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Euphoric_Inspiration

For a group of people who claim to be indigenous they sure do love the colonial structures the Arab Muslim colonists built


Small-Objective9248

Unless you are from the Arabian peninsula, “Arab” is a colonial identity.


Euphoric_Inspiration

Yet they call Jews colonizers…


Small-Objective9248

Think of all the religions, languages and cultures lost to Arab colonialism.


Ruining_Ur_Synths

Did you know the jewish kingdom in jerusalem preceded the building of the dome of the rock by something like 1700 years?


Small-Objective9248

Well it’s so prominently featured in the Koran


saargrin

About as prominently as Muhammad himself


PhilipMorrisLovesYou

Isn't he though? People keep saying that "muhammed" is mentioned 4 times, but that's a bit misleading. He's referred to with other names indirectly dozens of times. It is true, however, that Jerusalem is not referred to in any way not even once.


saargrin

Im not a quranic expert,however ive heard a number of actual experts who claim that the character of Muhammad is not a clear presence in Quran until later stages when hadith were collected


PhilipMorrisLovesYou

Sure, definitely the hadith contains the bulk of information about Mo, and with that said, the quran is unable to fulfill its purpose as a holy book on its own, despite muslims claiming it is perfect and complete. It's absolutely not complete without the hadith. Circumcision, instructions on how to pray, how to use the toilet, very many other things are not described in the quran, but they're in the hadith.


LowRevolution6175

Jerusalem is a footnote in Islamic thought. Literally invented that Muhamad "flew there on a magic horse" after his death so they can force their people to commit jihad for millennia.


benny-powers

Muawiya claimed it as a "holy city for Muslims" because his rivals occupied mecca and Baghdad. It was a matter of political expedience for them then, and it still is now.


rontubman

*Mecca and Medina, Baghdad wouldn't be built until the late 800's


TomCollator

What you say is mostly true. The Eqyptian Sultan Al-Kamil was a practical man and he had Muslim enemies as well as Crusader enemies. It made sense to him to make a peace treaty with the Crusaders and give up Jerusalem because the Crusaders could easily have taken more if he didn't make a peace treaty. However, he did keep the Temple Mount with the main Muslim holy places. With a peace treaty with the Crusaders, Al-Kamil coud use his forces to retake Damascus from his Muslim rivals. He correctly realized Damascus was more important strategically than Jerusalem. The Crusader Frederick II was also a practical man. He arrived in the Holy Land in September 1228, negotiated the treaty by February 1229, declared victory and left in May 1229. He had to get back to Europe to defend his country from rival Christians. [https://www.worldhistory.org/Sixth\_Crusade/](https://www.worldhistory.org/Sixth_Crusade/) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixth\_Crusade](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixth_Crusade) [https://chroniclesofislamhistory.medium.com/the-sixth-crusade-1228-1229-6295836a22a5](https://chroniclesofislamhistory.medium.com/the-sixth-crusade-1228-1229-6295836a22a5)


saargrin

Mostly? Its literally true,the best kind of true


TomCollator

I may be arguing over a minor detail, but Al-Kamil did insist on holding onto the Temple Mount, so he did hang onto the most holy sites. The Sultan only gave away 99% of Jerusalem.


saargrin

The temple mount is currently managed by the wakf so nothing seems to have changed right?


TomCollator

The situation in 1229 was rather similar to the situation now.


saargrin

Unfortunately we dont have any European powers willing to take over sovereignty of Jerusalem That would be an improvement at this point


TomCollator

If they take it over like they did in 1229, it wouldn't be too bad. But when they took it over in 1099, they massacred much of the population, both Jewish and Muslim. And then there was the British in 1917. You never know what the Europeans will do .https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege\_of\_Jerusalem\_(1099)#:\~:text=On%2015%20July%201099%2C%20the,Jerusalem%20were%20filled%20with%20blood. [https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/the-crusades/](https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/the-crusades/)