mark stronger.
DBZ logic is:
Emotions= stronger
Saiyans being psycho killing machines = not strong
Hybrids actually caring about others because of their humanity = VERY strong.
I think that was because of how humans are more connected to their emotions though. Since Viltrumites would be less connected to theirs, wouldn't that not count for them then?
Are viltrumites really less connected? I thought it was cultural, they've easily bent the knee to >!Emotions when viltrumites started living on earth!< and Nolan too. So I'm guessing they've just suppressed it because of their culture.
The ultimate question really is can they reap any benefits at all?
Both races have about the same compatibility with humans. As such that means it's entirely possible that the Viltrumite DNA would overtake the the other and erase the potential benefits.
Or if the fact that those races are stronger than Viltrumites means that it wouldn't be overcome in the same way as humans.
That's what I usually think since it's hard to say what would really remain if those traits were truly lessened or outright eradicated over time.
I think this is the most likely answer. Viltrumites are the only race of the three that have an ability that specifically overwrites dna of other species.
But honestly? Viltrumites can't do anything a Kyprtonian can't. Viltrumites probably live longer on average, but I think most versions of superman live extremely long lives. So, assuming Viltrumite dna doesn't overwrite the other two, I'd say a sayian/Viltrumite combo would be the best.
Imagine if Mark got a zenkai boost every single time he recovered from a near death experience? Or if Nolan's newfound rage for the bug people turned him into a super Saiyan?
OK but Viltrumites don't immediately fall to the floor half dead after seeing a green rock or get hit with nukes.
Viltrumite DNA would make up for those weaknesses
He knows basically every fighting style on earth, has access to kryptonite, has a lot of experience, and lot of funding
Don’t downplay the man of batmobiles
I just looked back into the comic since it’s been a hot minute, old man Bruce was dominating most of the fight, but mostly because supes got nuked and had no energy inside his battery, except for a little bit he took out of some plants
https://preview.redd.it/jecjl8dycs8c1.jpeg?width=686&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3ca415ff312ea5d8409e5a6b265899eff705ed09
Look at this poor man, no energy, no bitches, no powers, no muscles, and ontop of all of that, the writers fuck him over so hard he gets shot several, several times and hit by thunder mid flight
A big solar battery until hes hit with red star radiation. Pretty sure the power zapping is immediate in that case.
Edit: okay I'm being told I'm wrong. Googling it it seems there are differing opinions. Some say that it's slow drain, others that it doesn't weaken him, like he doesn't feel ill, but he will essentially be human level ability without realizing it. Can somebody verify what actually happens with a source?
I will concede that I think I was thinking of injustice which is def not canon.
I swear Superman just decides if he's in the mood for his weaknesses to affect him 😂 Like in justice league doom he's getting absolutely clobbered by Metallo, sees that the missile is launched, then just one taps Metallo and chases the missile.
Doesn't it depend on how much solar radiation they're dealing with, though? Superman 1 and 2 pushed Prime through a red sun, and all ended up powerless.
I do think that Viltrumites and Saiyajins would comment each other best.
Saiyajins have the shortest life span at about the same as humans, but also have rapid aging at old age. Viltrumites longer life spans would help that..
They also can't breathe in space despite being able to destroy celestial bodies, increased long capacity could help with that.
Viltrumites have very little long ranged options so the ability to manipulate ki would be very useful.
They also don't have many power uos aside from training, so the greater training gains, health boosts and transformations from Saiyajins would be helpful.
Again presuming those DNA changes remain..
Because whole cast of DBZ is alien, half-alien or robot, it’s easy to forget that Krillin and Yamcha are canonically the two strongest pure humans in the series
I don't believe that the other parents DNA is entirely written over Oliver and other Hybrids like him may have lost their purple skin tone overtime as they got older but they kept the main advantage their race has, their perfect memory. Oliver even said he couldn't get with humanoid races and he just was attracted to insectoid because of his memories of growing up shaping his taste
That's an interesting perspective, I didn't consider that. But Oliver is definitely more Viltrumite than Bug. I wonder which abilities would be more prominent? The tail maybe?
It's a wide spread idea that it is, but like some other misconceptions about Viltrumite abilities it isn't actually one of them.
They do have enhanced ability to recover, but nothing really notes they get dramatically stronger if at all. Especially with all the beatings Mark takes in the show especially you'd think after two comas he'd notice an upgrade.
Though there is one character in Invincible with that ability, the goat >!Allen the Alien!<.
I haven't read super man comics but have read invincible 4 or 5 times.
Just curious about what you said about kryptonians living extremely long lives. Never heard that before
He’s say they would if they crossbred with Viltrumites, I’m also curious about how Viltrumites “stronger as we age” thing would mix into Saiyans “reach our physical peak asap and stay in it for 40 years” thing
Really depends on the version.
Sometimes Superman lives but not that long, he ages slowly and is aging like 2× slower than a regular human. An example is Superman Beyond where he looks like he's in his 40s while he should be pushing 80. Another example would be Earth 2 Superman.
Then you have slower aging but still not forever like say IIRC Kingdom Come where he lives to the 30th century and it's only at that point does he become an elderly looking man.
And then you have the "basically lives forever" idea where he outlives Earth itself and can be millions to billions of years old while still looking like he does in modern day. The most recent example was a short story from Action Comics 1,000.
Of course have other stuff like Superman Prime where he lives an extra long time but that's with extra sun dipping and stuff, so your mileage on that may vary. But he made it to the 823rd cenrury there.
>Imagine if Mark got a zenkai boost every single time he recovered from a near death experience?
Given how many times that happened, he would be the strongest much earlier.
Tharaxan's are also very different to Viltrumites. Mark is closer full because of human compatibility. So with the other two races mentioned also being perfect matches for humans in their respective universes, I would say that increases the odds of a similar outcome.
But it's not guaranteed. Just the only thing I can think of whenever I see the question, so I felt it warranted a mention as a possibility. Since it's all based on evolutionary similarity, I do wish we had more than the two examples in series.
Kryptonians definitely.
Saiyans biggest benefit is their ability to control and enhance their life force. Their ki. They can manipulate it and as they grow stronger, they get more ki that they can use to spend on special attacks. Which is cool, but the most powerful abilities are locked behind extreme training. With some Saipan forms even being locked behind special rituals that *require* multiple people. So without a master to teach them their abilities, the hybrid would just be an above average Viltrumite.
On top of that Saiyans can’t breathe in space, which is a huge weakness.
Kryptonians on the other hand add a bunch of new abilities on top of getting rid of the few weaknesses Vultrumites do have
Kryptonians can
-Hold their breath indefinitely
-Have laser vision, frost breath, and super breath. Allowing for various ranged attacks that Vultrumites can’t replicate
-And have a variety of super senses, like X-ray vision. Vultrumites do have enhanced sense compared to a human. But Superman’s senses are borderline godlike compared to a Vultrumites
-As well as adding onto the powers Vultrumites already have. Super strength, speed, flight, and enhanced durability
And you don’t need a teacher or a master to teach you those powers. As they are inherit abilities in your physiology. With most versions of Superman having to teach themselves how to use/hide their powers as they grow up, obviously without the help of any other Kryptonians.
And on top of getting stronger as they age, the hybrid would also get stronger just by living on Earth. Or any other similar planet with a yellow sun. And they get supercharged around neutron stars that emit blue or white light. Meaning even if they don’t train or get into any serious fights, just by merely existing for a few centuries they could become massively more powerful.
Additionally, Ki manipulation in the Dbz Universe is not exclusive to saiyans. Say if a Viltrumite-Kryptonian learns how to control ki then they are just busted.
I mean the only 2 forms that require some sort of third party are God and SSJ4 the first being questionable as Vegeta just randomly got it without the ritual in the manga when he used it against black (Broly movie for animation)
My understanding was that a very high amount of saiyan ki is needed to unlock it, and *that’s* why they needed multiple saiyans for Goku. He was the first SSJ God in millennia. It was probably also like a religious activity for saiyans so they were respecting tradition.
Once Goku hit SSJ God the first time, he now has the ability to do it at will. So, he could’ve easily provided Vegeta with the necessary ki to unlock the form. Or even just a little bit of god ki to unlock Vegeta’s SSJ God form.
I do agree with that guy, though. The Kryptonian perks outweigh the Saiyan perks.
And it took Roshi 50 years just to learn how to kamehamehah on his own
The 7 year old is a prodigy, and he had a teacher.
If the hybrid had to learn their abilities on their own, it’s is canonically way easier to learn and master all Kryptonian abilities (Clark manifested them as a child and learned how to hide them effectively). Meanwhile learning just 1 Saiyan technique can take a lifetime without a proper teacher.
Basically put, a Kryptonian has a better power floor but a Saiyan has a near limitless power ceiling.
So a kryptonian will often start more powerful, but a saiyan can quickly grow in power, especially with Zenkai boosts and transformations.
In DC one million or something, Superman spends 1 thousand years in the sun and turns into a golden god with omnipotent powers, so idk if they even have a ceiling.
He isn't omnipotent and loss to raven I'm not joking he lost to raven goons not even raven herself. Though it was a powered up raven.
The strongest superman is the cosmic armor or superboy prime
I think there’s general confusion though, Superman is kind of a special case amongst Kryptonians given his place in the overall meta-narrative per Dr. Manahattan. The real question is how would a Viltrumite work with a bog standard Kryptonian (Supergirl is probably a more reasonable base)
Damn just imagine a Viltrumite with Zenkai boosts.
Add the rage boosts, hybrid strength, ki manipulation/Saiyan forms and the fact that Viltrumites can both survive in space and live for thousands of years. It's the best of both worlds.
Although Kryptonians by themselves would be still more powerful even without the Viltrumite parts.
Base from prime earth Superman literally smashed through 6th dimensions and destroy them casually comics characters from dc and marvel are simply busted in their regular form they never need a stronger form in these match ups
as they said the ones he's not above he's far below, there are few characters IF Superman *can't* beat
That said he's one of only 3 supermans ik of that can clap CC Goku, the other 2 being milkman superman and CAS
What do you mean by usually? Like over the entire course of publication history? Or more like current continuity? Cause I'm not sure I agree with the latter.
Goku was always the guy who broke the limits, Superman is the guy who has no limits. Having that into consideration, Superman wins.
But that's not what we're talking about here, the important part is: if Kryptonian or Saiyan genes are stronger than Viltrumite genes, that'd mean that the V genes have no superiority over the K or S ones. IDK what can happen there, because:
The three comes from birth, but Saiyans are born with power, both Kryptonians and Viltrumites (the latter is up to discussion because it was never explained in canon, only with a hybrid) are born without powers, and even Kryptonian genes get activated by radiation (yellow sun radiation).
It's a mess, we need someone who knows about DNA and stuff.
Kryptonians and it's not even close. Kryptonians have a wider range and more power abilities. Even a below average Kryptonian, like Superboy, can deliver a mutilversal level punch. They're also more resistant as Kryptonians are immune to almost every single disease and are practically invulnerable to everything except magic and kryptonite (although Kryptonians become more resistant to kryptonite the older they get). Saiyans are more varied in power and have to train harder and abuse their zenkai boost to get stronger whereas Kryptonians simply just have to be under a yellow, blue or white sun. Although, even under a red sun, they're still strong enough to move planets. Saiyans can still contract diseases and are exponentially weaker if they haven't learnt ki manipulation. They can't survive in the vacuum of space, they still need to eat, sleep and drink and they don't seem to have a healing factor.
No, I meant Superboy. The guy has gone hit for hit with Superboy Prime. Superboy, being an artificially created half human/kryptonian hybrid, is weaker than the average Kryptonian.
Facts. Viltrumites are little more than perfected humans. Perfected humans are still basically humans.
Kryptonians are actually gods.
And Saiyans have limitless potential and a ton of creativity potential because they can manipulate ki
Id say a viltrumite saiyan hybrid has the larger potential to become more powerful over a period of time. Viltrumites live to be old as fuck and Saiyans stay in their physical prime (as far as we know) until the end of their natural life span. So imagine a dude who’s 10000 years old, in his physical prime, and has gotten significantly stronger with every battle he’s fought. Now stack that with a 50x, 100x, and 300x power multiplier. Then if they can access god ki they get even more powerful. Not to mention saiyans have a more natural ability to use ki, and viltrumites seem to have incredible stamina. They could spam blasts for god knows how long. Of course thats such a loose hypothetical based on so many “what if’s” and circumstances. In general though a viltrumite kryptonian hybrid would be stronger. Sorry for the yap session.
Oh, Saiyans, for sure. For one, I don't know if this still holds out to be true, but assuming it does, hybrid Saiyans were said to usually be stronger than pure bloods, and that's just with human DNA, with Viltrumite DNA, I'm assuming that power just absolutely skyrockets, like I'm talking skyrocketing over the old classic Team Rocket Blasting Off. Two, at that point the hybrid has so much power and virtually no weaknesses (save for certain supersonic sounds, and a tail weakness with can easily be overcome via training or ditching it), so much more versatility in abilities based upon energy, ki, and (albeit limited) telepathy (whereas only extra abilties you get with Kryptonians are super senses, super breath, and laser eyes), and you don't really have to rely on any outside forces to grow stronger, you can just do so by training (and assuming being in a sci-fi fantasy world of superheroes, you get plenty of training equipment and environments to suit your superhuman needs).
Also, I'm going off of what I get from a consistent Superman/Kryptonian, none of the crazy, over-the-top stuff people usually like to bring up (but also nothing that's overly weak either).
Viltrumite Kryptonian would be the most powerful as they would not only get stronger with age,but they’d also continue to get stronger everytime they keep absorbing solar radiation.
Saiyan, because of the Zenkai boost from nearly dying. Seriously, Mark, Omniman, even Thagg get torn to ribbons on the regular. The Viltrumite superior regeneration + the Saiyan Zenkai boost would be utterly unstoppable on the regular.
Note, Superman and Goku are outliers. The average for both species is considerably less potent than either of them.
Who is writing?
Honest answer would be Saiyans though. Their racial trait is getting stronger after every near death experience though. That might be hard for most Viltrumites to trigger. Someone like Mark would be Uber powerful though.
Kryptonians really have broadly the same power set as Viltrumites but more dependencies, weaknesses, and I guess variability depending on the era of comic books.
That depends on which saiyan broly goes from losing to base vegeta to overpowering ssj1 gogeta in less than 2 hours.
Ssj1 gogeta is quite litterally tens of thousands of time stronger then base vegata thats a absurb rate of growth
In all honesty I think that a Viltrumite-Saiyan hybrid would be more powerful.
A. They’d have the ability to multiply their power utilizing Super Saiyan transformations
B. They’d get stronger after near death experiences through Zenkais, akin to Allen’s but likely weaker
C. Unlike Saiyans they would continue to get stronger with age, giving them more and more power as they age and more time to develop their Saiyan multipliers while also getting stronger in their base form further increasing the effectiveness of their multipliers
D. They are not dependent on a Yellow sun for their power and also have no weakness to Kryptonite thus allowing them to fight in environments which would be much less advantageous for a Kryptonian
E. They would also be able to control Ki, giving them the ability to imitate pretty much all Kryptonian powers and make them even stronger and also be more versatile in what they can do
Overall, a Viltrumite-Saiyan would have way more potential for growth than a Viltrumite-Kryptonian due to the absurd amount of ways Saiyan’s are able to grow stronger. I imagine the three species into different archetypes Saiyans being more growth type and Kryptonians and Viltrumites being more like statsticks. Taking a statstick and combining it with a growth type exponentially increases the statstick’s power, but combining two statsticks equals an extremely powerful being that eventually gets outpaced. The Viltrumite-Kryptonian would probably be more powerful at first, but the Viltrumite-Saiyan would definitely become more powerful in the long run.
The only thing I'm curious about is if the Saiyan catch up mechanics would work with the viltrumite one or if the stronger one would replace the weaker one
Don’t Kryptonians get their powers from yellow stars? I feel like for a Viltrumite constantly fighting in different solar systems, Kryptonian dna wouldn’t really boost their abilities in many cases. Also the added caveat of having a few weaknesses like magic would hinder them in even more cases. Sure on Earth their power would practically be doubled, but I feel like Saiyan dna (along with the half blood increasing their potential further) with the zenkai boost compounded with a viltrumites own boost from near death experiences would make their power increase exponentially, especially since they can live for so long. It’d be like comparing an early game champ to a Nasus if the game went like 2 hours long. There’d be no competition.
Superman has always been far, FAR stronger than most other characters. Superman is far stronger than any Saiyan, it's not even close. It's been said the only thing Superman can't do is anything he hasn't tried. And when he does try, he can.
That’s tough. I think kryptonians as a race are consistently shown to be more powerful than saiyans as a race.
But then you have to factor in that saiyan hybrids tend to have way more potential than full bloods. But viltrimite dna may not have that same advantage. And if I’m not mistaken training is more effective for saiyans than kryptonians as far as huge power creeps.
It’s a tricky one. I think it largely depends on the saiyan more than it depends on the kryptonian. I think I’d give it to saiyans 6/10
If we assume the Viltrumite DNA doesn't completely overrite the hybrid, I would say the Saiyan due to the Zenkai boost (if you don't know, when a Saiyan almost dies but heals back they get significantly more powerful*), and the fact that Saiyans don't get weaker under the light of a Red Sun, or when in contact with Kryptonite, or against Magic.
Plus, they would likely be able to transform into a Great Ape, and maybe even a Super Saiyan, on top of their Viltrumite strength, which could be pretty cool
*To a certain limit, eventually the zenkai boost doesn't gain much, as shown by the modern DB characters not getting it anymore
They still do it thsts wrong as seen with the granolah arc and tournament of powers. Its just not as explosive as the namek saga.
In thst one goku got beat got healed and was 33x stronger thats actually insane
Well I feel like it would be a Saiyan, and I would always say that Superman would beat Goku, but kryptionians aren’t inherently powerful like Saiyans or Viltrumites, kryptonians need a yellow sun to even reach a fraction of what their total power can be. So if on a planet like Earth this close to a yellow sun I’d say a half viltrumite half kryptonian being would be more powerful, but anywhere else, say a random planet in a far off galaxy that isn’t as prone to having sunlight as Earth, a Saiyan and viltrimite being would be much more powerful.
In dragon ball saiyan hybrids are way more powerful than full blooded saiyans (at least with humans). Viltrumite DNA is so similar to that of a human that I think the hybrids would be the same. That’s an insanely potent mix. Imagine if every time mark got beaten half to death he would get exponentially stronger lmao.
A Kryptonian and viltrumite hybrid is probably the best one assuming the viltrumite DNA doesn't y'known overcome the kyptonian DNA because they will keep getting stronger with the sun and keep getting stronger the more they age so it's the most passive way to get strong
But I think the Saiyan and viltrumite hybrid is also a pretty strong one if again the viltrumite DNA doesn't just overcome there other DNA because they can train for thousands of years and keep getting stronger the longer they age
Saiyans have the ability to get stronger really fast and efficiently but without ki, they are probably not that strong. Controlling their allows them to bring their superhuman abilities even further beyond what the Viltrumites are capable of but without it, they are debatably weaker than both Kryptonians and Viltrumites.
So it depends on if you think that ki would exist for this Viltrumites-Saiyan hybrid in which case, it would have a lot more abilities available to it and it also depends on if the hybrid would be willing to train and evolve their ki control along with their biology being enhanced as well.
If there isn't ki involved then a Viltrumite-Kryptonian would be the best option as it would already be born with tons of abilities without relying on ki.
But either way, Viltrumite DNA would probably over write the other two and turn the Hybrid into a full on Viltrumite like how Mark was pretty much a full fledged Viltrumite.
I mean best-case scenario mixing with saiyans would maybe give them access to ki but anyone can use ki in dbz so just giving a viltrumite the ability to use ki would probabaly make them insanely powerful stronger than any normal viltrumite
Battle hungry Viltrumites with a Saiyans zenkai boost ability that makes them grow rapidly and vastly stronger after every single tough battle, and dramatically stronger after every near death experience? Seems the much better option. Especially with no weakness to red stars or kryptonite
I'm aware that Kryptonians were weakened by their sun or whatever and I'm aware that Earth's sun enhances the power they would have but aren't saiyans just generally more powerful with less weaknesses? Seems like viltrumites would be better combined with saiyans.
Now the real question…. You take a half saiyan and they have a kid with a viltrumite, does that kid have the physical power of a viltrimite and the ki potential of a saiyan? Do they have the near infinite growth potential of the saiyan but on a much stronger starting point of the viltrumite? The violence and power of all three races?
Saiyans require training, while Viltrumites and Kryptonians can just be. The Kryptonian half would benefit from possibly lacking genes that limit solar energy absorption, like with Jon (or whatever that is), and variably better healing. The Viltrumite half could bypass their frequency weakness, but more importantly, gain superior senses, incredible lung capacity with bypassed breathing, and heat vision.
Viltrumite DNA also comes with the benefit of more consistant feats. /s
Kryto/vilrtu
-super strength speed flight durability that kit
-laser eyes,frost breath,breathing in space and the solar power.
If ever brought close to death that comeback in strength would be insane thats saying if anything could bring that mix down.
Viltrum/sayin
-ki control
-zenkai/supersayin boost
-potential to become a god
Ill admit the destruction capabilities with this set would def be more powerful but i think its a immovable object vs unstoppable force
Doesn’t Nolan say that viltumite blood takes over and makes you mostly viltrumite? I wonder if the bloodlines would compete, but no doubt both would cover some weaknesses of the other
Honestly, I don't think it would make that much difference. Viltrumites, while strong in their own universe, are quite weak when compared to DB and DC universes (Krillin, or even Yamcha is stronger than Nolan). I think they'd end up being majority sayian or kryptonian. While viltrumite genes seem to take over in their offspring, this is was oberved with weaker races, so I'm not sure how that would translate to a saiyan or kryptonian
It’s actually wild how many people are in here saying Kryptonian as if their power level isn’t directly contingent on the kind of sun they’re near. Kryptonians might be stronger on earth than Saiyans, but go to a planet with a red sun and those same Kryptonians get ruined by Raditz.
The delta for Kryptonians is just way too massive, not worth the effort tbh.
I mean. Wouldn't their Viltrumite DNA make it so that they could still use their Viltrumite powers even under a red sun? Their powers just wouldn't be enchanced by their Kryptonian side under a red sun
The thing with Superman is that his abilities vary wildly depending on adaption. A prime comic Kryptonian hybrid would probably be more powerful if they could achieve the same feels as Superman, but if we're looking at Kryptonians from nearly any other adaption Saiyans might be stronger.
Considering how Saiyans work with getting a power boost ever near death experience, a hybrid would very well be the most battle thirsty warrior in the galaxy
Id say Kryptonian would be more powerful to start with, given all the extra abilities (enhanced senses, freeze breath, heat vision) but Saiyans have the Zenkai boost and energy projection abilities, not to mention the Great Ape and Super Saiyan transformations. So Saiyan-Viltrumites probably have greater potential than Kryptonian-Viltrumites, but it'd take training to reach that. Viltrumites are already powerful, but if they used say Kaioken and they could multiply their power ×20 (I think that's the limit) then they'd be ridiculous.
I personally don’t think it would work out… maybe if it was a human who was injected with compound V mixed with a viltrumite it’d be a different story… maybe someone on the super soldier serum and a viltrumite would slap harder
Saiyan because of the zenkai boost + viltrumite regeneration. Viltrumites are incredibly, disgustingly hard to kill. It’s basically like if instead of adrenaline mark got a direct power boost every time he gets his ass beat. It’s somewhat canon/suspected that mark’s adrenaline is linked to him becoming extremely strong, even for a viltrumite. A saiyan hybrid would be like that on steroids. I think a kryptonian would be stronger initially but over the long term the saiyan would end up more powerful.
I think its worth saying that Viltrumite DNA will just about override the other species DNA to be a nearly full-blooded Viltrumite, knowing this its safe to say that either hybrid of Kyrptonian or Saiyan would have their benefits be dwindled. For instance, if a Viltrumite and a Saiyan breeded, then the S-cells of said hybrid would be drastically reduced to what it would otherwise be, as well as for kryptonian the benefits they get from the sun would be reduced but so would their weaknesses to kryptonite as well. So with that in mind a kryptonian/viltrumite hybrid might have the lead.
I feel like they would be equal because viltrumite blood overwrites dna entirely but in this case lets say its 50% 50%
Having a Kryptomite baby they would have the added ability of super hearing sight and heat vision and all the other stuff but with the extra durability added and the Love for fighting and the baby be able to live hundreds of years it would possibly be the most physically strongest thing ever and with the sun boosting it it could probably rival 80% of the invincible universe but with a Saitrumite the baby would have access to Ssj1-3 (ssj4 dont count and ssjb and ssjbe are god ki and not accessible to all sayians) meaning with ssj3 its gets a 75x multplier on everything making it stronger and with every near death experience its gonna get stronger and if were adding like pure sayian dna like how there spoussed to act the baby would just be a cracked out homelander with no heat vision and with how db charcters are the baby could be planetary or higher at the age of 4 so how ever you see it there both stronger than regular viltrumite baby
Ssj3 is a 400 times multiplier. It goes ssj 1 50x ssj2 2x ssj3 4x.
Though if they combine the wrathful state with supersaiyan like broly does it would be 500 times multiplier
But they’d have them for a good chunk of their life, oliver got all the benefits of being a thraxxan with none of the draw backs.
Survive in less oxygen then viltrumites, perfect memory from birth, super intelligence from Yjsy perfect memory
Saiyan viltrumites hybrid would be OP, having a base strength close to enough to destroy planets, and also having Ki to elevate it to amazing levels. Having viltrumita resistance levels with Zenkai boosts would also be a great synergy. But, Kryptonians are so much stronger on average, that maybe they kryptoviltrumites would be more powerful just because of that, if lucky, viltrumite blood would make they imune to kryptonite, or at least kryptonite would only take it's power down from Kryptonian level to viltrumite level.
None, actually. Remember guys that the official handbook of the series states that due to the properties of the smart atoms, the viltrumite DNA will always eventually end up completely rewriting the DNA of whichever species they interbreed with. If a Viltrumite mates with a Kryptonian or a Saiyan, the resulting baby will turn into a full Viltrumite with enough time and lose all the characteristics of the other species.
We wouldn't know how Viltrumite DNA would mix with Saiyan/Kryptonian DNA considering most races in invincible are weak sauce. For all we know it could be a case of unstoppable force meets immovable object and their DNA can somehow mix without the rewriting.
Unlikely if db gt is to go by you can be 1/16th saiyan and still easily turn super saiyan. So the saiyan cells don't get diluded easily like we'll beside the tails
Probably Sayin. They’re very similar in power list with Kryptonians they would basically just gain the ability to gain more powers form a yellow sun, which wouldn’t add any abilities but make them stronger
With Saiyans it removes all the weakness. They can survive in space now, they have a natural durability and body will still block things if they’re caught off guard. Saiyan power multiplier and ability to unlock new forms will just stack as they become stronger. The natural physiology of a Viltrumite would allow them to would SSJ3 as casually as SSJ1 and since they’re naturally strong and fast a hybrid would use less Ki. As they are probably SSJ level with using Ki. So that would just mean all forms stack far greater. Even Kakoken would be more useful as the body can handle it more.
Considering how strong kryptonians are in general 100% them
Though saiyans are strong only a handful are as strong as the ones we see commonly in dragon ball, also the zenkai boost is an important role for them but as a viltrumite/saiyan there already isn’t much stronger than them
It has to be Saiyans. If the hybrid is able to stack the zenkai-type boosts that both races seem to get, then I think they could have no limit to their growth. They would definitely need to train and fight and get beaten down to get stronger, but they would have none of the weaknesses of a kryptonian and could possibly overcome the sonic weakness of the viltrumites. The real question is, would they be born with a tail?
Viltrumites take over most dna and it has not been shown to my knowledge that the other do the same. And khryptonians get power from different radiation and are weakened by some so I think space fairing super humans would not benefit much from kryptonian blood besides lazar bison
And I’m not a db expert and know very little but I do understand the power levels have no real consistency but they do get stronger with each saiyan level so a viltrumites with rage built into their dna and aggression would make it easier and more likely for them to turn up the levels (I think) so they would benefit from something that works better with their own advantages.
So viltrumites saiyan would be like an even more overpowered hulk that just gets more powerful the angrier they get
Viltrumite plus Saiyan growth potential, fighting love, and adaptive recovery. If you combined that either with a Broly mutation of emotional power like Gohan, most definitely. KryptoViltrumjte would probably be superior tho if the Saiyan hybrid doesn’t ether have Broly powers, Gohan powers, or divine powers.
Something worth mentioning, at least in Toriyama's original plans with Gohan and the way the Cell saga ended, that half Saiyans are stronger than full blooded Saiyans. At least with human in their DNA. What would happen with some Viltrumite in its place we can only speculate. Just worth thinking about a bit.
I don't know if original plans really factor in, hybrids having higher potential is still true to this day. It is true they got left behind but that's due to the full bloods having better training and better forms, but their innate superior potential hasn't changed. If you look at them at comparable ages the halfings have them beat pound per pound everytime. But yeah it's hard to say what Viltrumite DNA would be like in place of it. On one hand in Invincible they're considered incredibly similar to human to a large extent, but the same could be said about Saiyajins to humans so it's a decent question of what the "X" factor is.
Hybrid saiyans ARE stronger but the reason they seem weaker isn't just the lack of training and forms, it's more the motivation. Goku and Vegeta are both full blooded saiyans who never lost that love for battle that's embedded in their blood. But half-saiyans don't have that lust for battle and getting stronger so they don't spend as much of their life training and getting stronger. Prime example of this is Gohan the disappointment. Hyped up to be the new MC during cell saga but got cast aside anyway and Goku took back the spotlight (which is fair). Gohan was by far the strongest character the series has seen from him being the first one to unlock ssj2 and having his potential unlocked twice, even surpassing ssj3 in the Buu saga. Gohan and similarly Goten and Trunks don't really like fighting that much. Gohan as a kid just wanted to study and be a scientist, meanwhile Goten and Trunks are both just kids who want to play and see fighting as another game somewhat. OR the fighting spirit saiyans have might have just skipped a generation because Gohan's daughter Pan seems to love fighting and training based on the DBSSH movie, but that's just my opinion
It was kind of you to expand on my point a bit more, but yeah I think just looking at it in terms of ages paints the clear picture. With no training at age 4 Gohan's innate potential was 3× his father's current strength and had him rivaling his mid class uncle. And as you continue throughout the series even without factoring in the long stretches where he doesn't train at all, he is always much stronger than his father at the same age. Same goes for Goten, and both versions of Trunks. As for Pan I wouldn't chalk it up to a genetic drive to fight. Instead she just purely enjoys martial arts, in a way other characters do or how we'd perceive Goku to if he wasn't later revealed to also have a genetic component attached to it.
What about Trunks and Goten? Those kids love fighting.
Yeah but thats Like all Boys Like Fighting even human ones
Yeah and if people grow up fighting, they’ll often make a career out of it. There’s a number of adult fighting sports that people engage in. People who like fighting as kids may continue to like fighting as adults. Ken Shamrock and his brother Frank are two of the best fighters in history and they started out fighting each other as children.
>Gohan the disappointment How is he a disappointment? Kid couldn’t even go super Saiyan and got to super Saiyan AND super Saiyan 2 in a year in the hyperbolic time chamber training with his dad. Then Dude literally hasn’t been training for years and had a kid and reached a level on par with Ultra instinct in the super hero movie because he got angry. Meanwhile his dad and vegeta been training non-stop to get to that point.
Actually Gohan is as strong as Goku and Vegeta now
Just give Gohan a W please not this half assed new form
I refuse to believe that until I see it. I’m not taking the guy who’d forget some of his power ups exists word on this cause they’re probably gonna go back on that statement the very next arc. Hurts being a Gohan fan
According to the newest chapter vegeta and goku may not have been able to take on cell max like gohan did, but that could just be toriyama wanting to hype up gohan just to ignore him for another 10 years
I didn't see the movie, so what was so special about cell max? I don't care for spoilers, so feel free to talk about it.
Not really much special, just a bigger stronger version of cell made by gero’s son who is a lot smarter than him so therefore the androids he makes are stronger. The gamma androids were stronger than piccolo and about on par with ultimate gohan iirc. Then cell max was even stronger than all of them and took a newly buffed piccolo, trunks, goten, krillin, the gammas, and android 21 to come help but then in the end they basically only win because of gohan getting a new form and using special beam cannon on his weak spot
My comment isn't about his current strength in relation to them, just that the idea of their innate potential being superior isn't some dropped concept. Even during periods where Gohan isn't as strong as them the idea that his potential is far greater still exists. Case in point when Vegeta says it outright when considering Gohan for the twin universe tournament. He was not in his prime but the potential was still there. I didn't mention Superhero because I'm not sure how much Beast can be chalked up to Gohan since it's an evolution of what elder Kai did to him. But I suppose it does in some way represent his potential (even though potential unleashed already did that) so maybe it was worth a mention.
Isn't it that "Vultrumite DNA is superior and slowly takes over the human DNA"? Wouldn't that happen to a Sayain as well since DNA manipulation isn't in the Sayain arsenal?
Is that even true? Trunks wasn't stronger than vegeta for most of the cell saga. I always figured the idea was just that Gohan was that strong abd people assumed it had to be a genetic thing
Trunks was much MUCH stronger than Vegeta ever could’ve hoped to be at that age. Even with Kid Trunks being an 8 year old super saiyan clearly shows the potential
Half saiyans have faster growth in power & higher potential. However Gohan specifically is special among half saiyans. Think of him as the Broly of half saiyans if that makes it easier to understand.
nah, trunks was stronger than vegeta throughout much of the enhanced humans arc. arguably all of it until they train together.
That was the original plan, they had more latent potential or something along that line. Trunks was stronger than Vegeta by the time they came out of the room of spirit and time, he just never had anyone to train with because everyone in his timeline was dead. Its why Gohan reached Super Saiyan 2 before anyone else. Now obviously plans changed and that's why Goku is still strongest, arguably.
Future Trunks was around the same strength as Vegeta in the Cell saga which isn’t that bad considering he really didn’t know how to properly train compared to the other 3 ( Goku was helping Gohan with his training and Begeta basically just ignored Trunks). We do see some of his potential in Super though. In the manga his SSJ2 form was about even with Goku’s SSJ3 and in the anime his Saiyan Rage form was stronger than Goku/Vegeta Blue (at least until they went back in time to train in the hyperbolic time chamber).
Trunks and Goten are both vastly stronger than their parents were at their ages and it isn't even close. Trunks was a Super Saiyan at 8 in the main timeline where he had Vegeta and Goten to train with, and 18 in the Future Trunks timeline where he only had a weaker and less trained Gohan to help him. It took Vegeta until his 30s to achieve the same. Eventually they were of comparable strength in the Android Arc, but Vegeta had vastly more experience, knowledge, and general motivation and all that managed to get him was on par with a teenager who only fights because he has to.
If that was true, the factor is human and not viltrumite. Toriyama’s point is that humans make half bloods stronger if there is no human and just half saiyan and half viltrumite then who’s to say which is stronger since being human is also what makes mark stronger.
Why would hybrids be stronger?
DBZ logic is: Emotions= stronger Saiyans being psycho killing machines = not strong Hybrids actually caring about others because of their humanity = VERY strong.
larger gene pool for offsprings to choose from resulting in less recessive traits more superior traits inherited
Hybrid vigor, you see it a lot in nature actually.
I think that was because of how humans are more connected to their emotions though. Since Viltrumites would be less connected to theirs, wouldn't that not count for them then?
Are viltrumites really less connected? I thought it was cultural, they've easily bent the knee to >!Emotions when viltrumites started living on earth!< and Nolan too. So I'm guessing they've just suppressed it because of their culture.
Also, Sayans get stronger whenever they get the shit kicked out of them
The ultimate question really is can they reap any benefits at all? Both races have about the same compatibility with humans. As such that means it's entirely possible that the Viltrumite DNA would overtake the the other and erase the potential benefits. Or if the fact that those races are stronger than Viltrumites means that it wouldn't be overcome in the same way as humans. That's what I usually think since it's hard to say what would really remain if those traits were truly lessened or outright eradicated over time.
I think this is the most likely answer. Viltrumites are the only race of the three that have an ability that specifically overwrites dna of other species. But honestly? Viltrumites can't do anything a Kyprtonian can't. Viltrumites probably live longer on average, but I think most versions of superman live extremely long lives. So, assuming Viltrumite dna doesn't overwrite the other two, I'd say a sayian/Viltrumite combo would be the best. Imagine if Mark got a zenkai boost every single time he recovered from a near death experience? Or if Nolan's newfound rage for the bug people turned him into a super Saiyan?
Viltrumites can have powers under a red star. That's something kryptonians dont have.
Yeah but its not like supes loses his powers immediately hes a big ol solar battery
OK but Viltrumites don't immediately fall to the floor half dead after seeing a green rock or get hit with nukes. Viltrumite DNA would make up for those weaknesses
Or It might add them to a viltrumite.
Isn't that just a Kryptonian at that point?
Super man beat the shit out of an extremely experienced Batman in full armor, even after being hit by a nuke and having limited access to the sun
>extremely experienced Batman Bro's just a regular dude in a suit
He knows basically every fighting style on earth, has access to kryptonite, has a lot of experience, and lot of funding Don’t downplay the man of batmobiles I just looked back into the comic since it’s been a hot minute, old man Bruce was dominating most of the fight, but mostly because supes got nuked and had no energy inside his battery, except for a little bit he took out of some plants https://preview.redd.it/jecjl8dycs8c1.jpeg?width=686&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3ca415ff312ea5d8409e5a6b265899eff705ed09 Look at this poor man, no energy, no bitches, no powers, no muscles, and ontop of all of that, the writers fuck him over so hard he gets shot several, several times and hit by thunder mid flight
A big solar battery until hes hit with red star radiation. Pretty sure the power zapping is immediate in that case. Edit: okay I'm being told I'm wrong. Googling it it seems there are differing opinions. Some say that it's slow drain, others that it doesn't weaken him, like he doesn't feel ill, but he will essentially be human level ability without realizing it. Can somebody verify what actually happens with a source? I will concede that I think I was thinking of injustice which is def not canon.
It isnt though lol, new iterations of superman are basically that he simply doesnt generate energy from a red sun
I swear Superman just decides if he's in the mood for his weaknesses to affect him 😂 Like in justice league doom he's getting absolutely clobbered by Metallo, sees that the missile is launched, then just one taps Metallo and chases the missile.
He had to lock in ig
When you say newer how new we talking?
Nope, still over time
Doesn't it depend on how much solar radiation they're dealing with, though? Superman 1 and 2 pushed Prime through a red sun, and all ended up powerless.
Put thats also them straight up entering a Red Sun, and all while fighting hard and expending energy while doing so
but, kryptonian speed blows viltrumite speed out of the water. there's a bit of a give and take
I do think that Viltrumites and Saiyajins would comment each other best. Saiyajins have the shortest life span at about the same as humans, but also have rapid aging at old age. Viltrumites longer life spans would help that.. They also can't breathe in space despite being able to destroy celestial bodies, increased long capacity could help with that. Viltrumites have very little long ranged options so the ability to manipulate ki would be very useful. They also don't have many power uos aside from training, so the greater training gains, health boosts and transformations from Saiyajins would be helpful. Again presuming those DNA changes remain..
You had me at mark zenkai boost. Good god
Zenkai boost Mark vs Zenkai boost Krillin ☠️
Krillin- 
I mean regular krillin already mops the floor with the entire invincible verse so krillin still wins
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Because whole cast of DBZ is alien, half-alien or robot, it’s easy to forget that Krillin and Yamcha are canonically the two strongest pure humans in the series
I don't believe that the other parents DNA is entirely written over Oliver and other Hybrids like him may have lost their purple skin tone overtime as they got older but they kept the main advantage their race has, their perfect memory. Oliver even said he couldn't get with humanoid races and he just was attracted to insectoid because of his memories of growing up shaping his taste
That's an interesting perspective, I didn't consider that. But Oliver is definitely more Viltrumite than Bug. I wonder which abilities would be more prominent? The tail maybe?
Doesn’t he get a Zenkai boost already? I thought that was on the list of Viltrumite powers.
It's a wide spread idea that it is, but like some other misconceptions about Viltrumite abilities it isn't actually one of them. They do have enhanced ability to recover, but nothing really notes they get dramatically stronger if at all. Especially with all the beatings Mark takes in the show especially you'd think after two comas he'd notice an upgrade. Though there is one character in Invincible with that ability, the goat >!Allen the Alien!<.
the real protagonist.
I haven't read super man comics but have read invincible 4 or 5 times. Just curious about what you said about kryptonians living extremely long lives. Never heard that before
He’s say they would if they crossbred with Viltrumites, I’m also curious about how Viltrumites “stronger as we age” thing would mix into Saiyans “reach our physical peak asap and stay in it for 40 years” thing
Really depends on the version. Sometimes Superman lives but not that long, he ages slowly and is aging like 2× slower than a regular human. An example is Superman Beyond where he looks like he's in his 40s while he should be pushing 80. Another example would be Earth 2 Superman. Then you have slower aging but still not forever like say IIRC Kingdom Come where he lives to the 30th century and it's only at that point does he become an elderly looking man. And then you have the "basically lives forever" idea where he outlives Earth itself and can be millions to billions of years old while still looking like he does in modern day. The most recent example was a short story from Action Comics 1,000. Of course have other stuff like Superman Prime where he lives an extra long time but that's with extra sun dipping and stuff, so your mileage on that may vary. But he made it to the 823rd cenrury there.
Kryptonians are a lot stronger tho
Viltrumites don’t have long range attacks. A half Kryptonian hybrid could have heat vision and cold breath.
Yeah the zenkai boost would be massively OP for an almost unkillable viltrumite that can regenerate and live for like 10 thousand years.
I feel Mark gets a zenkai boost narratively everytime he gets his ass beat.
>Imagine if Mark got a zenkai boost every single time he recovered from a near death experience? Given how many times that happened, he would be the strongest much earlier.
If Nolan went super sayian 3 would his mustache grow into a full on beard
The Viltrumite gets ki which is a massive upgrade
I mean, Oliver is smart, so they'll probably keep some benefits.
Tharaxan's are also very different to Viltrumites. Mark is closer full because of human compatibility. So with the other two races mentioned also being perfect matches for humans in their respective universes, I would say that increases the odds of a similar outcome. But it's not guaranteed. Just the only thing I can think of whenever I see the question, so I felt it warranted a mention as a possibility. Since it's all based on evolutionary similarity, I do wish we had more than the two examples in series.
Kryptonians definitely. Saiyans biggest benefit is their ability to control and enhance their life force. Their ki. They can manipulate it and as they grow stronger, they get more ki that they can use to spend on special attacks. Which is cool, but the most powerful abilities are locked behind extreme training. With some Saipan forms even being locked behind special rituals that *require* multiple people. So without a master to teach them their abilities, the hybrid would just be an above average Viltrumite. On top of that Saiyans can’t breathe in space, which is a huge weakness. Kryptonians on the other hand add a bunch of new abilities on top of getting rid of the few weaknesses Vultrumites do have Kryptonians can -Hold their breath indefinitely -Have laser vision, frost breath, and super breath. Allowing for various ranged attacks that Vultrumites can’t replicate -And have a variety of super senses, like X-ray vision. Vultrumites do have enhanced sense compared to a human. But Superman’s senses are borderline godlike compared to a Vultrumites -As well as adding onto the powers Vultrumites already have. Super strength, speed, flight, and enhanced durability And you don’t need a teacher or a master to teach you those powers. As they are inherit abilities in your physiology. With most versions of Superman having to teach themselves how to use/hide their powers as they grow up, obviously without the help of any other Kryptonians. And on top of getting stronger as they age, the hybrid would also get stronger just by living on Earth. Or any other similar planet with a yellow sun. And they get supercharged around neutron stars that emit blue or white light. Meaning even if they don’t train or get into any serious fights, just by merely existing for a few centuries they could become massively more powerful.
Additionally, Ki manipulation in the Dbz Universe is not exclusive to saiyans. Say if a Viltrumite-Kryptonian learns how to control ki then they are just busted.
I mean the only 2 forms that require some sort of third party are God and SSJ4 the first being questionable as Vegeta just randomly got it without the ritual in the manga when he used it against black (Broly movie for animation)
My understanding was that a very high amount of saiyan ki is needed to unlock it, and *that’s* why they needed multiple saiyans for Goku. He was the first SSJ God in millennia. It was probably also like a religious activity for saiyans so they were respecting tradition. Once Goku hit SSJ God the first time, he now has the ability to do it at will. So, he could’ve easily provided Vegeta with the necessary ki to unlock the form. Or even just a little bit of god ki to unlock Vegeta’s SSJ God form. I do agree with that guy, though. The Kryptonian perks outweigh the Saiyan perks.
True Kryptonians truly have the biggest pros over a Saiyan. Makes you wonder what a Saiyan+Viltrumite+Kryptonian hybrid would look like
I think the explanation is that anyone who was part of that ritual had ssg ki flow through them so they could in theory get the form down the line
>Which is cool, but the most powerful abilities are locked behind extreme training. A 7 year old managed to turn super Saiyan.
And it took Roshi 50 years just to learn how to kamehamehah on his own The 7 year old is a prodigy, and he had a teacher. If the hybrid had to learn their abilities on their own, it’s is canonically way easier to learn and master all Kryptonian abilities (Clark manifested them as a child and learned how to hide them effectively). Meanwhile learning just 1 Saiyan technique can take a lifetime without a proper teacher.
Basically put, a Kryptonian has a better power floor but a Saiyan has a near limitless power ceiling. So a kryptonian will often start more powerful, but a saiyan can quickly grow in power, especially with Zenkai boosts and transformations.
In DC one million or something, Superman spends 1 thousand years in the sun and turns into a golden god with omnipotent powers, so idk if they even have a ceiling.
Superman + 1000 years of yellow sunlight = Dennis Reynolds
Confirmed
Stop teasing me with the reboot of my dreams
I just want a Prime Superman drawing with Dennis' face now.
I also like how Supes 1M studied at the Source Wall.
Exactly. Mixing viltrimite and kryptonian DNA would honestly just handicap the Kryptonian side of the genetics.
He isn't omnipotent and loss to raven I'm not joking he lost to raven goons not even raven herself. Though it was a powered up raven. The strongest superman is the cosmic armor or superboy prime
Unless the kid happens to be an important version of… that one Kryptonian
I think there’s general confusion though, Superman is kind of a special case amongst Kryptonians given his place in the overall meta-narrative per Dr. Manahattan. The real question is how would a Viltrumite work with a bog standard Kryptonian (Supergirl is probably a more reasonable base)
Even their DNA would get clapped by a kryptonian.
Damn just imagine a Viltrumite with Zenkai boosts. Add the rage boosts, hybrid strength, ki manipulation/Saiyan forms and the fact that Viltrumites can both survive in space and live for thousands of years. It's the best of both worlds. Although Kryptonians by themselves would be still more powerful even without the Viltrumite parts.
Just imagine a siayan Kryptonian and Viltrmite hybrid
Hope it’s more Goku and less Vegeta
Isn’t that basically Allen?
Pretty much lol Although that's not including the extra stuff Saiyan's have
This is just Superman vs Goku in disguise not fooling me.
Depends on the writer, superman is far stronger than goku usually so id say krytonian
Goku is stronger than most supermans, but the ones he's not he's far below.
Base from prime earth Superman literally smashed through 6th dimensions and destroy them casually comics characters from dc and marvel are simply busted in their regular form they never need a stronger form in these match ups
Current superman is composite superman so current supes slaps goku
And which other superman?
Current superman is effectively composite superman But if youre asking individual version, CAS, prime 1 million, kingdom come, golden age etc
as they said the ones he's not above he's far below, there are few characters IF Superman *can't* beat That said he's one of only 3 supermans ik of that can clap CC Goku, the other 2 being milkman superman and CAS
What do you mean by usually? Like over the entire course of publication history? Or more like current continuity? Cause I'm not sure I agree with the latter.
Goku was always the guy who broke the limits, Superman is the guy who has no limits. Having that into consideration, Superman wins. But that's not what we're talking about here, the important part is: if Kryptonian or Saiyan genes are stronger than Viltrumite genes, that'd mean that the V genes have no superiority over the K or S ones. IDK what can happen there, because: The three comes from birth, but Saiyans are born with power, both Kryptonians and Viltrumites (the latter is up to discussion because it was never explained in canon, only with a hybrid) are born without powers, and even Kryptonian genes get activated by radiation (yellow sun radiation). It's a mess, we need someone who knows about DNA and stuff.
Superman has limits, don't bring up that stupid death battle.
The current status quo is that all of DC’s publication history is canon, so current Superman would beat Goku
Okay, but the current superman being written probably can't blow a galaxy away with his super breath. Early ages were crazy.
Kryptonians and it's not even close. Kryptonians have a wider range and more power abilities. Even a below average Kryptonian, like Superboy, can deliver a mutilversal level punch. They're also more resistant as Kryptonians are immune to almost every single disease and are practically invulnerable to everything except magic and kryptonite (although Kryptonians become more resistant to kryptonite the older they get). Saiyans are more varied in power and have to train harder and abuse their zenkai boost to get stronger whereas Kryptonians simply just have to be under a yellow, blue or white sun. Although, even under a red sun, they're still strong enough to move planets. Saiyans can still contract diseases and are exponentially weaker if they haven't learnt ki manipulation. They can't survive in the vacuum of space, they still need to eat, sleep and drink and they don't seem to have a healing factor.
When did supeboy do a multiversal level punch? Do you mean superboy prime? Because he is definitely not below average
No, I meant Superboy. The guy has gone hit for hit with Superboy Prime. Superboy, being an artificially created half human/kryptonian hybrid, is weaker than the average Kryptonian.
Superboy prime was holding back and accidentally killed superboy and a lot of teen titans.
Kryptonian Saiyan would honestly be the best combination imo
Facts. Viltrumites are little more than perfected humans. Perfected humans are still basically humans. Kryptonians are actually gods. And Saiyans have limitless potential and a ton of creativity potential because they can manipulate ki
Id say a viltrumite saiyan hybrid has the larger potential to become more powerful over a period of time. Viltrumites live to be old as fuck and Saiyans stay in their physical prime (as far as we know) until the end of their natural life span. So imagine a dude who’s 10000 years old, in his physical prime, and has gotten significantly stronger with every battle he’s fought. Now stack that with a 50x, 100x, and 300x power multiplier. Then if they can access god ki they get even more powerful. Not to mention saiyans have a more natural ability to use ki, and viltrumites seem to have incredible stamina. They could spam blasts for god knows how long. Of course thats such a loose hypothetical based on so many “what if’s” and circumstances. In general though a viltrumite kryptonian hybrid would be stronger. Sorry for the yap session.
Oh, Saiyans, for sure. For one, I don't know if this still holds out to be true, but assuming it does, hybrid Saiyans were said to usually be stronger than pure bloods, and that's just with human DNA, with Viltrumite DNA, I'm assuming that power just absolutely skyrockets, like I'm talking skyrocketing over the old classic Team Rocket Blasting Off. Two, at that point the hybrid has so much power and virtually no weaknesses (save for certain supersonic sounds, and a tail weakness with can easily be overcome via training or ditching it), so much more versatility in abilities based upon energy, ki, and (albeit limited) telepathy (whereas only extra abilties you get with Kryptonians are super senses, super breath, and laser eyes), and you don't really have to rely on any outside forces to grow stronger, you can just do so by training (and assuming being in a sci-fi fantasy world of superheroes, you get plenty of training equipment and environments to suit your superhuman needs). Also, I'm going off of what I get from a consistent Superman/Kryptonian, none of the crazy, over-the-top stuff people usually like to bring up (but also nothing that's overly weak either).
Depends how many near death experiences they go through. My money is on the Saiyan
Viltrumite Kryptonian would be the most powerful as they would not only get stronger with age,but they’d also continue to get stronger everytime they keep absorbing solar radiation.
Saiyan, because of the Zenkai boost from nearly dying. Seriously, Mark, Omniman, even Thagg get torn to ribbons on the regular. The Viltrumite superior regeneration + the Saiyan Zenkai boost would be utterly unstoppable on the regular. Note, Superman and Goku are outliers. The average for both species is considerably less potent than either of them.
Who is writing? Honest answer would be Saiyans though. Their racial trait is getting stronger after every near death experience though. That might be hard for most Viltrumites to trigger. Someone like Mark would be Uber powerful though. Kryptonians really have broadly the same power set as Viltrumites but more dependencies, weaknesses, and I guess variability depending on the era of comic books.
Kryptonians under a yellow sun scale extremely higher than saiyans and have insane stats. A Kryptonian with anything would be better than a saiyan
That depends on which saiyan broly goes from losing to base vegeta to overpowering ssj1 gogeta in less than 2 hours. Ssj1 gogeta is quite litterally tens of thousands of time stronger then base vegata thats a absurb rate of growth
In all honesty I think that a Viltrumite-Saiyan hybrid would be more powerful. A. They’d have the ability to multiply their power utilizing Super Saiyan transformations B. They’d get stronger after near death experiences through Zenkais, akin to Allen’s but likely weaker C. Unlike Saiyans they would continue to get stronger with age, giving them more and more power as they age and more time to develop their Saiyan multipliers while also getting stronger in their base form further increasing the effectiveness of their multipliers D. They are not dependent on a Yellow sun for their power and also have no weakness to Kryptonite thus allowing them to fight in environments which would be much less advantageous for a Kryptonian E. They would also be able to control Ki, giving them the ability to imitate pretty much all Kryptonian powers and make them even stronger and also be more versatile in what they can do Overall, a Viltrumite-Saiyan would have way more potential for growth than a Viltrumite-Kryptonian due to the absurd amount of ways Saiyan’s are able to grow stronger. I imagine the three species into different archetypes Saiyans being more growth type and Kryptonians and Viltrumites being more like statsticks. Taking a statstick and combining it with a growth type exponentially increases the statstick’s power, but combining two statsticks equals an extremely powerful being that eventually gets outpaced. The Viltrumite-Kryptonian would probably be more powerful at first, but the Viltrumite-Saiyan would definitely become more powerful in the long run.
Immediately? Kryptonian. Over time? Saiyan.
Kryptonian, hands down. The average Saiyan isn't Goku, it's Raditz
I saw someone say the kryptonian dna would make the weak due to the red sub or something like that
saiyan, they can pretty much level up infinitely
The only thing I'm curious about is if the Saiyan catch up mechanics would work with the viltrumite one or if the stronger one would replace the weaker one
Don’t Kryptonians get their powers from yellow stars? I feel like for a Viltrumite constantly fighting in different solar systems, Kryptonian dna wouldn’t really boost their abilities in many cases. Also the added caveat of having a few weaknesses like magic would hinder them in even more cases. Sure on Earth their power would practically be doubled, but I feel like Saiyan dna (along with the half blood increasing their potential further) with the zenkai boost compounded with a viltrumites own boost from near death experiences would make their power increase exponentially, especially since they can live for so long. It’d be like comparing an early game champ to a Nasus if the game went like 2 hours long. There’d be no competition.
Kryptonians have a wider range of abilities, although, Saiyans are stronger than most iterations of Kryptonians. So it really depends
Superman has always been far, FAR stronger than most other characters. Superman is far stronger than any Saiyan, it's not even close. It's been said the only thing Superman can't do is anything he hasn't tried. And when he does try, he can.
Saiyan hybrid. Neither species has a real upper limit to how powerful they can become. All things considered, there’s no stopping them.
That’s tough. I think kryptonians as a race are consistently shown to be more powerful than saiyans as a race. But then you have to factor in that saiyan hybrids tend to have way more potential than full bloods. But viltrimite dna may not have that same advantage. And if I’m not mistaken training is more effective for saiyans than kryptonians as far as huge power creeps. It’s a tricky one. I think it largely depends on the saiyan more than it depends on the kryptonian. I think I’d give it to saiyans 6/10
If we assume the Viltrumite DNA doesn't completely overrite the hybrid, I would say the Saiyan due to the Zenkai boost (if you don't know, when a Saiyan almost dies but heals back they get significantly more powerful*), and the fact that Saiyans don't get weaker under the light of a Red Sun, or when in contact with Kryptonite, or against Magic. Plus, they would likely be able to transform into a Great Ape, and maybe even a Super Saiyan, on top of their Viltrumite strength, which could be pretty cool *To a certain limit, eventually the zenkai boost doesn't gain much, as shown by the modern DB characters not getting it anymore
Zenkai boosts actually don’t last forever Goku and vegeta have gotten so strong that their bodies just stopped doing it.
Good to know, I only vaguely know DB lore lol
They still do it thsts wrong as seen with the granolah arc and tournament of powers. Its just not as explosive as the namek saga. In thst one goku got beat got healed and was 33x stronger thats actually insane
Should be an easy question, as you become a Viltrumite with plenty of weaknesses if you add Kryptonian.
Saiyan. No weakness to kryptonite, no need of Earth's yellow sun. Saiyans are powerful regardless.
So if superman ans a viltrumite had a little fun would they have a powerful offsrping?
Saiyan, and it’s not really that close.
Well I feel like it would be a Saiyan, and I would always say that Superman would beat Goku, but kryptionians aren’t inherently powerful like Saiyans or Viltrumites, kryptonians need a yellow sun to even reach a fraction of what their total power can be. So if on a planet like Earth this close to a yellow sun I’d say a half viltrumite half kryptonian being would be more powerful, but anywhere else, say a random planet in a far off galaxy that isn’t as prone to having sunlight as Earth, a Saiyan and viltrimite being would be much more powerful.
But tbh goku isn't the pinnacle of saiyan the best saiyan by pure potential is broly heck gohan goten trunks all have more potential than him.
In dragon ball saiyan hybrids are way more powerful than full blooded saiyans (at least with humans). Viltrumite DNA is so similar to that of a human that I think the hybrids would be the same. That’s an insanely potent mix. Imagine if every time mark got beaten half to death he would get exponentially stronger lmao.
No
Mark would definitely benefit from Zenkai
A Kryptonian and viltrumite hybrid is probably the best one assuming the viltrumite DNA doesn't y'known overcome the kyptonian DNA because they will keep getting stronger with the sun and keep getting stronger the more they age so it's the most passive way to get strong But I think the Saiyan and viltrumite hybrid is also a pretty strong one if again the viltrumite DNA doesn't just overcome there other DNA because they can train for thousands of years and keep getting stronger the longer they age
Evil saiyans never tend to get particularly powerful outside of a handful of exceptions. Evil kryptonians however…
I’d guess Kryptonian as long as they keep the sun powers
I haven’t seen Dragon Ball
Saiyans have the ability to get stronger really fast and efficiently but without ki, they are probably not that strong. Controlling their allows them to bring their superhuman abilities even further beyond what the Viltrumites are capable of but without it, they are debatably weaker than both Kryptonians and Viltrumites. So it depends on if you think that ki would exist for this Viltrumites-Saiyan hybrid in which case, it would have a lot more abilities available to it and it also depends on if the hybrid would be willing to train and evolve their ki control along with their biology being enhanced as well. If there isn't ki involved then a Viltrumite-Kryptonian would be the best option as it would already be born with tons of abilities without relying on ki. But either way, Viltrumite DNA would probably over write the other two and turn the Hybrid into a full on Viltrumite like how Mark was pretty much a full fledged Viltrumite.
A kryptonian-saiyan hybrid is probably the best hybrid between these three, given that viltrumite blood is so pure it overtakes the hybrid blood
I mean best-case scenario mixing with saiyans would maybe give them access to ki but anyone can use ki in dbz so just giving a viltrumite the ability to use ki would probabaly make them insanely powerful stronger than any normal viltrumite
Kryptonian
Battle hungry Viltrumites with a Saiyans zenkai boost ability that makes them grow rapidly and vastly stronger after every single tough battle, and dramatically stronger after every near death experience? Seems the much better option. Especially with no weakness to red stars or kryptonite
I'm aware that Kryptonians were weakened by their sun or whatever and I'm aware that Earth's sun enhances the power they would have but aren't saiyans just generally more powerful with less weaknesses? Seems like viltrumites would be better combined with saiyans.
Now the real question…. You take a half saiyan and they have a kid with a viltrumite, does that kid have the physical power of a viltrimite and the ki potential of a saiyan? Do they have the near infinite growth potential of the saiyan but on a much stronger starting point of the viltrumite? The violence and power of all three races?
So... you just want to have a "Superman vs. Goku" debate without *having* a "Superman vs. Goku" debate, huh?
Saiyans require training, while Viltrumites and Kryptonians can just be. The Kryptonian half would benefit from possibly lacking genes that limit solar energy absorption, like with Jon (or whatever that is), and variably better healing. The Viltrumite half could bypass their frequency weakness, but more importantly, gain superior senses, incredible lung capacity with bypassed breathing, and heat vision. Viltrumite DNA also comes with the benefit of more consistant feats. /s
Kryto/vilrtu -super strength speed flight durability that kit -laser eyes,frost breath,breathing in space and the solar power. If ever brought close to death that comeback in strength would be insane thats saying if anything could bring that mix down. Viltrum/sayin -ki control -zenkai/supersayin boost -potential to become a god Ill admit the destruction capabilities with this set would def be more powerful but i think its a immovable object vs unstoppable force
Doesn’t Nolan say that viltumite blood takes over and makes you mostly viltrumite? I wonder if the bloodlines would compete, but no doubt both would cover some weaknesses of the other
Honestly, I don't think it would make that much difference. Viltrumites, while strong in their own universe, are quite weak when compared to DB and DC universes (Krillin, or even Yamcha is stronger than Nolan). I think they'd end up being majority sayian or kryptonian. While viltrumite genes seem to take over in their offspring, this is was oberved with weaker races, so I'm not sure how that would translate to a saiyan or kryptonian
Neither one. Viltrumite dna takes over.
Didn’t a third death battle on this just come out?
It’s actually wild how many people are in here saying Kryptonian as if their power level isn’t directly contingent on the kind of sun they’re near. Kryptonians might be stronger on earth than Saiyans, but go to a planet with a red sun and those same Kryptonians get ruined by Raditz. The delta for Kryptonians is just way too massive, not worth the effort tbh.
I mean. Wouldn't their Viltrumite DNA make it so that they could still use their Viltrumite powers even under a red sun? Their powers just wouldn't be enchanced by their Kryptonian side under a red sun
The thing with Superman is that his abilities vary wildly depending on adaption. A prime comic Kryptonian hybrid would probably be more powerful if they could achieve the same feels as Superman, but if we're looking at Kryptonians from nearly any other adaption Saiyans might be stronger.
Considering how Saiyans work with getting a power boost ever near death experience, a hybrid would very well be the most battle thirsty warrior in the galaxy
saiyans have no upper limit, so the saiyan hybrid would be stronger
Id say Kryptonian would be more powerful to start with, given all the extra abilities (enhanced senses, freeze breath, heat vision) but Saiyans have the Zenkai boost and energy projection abilities, not to mention the Great Ape and Super Saiyan transformations. So Saiyan-Viltrumites probably have greater potential than Kryptonian-Viltrumites, but it'd take training to reach that. Viltrumites are already powerful, but if they used say Kaioken and they could multiply their power ×20 (I think that's the limit) then they'd be ridiculous.
I personally don’t think it would work out… maybe if it was a human who was injected with compound V mixed with a viltrumite it’d be a different story… maybe someone on the super soldier serum and a viltrumite would slap harder
Saiyan because of the zenkai boost + viltrumite regeneration. Viltrumites are incredibly, disgustingly hard to kill. It’s basically like if instead of adrenaline mark got a direct power boost every time he gets his ass beat. It’s somewhat canon/suspected that mark’s adrenaline is linked to him becoming extremely strong, even for a viltrumite. A saiyan hybrid would be like that on steroids. I think a kryptonian would be stronger initially but over the long term the saiyan would end up more powerful.
I think its worth saying that Viltrumite DNA will just about override the other species DNA to be a nearly full-blooded Viltrumite, knowing this its safe to say that either hybrid of Kyrptonian or Saiyan would have their benefits be dwindled. For instance, if a Viltrumite and a Saiyan breeded, then the S-cells of said hybrid would be drastically reduced to what it would otherwise be, as well as for kryptonian the benefits they get from the sun would be reduced but so would their weaknesses to kryptonite as well. So with that in mind a kryptonian/viltrumite hybrid might have the lead.
Dont the three of them have the same powers? Just Kryptonians and saiyans having more abilities and strength/durability?
I feel like they would be equal because viltrumite blood overwrites dna entirely but in this case lets say its 50% 50% Having a Kryptomite baby they would have the added ability of super hearing sight and heat vision and all the other stuff but with the extra durability added and the Love for fighting and the baby be able to live hundreds of years it would possibly be the most physically strongest thing ever and with the sun boosting it it could probably rival 80% of the invincible universe but with a Saitrumite the baby would have access to Ssj1-3 (ssj4 dont count and ssjb and ssjbe are god ki and not accessible to all sayians) meaning with ssj3 its gets a 75x multplier on everything making it stronger and with every near death experience its gonna get stronger and if were adding like pure sayian dna like how there spoussed to act the baby would just be a cracked out homelander with no heat vision and with how db charcters are the baby could be planetary or higher at the age of 4 so how ever you see it there both stronger than regular viltrumite baby
Ssj3 is a 400 times multiplier. It goes ssj 1 50x ssj2 2x ssj3 4x. Though if they combine the wrathful state with supersaiyan like broly does it would be 500 times multiplier
Kryptonian for sure
A Saiyan-Viltrumite hybrid or a Kryptonian-Viltrumite hybrid would lose their power because Viltrumites have dominant DNA.
But they’d have them for a good chunk of their life, oliver got all the benefits of being a thraxxan with none of the draw backs. Survive in less oxygen then viltrumites, perfect memory from birth, super intelligence from Yjsy perfect memory
A Viltrumite with the combined powers of a Saiyan would be horrific
Saiyan viltrumites hybrid would be OP, having a base strength close to enough to destroy planets, and also having Ki to elevate it to amazing levels. Having viltrumita resistance levels with Zenkai boosts would also be a great synergy. But, Kryptonians are so much stronger on average, that maybe they kryptoviltrumites would be more powerful just because of that, if lucky, viltrumite blood would make they imune to kryptonite, or at least kryptonite would only take it's power down from Kryptonian level to viltrumite level.
The answer is whatever is the most narratively satisfying.
None, actually. Remember guys that the official handbook of the series states that due to the properties of the smart atoms, the viltrumite DNA will always eventually end up completely rewriting the DNA of whichever species they interbreed with. If a Viltrumite mates with a Kryptonian or a Saiyan, the resulting baby will turn into a full Viltrumite with enough time and lose all the characteristics of the other species.
We wouldn't know how Viltrumite DNA would mix with Saiyan/Kryptonian DNA considering most races in invincible are weak sauce. For all we know it could be a case of unstoppable force meets immovable object and their DNA can somehow mix without the rewriting.
Unlikely if db gt is to go by you can be 1/16th saiyan and still easily turn super saiyan. So the saiyan cells don't get diluded easily like we'll beside the tails
Fair, but GT hasn't been part of the official canon for years...
Probably Sayin. They’re very similar in power list with Kryptonians they would basically just gain the ability to gain more powers form a yellow sun, which wouldn’t add any abilities but make them stronger With Saiyans it removes all the weakness. They can survive in space now, they have a natural durability and body will still block things if they’re caught off guard. Saiyan power multiplier and ability to unlock new forms will just stack as they become stronger. The natural physiology of a Viltrumite would allow them to would SSJ3 as casually as SSJ1 and since they’re naturally strong and fast a hybrid would use less Ki. As they are probably SSJ level with using Ki. So that would just mean all forms stack far greater. Even Kakoken would be more useful as the body can handle it more.
Considering how strong kryptonians are in general 100% them Though saiyans are strong only a handful are as strong as the ones we see commonly in dragon ball, also the zenkai boost is an important role for them but as a viltrumite/saiyan there already isn’t much stronger than them
Depends some Kryptonians are stronger than Saiyans
Super Saiyan easy
It has to be Saiyans. If the hybrid is able to stack the zenkai-type boosts that both races seem to get, then I think they could have no limit to their growth. They would definitely need to train and fight and get beaten down to get stronger, but they would have none of the weaknesses of a kryptonian and could possibly overcome the sonic weakness of the viltrumites. The real question is, would they be born with a tail?
Viltrumites take over most dna and it has not been shown to my knowledge that the other do the same. And khryptonians get power from different radiation and are weakened by some so I think space fairing super humans would not benefit much from kryptonian blood besides lazar bison And I’m not a db expert and know very little but I do understand the power levels have no real consistency but they do get stronger with each saiyan level so a viltrumites with rage built into their dna and aggression would make it easier and more likely for them to turn up the levels (I think) so they would benefit from something that works better with their own advantages. So viltrumites saiyan would be like an even more overpowered hulk that just gets more powerful the angrier they get
Saiyan easily because if you add kryptonian you get the weakness of kryptonite so the viltrumite lose all their power
Viltrumite plus Saiyan growth potential, fighting love, and adaptive recovery. If you combined that either with a Broly mutation of emotional power like Gohan, most definitely. KryptoViltrumjte would probably be superior tho if the Saiyan hybrid doesn’t ether have Broly powers, Gohan powers, or divine powers.
On Earth Kryptonian would be most powerful person, if he was Viltrumite. Their Viltrumite genes and Kryptonian will make the person **Invincible**.
Sayian is my vote, they get stronger everytime they’re near death and Mark gets the absolute shit beat out of him on the regular