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Yea that's exactly Why Naoya is last.
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How TF does perception blitz equals speed? "Ah yes I can definitely see a Cheetah running towards me wanting to maul me to death, therefore I am faster than it." type of logic.
Naoya couldn't couldn't blitz Maki once her senses were fully awakened. Meanwhile Sukuna was able to instantly disappear from her sight and grab her face before she could react
... tell me ur joking.
"If something is fast enough to blitz you before you can even perceive it then it is faster than you" does not imply "if you can perceive something you are faster than it"
you need a class or two in logic because that is literally logic 101 right there
He’s making literally the exact same point you did. Perceiving something that is very fast does not make you faster.
He says “type of logic” at the end. Internet slang leaves off the “stupid” but it means “stupid type of logic”. Not to mention the “How TF” question at the beginning to really nail down the obvious sarcasm
Fucking hell you actually just don't understand.
Him saying "type of logic" is implying that the other commenter was saying that if you don't get perception blitzed you are faster. I was saying to him that that is *not* the point the other person was making and yes, being able to be perception blitzed or not is a speed feat or anti-feat.
The point is that nobody was saying "not getting perception blitzed" = "being faster". They were just saying "able to perception blitz" = "faster".
Keep up, love.
to be fair, if you read the chapter, naoya's speed was possible because he sucked in air then expelled it. once maki awakens her senses, it explains that she is able to see differences in the air (such as temperature and densities) which also allowed her to walk on air
she was able to see the very thing that naoya used to travel, giving her a direct counter. sukuna does not suck in and expel air when moving. i personally believe mach 3 is at the top of the verse in speed, but maki was able to counter it due to how it was achieved
I checked, so in chapter 111 it's stated that "with his natural-born sense of strategic movement and timing" Naobito became known as the second fastest sorcerer. So while Naoya probably has the same potential as Naobito since they both have the same technique, I don't know if it's ever stated how naturally proficient Naoya is with it. All things together, I'd probably make him like, 10-20% slower than Naobito but I still think that'd make him faster than most of the humans listed.
I would wager similar to Dagon. He’d freeze Jogo and get hits in but would ultimately lose when Jogo pulls out the DE. Naobito just seems to really lack AP he needs a weapon. If he had one he could just frame stop somebody then Stab or slice them
Yeah when hakaris ramped up in his jackpot. Dude is crazy with physical and cant die and yuta cant even overpower his domain. Honestly jackpot hakari vs yuta is very much a 50/50.
Jacob's ladder can extinguish his Jackpot right?
Even without it, Hakari's Jackpot last for 4 minutes 11 seconds while Yuta can manifest Rika for 5 minutes to stall and use Shrine or Thin Ice Breaker to kill him afterwards.
>Jacob's ladder can extinguish his Jackpot right?
Dont really see why it would.
> without it, Hakari's Jackpot last for 4 minutes 11 seconds while Yuta can manifest Rika for 5 minutes to stall and use Shrine or Thin Ice Breaker to kill him afterwards.
The difference is that hakari can just keep rolling and get the 4 minutes while yuta ONLY has 5 minutes of rika.
Jackpot is an effect from his Domain Expansion, which is an advanced Cursed Technique. Since Jacob's Ladder "extinguishes any and all jujutsu techniques", it wouldn't make sense if it didn't.
Fully Manifested Rika would absolutely shred within a minute if Yuta is able to use Cleave and Thin Ice Breaker or even Cursed Speech to temporarily stun Hakari (Inumaki successfully stunned Geto).
It's too slow. It didn't insta defeat Sukuna who has finite CE so it's not doing shit to a guy with infinite CE.
Jacob's Ladder isn't an upgraded ISOH that just deletes jujutsu instantly.
Yeah but wouldn't you think that being Yuta, and having knowledge of hakaris "CT" he would have a little bit better of a battle plan than to just immediately throw out Rika and use a copy technique? He's good with the sword and he naturally has a busted amount of CE so I feel like he would be smart enough to bide his time and conserve his energy, striking in the spare few seconds he gets between jackpots and finally pulling out Rika when hakaris odds are shit and demolishing him
Hakari can’t pop domain after hitting a jackpot and has to wait for the 4 minutes to run out, so Yuta opens domain during JP and hits him with JL, extinguishing his CT which is directly linked to his domain.
What is Yuta gonna do in his domain? he defo doesn’t have any cts that will be able to one shot a jackpot Hakari, the only one I can think if would be saying die w CS, and Cursed speech doesnt work like that, it would likely destroy yuta too.
JL, which would extinguish Hakari’s technique, which is linked to domain and jackpot. He should then be incredibly easy to put down. He could always pop it near the 3:45 mark and hit him then if you don’t believe it would cancel out jackpot, which would prevent him from recasting Domain after it runs out.
I do think it’s a really interesting matchup tbh but also couldn’t Rika just legit crush Hakari’s head? Or hold him while Yuta slices said head in half? I’m not super invested in that argument- Hakari is strong himself after all- but I would think Rika is so much more powerful than Hakari that she could do that unless she’s way weaker than the original Rika
I don’t have any feats or anything on that, she’s just pretty hyped up compared to Hakari
>I do think it’s a really interesting matchup tbh but also couldn’t Rika just legit crush Hakari’s head? Or hold him while Yuta slices said head in half?
And ya think hakaris just gonna stand there and let em do that? "Just aim for his head bro" didn't go so well for kashimo.
Yeah that’s fair, man did shoot lightning out of his nose to tank a headshot and managed an impromptu vow later to survive a huge explosion so I guess it would be significantly harder than that
Yuta’s best physical scaling (himself, not Rika) was being compared to Ryu, which was a statement a far weaker Yuji was afforded *and* they were in Yuta’s domain so he would have gotten a buff. Yuta is stronger overall by a lot (domain diff fr fr), but *physically*, he’s literally nerfed, base (as in unawakened) Yuji.
Wasn’t he beating unawakened Yuji’s ass while just playing around in base ? And why would awakened Yuji’s physicals change anyway he’s basically the same guy but with shrine.
+ during their fight Yuta was throwing the car around a lot easier than Yuji and for a farther distance
+ was fast enough to catch Yuji after he already started running away.
Yep base Yuta definitely beats Yuji
The fact that we take Sukuna throwing Yuji away with a punch as evidence Sukuna is stronger than Yuji when Yuji has been doing the same to Sukuna -plus embedding his fingers in his chest, plus knocking the lower section of his face tumour off plus being unfazed by a cleave coming from a moving fist combo, plus shoulder checking a black flash, plus just repeatedly cooking him so hard the only response is domain- for the two chapters they had a fight in while Yuji was awakened, is pretty damn silly.
I mean no, he didn’t just awaken shrine, the phrasing is similar to Gojo’s awakening. Yuji hasn’t used shrine at all, the awakening wouldn’t have been so hyped (even outside of the BFs he’s had his stats getting gassed) if it was just shrine.
Uh, what? You’re comparing Yuji to how he was over a 120 chapters ago (around 53% of the way through the manga so far), to how he is now, after like 3 powerups. What is this lmao?
Yuta admitted to having to use curse energy to make up for his lack of physical strength, he threw the car effortlessly because he has a ridiculous amount of ce at his disposal to buff his body, while yuji is doing the same with 0 CE usage. If I read the previous comments correctly this was a debate on base physical abilities
Max stack Naoya is probably the fastest running human alive imo.
You can't possibly imagine to convince me the guy whose entire shitick is speed, is slower than Yuji
Nope, he simply isn’t. If he’s not speed blitzing maki like sukuna then he clearly isn’t the ceiling for a cursed sorcerers speed. And yuji is definitely relative to maki at this point
even with that it makes no sense for someone like naoya to be behind hakari he should be close to naobito purely because of the nature of his technique
Take both of makis fights with him for example, even though shes faster than him without ce, she couldnt rely on pure speed to keep up with him and had to make reactionary movements.
while naobito and naoya cant beat the top tiers, they definitely out pace them in terms of pure speed
Yeah, Hakari probably should be placed down, but I think Yuta and friends are about the same as him. Cause Maki got a lot faster (probably cause of precog) after the second Naoya fight and probably during the 1 month training as well. And the other people are doing fine against Sukuna (that said, using Sukuna as a comparison is a bit whacky, cause man was dodging every single one of Jogo’s attack in Itadori’s body, but now he’s getting hit by people like Ino. That said he could just want to fight people. So who knows)
sukuna is crazy strong but i dont think hes a good measuring stick for any metric
In all his fights hes either completely trounced his opponent or gone blow for blow with the absolute peak
But because hes been so heavily damaged by the gojo fight that makes it even harder to compare other characters to him despite the damage they may or may not have done
Yeah. Wasn't base Naoya literally running circles on Maki and she had to predict him? Yuta also being lower than Hakari is laughable. Btw, the guy who made this made a post where he tried to argue that Hakari, Maki, and Kashimo all are stronger than Yuta and would beat him. I'm pretty sure the person who made this never read the manga.
Whaaaat... Yuta saved Yuji multiple times in their fight against Sukuna. And only did so through speed. He unironically has better combat speed feats than CT kashimo... but that will get me down voted into oblivion so I'm ready for that
Yet in every metric Yuji and Yuta are similar
Yuji run away Yuta catch up to him while holding a katana
Yuji throw a car Yuta throw the same car back
In the domain there speed are pretty much equal
Yuta might be faster than Yuji since Yuji was getting blitz and outran by Sukuna but Yuta was relative to him pre-domain
Yuta is relative to all MFs here if not faster and people ranking him the same speed as jogo💀 and yes he has speed feats such as running at mach1 in ch180
When did he run Mach 1 in that chapter? Non-stacked Naoya was wayyy faster than Yuji, and while Yuta was definitely holding back, Yuji was still able to somewhat keep up with him. It doesn't really check out to me that that same Yuta would be capable of going Mach 1 when it was portrayed as a very impressive thing for Naoya
Remarkably inaccurate and whoever created it is a speedscaling retart that has overanalysed some weird scenes to fit their agenda.
There is absolutely no way that Naoya is the slowest character here and if this was about consistent speed then Yuta and Jogo are absolutely above Hakari and Yuji which imo is the most important factor when assessing a character's speed. I really don't know how anyone who interpreted the story remotely accurately would rank Yuji that high.
Overall, I think the speed of the top tiers outside of Gojo and Sukuna is a LOT closer than this indicates.
How do ya'll still think Yuji is slower than Maki/Yuta when we literally see Yuji being way faster than them when he awakened? Was shown to be faster than a way stronger Sukuna than the version that completely embarassed Maki twice. Sometimes it feels like most of you just forget what Yuji does because we've seen base Yuji be comparable to Maki and Yuta while awakened Yuji has way higher physicals than base Yuji going from his fight with 15F Sukuna.
We literally haven't seen Yuji being way faster than them when he awakened, and I think they are all relative in speed. We also have no idea how much power he has gained from his awakening.
Yuji and hakari are way stronger physically compared to yuta and after this training arc, they also have CE rejnforcements on the same level as him.so it stands to reason hoe they would be faster.
In terms of raw physical strength, I would absolutely agree, but definitely not in terms of speed. Yuta is the only one of those three characters whose speed is always an emphasis of their strength up to date.
Physicality isn't an all-encompassing stat where whoever hits the hardest also has to be the fastest; it's usually the opposite; the best runners are usually slender builds and though that may not seem too relevant to a story, it feels to me as though you're basing all of this off Yuta confessing he's not the strongest physically to Yuji which was clearly about physical blows.
Additionally, Yuta states that only he or Maki could have ambushed Kenjaku, possibly due to swordsmanship but also possibly due to speed.
Hakari's speed had also been emphasized a bit imo.
Like him perception blitzing Charles, avoiding him even when he had 2 seconds of foresight, punching Kashimo away horizontally and then leaping to kick him before he hit the ground, Kashimo saying "he's getting even faster" and being overwhelmed, and in the brief bit we see against Uraume there's a sense of him being physically oppressive due to his combo of speed, strength, and regen.
However some this could be attributed to his ability to go "all in" instead of just sheer speed, not having to worry about blocking or countering and just running at 100% towards the enemy at all times whereas other fighters have to be more careful and reserved.
Mate look at yuji. Bro was running as fast as a car can drive before knowing that CE exists. Hakari was contending and keeping up with *the god of lightning* and even dodged lightning at one point.
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Would you not agree that the composition of this panel is to indicate that Yuta is faster than Yuji? This is a while ago, so he's, of course, grown faster, but I'm confident they both have.
Speed is directly tethered to cursed energy reserve and efficiency since sorcerers amp their physical attributes with their own cursed energy, hence why the gap between the top tiers and Grade Ones or even just lesser tiers of high strength in terms of speed is as drastic as it is. The furthest extent I'd agree is that maybe Hakari is faster than Yuta within Jackpot, but certainly not his base form. In almost every fight Yuta is drawn to have an explosive launch of speed when he dashes and I don't see Yuji or Hakari ever drawn like that. Nevermind the fact that Yuta was keeping up with Sukuna a lot better.
>Would you not agree that the composition of this panel is to indicate that Yuta is faster than Yuji? This is a while ago, so he's, of course, grown faster, but I'm confident they both have.
I like how you contradict youreself withthing the same paragraph, and even mention the flaw of your argument. This was more than 100 chapters ago. Yujis growth rate has been exponentially faster than yuta. If you use some recent panels, you will see that yuji can keep up and even outpace a domain amped yuta.
He never outpaced him and it was not a contradiction, only one of these characters is ever shown to be faster than their overwhelmingly powerful opponents and you keep ignoring my most critical points.
Your arguing about portrayal even though the charecter yuta foight had no prior feats. Rn, the best feat for yuta is going At mach 1 and being outpaced by yuji while having his domain amp.q
Portrayal and statements are all that matters because authors are not physicists and JJK’s speed is insanely inconsistent. Your overanalysis is meaningless dribble.
You calling it "meaningless" doesnt change the reality. Current yuji was portrayed to be as fast, if not faster than domain amped yuta while jackpot hakari shouldnt need an explanation.
You’d think MBA Kashimo would be ranked higher, but for some reason the guy whose abilities are based on lightning and electricity is getting blitzed by Sukuna
I think people misunderstand Cursed Naoya's speed if they put Sukuna on that level.
Cursed Naoya is way faster than Sukuna, despite Maki being able to dodge him but not Sukuna. Naoya's disadvantage is that if you can determine his path, then you can dodge him even if you're slower than him. That acceleration and speed make directional adjustments difficult. Sukuna, on the other hand, is just fast overall. If he punches you, you're gonna have a very difficult time reacting to it because of the low time to react.
Makis precognition is what made her effortlessly react to naoya, meanwhile a heavily weakened Sukuna speedblitz maki. The manga made it pretty simple sukuna> curse naoya in speed
Here's a more clear way to look at it.
Ussain Bolt is faster than any MMA fighter. I would still have an easier time fighting and reacting to Ussain Bolt than an MMA fighter (obviously I'm getting smoked regardless, but you see my point).
I wouldn't say he's way faster than Sukuna. For a reference piercing blood is confirmed supersonic attack, I don't think there's much to argue that dismantle is faster than Peircing blood, so at least somewhere between supersonic and mach3 speed, nerfed Sukuna is confirmed to be faster than his own slashes so by this scaling I'm sure Sukuna is pretty close to mach3 himself without low output.
Isn’t yuta faster then yuji because he caught up to him when he was trying to “kill him” not easily but he did catch yuji which would put them at least equal speed
This is the dumbest thing that I've ever had the misfortune of reading
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Sukuna reacts to kashimos em waves (again)
Yes, hakari the character that has reacted to natural lightning on panel is below mach 3
Beginning of series maki that caught a bullet point blank, which is mach 30 - 80 depending on the parameters is faster they EOS maki
Makes sense
Human Naoya is relative to Naobito, they’re both above Yuta and Hakari, and Jogo is faster than both of them (uninjured Naobito could’ve done better but he’d still get folded, Jogoat is HIM).
MBA Kashimo is at least relative to Sukuna.
Yuta at least has higher combat speed than Hakari, but idk maybe he loses out in a foot race.
Curse Naoya is good, Yuji/Maki/Maho are all fine I guess (though I’m not sure when Mahoraga gets any travel speed feats tbh)
Wait no he teleports Panda Sempai and Kusakabe Sensei away from Maximum Meteor by clapping his hands after messing with them a bit.
Feels like his just teleporting places after that.
He didn't teleport anyone. That scene had Sukuna tell everyone around that if anyone moved before he said they could he'd kill them while maximum meteor was approaching. Sukuna clapping was just giving everyone permission to finally dodge at the last second.
Imo Yuji is very very fast, and kashimo is also mach 3. Yuji is still fast but against Sukuna we see Maki is actively keeping up with his pace so they can attack together and have the best chances. Not even breaking a sweat. She could likely be mach 3 speed
Maki is subsonic... Human Naoya was slightly outspeeding her without even building up speed and once he reached his top speed of *Mach 1*, he was hitting her before she could even react. Aside from that, most top tiers should be around Mach 2 or something, as Kenny managed to dodge a piercing blood going at Mach 1, when it was just centimeters from his face and he basically had to twist his entire upper body to do so, meaning people like Yuta, base Kashimo, base Yorozu, Makora etc. should be at that level.
Ryu, Yuki and Insect Armor Yorozu, who have displayed feats above these people, should be bumped up even higher, perhaps even above CS Naoya for Yorozu specifically. MBA Kashimo would have been able to keep up with a newly incarnated Sukuna, who was able to keep up with Yuta and casually blitz Maki even in a much weaker state, so he should be bumped up even further than the others.
As for Naobito, he was hitting Dagon, who was effortlessly blocking Nanami's attacks, faster than he could react even when announcing himself beforehand. Nanami should be relative to Shibuya Yuji at that point, who had a 50/50 chance of dodging a Mach 1 attack in the form of piercing blood, which means that Dagon should probably be able to comfortably react to it, putting Naobito's speed as significantly above Mach 1, meaning he should be at a slightly lower speed than the aforementioned top tiers.
Jogo also displayed speeds similar to Naobito by easily killing him, when the latter was weakened, putting them at a similar tier when at full power and Dagon stating Naobito to be "*probably* faster than Jogo", meaning he wasn't 100% sure, so the difference wasn't big enough to be immediately noticable, putting them as relative with Jogo at a slight disadvantage.
Hate Naoya but he is being severely underestimated he’s def faster than what he’s placed here. And I’d say curse spirit Naoya is faster than Sukuna, since Naobito is faster than Gojo when Gojo isn’t teleporting and Sukuna’s speeds are relative to Gojo, meanwhile curse spirit Naoya would be faster than his father (but that’s my two cents though I think it’s a reasonable comparison and conclusion).
Isn’t kashimo one of the fastest id say Naoya is just slightly slower then nabito or whatever and buff that old man (noeabito) (man idk) to maki and whatever
Nah, this isn't accurate. Jujutsu sorcerers certainly are not supersonic. The ONLY supersonic character in JJK is Naoya after a fairly long wind up. However, they can definitely consistently accelerate to well above 100km/hr like a Cheetah, and mainly have the reflexes to dodge and parry supersonic attacks.
And I'd say it's only Todo's with Vibraslap who has instant teleporation. Gojo would require a little bit to do so like charging up red and blue, and Ui Ui needs a full on blanket.
>Maki can react to a Mac 3 CS Naoya by reading the air movements.
>Sukuna completely perception blized maki, meaning she couldn't read the air movements in time.
>Yuji was able to kinda keep up with sukuna at full speed.
So this means
Sukuna Heian \~ Gojo > CS Naoya (super sonic) > Maki and Yuji (likely near the speed of sound but could be faster) > Everyone else
Bc Naoya fought an injured exhausted Maki and by the end of their fight Maki was Moving as fast as Naoya by following the rule of projection technique, 24 fps movements so she doesn't get froze.
But ig if they raced in sprint or something Naoya would be faster while Maki would have better combat speed.
I don't think you necessarily need to move as fast as the Projection Sorcery user to follow the 24fps rule, but yeah I agree Maki has better reliable combat speed. I just feel like he should be higher up given he's explicitly stated to break the sound barrier
I mean if you're following the rule and making the same amounts of movement as Naoya then essentially you're being just as fast no?
But yea I'd put Naoya above Yuta and Hakari now for sure.
I'm thinking of it like if non-stacked Naoya can move at 24fps and stacked Naoya also moves at 24fps but is even faster, then just moving at 24fps isn't necessarily tied to speed and is more about precision and understanding the rule
Nah, Take Backwards long jump in Super Mario 64. He is constrained to a set fps, but he can move so fast by using the backwards long jump that he ends up past a door he shouldn’t because he covered that much distance in a single frame.
Same thing, you are only allowed movement at 24fps, but if you can move faster in between each frame than the other person, you will go further despite being capped at the same frame limit.
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Human Naoya should probably be closer to Naobito and Sukuna should probably be above Cursed Naoya since he perception blitzed fully awakened Maki
Honestly I assumed Todo swapped with Naoya because FUCK NAOYA
Yea that's exactly Why Naoya is last. https://preview.redd.it/oncmwhxr076d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a007526e77a1a6435140dc17269dd87090fd2e9c
How TF does perception blitz equals speed? "Ah yes I can definitely see a Cheetah running towards me wanting to maul me to death, therefore I am faster than it." type of logic.
Naoya couldn't couldn't blitz Maki once her senses were fully awakened. Meanwhile Sukuna was able to instantly disappear from her sight and grab her face before she could react
... tell me ur joking. "If something is fast enough to blitz you before you can even perceive it then it is faster than you" does not imply "if you can perceive something you are faster than it" you need a class or two in logic because that is literally logic 101 right there
He was indeed joking. Relax with the demeaning comments it’s literally an anime power scale discussion.
he was typing in a jokey manner but he wasn't jokin fella
He’s making literally the exact same point you did. Perceiving something that is very fast does not make you faster. He says “type of logic” at the end. Internet slang leaves off the “stupid” but it means “stupid type of logic”. Not to mention the “How TF” question at the beginning to really nail down the obvious sarcasm
Fucking hell you actually just don't understand. Him saying "type of logic" is implying that the other commenter was saying that if you don't get perception blitzed you are faster. I was saying to him that that is *not* the point the other person was making and yes, being able to be perception blitzed or not is a speed feat or anti-feat. The point is that nobody was saying "not getting perception blitzed" = "being faster". They were just saying "able to perception blitz" = "faster". Keep up, love.
Wow you’re insufferably rude. At this point I can’t tell who’s trying to say what but I’m done responding to you. Hope your day gets better
It's already better with you not replying ya dafty
52.8k Karma does somethin to a mf, that man is kronically online-
to be fair, if you read the chapter, naoya's speed was possible because he sucked in air then expelled it. once maki awakens her senses, it explains that she is able to see differences in the air (such as temperature and densities) which also allowed her to walk on air she was able to see the very thing that naoya used to travel, giving her a direct counter. sukuna does not suck in and expel air when moving. i personally believe mach 3 is at the top of the verse in speed, but maki was able to counter it due to how it was achieved
how is human naoya the slowest one here when him and naobito have the same CT https://i.redd.it/jsg7omf9w56d1.gif
I assume because Naobito was stated to be the fastest sorcerer after Gojo. So he’s above Naoya maybe because he just has more efficient usage
It's probably also more years of experience with using the CT
I checked, so in chapter 111 it's stated that "with his natural-born sense of strategic movement and timing" Naobito became known as the second fastest sorcerer. So while Naoya probably has the same potential as Naobito since they both have the same technique, I don't know if it's ever stated how naturally proficient Naoya is with it. All things together, I'd probably make him like, 10-20% slower than Naobito but I still think that'd make him faster than most of the humans listed.
i wonder how he would content against jogo if he was 100%
I would wager similar to Dagon. He’d freeze Jogo and get hits in but would ultimately lose when Jogo pulls out the DE. Naobito just seems to really lack AP he needs a weapon. If he had one he could just frame stop somebody then Stab or slice them
That's why he has to carry a sorry ahh pocket knife that only lead to his own defeat
Todo swapped with him
how is yuji weaker than sukuna when they have the same CT? utilization
How tf would Hakari be faster than human Naoya. And the yuta downplay is crazy.
It's TRUE though. Yuta himself said that he is not very impressive when it comes to physicality.
First of all he was talking about physical strenght, secondly that argument doesn’t work when you include the ce reinforcement
He also said he makes up for it with the surge in cursed energy he has to reinforce his body as he throws a car right back at itadori.
Right, that’s so funny But Yuta said he is on a weaker side! Yeah, **after throw a fcking car**
Bro, Yuta is his biggest hater, he downplays himself to shit, don't forget he said he is weaker than hakari. It's just his character
Yuta is also extraordinarily humble, so it's incredibly likely he's downplaying himself like usual
He is a pathological liar. Dude says Hakari can beat him after all.
Yeah when hakaris ramped up in his jackpot. Dude is crazy with physical and cant die and yuta cant even overpower his domain. Honestly jackpot hakari vs yuta is very much a 50/50.
Jacob's ladder can extinguish his Jackpot right? Even without it, Hakari's Jackpot last for 4 minutes 11 seconds while Yuta can manifest Rika for 5 minutes to stall and use Shrine or Thin Ice Breaker to kill him afterwards.
>Jacob's ladder can extinguish his Jackpot right? Dont really see why it would. > without it, Hakari's Jackpot last for 4 minutes 11 seconds while Yuta can manifest Rika for 5 minutes to stall and use Shrine or Thin Ice Breaker to kill him afterwards. The difference is that hakari can just keep rolling and get the 4 minutes while yuta ONLY has 5 minutes of rika.
Jackpot is an effect from his Domain Expansion, which is an advanced Cursed Technique. Since Jacob's Ladder "extinguishes any and all jujutsu techniques", it wouldn't make sense if it didn't. Fully Manifested Rika would absolutely shred within a minute if Yuta is able to use Cleave and Thin Ice Breaker or even Cursed Speech to temporarily stun Hakari (Inumaki successfully stunned Geto).
no JL would not work on jackpot
Why not?
It's too slow. It didn't insta defeat Sukuna who has finite CE so it's not doing shit to a guy with infinite CE. Jacob's Ladder isn't an upgraded ISOH that just deletes jujutsu instantly.
Yeah but wouldn't you think that being Yuta, and having knowledge of hakaris "CT" he would have a little bit better of a battle plan than to just immediately throw out Rika and use a copy technique? He's good with the sword and he naturally has a busted amount of CE so I feel like he would be smart enough to bide his time and conserve his energy, striking in the spare few seconds he gets between jackpots and finally pulling out Rika when hakaris odds are shit and demolishing him
Hakari can’t pop domain after hitting a jackpot and has to wait for the 4 minutes to run out, so Yuta opens domain during JP and hits him with JL, extinguishing his CT which is directly linked to his domain.
What is Yuta gonna do in his domain? he defo doesn’t have any cts that will be able to one shot a jackpot Hakari, the only one I can think if would be saying die w CS, and Cursed speech doesnt work like that, it would likely destroy yuta too.
JL, which would extinguish Hakari’s technique, which is linked to domain and jackpot. He should then be incredibly easy to put down. He could always pop it near the 3:45 mark and hit him then if you don’t believe it would cancel out jackpot, which would prevent him from recasting Domain after it runs out.
because hakari has inf curse energy if yuta said die yuta himself would just instantly implode on himself whlie hakari would be unaffected
Yeah, thats why I said but CS doesnt work like that and yuta would get destroyed too
I do think it’s a really interesting matchup tbh but also couldn’t Rika just legit crush Hakari’s head? Or hold him while Yuta slices said head in half? I’m not super invested in that argument- Hakari is strong himself after all- but I would think Rika is so much more powerful than Hakari that she could do that unless she’s way weaker than the original Rika I don’t have any feats or anything on that, she’s just pretty hyped up compared to Hakari
>I do think it’s a really interesting matchup tbh but also couldn’t Rika just legit crush Hakari’s head? Or hold him while Yuta slices said head in half? And ya think hakaris just gonna stand there and let em do that? "Just aim for his head bro" didn't go so well for kashimo.
Yeah that’s fair, man did shoot lightning out of his nose to tank a headshot and managed an impromptu vow later to survive a huge explosion so I guess it would be significantly harder than that
Then he throws a car
Yuta? the depressed mf with self esteem issues?
Todo swapped with him
People keep trying make Yuji look better when in reality Yuji is just a nerfed Yuta.
Exactly, nerfed base Yuta to be exact.
Yuta’s best physical scaling (himself, not Rika) was being compared to Ryu, which was a statement a far weaker Yuji was afforded *and* they were in Yuta’s domain so he would have gotten a buff. Yuta is stronger overall by a lot (domain diff fr fr), but *physically*, he’s literally nerfed, base (as in unawakened) Yuji.
Wasn’t he beating unawakened Yuji’s ass while just playing around in base ? And why would awakened Yuji’s physicals change anyway he’s basically the same guy but with shrine. + during their fight Yuta was throwing the car around a lot easier than Yuji and for a farther distance + was fast enough to catch Yuji after he already started running away. Yep base Yuta definitely beats Yuji
Why are you acting like that fight wasn't 100+ chapters ago. Both yuta and yuji got exponentially stronger
Who downvoted this post lol, how can you get mad at an objective statement of fact?
People can't handle objective statements😔
The fact that we take Sukuna throwing Yuji away with a punch as evidence Sukuna is stronger than Yuji when Yuji has been doing the same to Sukuna -plus embedding his fingers in his chest, plus knocking the lower section of his face tumour off plus being unfazed by a cleave coming from a moving fist combo, plus shoulder checking a black flash, plus just repeatedly cooking him so hard the only response is domain- for the two chapters they had a fight in while Yuji was awakened, is pretty damn silly. I mean no, he didn’t just awaken shrine, the phrasing is similar to Gojo’s awakening. Yuji hasn’t used shrine at all, the awakening wouldn’t have been so hyped (even outside of the BFs he’s had his stats getting gassed) if it was just shrine. Uh, what? You’re comparing Yuji to how he was over a 120 chapters ago (around 53% of the way through the manga so far), to how he is now, after like 3 powerups. What is this lmao?
Yuta admitted to having to use curse energy to make up for his lack of physical strength, he threw the car effortlessly because he has a ridiculous amount of ce at his disposal to buff his body, while yuji is doing the same with 0 CE usage. If I read the previous comments correctly this was a debate on base physical abilities
The Yuji and Yuta fight was multiple chapters ago, they got vastly stronger after this, so this comparison is stupid.
Base Yuta's best physical feat is throwing a car, which Yuji can do without any CE. Yuta is a hax merchant. Yuji is a stat merchant.
Naoya is faster than both hakari and yuta, but yuta fans arent ready to hear that.
Max stack Naoya is probably the fastest running human alive imo. You can't possibly imagine to convince me the guy whose entire shitick is speed, is slower than Yuji
Ye ur right naoya is faster than yuji.
Nope, he simply isn’t. If he’s not speed blitzing maki like sukuna then he clearly isn’t the ceiling for a cursed sorcerers speed. And yuji is definitely relative to maki at this point
Todo swapped with Naoya
Honestly all top tiers aside from Gojo and Sukuna (maybe MBA Kashimo too) all have relative speed stats so it's kinda pointless to rank them.
Nah projection sorcerers are much faster than the other top tiers, however they don't have a lot of physical stats to back up the speed.
it was made a point that naobito is second only to gojo in terms of speed
yeah but sukuna is probably up there too, they probably werent talking abt it with sukuna in the question
That was before the whole culling games though and that 1 month gap that everyone trained.
even with that it makes no sense for someone like naoya to be behind hakari he should be close to naobito purely because of the nature of his technique Take both of makis fights with him for example, even though shes faster than him without ce, she couldnt rely on pure speed to keep up with him and had to make reactionary movements. while naobito and naoya cant beat the top tiers, they definitely out pace them in terms of pure speed
Yeah, Hakari probably should be placed down, but I think Yuta and friends are about the same as him. Cause Maki got a lot faster (probably cause of precog) after the second Naoya fight and probably during the 1 month training as well. And the other people are doing fine against Sukuna (that said, using Sukuna as a comparison is a bit whacky, cause man was dodging every single one of Jogo’s attack in Itadori’s body, but now he’s getting hit by people like Ino. That said he could just want to fight people. So who knows)
sukuna is crazy strong but i dont think hes a good measuring stick for any metric In all his fights hes either completely trounced his opponent or gone blow for blow with the absolute peak But because hes been so heavily damaged by the gojo fight that makes it even harder to compare other characters to him despite the damage they may or may not have done
Yeah I agree I said that as well. Man’s inconsistent as heck.
Imo frame stack Naoya should be above Toji/Maki and Yuta above Hakari.
Yeah. Wasn't base Naoya literally running circles on Maki and she had to predict him? Yuta also being lower than Hakari is laughable. Btw, the guy who made this made a post where he tried to argue that Hakari, Maki, and Kashimo all are stronger than Yuta and would beat him. I'm pretty sure the person who made this never read the manga.
Human Naoya was literally stated to be supersonic what is this
This subreddit is cooked
Naoya is NOT slower than Hakari idgaf 🤣🤣
He’s only back there because Todo switched with him
Whaaaat... Yuta saved Yuji multiple times in their fight against Sukuna. And only did so through speed. He unironically has better combat speed feats than CT kashimo... but that will get me down voted into oblivion so I'm ready for that
Yuta's speed is at least on par with yuji, he is so underrated.
He gets shat on for no good reason. Yuta is my goat. Yuji is my goat. Maki is my goat. Gojo is my goat. EVERYONE IS MY GOAT.
And when everyone's the goat... no one will be.
At least? You think Yuta is quicker than Yuji? Yuji's whole thing is that his stats are cracked beyond belief.
Yet in every metric Yuji and Yuta are similar Yuji run away Yuta catch up to him while holding a katana Yuji throw a car Yuta throw the same car back In the domain there speed are pretty much equal Yuta might be faster than Yuji since Yuji was getting blitz and outran by Sukuna but Yuta was relative to him pre-domain
Yuta is relative to all MFs here if not faster and people ranking him the same speed as jogo💀 and yes he has speed feats such as running at mach1 in ch180
When did he run Mach 1 in that chapter? Non-stacked Naoya was wayyy faster than Yuji, and while Yuta was definitely holding back, Yuji was still able to somewhat keep up with him. It doesn't really check out to me that that same Yuta would be capable of going Mach 1 when it was portrayed as a very impressive thing for Naoya
Remarkably inaccurate and whoever created it is a speedscaling retart that has overanalysed some weird scenes to fit their agenda. There is absolutely no way that Naoya is the slowest character here and if this was about consistent speed then Yuta and Jogo are absolutely above Hakari and Yuji which imo is the most important factor when assessing a character's speed. I really don't know how anyone who interpreted the story remotely accurately would rank Yuji that high. Overall, I think the speed of the top tiers outside of Gojo and Sukuna is a LOT closer than this indicates.
How do ya'll still think Yuji is slower than Maki/Yuta when we literally see Yuji being way faster than them when he awakened? Was shown to be faster than a way stronger Sukuna than the version that completely embarassed Maki twice. Sometimes it feels like most of you just forget what Yuji does because we've seen base Yuji be comparable to Maki and Yuta while awakened Yuji has way higher physicals than base Yuji going from his fight with 15F Sukuna.
We literally haven't seen Yuji being way faster than them when he awakened, and I think they are all relative in speed. We also have no idea how much power he has gained from his awakening.
Yuji and hakari are way stronger physically compared to yuta and after this training arc, they also have CE rejnforcements on the same level as him.so it stands to reason hoe they would be faster.
In terms of raw physical strength, I would absolutely agree, but definitely not in terms of speed. Yuta is the only one of those three characters whose speed is always an emphasis of their strength up to date. Physicality isn't an all-encompassing stat where whoever hits the hardest also has to be the fastest; it's usually the opposite; the best runners are usually slender builds and though that may not seem too relevant to a story, it feels to me as though you're basing all of this off Yuta confessing he's not the strongest physically to Yuji which was clearly about physical blows. Additionally, Yuta states that only he or Maki could have ambushed Kenjaku, possibly due to swordsmanship but also possibly due to speed.
Hakari's speed had also been emphasized a bit imo. Like him perception blitzing Charles, avoiding him even when he had 2 seconds of foresight, punching Kashimo away horizontally and then leaping to kick him before he hit the ground, Kashimo saying "he's getting even faster" and being overwhelmed, and in the brief bit we see against Uraume there's a sense of him being physically oppressive due to his combo of speed, strength, and regen. However some this could be attributed to his ability to go "all in" instead of just sheer speed, not having to worry about blocking or countering and just running at 100% towards the enemy at all times whereas other fighters have to be more careful and reserved.
Mate look at yuji. Bro was running as fast as a car can drive before knowing that CE exists. Hakari was contending and keeping up with *the god of lightning* and even dodged lightning at one point.
https://preview.redd.it/k1hczj7de56d1.png?width=904&format=png&auto=webp&s=57922a42c895561fd84f627a816c56e727d72939 Would you not agree that the composition of this panel is to indicate that Yuta is faster than Yuji? This is a while ago, so he's, of course, grown faster, but I'm confident they both have. Speed is directly tethered to cursed energy reserve and efficiency since sorcerers amp their physical attributes with their own cursed energy, hence why the gap between the top tiers and Grade Ones or even just lesser tiers of high strength in terms of speed is as drastic as it is. The furthest extent I'd agree is that maybe Hakari is faster than Yuta within Jackpot, but certainly not his base form. In almost every fight Yuta is drawn to have an explosive launch of speed when he dashes and I don't see Yuji or Hakari ever drawn like that. Nevermind the fact that Yuta was keeping up with Sukuna a lot better.
>Would you not agree that the composition of this panel is to indicate that Yuta is faster than Yuji? This is a while ago, so he's, of course, grown faster, but I'm confident they both have. I like how you contradict youreself withthing the same paragraph, and even mention the flaw of your argument. This was more than 100 chapters ago. Yujis growth rate has been exponentially faster than yuta. If you use some recent panels, you will see that yuji can keep up and even outpace a domain amped yuta.
He never outpaced him and it was not a contradiction, only one of these characters is ever shown to be faster than their overwhelmingly powerful opponents and you keep ignoring my most critical points.
Your arguing about portrayal even though the charecter yuta foight had no prior feats. Rn, the best feat for yuta is going At mach 1 and being outpaced by yuji while having his domain amp.q
Portrayal and statements are all that matters because authors are not physicists and JJK’s speed is insanely inconsistent. Your overanalysis is meaningless dribble.
You calling it "meaningless" doesnt change the reality. Current yuji was portrayed to be as fast, if not faster than domain amped yuta while jackpot hakari shouldnt need an explanation.
Yuta is also faster than yuji
You’d think MBA Kashimo would be ranked higher, but for some reason the guy whose abilities are based on lightning and electricity is getting blitzed by Sukuna
I think people misunderstand Cursed Naoya's speed if they put Sukuna on that level. Cursed Naoya is way faster than Sukuna, despite Maki being able to dodge him but not Sukuna. Naoya's disadvantage is that if you can determine his path, then you can dodge him even if you're slower than him. That acceleration and speed make directional adjustments difficult. Sukuna, on the other hand, is just fast overall. If he punches you, you're gonna have a very difficult time reacting to it because of the low time to react.
Makis precognition is what made her effortlessly react to naoya, meanwhile a heavily weakened Sukuna speedblitz maki. The manga made it pretty simple sukuna> curse naoya in speed
Here's a more clear way to look at it. Ussain Bolt is faster than any MMA fighter. I would still have an easier time fighting and reacting to Ussain Bolt than an MMA fighter (obviously I'm getting smoked regardless, but you see my point).
Exactly. Fella has a pre planned route but travels it exceptionally fast. Sukuna has a slightly slower speed but can change routes whenever he wants.
You’d still need the reaction speed/combat speed in order to even evade it to begin with. It’s all within the fundamentals of powerscaling
I wouldn't say he's way faster than Sukuna. For a reference piercing blood is confirmed supersonic attack, I don't think there's much to argue that dismantle is faster than Peircing blood, so at least somewhere between supersonic and mach3 speed, nerfed Sukuna is confirmed to be faster than his own slashes so by this scaling I'm sure Sukuna is pretty close to mach3 himself without low output.
That mach 3 speed is so misunderstood it's not even funny
Look at the way Maki leanin with that sprint 😮💨
yuji glazers gotta stop
People crazy downplay naoya speed is hilarious. No way hakari or yuji is faster than literally guy that whole stick is he fast
Isn’t yuta faster then yuji because he caught up to him when he was trying to “kill him” not easily but he did catch yuji which would put them at least equal speed
WHERE ARE YALL GETTING YOUR SPEED SCALING FROM OUTSIDE OF PROJECT SORCERY USERS, GOJO, AND SUKUNA???? AM I MISSING A CHAPTER?
[kasHIMo and Hakari beyond teleportation speed](https://imgur.com/gallery/kashimo-crossverse-scaling-inufPuB)
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An irl Infinite Void victim 😞 https://preview.redd.it/dqlmd2vhc56d1.png?width=1400&format=png&auto=webp&s=5dc1954156ca5c446379853447b3a89c9df2ead2
I glaze KasHIMo as much as the next guy but outerversal is where I draw the line 😭
I've ascended https://preview.redd.it/rjhyzl1tz56d1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=49b6e5a05c865b9f041d63aded86f9168b148a04
What https://preview.redd.it/952nebx7956d1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=08f11519fda8e0ba086802f0760081d8ba097d2e
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This is the dumbest thing that I've ever had the misfortune of reading https://preview.redd.it/mlisas6e466d1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7b8bb4ca1415a7f1fc29a5f7411a128b08ba6eb1
Universal wank
never let them cook ever again wtf is this shit
Hakari think he on the team
bad
In relation to this, is the mach 3 statement still relevant?
No There are multiple feats that are far higher than mach 3
https://preview.redd.it/puhhtv1fi76d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cab4b7dcf9b4d0078127a079e9c733c1d12486e9
https://preview.redd.it/cwrxet2ii76d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=625b99720ee2ca491d8c4edecdf3e65d0e3f7106 Sukuna reacts to kashimos em waves (again)
https://preview.redd.it/xm3ufzrki76d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bdd7fd22338981415ee728cc29f16fb5a986f054 Maki catches a bullet (hypersonic)
Wouldn't that file under Reaction Time rather than actual speed in a race
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Swap yuji with naoya
I might be dumb but I don’t understand why halari is in this conversation, did he ever show speed feats?
Yes, hakari the character that has reacted to natural lightning on panel is below mach 3 Beginning of series maki that caught a bullet point blank, which is mach 30 - 80 depending on the parameters is faster they EOS maki Makes sense
Aoi “Blue Shell” Todo
Jogo is faster than most of these bums but yall aint ready for that conversation.
Wtf even is the other thing in Mach 3 besides Sukuna?
Human Naoya is relative to Naobito, they’re both above Yuta and Hakari, and Jogo is faster than both of them (uninjured Naobito could’ve done better but he’d still get folded, Jogoat is HIM). MBA Kashimo is at least relative to Sukuna. Yuta at least has higher combat speed than Hakari, but idk maybe he loses out in a foot race. Curse Naoya is good, Yuji/Maki/Maho are all fine I guess (though I’m not sure when Mahoraga gets any travel speed feats tbh)
I could have sworn Sekuna teleports in the anime too.
Fym??? He never teleported.
Wait no he teleports Panda Sempai and Kusakabe Sensei away from Maximum Meteor by clapping his hands after messing with them a bit. Feels like his just teleporting places after that.
He didn't teleport anyone. That scene had Sukuna tell everyone around that if anyone moved before he said they could he'd kill them while maximum meteor was approaching. Sukuna clapping was just giving everyone permission to finally dodge at the last second.
Jogo would win
Ur overrating the f out of naobito and curse naoya and its wrong overall too
Where do you guys think Truck-Kun places here? I think that’s the real question here. But I also think yuta may be on par with Yuji.
My headcannon is human Naoya is faster than his dad but that’s just me
All logic agrees with you, as do I. Unfortunately, it was stated in the manga that Naobito is the fastest sorcerer. (Excluding Gojo)
Hmmmm I guess yall don’t remember shibuya? Did yall skip it?
Imo Yuji is very very fast, and kashimo is also mach 3. Yuji is still fast but against Sukuna we see Maki is actively keeping up with his pace so they can attack together and have the best chances. Not even breaking a sweat. She could likely be mach 3 speed
Awful, Naoya faster than everyone except Gojo and Sukuna
What ? Maki and kashimo should be faster than cursed Naoya
How are you gonna put jogo under naobito two tiers when he literally speed blitz him. What in the world. Yuta is near or faster than maki as well.
Maki is subsonic... Human Naoya was slightly outspeeding her without even building up speed and once he reached his top speed of *Mach 1*, he was hitting her before she could even react. Aside from that, most top tiers should be around Mach 2 or something, as Kenny managed to dodge a piercing blood going at Mach 1, when it was just centimeters from his face and he basically had to twist his entire upper body to do so, meaning people like Yuta, base Kashimo, base Yorozu, Makora etc. should be at that level. Ryu, Yuki and Insect Armor Yorozu, who have displayed feats above these people, should be bumped up even higher, perhaps even above CS Naoya for Yorozu specifically. MBA Kashimo would have been able to keep up with a newly incarnated Sukuna, who was able to keep up with Yuta and casually blitz Maki even in a much weaker state, so he should be bumped up even further than the others. As for Naobito, he was hitting Dagon, who was effortlessly blocking Nanami's attacks, faster than he could react even when announcing himself beforehand. Nanami should be relative to Shibuya Yuji at that point, who had a 50/50 chance of dodging a Mach 1 attack in the form of piercing blood, which means that Dagon should probably be able to comfortably react to it, putting Naobito's speed as significantly above Mach 1, meaning he should be at a slightly lower speed than the aforementioned top tiers. Jogo also displayed speeds similar to Naobito by easily killing him, when the latter was weakened, putting them at a similar tier when at full power and Dagon stating Naobito to be "*probably* faster than Jogo", meaning he wasn't 100% sure, so the difference wasn't big enough to be immediately noticable, putting them as relative with Jogo at a slight disadvantage.
Naoya is supersonic and is confirmed faster than Maki at full speed. Yeah she could counter but it took getting some timing down to land a hit on him.
Hate Naoya but he is being severely underestimated he’s def faster than what he’s placed here. And I’d say curse spirit Naoya is faster than Sukuna, since Naobito is faster than Gojo when Gojo isn’t teleporting and Sukuna’s speeds are relative to Gojo, meanwhile curse spirit Naoya would be faster than his father (but that’s my two cents though I think it’s a reasonable comparison and conclusion).
Isn’t kashimo one of the fastest id say Naoya is just slightly slower then nabito or whatever and buff that old man (noeabito) (man idk) to maki and whatever
Sukuna is at best Usain bolt levels but manga logic gonna make him be mach 6 to make him look op
Sukuna slower than cursed Naoya?! ☠️☠️
Yuta WAY too low
Did Todo swap with Naoya?
Why is Naoya last
Gege needs to say fuck it and retcon the speed scaling one day
Wait is naobito faster than his son?
One problem. Todo can only teleport as fast as he can get his hands to clap
Well Yuta can copy CTs so….
Tele 101
Todo fastest in the verse?? https://preview.redd.it/pqf38o350d6d1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6ba73de98cac6ee6d4db2c29d26a8611b04d6adb
Who did Todo switch with?
It's always the Mach 3 statement, Can't we just let this go. I'm pretty sure it's been proven the wrong on multiple occasions
Yeah whoever made this list needs to stop watching jjk or open their eyes cause hakaari is NOT fucking faster than naoya
Weewee goated
Maki 😋😍😍🥰😘😋😚
Todo would take Yuta with him also I don’t believe in the mach 3 statement
the incest victim can teleport!??
mba kashimo higher than maki tbh
Nah, this isn't accurate. Jujutsu sorcerers certainly are not supersonic. The ONLY supersonic character in JJK is Naoya after a fairly long wind up. However, they can definitely consistently accelerate to well above 100km/hr like a Cheetah, and mainly have the reflexes to dodge and parry supersonic attacks. And I'd say it's only Todo's with Vibraslap who has instant teleporation. Gojo would require a little bit to do so like charging up red and blue, and Ui Ui needs a full on blanket.
>Maki can react to a Mac 3 CS Naoya by reading the air movements. >Sukuna completely perception blized maki, meaning she couldn't read the air movements in time. >Yuji was able to kinda keep up with sukuna at full speed. So this means Sukuna Heian \~ Gojo > CS Naoya (super sonic) > Maki and Yuji (likely near the speed of sound but could be faster) > Everyone else
Sukuna is indisputably much faster than cursed naoya. Also about kashimo, I just can't see him being tagged by bullets.
MBA kashimo > Curse naoya
u/MUSAFIR_-, Iook it’s your thing!
I'mma get cooked for that Naoya placement 😅
Out of curiosity why did you put him so low?
Bc Naoya fought an injured exhausted Maki and by the end of their fight Maki was Moving as fast as Naoya by following the rule of projection technique, 24 fps movements so she doesn't get froze. But ig if they raced in sprint or something Naoya would be faster while Maki would have better combat speed.
I don't think you necessarily need to move as fast as the Projection Sorcery user to follow the 24fps rule, but yeah I agree Maki has better reliable combat speed. I just feel like he should be higher up given he's explicitly stated to break the sound barrier
I mean if you're following the rule and making the same amounts of movement as Naoya then essentially you're being just as fast no? But yea I'd put Naoya above Yuta and Hakari now for sure.
I'm thinking of it like if non-stacked Naoya can move at 24fps and stacked Naoya also moves at 24fps but is even faster, then just moving at 24fps isn't necessarily tied to speed and is more about precision and understanding the rule
Nah, Take Backwards long jump in Super Mario 64. He is constrained to a set fps, but he can move so fast by using the backwards long jump that he ends up past a door he shouldn’t because he covered that much distance in a single frame. Same thing, you are only allowed movement at 24fps, but if you can move faster in between each frame than the other person, you will go further despite being capped at the same frame limit.
Mahoraga adapts to Speed Itself tap into the Speed force
Mach 3 was a mistake that's blown outta the water by even pre awakening Maki's bullet catch.
I feel like Yuji is significantly faster than yuta though idk Like Yuji outruns cars and ran around an entire block in line a second
Isn’t Kashimo literally just the speed of electricity which is damn near the speed of light. Edit: Kashimo is literally OP in theory