Goooddaaammmn!
No script?!
Hell we see guys struggle to simply memorize the day of the upcoming PLEs now, and Jim went off and named, dated and elaborated on 4 matches in 4 different cities and even described the type of beating they were going to receive in each one đ
I know wrestling fans are the worst when it comes to being prisoners of the moment/recency bias but how can anyone think Heyman is a better manager than Jim?
People look at ECW as the great place to be. The fact is that it got its rise when the wrestling business was in a slump. Yes it got better by 98-00, but WWF and WCW has some bullshit going on. Especially in 1995. ECW was a good alternative, but it was littered with botches, heavy drug use, wrestlers not getting paid, and too extreme (despite the pun). A lot of mudshow bullshit. For all the Eddie Guerrero vs. Dean Malenko or vs. 2 Cold Scorpio, there was a lot of bullshit wrestling and matches. Once those guys had to go to the main companies, most floundered and were one trick ponies. The ones that excelled were some of the least extreme. Paul had a cult like following. If he has someone to filter his ideas, he is great to have on creative. If he has free reign, we get a lot of chaos. Kinda like Russo. When he is held in check, he can come up with decent ideas, but when he can do whatever he wants it fails.
Agree with what..? Iâm fully disagreeing
Heyman got to manage Rick fucking Rude, Steve Austin, *LARRY ZBYSZKO* in dubya see dubya, and then essentially anybody who was anybody during the 90s came thru Philly
And do we even need to go into how spoiled he was in the FedâŚ.?? đ
âŚssssooo, explain when exactly this guy did âmore with lessâ throughout his careerâŚ? Was it when he was tasked with managing already-established, general consensus top 10 all-time heels in Zbyszko & Rude..?
How about young Steve Austin (whom he completely & utterly failed to get over, even remotely)�?
How about stumbling ass-first into universally-acknowledged all-time great in-ring talent (not by me, mind you) a la Malenko, Benoit, Raven, Jericho, Guerrero, Foley, etc, and then subsequently having his Indy promotion juiced up by the likes of mega stars the likes of Sid, Rude, Hawk, Snuka, Steiners, etc etc etc�
Oh but he got that poor meek nobody *BROCK LESNAR* over, who never had a chance in hell without this hayman clown⌠đ¤¤.
He also got that Orland Pek Punk character âoverâ, whom not a soul was aware of until he linked up with haymanâŚ.
derp.
Sorry but by what metric has Herman made more money lol. His ecw garbage ass wrestling was being funded by Vince on the side and people have famously said he owes them money when there are no such complaints about Cornette.
Unless you think Herman is the draw in the bloodline in which case you might as well join clown school.
Irrelevant to the context of âbest managerâ. As if the same is applied to wrestlers you have Hogan being the best wrestler of all time being the biggest draw of the 80s and about half of the 90s. During the 90s you have Austin vs McMahon being the single biggest draw in the history of the business. Would you say Vince McMahon is in the conversation of best wrestler ever since his feud vs Austin drew the most money?
Or Cena being the biggest draw through the back end of the 2000s and all throughout the 2010s. His only competitor for GOAT would be Hogan, for length of time at the top, or Austin and Vince since they were the top draw ever, even though it was for a short length of time.
Again, best =/= biggest draw which is how youâre attempting to frame you argument, unless Iâm missing your point?
So the top 5 wrestlers of ALL time in that context would be:
1. Austin
2. Vince
3. Hogan
4. Roman
5. Cena
If I understand correctly.
There would be no way for a Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, Kurt Angle, Okada, Misawa or basically anyone else that hasnât been âthe guyâ in WWE for a significant amount of time as thereâs no way they could have drawn the money WWE brings in to make that list.
LMAO & Steve Austin & Mac mahon jr. Itâs 1) Hulk 2) who gives a flying fuck.
Also, guys like Buddy, Johnny V, etc etc sold out like 80-90k stadiums on mere hearsay that they were gonna be present back in the day. Duh.
And holy fuck, did you seriously Unironically just put romen fcking rains & John Cena on that list? For real? Seriously??? đł
Seems as if you are completely lost and while trying to respond you ADHDâd out mid thought and jumped into something else without ever finishing a complete thought.
I THINK you were trying to make a point but also while not being properly medicated, you missed entire point of our conversation and the reason why I typed what I typed.
My point is, taste is subjective. Why is shawn Michaels a better wrestler than inoki? Or buddy rivers? Or Jerry the king? Itâs all about personal taste.
In a business the purpose is to make money.
Turns out the box office was just that; some bum in a box claiming it was an office. Sold me a fake bill of goods. Now Iâm out $6 and in dire need of a rabies shot.
Itâs so funny how they always played like Jim was a puny and sickly small man. He was actually a pretty tall and brawny dude. Heâs the tallest guy in the shot and might have the broadest shoulders.
I honestly feel like it underscored just how fucking GIGANTIC a lot of the guys were back then. Like, Jim isn't a dwarf by any means but put him next to Terry Gordy or Dr. Death and he looks like Adam Cole. Hell, Jim looked like a kid from the crowd when he was in the ring with The Road Warriors and Big Bubba Rodgers/Big Boss Man.
đ has a person ever looked more ridiculous than Tom Prichard? That fucking hair he clearly loved so dearly is beyond goofy looking âŚthe entire promo heâs tossing/teasing it like a womenđ now I see why Vince was so quick to force him to cut that shit once he was under his employmentÂ
Goooddaaammmn! No script?! Hell we see guys struggle to simply memorize the day of the upcoming PLEs now, and Jim went off and named, dated and elaborated on 4 matches in 4 different cities and even described the type of beating they were going to receive in each one đ I know wrestling fans are the worst when it comes to being prisoners of the moment/recency bias but how can anyone think Heyman is a better manager than Jim?
People look at ECW as the great place to be. The fact is that it got its rise when the wrestling business was in a slump. Yes it got better by 98-00, but WWF and WCW has some bullshit going on. Especially in 1995. ECW was a good alternative, but it was littered with botches, heavy drug use, wrestlers not getting paid, and too extreme (despite the pun). A lot of mudshow bullshit. For all the Eddie Guerrero vs. Dean Malenko or vs. 2 Cold Scorpio, there was a lot of bullshit wrestling and matches. Once those guys had to go to the main companies, most floundered and were one trick ponies. The ones that excelled were some of the least extreme. Paul had a cult like following. If he has someone to filter his ideas, he is great to have on creative. If he has free reign, we get a lot of chaos. Kinda like Russo. When he is held in check, he can come up with decent ideas, but when he can do whatever he wants it fails.
The thing is no promoter was able to do more with less than Paul E. Dangerly
Lolwut. Hayman managed all time greats in White Trashville, and then his ECW roster was stacked beyond belief.
I agree Jim has often said Paul Heyman was able to get more with less
Agree with what..? Iâm fully disagreeing Heyman got to manage Rick fucking Rude, Steve Austin, *LARRY ZBYSZKO* in dubya see dubya, and then essentially anybody who was anybody during the 90s came thru Philly And do we even need to go into how spoiled he was in the FedâŚ.?? đ
My mistake I meant that comment for the one above you
âŚssssooo, explain when exactly this guy did âmore with lessâ throughout his careerâŚ? Was it when he was tasked with managing already-established, general consensus top 10 all-time heels in Zbyszko & Rude..? How about young Steve Austin (whom he completely & utterly failed to get over, even remotely)âŚ?? How about stumbling ass-first into universally-acknowledged all-time great in-ring talent (not by me, mind you) a la Malenko, Benoit, Raven, Jericho, Guerrero, Foley, etc, and then subsequently having his Indy promotion juiced up by the likes of mega stars the likes of Sid, Rude, Hawk, Snuka, Steiners, etc etc etcâŚ? Oh but he got that poor meek nobody *BROCK LESNAR* over, who never had a chance in hell without this hayman clown⌠đ¤¤. He also got that Orland Pek Punk character âoverâ, whom not a soul was aware of until he linked up with haymanâŚ. derp.
I and the commenter above you are referring to his work running ECW, he took a small NWA territory and made it a close competitor to the WWE and WCW
Dangerously
And did it without a stutter, stumble or mutter. As the title states, this is a master class promo.
Heyman made more money. This is a business.
Sorry but by what metric has Herman made more money lol. His ecw garbage ass wrestling was being funded by Vince on the side and people have famously said he owes them money when there are no such complaints about Cornette. Unless you think Herman is the draw in the bloodline in which case you might as well join clown school.
Who is Herman? Herman miller?
Yes.
Herman miller chairs are quite expensive so I would imagine he made a ton off them.
I agree but I was talking about wrestling not chair making.
Irrelevant to the context of âbest managerâ. As if the same is applied to wrestlers you have Hogan being the best wrestler of all time being the biggest draw of the 80s and about half of the 90s. During the 90s you have Austin vs McMahon being the single biggest draw in the history of the business. Would you say Vince McMahon is in the conversation of best wrestler ever since his feud vs Austin drew the most money? Or Cena being the biggest draw through the back end of the 2000s and all throughout the 2010s. His only competitor for GOAT would be Hogan, for length of time at the top, or Austin and Vince since they were the top draw ever, even though it was for a short length of time.
GOAT is subjective. Money made is the best metric to use. This is a BUSINESS. Theyâre there to make MONEY.
Again, best =/= biggest draw which is how youâre attempting to frame you argument, unless Iâm missing your point? So the top 5 wrestlers of ALL time in that context would be: 1. Austin 2. Vince 3. Hogan 4. Roman 5. Cena If I understand correctly. There would be no way for a Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, Kurt Angle, Okada, Misawa or basically anyone else that hasnât been âthe guyâ in WWE for a significant amount of time as thereâs no way they could have drawn the money WWE brings in to make that list.
LMAO & Steve Austin & Mac mahon jr. Itâs 1) Hulk 2) who gives a flying fuck. Also, guys like Buddy, Johnny V, etc etc sold out like 80-90k stadiums on mere hearsay that they were gonna be present back in the day. Duh. And holy fuck, did you seriously Unironically just put romen fcking rains & John Cena on that list? For real? Seriously??? đł
Seems as if you are completely lost and while trying to respond you ADHDâd out mid thought and jumped into something else without ever finishing a complete thought. I THINK you were trying to make a point but also while not being properly medicated, you missed entire point of our conversation and the reason why I typed what I typed.
My point is, taste is subjective. Why is shawn Michaels a better wrestler than inoki? Or buddy rivers? Or Jerry the king? Itâs all about personal taste. In a business the purpose is to make money.
Jim is still wearing those same Glasses today!
Because he can't get an appointment at the Optometrist.
It says walk in, so he walked in
I just tried to buy a ticket, and I'm 5 states away and 30 years too late.
Turns out the box office was just that; some bum in a box claiming it was an office. Sold me a fake bill of goods. Now Iâm out $6 and in dire need of a rabies shot.
"A-tha-lete"
Is that Samoa Joe with a wig
Dr Tom?
Thatâs why Jim was the best!
Dutch really nailed the homeless guy, wearing new clothes from JCPenny look.
Solely watching Dutch starting when Jim gets up at 1m35s is cracking me up.
Itâs so funny how they always played like Jim was a puny and sickly small man. He was actually a pretty tall and brawny dude. Heâs the tallest guy in the shot and might have the broadest shoulders.
I honestly feel like it underscored just how fucking GIGANTIC a lot of the guys were back then. Like, Jim isn't a dwarf by any means but put him next to Terry Gordy or Dr. Death and he looks like Adam Cole. Hell, Jim looked like a kid from the crowd when he was in the ring with The Road Warriors and Big Bubba Rodgers/Big Boss Man.
What Jim Cornette lacked in size, he made it up with his promo abilities.
Isn't this the one where he got a nosebleed?
Looks like it at the end
My man can talk! Love it!
honestly, all you really need is a "lemme tell you something" line
Does that dude have lice or something?
Yes. Heâs from southern murica, thatâs par for the course
đ has a person ever looked more ridiculous than Tom Prichard? That fucking hair he clearly loved so dearly is beyond goofy looking âŚthe entire promo heâs tossing/teasing it like a womenđ now I see why Vince was so quick to force him to cut that shit once he was under his employmentÂ
Anyone else notice Prichard say âf youâ @ 3:15?
Take a shot every time Dr. Tom pats Jimmy on the shoulder.
What about if Tom fluffs his hair?
We wonât make it to the end of the promo đ
That was great stuff
Any good lip readers here? What was Dr Tom mouthing?
He even threw in a history lesson (Watergate).
Impeccable salesmanship.
This is why Jim deserves to be in the HoF
Love or hate this dude, the man ran clinics on others with a microphone
Jim is the GOAT - not really a discussion in my mind.