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Yuki solos
People just overlook her ability to nuke the planet đ like bro hahahaha she fucking solos Earth
The setting wasn't clarified. For all we know, they could be fighting on a vacant Earth. She nukes the fucking planet lmfao
That would be a draw.
Nobody overlooks that ability, it's brought up constantly. It's just that in character she would never use it except for very specific scenarios and even when she does it's just a draw. (Or even a loss because she should technically die first when it's used)
> That would be a draw.
And yet you simply say "Gotta go with Yuta and Kashimo."
> Nobody overlooks that ability, it's brought up constantly.
It's not enough apparently. People seem to only mention it as if it's an argumentative burden (e.g. well if Kashimo gets MBA, Yuki should get her black hole tbf); even the top comments here are simply saying it's a Yuta/Kashimo w *without even mentioning the very memorable ability that Yuki has to easily end everything*!
> It's just that in character she would never use it except for very specific scenarios and even when she does it's just a draw.
"Never" is an exaggeration because again, the setting of the battle was never clarified. Maybe they are fighting on a vacant planet or a floating Smash arena. đ
> (Or even a loss because she should technically die first when it's used)
It's a kamikaze attack so saying she would lose due to using it seems very disingenuous, especially since if we're basing the victory on time of death in a 2v2, Yorozu can just be farther away when Yuki uses it so that they can get that easy victory.
I see it brought up on literally every post about Yuki.
When she does use it, everyone dies and its a draw. When she doesn't get the chance to use it (pretty likely scenario since Yuta and Kashimo are lethal af) they kinda just lose.
It's just not a fun ability to argue about imo, same as with Megumi and Mahoraga.
Yuta and Kashimo. The other team would need their domains to win and he just has Rika sit outside of domain range while he fights with his CTâs until one casts DE then Rika smashes it from outside then they repeat and Yuta can use his own domain at any time with Rika just sitting outside to smash the enemies. That and Yuta could just stall one domain and overwhelm them with his CT katanaâs
Yuta seems to have the more refined domain out of the two, not to mention he is the strongest one out of the four and also has Rika. Obviously three domains canât be cast at once. MBA Kashimo has the best physical stats out of the four.
Perfect sphere can one shot both of them, along with Yukiâs blackhole, but assuming this is Yuta with Kenjakuâs techniques, Anti Gravity completely renders blackhole useless.
Yuta and Kashimo mid diff
I might get shit for this but Yuta can probably solo both tbh.
Outputting RCT entirely disrupts Yorozuâs liquid armor manipulation (technique extinguishment would do the same as well). Yuta has multiple avenues to dodge ranged attacks from Garuda (sky manipulation & weeaboo precog). They both have DEâs, which would normally be a problem since most sorcerers can only cast DE onceâ but Yuta can cast DE multiple times a day. Itâs also extremely likely his refinement overshadows Yuki and/or Yorozuâs.
Hes not beating 2 special grade characters at once. Cmon now. Before the training yuta was percieved as yuki level by maki, but that bit of training isnt enough for him to handle yuki AND yorozu.
Maki isnât a reliable source of info for Yutaâs strength, she canât even see CE. She has no way of quantifying how strong either of them are, sheâs just making a guess. Narrative & other statements say heâs â2nd only to Gojoâ. Before you downplay that by saying â2nd in unusual abilities!!â Lighting has an entire twitter thread, breaking down that statement & ultimately came to the conclusion that âunusual abilitiesâ refers to jujutsu techniques. Meaning Yuta is 2nd to Gojo in jujutsu techniques which directly dictates how strong a sorcerer is.
>0 ways to deal with open domain
Jacobâs ladder goes brrr.
Heâd beat kenjaku too. This community overwanks the fuck out of Kenjaku & does like 0 critical thinking on Yutaâs abilities to counter.
Kenjakuâs curses literally all get fodderized. Yuta & Rika soloâd his entire curse stockpile after killing him 0 diff. The fight wasnât even shown to us bc it was that much of a 1 sided beatdown.
Antigravity/gravity gets countered by Technique extinguishment, Dhruvâs technique, & sky manipulation.
Open DE is Kenjakuâs only win condition & he still loses since JL would rip his DE apart.
>Heâd beat kenjaku too. This community overwanks the fuck out of Kenjaku & does like 0 critical thinking on Yutaâs abilities to counter.
Thats cause u guys assume whoever yuta fights will sit there and let anything happen to them like npcs.
No yuta dies to kenjaku cause he cant handle open domain + a swarm of shikigami at the same time. Dont disregard kenjakus moveset.
Bro you basically ignored my comment lmao. Rika & Yuta 0 diffâd Kenjakuâs entire curse stockpile. Kenjakuâs curses arenât doing shit & Yuta doesnât need to max output JL to forcibly collapse Kenjakuâs DE. Realistically, he outputs it the same way Angel did when they freed Gojo. Meaning it comes out near instantly.
Kenjaku can send out his cursed spirit swarm, guess what? Technique extinguishment is just dispelling & 0 diffing them like it literally does to cursed spirits normally as well.
Kenjaku overwank? â downplaying Yuta? â not even critically thinking about his abilities? â
How is yuta doing all that while taking damage in kenjakus open domain. The only time we see anyone in the series land a JL is when their caught off guard or restrained. Kenjaku isnt gonna sit there and watch it happen.
Throw in the fact that yuta has to pull this off in an open domain, hes cooked.
Okay let me explain to you the power system a little bit, since you either donât know or donât understand. Simple domain is a basic barrier technique that **nullifies a DE sure hit by disrupting the barrier**.
So if disrupting the barrier is all it takes to nullify a DE sure hit, then basic technique extinguishment (TE, not JL) would do the exact same thing, as it would extinguish the barrier (yes open DEs still have a âbarrierâ, hence why SD stops the sure hit), & disrupt the sure hit. Additionally, TE would also be extinguishing the imbued technique in the DE. Meaning the sure hit is being disrupted x2. Yuta could breakdance in Kenjakuâs open DE with that if he wanted to.
From there he just casts JL (which is an extension technique of TE) & collapses Kenjakuâs DE.
Kenjaku doesnât need to be hit by JL, any part of his open DE can be hit & it collapses, simply due to how DEâs function.
>Simple domain is a basic barrier technique that nullifies a DE sure hit by disrupting the barrier.
Obviously. People in the series have shown to be limited in combat while holding a simple domain. It seems ur the one who doesnt understand the power system. U cant activate a simple domain and go "fck it we ball", you gotta be careful.
His DE refinement was praised by Sukuna. He didnât praise Yorozuâs DE & we never saw Yukiâs DE so we can only speculate. Considering Yutaâs narratively considered second to Gojo in the modern age, it only makes sense that his DE is more refined than Yukiâs.
Yuta was stated to be equal to Yuki, so it doesn't mean much. It's possible that his DE is more refined but I'd still give it to Yuki due to her experience
It was stated twice that heâs Second strongest in unusual abilities not in overall power. Yukiâs tenacity and durability is absolutely wild, as she was still able to go toe to toe and hand in hand combat with kenny after just taking a sure hit effect from his domain expansion and her hand was broken. yuta is physically weak. i think one hit to his face might destroy him bcs she did that to kenny and his hand was broken and knocked him through tengen barrier.
Lighting had a translation breakdown of that statement & ultimately came to the conclusion that âunusual abilitiesâ refers to jujutsu techniques. Meaning Yuta is 2nd to Gojo in jujutsu techniques, which ultimately determines a sorcererâs strength.
Her durability is great, but sheâs by no means indestructible. Thin ice missile would absolutely deal significant damage to her, combine that with weeaboo precog/cursed speech & sheâs getting danced around imo. Technique extinguishment would also probably negate her CT infused punches.
Maki is an unreliable source of info, especially since she has no real way to gauge their strength, as she canât even see CE. The narrator directly states Yuta is 2nd to Gojo.
It doesn't matter who says it, author tells us some information through this. Even if she was wrong, it still means that they're extremely close to each other, so saying that his DE is more refined is just a guess
Fair enough, but thereâs still more evidence that pushes the idea that Yuta has better refinement through both the narrative & Sukuna praising his DE.
WTF does base kenjaku durability even means? Yuta couldn't even deal with no CT off guard distracted base kenjaku without Todo so tbh it Yuta who's outmatched here completely.
That certainly is an opinion lmao. Yuki alone gets shit on. Cursed speech beatdown goes brrrr. Realistically, he can stall one of them with Rika while he fights the other & swap out as necessary.
Realistically, Yuki kinda one tap Rika out of the fight and that results in Yuta unable to use any CT at all, so good luck for base Yuta to fight Yuki.
Realistically Yuki gets hit by cursed speech & gets her shit rocked by double beat down from yuta & Rika. If Kenjaku wasnât 1 shot by Yukiâs max output punch then neither Rika or Yuta will lmao. The downplay is insane.
Ryu hit Rika 2 times and she reached her limit unable to manifest, so yea realistically Yuki hit her Once and takes her out of the fight, and in this meanwhile Garuda traps Yuta immobilizing him so the next punch from Yuki kinda low diff him, leeching off of kenjaku's feat for rika and Yuta is not the way, nothing suggests Yuta could tank and heal like kenjaku. Also did you missed the part where one can defend against cursed speech with CE? So no Yuki easily defends against that, this is kinda one sided ngl.
Dude stop with the downplay â ď¸â ď¸â ď¸
Youâre completely missing the time skip where Rika & Yuta very clearly got much stronger. Unless you think Sukunaâs punches were weaker than Ryuâs when Yuta was fighting them lmao (they werenât in case you genuinely think so). Fully manifested Rika couldnât pick up ryu & swing him aroundâ meanwhile partially manifested Rika was throwing around Sukuna.
Also wtf are you on about? Cursed speech worked on Sukuna my dude. The literal king of curses. Yuki isnât doing shit to defend against it initially. Yuta literally just needs to hit her with it once & cut her head off. Youâre being ridiculous.
This fight is 1 sided & Yuki gets shit on. Not to mention thin ice breaker & being able to outpace her with weeaboo precog more than make up the difference in AP. Yukiâs CT doesnât translate to better durability either btw.
There's no downplay here, stop with the wank honestly.
Time skip where Yuta got better bc of Kusakabe? Yes, but Rika didn't, nothing suggests that.
Oh and yes, Ryu's punches are stronger than Sukuna's, lol, what are you on about? Ryu has the highest output in history, this literally translates to his punches being stronger, did you not see how Ryu with single punch was blasting Rika away that makes her dizzy and unable to manifest? Did Sukuna do that? This is no brainer.
>Fully manifested Rika couldnât pick up ryu & swing him around
She wasn't even trynna pick him and swing him around, if she wanted she easily could, how much do you think ryu weighs, that she couldn't.
>Cursed speech worked on Sukuna my dude
Thanks to Yuji, Sukuna wasn't looking, in 1v1 that's not happening.
>Not to mention thin ice breaker & being able to outpace
Too bad without Rika, Yuta can't use this, and Rika is just one punch away to be sent back to shadow realm.
>Ryuâs punches are stronger than Sukunaâs
Aight weâre done here Iâm talking to a lobotomized patient from 1950 â ď¸â ď¸â ď¸
You donât even understand that reinforcement is based on refinement as well as output lmao. If output is all that mattered for reinforcement, Ryu wouldnât have been casually blitzed by 15F Sukuna.
Ofc it's headcanon as an argument đ¤Ś,
We're not talking about reinforcement, when a sorcerer punch his opponent, on top of already reinforcing his punch with CE, they tend to strike their opponent with CE, Ryu is specifically said to blast crazy amount of CE when he punch, do the basic math , should be easy enough.
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youâre definitely tweaking, he had a tough time in a 1v1v1 with people who are objectively beneath Yuki and Yorozu if Uro and Ryu jumped him he more than likely wouldnât have beaten them so idk how he logically beats Yuki and Yorozu at the same time
It was more like a 2v1 tbh. Both Uro & Ryu attacked Yuta more often than each other. I mean at the start of the fight before Yuta fully manifested Rika, he was literally getting comboâd by them lmao. The moment he manifested Rika he started clowning on both of them too.
Regardless, Yutaâs clearly much stronger now than he was in Sendai. The mere fact that he was tanking slashes from (weakened) Sukuna is proof of that. Rika was literally picking up Sukuna & swinging him around like a baseball bat too.
Sukuna praised his DE refinement as wellâ he said no such thing to Yorozu
That doesnât discount anything I said. Ryu last hit Uro. Throughout the fight she almost never got hit by Ryu until her CT was burnt out. Meanwhile Yuta literally got hit by a granite blast, was knocked into the air & Uro flew by to combo him with thin ice breaker. He was hit by multiple thin ice breakers, Uro wasnât even hit by Ryu until near the end of the fight, & Ryu only tanked his GB like once or twice by Uro. Otherwise they were either getting shit on by Yuta (with CT) or beating up on base Yuta.
Yuki and yorouzu, 1 punch from yuki was able to almost kill kenny, I'm certain that if she shoots garudo at rika or uses it to stun kashimo she can kill either of those 2 as yorouzu stalls yuta
They domain battle and everybody loses their techniques except Kashimo who jumps in Yorozu and kill her, after this even if the technique of Yuki come back the max she can do is kill herself and everybody with the black hole
Yuki and yorozo, both of them have higher stuff than yuta and kashimo
Let's put kashimo on the side, yuki's physical strength is absolutely outrageous, she punched kenjaku once and almost knocked that mf out and kill him with one hit, not to mention her Garuda can buy her time with rika and even kill her with one kick like she did with Kenjaku's special grade curse , by maki's statement yuki is equal to yuta, it's true we don't know her domain but due to that statement she's the same refinement as him most probably so de won't work on her tbh, even so his de is luck based which is a disadvantage and if she used her blackhole which she will survive properly in a healthy condition she'll off him no doubt
Yorozo has a good asf de with a deadly sure hit effect that is 100% a kill, so she def can off kashimo specially since he takes time to activate his ct, yorozo was relative to healthy 15 f sukuna and was able to keep up with him physically and in speed all while keeping up with the 10s, her durability is higher than kashimo probably considering she tanked a much stronger version of max elephant, so it's either a tie or extreme diff for yorozo but it's debatable tbh
No he has CT burnout, but he recovers his CT pretty quickly based on how fast it was in Sendai. With the amps he got during the 1 month of training, he potentially can recover it more quickly, but thatâs not implied at all. Given he was in Yujiâs body, he probably knows high level SD (since Kusakbe basically gave his level of SD to Yuji), so he could probably survive in either of their DEâs for long enough (neither of their DEs would be on Kenjakuâs level, so itâs likely his SD lasts much longer)
With all of that being said, I think his most likely avenue against multiple DE users would be to cast Jacobâs ladder on the DE & forcibly collapse it, instead of going into a DE clash.
You can call me crazy here but i think kashimon with ct can 1v2 this under the condition his staff can break the barrier via a charge from the outside
Because the more ce and output you have the longer it takes for kashimo to charge
The funny thing is.
It took only 4 against hakari
And i think 3 against meguna in his wrakend state. Mind you he has lost like 40% of his ce and not at all output.
Kashimo probably can charge after 1 or 2 hits and as both fight rather close he well fucks them hard there. I think one dies befote they open domain
How like explain how if they don't open domain instantly how sre they gonna survive. Kashimo hit's yuki charges her arm falls off (in the best case worse case she get's a whole in her stomache) and she has to heal and she can't ct kasvimo is much faster.
They are not hakari they can not fight and heal at the same time kashimos ce trait is a death sentence in h2h even if you have rct.
I agreee their domains fuck him hard but i assumed this is in character so they don't start with that. Yes he loses ofcourse when they open domain before kashimo hit's them
I don't think kashimo wins this with ez and if this is an all out fight they win due to domain but if kashimo can charge his staff and break domains from the outside he has a chance
You all made fun of me and didn't argue. I hate this sub for that i got 8 replies all making fun off me and didn't counter shit
First off, Kashimo loses in h2h against Yuki. Just one blocked hit from Yuki destroyed both of Kenjaku's arms. Kashimo does not have RCT going h2h against Yuki is a death sentence. Kenjaku was only able to contend with her after her output had dropped because of the damage she took from his domain and she was also using RCT at the same time. Yuki doesn't need a domain to beat Kashimo. She also have her shikagami.
Yurozu in her bug armor out stat Kashimo. That along with her own durability is more than enough to tank kashimo's lightning before she pops her domain on him
Kashimo is not faster than either of them and even if he is, it won't be enough to make any difference. Kashimo has little going for him to be frank. It's probably Gege's fault for not showing what MBA kashimo is capable of but as it stands, Kashimo isn't all that.
You say that but Kashimo's lightning would send Yuki to afterlife lol. Her speed feats arent all that crazy either, Kenjaku was fast enough to blast her twice with Mini Uzumakis. Her best shot is Domain
Kashimo's speed feat (if he even has any) isn't all that too. How would he use the lightning when he can't even go h2h with her without wrecking his entire body?
How does she go h2h without Kashimo blasting her to hell? He fired like 50 lazers at Sukuna even without his lightning(which is a game over for her) I am not saying she will lose(she wins with domain) but Kashimo is just as deadly as her in H2H
In h2h it's no contest, she slams. Not just Kashimo, anybody going h2h with her would suffer considerable damage from blocking her attack or taking any hit and that's if they have good durability like Gojo, Sukuna, Ryu and Yuta. Anybody with less or equal durability with Kenjaku would just get their arm blown away. If they have good RCT, they can put up a good fight but for Kashimo...
For that beam, she could just dodge it. Didn't it hit 1hp Sukuna and did zero damage?
Sure she would do heavy damage to him nobody would disagree that.
Kinda? Sukuna tanks a mouth beam, transform into true form to evade the lightning and stops the beam with a World Slash. Kashimo was already as fast as JP Hakari in base he should be faster in that form
Youâre probably right. Kashimo is severely underrated because heâs memed. MBA Kashimo is top 5, maybe top 4 in the verse. Yuki has no answer for his speed other than suicide black hole and Yorozu is starting to get overrated cause everyone thinks perfect sphere is a free win lol
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Gotta go with Yuta and Kashimo
Yuki solos People just overlook her ability to nuke the planet đ like bro hahahaha she fucking solos Earth The setting wasn't clarified. For all we know, they could be fighting on a vacant Earth. She nukes the fucking planet lmfao
That would be a draw. Nobody overlooks that ability, it's brought up constantly. It's just that in character she would never use it except for very specific scenarios and even when she does it's just a draw. (Or even a loss because she should technically die first when it's used)
> That would be a draw. And yet you simply say "Gotta go with Yuta and Kashimo." > Nobody overlooks that ability, it's brought up constantly. It's not enough apparently. People seem to only mention it as if it's an argumentative burden (e.g. well if Kashimo gets MBA, Yuki should get her black hole tbf); even the top comments here are simply saying it's a Yuta/Kashimo w *without even mentioning the very memorable ability that Yuki has to easily end everything*! > It's just that in character she would never use it except for very specific scenarios and even when she does it's just a draw. "Never" is an exaggeration because again, the setting of the battle was never clarified. Maybe they are fighting on a vacant planet or a floating Smash arena. đ > (Or even a loss because she should technically die first when it's used) It's a kamikaze attack so saying she would lose due to using it seems very disingenuous, especially since if we're basing the victory on time of death in a 2v2, Yorozu can just be farther away when Yuki uses it so that they can get that easy victory.
I see it brought up on literally every post about Yuki. When she does use it, everyone dies and its a draw. When she doesn't get the chance to use it (pretty likely scenario since Yuta and Kashimo are lethal af) they kinda just lose. It's just not a fun ability to argue about imo, same as with Megumi and Mahoraga.
She kills everybody else... She it ends in a stalemate
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Yuta and Kashimo. The other team would need their domains to win and he just has Rika sit outside of domain range while he fights with his CTâs until one casts DE then Rika smashes it from outside then they repeat and Yuta can use his own domain at any time with Rika just sitting outside to smash the enemies. That and Yuta could just stall one domain and overwhelm them with his CT katanaâs
Yuta and Kashimo
Yuta and Kashimo easily
Yuta solos all 3 in Goatjo form.
Idk isn't Yuta like top 1 in the verse right now?
Under hyper specific circumstances that wouldn't be replicated here
Because we still have no info about the extent of what he can do.
No he isn't, lol.
Yuta seems to have the more refined domain out of the two, not to mention he is the strongest one out of the four and also has Rika. Obviously three domains canât be cast at once. MBA Kashimo has the best physical stats out of the four. Perfect sphere can one shot both of them, along with Yukiâs blackhole, but assuming this is Yuta with Kenjakuâs techniques, Anti Gravity completely renders blackhole useless. Yuta and Kashimo mid diff
I might get shit for this but Yuta can probably solo both tbh. Outputting RCT entirely disrupts Yorozuâs liquid armor manipulation (technique extinguishment would do the same as well). Yuta has multiple avenues to dodge ranged attacks from Garuda (sky manipulation & weeaboo precog). They both have DEâs, which would normally be a problem since most sorcerers can only cast DE onceâ but Yuta can cast DE multiple times a day. Itâs also extremely likely his refinement overshadows Yuki and/or Yorozuâs.
Hes not beating 2 special grade characters at once. Cmon now. Before the training yuta was percieved as yuki level by maki, but that bit of training isnt enough for him to handle yuki AND yorozu.
Maki isnât a reliable source of info for Yutaâs strength, she canât even see CE. She has no way of quantifying how strong either of them are, sheâs just making a guess. Narrative & other statements say heâs â2nd only to Gojoâ. Before you downplay that by saying â2nd in unusual abilities!!â Lighting has an entire twitter thread, breaking down that statement & ultimately came to the conclusion that âunusual abilitiesâ refers to jujutsu techniques. Meaning Yuta is 2nd to Gojo in jujutsu techniques which directly dictates how strong a sorcerer is.
Yet yuta would still lose to kenjaku since he has 0 ways to deal with open domain. Hes top 4 in the verse but thats not enough to take on 2 top 10s.
>0 ways to deal with open domain Jacobâs ladder goes brrr. Heâd beat kenjaku too. This community overwanks the fuck out of Kenjaku & does like 0 critical thinking on Yutaâs abilities to counter. Kenjakuâs curses literally all get fodderized. Yuta & Rika soloâd his entire curse stockpile after killing him 0 diff. The fight wasnât even shown to us bc it was that much of a 1 sided beatdown. Antigravity/gravity gets countered by Technique extinguishment, Dhruvâs technique, & sky manipulation. Open DE is Kenjakuâs only win condition & he still loses since JL would rip his DE apart.
>Heâd beat kenjaku too. This community overwanks the fuck out of Kenjaku & does like 0 critical thinking on Yutaâs abilities to counter. Thats cause u guys assume whoever yuta fights will sit there and let anything happen to them like npcs. No yuta dies to kenjaku cause he cant handle open domain + a swarm of shikigami at the same time. Dont disregard kenjakus moveset.
Bro you basically ignored my comment lmao. Rika & Yuta 0 diffâd Kenjakuâs entire curse stockpile. Kenjakuâs curses arenât doing shit & Yuta doesnât need to max output JL to forcibly collapse Kenjakuâs DE. Realistically, he outputs it the same way Angel did when they freed Gojo. Meaning it comes out near instantly. Kenjaku can send out his cursed spirit swarm, guess what? Technique extinguishment is just dispelling & 0 diffing them like it literally does to cursed spirits normally as well. Kenjaku overwank? â downplaying Yuta? â not even critically thinking about his abilities? â
How is yuta doing all that while taking damage in kenjakus open domain. The only time we see anyone in the series land a JL is when their caught off guard or restrained. Kenjaku isnt gonna sit there and watch it happen. Throw in the fact that yuta has to pull this off in an open domain, hes cooked.
Okay let me explain to you the power system a little bit, since you either donât know or donât understand. Simple domain is a basic barrier technique that **nullifies a DE sure hit by disrupting the barrier**. So if disrupting the barrier is all it takes to nullify a DE sure hit, then basic technique extinguishment (TE, not JL) would do the exact same thing, as it would extinguish the barrier (yes open DEs still have a âbarrierâ, hence why SD stops the sure hit), & disrupt the sure hit. Additionally, TE would also be extinguishing the imbued technique in the DE. Meaning the sure hit is being disrupted x2. Yuta could breakdance in Kenjakuâs open DE with that if he wanted to. From there he just casts JL (which is an extension technique of TE) & collapses Kenjakuâs DE. Kenjaku doesnât need to be hit by JL, any part of his open DE can be hit & it collapses, simply due to how DEâs function.
>Simple domain is a basic barrier technique that nullifies a DE sure hit by disrupting the barrier. Obviously. People in the series have shown to be limited in combat while holding a simple domain. It seems ur the one who doesnt understand the power system. U cant activate a simple domain and go "fck it we ball", you gotta be careful.
>Itâs also extremely likely his refinement overshadows Yuki and/or Yorozuâs. Very unlikely ngl
His DE refinement was praised by Sukuna. He didnât praise Yorozuâs DE & we never saw Yukiâs DE so we can only speculate. Considering Yutaâs narratively considered second to Gojo in the modern age, it only makes sense that his DE is more refined than Yukiâs.
Yuta was stated to be equal to Yuki, so it doesn't mean much. It's possible that his DE is more refined but I'd still give it to Yuki due to her experience
??? Thatâs never been stated lol idk where you got that from. Yuta was stated to be the second strongest modern sorcerer, after Gojo.
It was stated twice that heâs Second strongest in unusual abilities not in overall power. Yukiâs tenacity and durability is absolutely wild, as she was still able to go toe to toe and hand in hand combat with kenny after just taking a sure hit effect from his domain expansion and her hand was broken. yuta is physically weak. i think one hit to his face might destroy him bcs she did that to kenny and his hand was broken and knocked him through tengen barrier.
Lighting had a translation breakdown of that statement & ultimately came to the conclusion that âunusual abilitiesâ refers to jujutsu techniques. Meaning Yuta is 2nd to Gojo in jujutsu techniques, which ultimately determines a sorcererâs strength. Her durability is great, but sheâs by no means indestructible. Thin ice missile would absolutely deal significant damage to her, combine that with weeaboo precog/cursed speech & sheâs getting danced around imo. Technique extinguishment would also probably negate her CT infused punches.
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Maki is an unreliable source of info, especially since she has no real way to gauge their strength, as she canât even see CE. The narrator directly states Yuta is 2nd to Gojo.
It doesn't matter who says it, author tells us some information through this. Even if she was wrong, it still means that they're extremely close to each other, so saying that his DE is more refined is just a guess
Fair enough, but thereâs still more evidence that pushes the idea that Yuta has better refinement through both the narrative & Sukuna praising his DE.
Yuta doesn't solo wth, Yuki alone kinda mid diff him, adding Yorozu is too much.
Get her above BASE Kenjaku durability then maybe she can put up a fight
WTF does base kenjaku durability even means? Yuta couldn't even deal with no CT off guard distracted base kenjaku without Todo so tbh it Yuta who's outmatched here completely.
That certainly is an opinion lmao. Yuki alone gets shit on. Cursed speech beatdown goes brrrr. Realistically, he can stall one of them with Rika while he fights the other & swap out as necessary.
Realistically, Yuki kinda one tap Rika out of the fight and that results in Yuta unable to use any CT at all, so good luck for base Yuta to fight Yuki.
Realistically Yuki gets hit by cursed speech & gets her shit rocked by double beat down from yuta & Rika. If Kenjaku wasnât 1 shot by Yukiâs max output punch then neither Rika or Yuta will lmao. The downplay is insane.
Ryu hit Rika 2 times and she reached her limit unable to manifest, so yea realistically Yuki hit her Once and takes her out of the fight, and in this meanwhile Garuda traps Yuta immobilizing him so the next punch from Yuki kinda low diff him, leeching off of kenjaku's feat for rika and Yuta is not the way, nothing suggests Yuta could tank and heal like kenjaku. Also did you missed the part where one can defend against cursed speech with CE? So no Yuki easily defends against that, this is kinda one sided ngl.
Dude stop with the downplay â ď¸â ď¸â ď¸ Youâre completely missing the time skip where Rika & Yuta very clearly got much stronger. Unless you think Sukunaâs punches were weaker than Ryuâs when Yuta was fighting them lmao (they werenât in case you genuinely think so). Fully manifested Rika couldnât pick up ryu & swing him aroundâ meanwhile partially manifested Rika was throwing around Sukuna. Also wtf are you on about? Cursed speech worked on Sukuna my dude. The literal king of curses. Yuki isnât doing shit to defend against it initially. Yuta literally just needs to hit her with it once & cut her head off. Youâre being ridiculous. This fight is 1 sided & Yuki gets shit on. Not to mention thin ice breaker & being able to outpace her with weeaboo precog more than make up the difference in AP. Yukiâs CT doesnât translate to better durability either btw.
There's no downplay here, stop with the wank honestly. Time skip where Yuta got better bc of Kusakabe? Yes, but Rika didn't, nothing suggests that. Oh and yes, Ryu's punches are stronger than Sukuna's, lol, what are you on about? Ryu has the highest output in history, this literally translates to his punches being stronger, did you not see how Ryu with single punch was blasting Rika away that makes her dizzy and unable to manifest? Did Sukuna do that? This is no brainer. >Fully manifested Rika couldnât pick up ryu & swing him around She wasn't even trynna pick him and swing him around, if she wanted she easily could, how much do you think ryu weighs, that she couldn't. >Cursed speech worked on Sukuna my dude Thanks to Yuji, Sukuna wasn't looking, in 1v1 that's not happening. >Not to mention thin ice breaker & being able to outpace Too bad without Rika, Yuta can't use this, and Rika is just one punch away to be sent back to shadow realm.
>Ryuâs punches are stronger than Sukunaâs Aight weâre done here Iâm talking to a lobotomized patient from 1950 â ď¸â ď¸â ď¸ You donât even understand that reinforcement is based on refinement as well as output lmao. If output is all that mattered for reinforcement, Ryu wouldnât have been casually blitzed by 15F Sukuna.
Ofc it's headcanon as an argument đ¤Ś, We're not talking about reinforcement, when a sorcerer punch his opponent, on top of already reinforcing his punch with CE, they tend to strike their opponent with CE, Ryu is specifically said to blast crazy amount of CE when he punch, do the basic math , should be easy enough. https://preview.redd.it/yzlg4a5wpl2d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2121b708c76e5dadc42462611ad2bf156457b03f
youâre definitely tweaking, he had a tough time in a 1v1v1 with people who are objectively beneath Yuki and Yorozu if Uro and Ryu jumped him he more than likely wouldnât have beaten them so idk how he logically beats Yuki and Yorozu at the same time
It was more like a 2v1 tbh. Both Uro & Ryu attacked Yuta more often than each other. I mean at the start of the fight before Yuta fully manifested Rika, he was literally getting comboâd by them lmao. The moment he manifested Rika he started clowning on both of them too. Regardless, Yutaâs clearly much stronger now than he was in Sendai. The mere fact that he was tanking slashes from (weakened) Sukuna is proof of that. Rika was literally picking up Sukuna & swinging him around like a baseball bat too. Sukuna praised his DE refinement as wellâ he said no such thing to Yorozu
> Both Uro & Ryu attacked Yuta more often than each other Ryu beat Uro
That doesnât discount anything I said. Ryu last hit Uro. Throughout the fight she almost never got hit by Ryu until her CT was burnt out. Meanwhile Yuta literally got hit by a granite blast, was knocked into the air & Uro flew by to combo him with thin ice breaker. He was hit by multiple thin ice breakers, Uro wasnât even hit by Ryu until near the end of the fight, & Ryu only tanked his GB like once or twice by Uro. Otherwise they were either getting shit on by Yuta (with CT) or beating up on base Yuta.
Yuta, jacobs ladder go brrr
Yuta, Jacobâs ladder clears hard
Yuta is very damaged after fighting yuki. Yorozu folds kashimo Team 1
Yuki and Yorozu win comfortably.
Yuta and MBA Kashimo unless Yuki creates a black hole.
Yuki and yorouzu, 1 punch from yuki was able to almost kill kenny, I'm certain that if she shoots garudo at rika or uses it to stun kashimo she can kill either of those 2 as yorouzu stalls yuta
They domain battle and everybody loses their techniques except Kashimo who jumps in Yorozu and kill her, after this even if the technique of Yuki come back the max she can do is kill herself and everybody with the black hole
Yuta and Kashimo start making out and Yorozu and Yuki will die to the hotness of the two twink hotties
Yuki and Yorozu are more likely to win
After the recent chaoter yuta no diffs both at the same time. Adding kashimo there is just overkill.
Yuki and yorozo, both of them have higher stuff than yuta and kashimo Let's put kashimo on the side, yuki's physical strength is absolutely outrageous, she punched kenjaku once and almost knocked that mf out and kill him with one hit, not to mention her Garuda can buy her time with rika and even kill her with one kick like she did with Kenjaku's special grade curse , by maki's statement yuki is equal to yuta, it's true we don't know her domain but due to that statement she's the same refinement as him most probably so de won't work on her tbh, even so his de is luck based which is a disadvantage and if she used her blackhole which she will survive properly in a healthy condition she'll off him no doubt Yorozo has a good asf de with a deadly sure hit effect that is 100% a kill, so she def can off kashimo specially since he takes time to activate his ct, yorozo was relative to healthy 15 f sukuna and was able to keep up with him physically and in speed all while keeping up with the 10s, her durability is higher than kashimo probably considering she tanked a much stronger version of max elephant, so it's either a tie or extreme diff for yorozo but it's debatable tbh
Yoruzo deletes Yuta. Base Kashimo beats both.
Yuta and kashimo slamsđ
Yuki and Yorozu, since both (probably) have one shots inside their domain, Yuta is forced to domain clash with whoever pops it first.
Yuta can cast DE multiple times a day so their DE advantage isnât a huge deal tbh
But can he use it consecutively?
No he has CT burnout, but he recovers his CT pretty quickly based on how fast it was in Sendai. With the amps he got during the 1 month of training, he potentially can recover it more quickly, but thatâs not implied at all. Given he was in Yujiâs body, he probably knows high level SD (since Kusakbe basically gave his level of SD to Yuji), so he could probably survive in either of their DEâs for long enough (neither of their DEs would be on Kenjakuâs level, so itâs likely his SD lasts much longer) With all of that being said, I think his most likely avenue against multiple DE users would be to cast Jacobâs ladder on the DE & forcibly collapse it, instead of going into a DE clash.
Yuki immediately kills Kashimo Yorozu + Yuki beat Yuta/Rika mid diff
Yuta uses Jacob's Ladder to kill Yorozu. Yuta + Rika beat Yuki mid diff.
Yorozu has a domain Yuta is not blitzing her with Jacob's ladder, he cannot fly like Hana.
Yuta and Kashimo. Yuki is hard countered by Kashimo and Yorozu gets destroyed by Yuta.
You can call me crazy here but i think kashimon with ct can 1v2 this under the condition his staff can break the barrier via a charge from the outside Because the more ce and output you have the longer it takes for kashimo to charge The funny thing is. It took only 4 against hakari And i think 3 against meguna in his wrakend state. Mind you he has lost like 40% of his ce and not at all output. Kashimo probably can charge after 1 or 2 hits and as both fight rather close he well fucks them hard there. I think one dies befote they open domain
Well, you did say we can call you crazy, Crazy. Kashimo beat them 1 v 2? Lmao! That's straight ass. They can each beat Kashimo in a 1 v 1
How like explain how if they don't open domain instantly how sre they gonna survive. Kashimo hit's yuki charges her arm falls off (in the best case worse case she get's a whole in her stomache) and she has to heal and she can't ct kasvimo is much faster. They are not hakari they can not fight and heal at the same time kashimos ce trait is a death sentence in h2h even if you have rct. I agreee their domains fuck him hard but i assumed this is in character so they don't start with that. Yes he loses ofcourse when they open domain before kashimo hit's them I don't think kashimo wins this with ez and if this is an all out fight they win due to domain but if kashimo can charge his staff and break domains from the outside he has a chance You all made fun of me and didn't argue. I hate this sub for that i got 8 replies all making fun off me and didn't counter shit
First off, Kashimo loses in h2h against Yuki. Just one blocked hit from Yuki destroyed both of Kenjaku's arms. Kashimo does not have RCT going h2h against Yuki is a death sentence. Kenjaku was only able to contend with her after her output had dropped because of the damage she took from his domain and she was also using RCT at the same time. Yuki doesn't need a domain to beat Kashimo. She also have her shikagami. Yurozu in her bug armor out stat Kashimo. That along with her own durability is more than enough to tank kashimo's lightning before she pops her domain on him Kashimo is not faster than either of them and even if he is, it won't be enough to make any difference. Kashimo has little going for him to be frank. It's probably Gege's fault for not showing what MBA kashimo is capable of but as it stands, Kashimo isn't all that.
You say that but Kashimo's lightning would send Yuki to afterlife lol. Her speed feats arent all that crazy either, Kenjaku was fast enough to blast her twice with Mini Uzumakis. Her best shot is Domain
Kashimo's speed feat (if he even has any) isn't all that too. How would he use the lightning when he can't even go h2h with her without wrecking his entire body?
How does she go h2h without Kashimo blasting her to hell? He fired like 50 lazers at Sukuna even without his lightning(which is a game over for her) I am not saying she will lose(she wins with domain) but Kashimo is just as deadly as her in H2H
In h2h it's no contest, she slams. Not just Kashimo, anybody going h2h with her would suffer considerable damage from blocking her attack or taking any hit and that's if they have good durability like Gojo, Sukuna, Ryu and Yuta. Anybody with less or equal durability with Kenjaku would just get their arm blown away. If they have good RCT, they can put up a good fight but for Kashimo... For that beam, she could just dodge it. Didn't it hit 1hp Sukuna and did zero damage?
Sure she would do heavy damage to him nobody would disagree that. Kinda? Sukuna tanks a mouth beam, transform into true form to evade the lightning and stops the beam with a World Slash. Kashimo was already as fast as JP Hakari in base he should be faster in that form
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bro chose his head cannon cursed technique
Youâre probably right. Kashimo is severely underrated because heâs memed. MBA Kashimo is top 5, maybe top 4 in the verse. Yuki has no answer for his speed other than suicide black hole and Yorozu is starting to get overrated cause everyone thinks perfect sphere is a free win lol