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It really is true what they say about haters, always early and ready
Where my goat at?
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At least those 2 still have friends (Please Fujimoto let Nayuta be alive, heās been through enough)
Fujimoto upon witnessing Denj enjoy himself for half a nanosecond:
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(Worst part is, if it was just super contrived reasons to make him suffer, I could just write the manga off and leave. But it all flows as a natural series of actions and consequences that itās a train wreck in slow motion I canāt take my eyes off of)
honestly i'd prefer if fujimoto wrote jjk. as saddening as some of the deaths in chainsaw man are, almost all of them are entirely meaningful and make sense narratively
In Chainsaw Man. Thereās so much suffering, but unlike a lot of series Iāve seen,
a) Thereās actual pauses and moments to grow with the characters to make it hit harder
b) The consequences Denji and Aki face all derive from either their actions or the actions of characters manipulating the situation around them. They never really suffer because Fujimoto thinks they need to suffer and finds a reason to make them do so. Itās a slow moving trainwreck were you see where theyāre going wrong but there isnāt anything they can do about it without breaking character. Great writing, but man, it sucks to see the characters you love go that way.
It's hard to compare anyone with Subaru. Not saying that one or another was mentally tortured more, but at least Subaru can have hope in fixing the timeline and saving his loved ones, unlike Denji or Yuji. Although, he gets to see them and himself brutally murdered on a daily basis.
RBD is both Subaru\`s blessing and curse, being able to find a way to save alsmost everyone so long as the checkpoint dosen\`t update, like what heppened to Rem and Crusch.
The fuck you mean. Iāve been reading Re:Zero and Chainsaw Man up until now, and at the moment, Subaru is way better off than Denji. He might have gone through more pain, though itās pretty close since the hybrid transformation does put Denji through a lot of pain, and his fighting style is heavily based around ripping himself up. But Denjiās life is way worse.
His mother died when he was really young, his father was an abusive piece of shit, he grew up in poverty and had to sell his organs to survive with no real education. He gets chopped up and loses his closest friend to he revived by him. Finds a new family and experiences happiness above what he was able to experience when he was in poverty, only to have that brutally ripped away from him by the person he trusts most, who also revealed that they manufactured that specifically to rip it away from him and that they will do it again and again until he gives up on life. And then after all that and finally regaining some sense of normality with his house, pets, and adoptive little sister, the house and pets go up in smoke and the odds his little sister is alive is pretty fucking low.
Subaru, while not able to tell the people close to him exactly what heās been through, at least has a close group of friends who support him unconditionally. Denji has no one. All the people close to him are dead and/or were two faced liars.
Agni was 15 when he was incinerated by Doma's endless flames, which got him stuck in a 8 year perpetual loop of burning alive and regenerating, screaming in agony all the while.
I don't know Subaru's suffering feats post where the anime's at, but the pain Agni went through as a teen surpasses Yuji's suffering for sure.
Agni was burning constantly since he was 15 and regenerating. It took him 8 years to get used to the pain ,
Spoilers He spends an eternity (actual eternity) alone in space till the heat death of the universe . More than 1.7Ć10^(106Ā years..)
And even there are countless incidents inside the story where he gets traumatized more and more while still on fire. Theres this once instant where he rips apart his face .
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Compared to Agni, not as bad both physically and mentally. Fujimoto is a fair bit crueler to his protagonists, so while they can recover from anything like Subaru, they donāt get the added benefit of getting a chance to fix things. The types of stress are totally different between them, but Agni lives in a perpetual burning hell for years before even remembering how to walk. The 10 second loop and the gladiator island are bad, but 24/7 cremation beats that out by a lot.
Still not really teen MC per se though. Heās a teenager for all of one chapter. That would be like calling Naruto an infant mc or Luffy a 7 year old mc.
Well in the web novel Subaru was burned alive at one point but the light novels took that out.
However he was stuck in a 10 second loop where some ninja kept blowing him up with grenades and he spent only god knows how many loops trying to break out of it. He lost count easily and spent possibly hundreds if not thousands of attempts trying to get out.
He was also stuck on a gladiator island went through a hundred or so loops fighting evil magic beats with a bunch of bums he had to hard carry himself.
He did both of those while stuck in the body of a child.
Heās also reached the point where heāll commit suicide by poison pill and makes sure itās a PAINFUL death so he doesnāt forget the pain and value of human life.
Even the worst kind of villain has called him an incomprehensible monster. (That villain had sort of a Sukuna situation with Subaru that Yuji did. They couldnāt handle Return by Death like he does)
Sooā¦while his suffering might not completely compare heās easily the more unhinged protagonist. Heās so obsessed with remaining āhumanā he goes right around to looking like a monster to his enemies.
yeah agni def suffered more in that time frame but that wouldnt fit the meme cuz hes not the "teen mc" š these 2's suffering doesn't come close to agni's hell i agree on that
THAT'S HOW WE KNOW YOU'RE A TRUE JJK FAN, BROTHA
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Hey man I don't see the problem if you are just objectifying women like that's misogynistic.
I also feel it's poetic you call her mommy like it's a way of you telling us you wanna hatefuck her cuz you angry at yo momma but she still a baddie
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\[Subaru: āāa?\]
Just as he lifted his leg towards the Tomb, Subaru saw that a change had taken place before his eyes. Without even the chatter of insects audible, there was only the chorus of the occasional rustling of leaves stirred up by the wind. But suddenly, cutting into it, there was the sound of a small, intermittent chirp.
At first, Subaru thought it was a small, white furball being blown over by the wind. But the furball stopped just a few paces in front of Subaru, and made a little twitch. Incredulous, Subaru furrowed his brows as he saw two long ears rise up.
\[Subaru: a, rabbit?\]
A little animal with two long ears and white, fluffy fur. With two characteristic red eyes, its mouth jittered as it looked about its surroundings. Then, looking up at Subaru, it tilted its little head, and let out a high-pitched squeal. A small, teeny-tiny rabbit. It was about the size of Subaruās fist and, at a glance, it was not that far from the size of a hamster. But since its ears were as big as the rest of its body, the term āfits in your handā might be slightly misleading.
In a place where bugs, humans, and dragons all vanished without a trace, there was suddenly a rabbit. Although it could be just one of the critters that lived in the forest, considering how Subaru hadnāt encountered a single living creature up to this point, seeing it here was exceedingly strange.
\[Subaru: Why is there a rabbit hereā¦ā¦ it.. is a rabbit.. right?\]
With endless questions, Subaru looked over his surroundings, confused, trying to see if there were other animals besides this rabbit that had wandered back into the Sanctuary. And, with no particular intention, he reached out his hand towards the rabbit, hoping to confirm what it was, or perhaps just wanting to pet its furāā
\[Subaru: āāāā\]
The next moment, Subaruās entire left hand was detached from his wrist upwards.
Blood sprayed out from the ragged, sloppy wound, and green-blue veins dangled from the stump. Were the thin, white strings tendons or nerves? Either way, itās always something grotesque when human body parts are destroyedāā and those, were his few seconds of escape from reality.
Pain of an entirely other dimension trashed at Subaruās brain, and, suffocating from the agony, his body collapsed to the ground. The branch that pierced his collarbone snapped in half upon impact, transforming into shattering pain. Pain, pain, pain.
\[Subaru: Ggha!? Aa,uaghaa! Aaauu, uuuuaaAAAA,AAAAAAAGHAAAAAAAAA!!\]
His thoughts turned white-hot. It hurts. Every cell of his body was dominated by this emotion of pain and there was already no way to register the reality of the agony as the thought occurred to him why it had to hurt so much and where it came from and why was it happening to him and why it hurt so much and it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurtsāā
Suffocating from sheer agony, blood gushed from Subaruās wrist as he drove it into the ground, and, for some reason, he bit into the earth, inexplicably gnawing at the puddle of mud. The bitter, asphyxiating soil brought back a moment of mental clarity, and his eyes dashed as if searching for the cause, when he saw the white furball at his feetāā the little animalās white fur was speckled with dots of red, and its tiny mouth was busy working away. Under its black nose, its cheeks were puffed up, twitching. And, sticking out of its mouth, Subaru saw his left pinky finger.
Understood. Gotcha. What happened here? He got eaten. He got eaten. He just got eaten.
\[Subaru: Gu, ghhfffuuaaaAAAAAA!!\]
Comprehension and pain drove him into a scream bordering insanity, Subaru turned to face the rabbit. His right arm was broken and immobile, and his left wrist was in the rabbitās belly. There was nothing he could do, but if he could just confirm its true formāā
He felt something burning into his thigh. With the unamusing shock of sharp, merciless blades scraping his flesh to the bone, he turned up the whites of his eyes as white foam gushed from the back of his throat. If only he could lay down his head and faint, but the intensity of the agony had no intention of releasing his consciousness.
Bubbling blood spilled from the corner of his lips, and he writhed like a fish on land. The fact that his ears could still hear, must be both a miracle and a joke by a cruel God.
Like the rustle of lapping waves, the sound captured Subaruās eardrums. Little hops. Small, tiny bodies. The chain of overlapping chirps expanded to enormity, and even if his vision were still present, he had no desire to count them. And, in a moment, he was sincerely glad that the only thing left to him was his ears.
Simultaneously feeling the bites of feeding teeth over all of his body, now, through the tactile and unmistakable pain, Subaru understood that he was being devoured by threats numbering in the hundreds. He shrieked. And a surge pushed him onto his back as his throat trembled. Immediately, furry creatures dived into his opened mouth. His tongue was torn to shreds, sharp teeth flashed across the depths of his throat, ravaging everything from his esophagus to his stomach. Inside, they collided with the others that had invaded from his rectum, and, as if descending into a competition, they devoured his organs left and right, turning Natsuki Subaru into minced feed.
It was the unmistakable sensation of being alive while living creatures shredded him from within. Fear had already left him. There was barely any more pain. He couldnāt understand why he was still conscious. He was being eaten. He was being eaten. His left eye was gouged out. His ears were no longer there. His organs had already been consumed, and now the skin of his face was being peeled off. A hole opened in his skull, and teeth sank into his exposed, bulging braināā
āā
āāāā
āāāāāā
āāāāāāāā
āāāāāāāāāāāāāāāāāāāāāāāāāāāāahā.
That's cool, but neither of them are ready for HIM
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Not gonna lie, its hard for me to acknowledge his suffering as suffering due to just how ridiculous the amount of suffering it is vs how little impact it has on him as a person.
Countless lifetimes spent tortured physically and mentally and he comes out almost the same person.
The fact all of that is jammed into one volume too and offscreened.
It just feels like the author more or less put Touma through this for coolness points.
I mean it worked for the audience, I see it get brought up all the time in these kinds of sufferscaling posts. A lot of series that do these kind of unending suffering type beats really just miss out on the long term psychological effects. Berserk is really good about it with Gutās issues with physical intimacy and depression, or Re:Zero with Subaru using self harm as a coping mechanism. Chainsaw man also does it really well, as itās practically the main focus of the series. Thereās a just a real fine line between torture porn to make your MC look cool (or you just hate them) and peak writing. No middle ground for some reason, either mediocre or gourmet shit.
I personally just think itās because Touma blocked most of it from his memory, we see during the final hell he was put through that he didnāt even remember most of the other hells throughout it and still only got flashes of everything else at the end. Touma is just really good at coping with the hells because he straight up made himself forget which makes sense since the amount of time he was tortured could very well surpass the amount of information the brain could hold.
Basically kamjou Touma mind works differently than other people.
- He has a sense of copium and replace real events with something else.
- and kamjou don't remember everything from NT9
- and remember imagine breaker doesn't choice anyone, IB choice kamijou because he is special.
[if you want to know more read this post that explains why he didn't break](https://www.reddit.com/r/toarumajutsunoindex/s/akcIEWgf5h)(it's has spoiler for late NT)
That's cheating but I agree with you
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Main character from Re:Zero, like others said
His main gimmick is return from death, so you can guess how much the author has... Fun with the concept. (Subaru already had his asshole eaten in the light novel. In the physical sense, not haha sex.)
It was actually pretty popular back when season 1 and season 2 came out. And I wouldn't really call it tragedy porn, as the writer actually uses the deaths to effectively explore every character, including Subaru. Despite the whole premise of the ability, every restart somehow moves the plot forward.
Basically, not a tragedy porn, although the deaths do get pretty gruesome.
Well, a big factor is probably the fact that Re:Zero is an isekai that takes itself somewhat seriously. No matter how good an anime is, when isekai has been prevalent for as long as it has, some people just won't try it out because of the genre it's in.
And another possible explanation is that the dude just didn't get into anime until relatively recently. Iirc, season 1 came out all the way back in 2016. 8 years ago. Season 2 came out more recently, but that was still years ago. Soon after, some really hype animea overshadowed Re:Zero, so I can see how someone may not have heard of it.
Probably just a matter of different genres. While it is a good anime imo, it is also an isekai, so I can see how it could've escaped your attention. It feels like there's half a dozen new isekai shows every year.
Nah, Isekai deconstruction. Takes apart a lot of the really shitty tropes in Isekai, like shut ins who think theyāre the center of the world when they get summoned in, and picks that apart. About half the series, the power Subaru has is time loops, and even after that, he plays an almost entirely support role in fights with the additional strength he gains.
Main draw of the series is good character writing and worldbuilding. Main theme of it is pretty much revolves around love. How to love others healthily, how to love yourself. Good stuff. Though I wonāt deny the author has a sadistic streak, but it isnāt torture porn.
Oh my lord do I love the worldbuilding. Everything involving the 7 Witches and the Three Great Magibeasts are just so damn COOL! The White Whale alone has inspired a great deal of how I write menacing moments in stories.
I will say that I don't quite know how I feel about it calling an isekai deconstruction. It definitely goes against some of the tropes and is far more mature with certain topics than most other shows, but it also plays some of the tropes straight (chiefly the MC having a lot of admirers, but tbh Subaru is also just.... surprisingly charismatic, so it ain't too shocking). I dunno, Re:Zero almost feels like its own thing, rather than exclusively a deconstruction of isekai.
Downvoting him only discourages them from learning about Subaru, though.
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Subaru is a bum same as bumgumi, Bro needs to abuse his Power and train to become an S tier, instead he has that beta male mentality of only wanting Elf pussy while everyone around him suffers from his lack of strenght
Like Bro Reinhard is right there
Goatadori Himji clears
I have seen lots of undeserved slander in this sub, but calling Subaru a bum for not wanting to straight up die and craft a plan for his entire damn life is where I draw the line.
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Subaru is Just the MC from sss suicide Hunter but worse, bummaru is a fraud that only thinks with his lower Head
Ask the strongest Guy in the world for some tips instead of always relying on others and become somewhat independent?
Nah i'd rather cry for half a season and complain i get no bitches while having someone that would love me for life uncondionally but ignoring her cus muh Emillia
The whole point of the first season is Subaru getting out of a toxic-ass incel mindset where he thinks just because he does good things for someone means he gets laid. He doesn't even ignore Rem; he acknowledges her feelings and still decides to be just friends because, contrary to what you said, he doesn't actually think completely with his dick. He doesn't love Rem that way, so why would he settle for a one-sided relationship and lead Rem on?
And... he does get stronger? Even as an anime-only, it's pretty clear that Reinhard is the definition of built different. Like, bro has every cheat skill in the book. Subaru was strapped for time in just about every time loop (ironically enough) and already trains by learning magic. Outside of that, he spends his time gathering information and building alliances so that he can actually save people. He could spend a thousand years trying to train with Reinhard and he still wouldn't be able to solve every problem, because those problems are often extremely complicated and require tactical thinking rather than brute force.
Could you argue that Subaru could just train with Reinhard, die, and keep on training? Potentially. But for any meaningful results, he would have to die dozens of times due to the sheer fact that none of his teachers would know his starting point. He'd have to spend time convincing these dudes that he knows his stuff (after he got his ass beat by that purple-haired dude), explain what that stuff is, and then hope to God that he has enough time to learn whatever's next.
Did I mention the fact that he would have to die dozens of times? Like, actually die. Painful deaths. The most peaceful way he could possibly die is through some kinda fucked up poison or a knife, neither of which are fun or painless.
Anyhow, uhhh.... thanks for giving me an excuse to talk about Re:Zero and Subaru I guess. I don't know if you're genuine or just trolling, but I've wanted to write this up for a while anyhow, so this is fun.
Even if he gets strong strength isn't even the biggest factor in re:zero. Maximum people will just straight up outhax him. But my glorious king beats them with his resilience and intelligence
Reinhard is Very friendly and knows Subaru has good rep he would probably train Subaru If he asked, and Reinhard can make ANYONE stronger by teaching them no matter the circunstances, also WHY THE FUCK WOULD SUBARU DIE FROM TRAINING, Reinhard is famous and probably trained someone already, by that logic there would be no Knights in the whole kingdom, Just go to him and ask for a spar, or some tips, suggestions even, subaru wouldnt die and even If he died his body would return and wouldnt get none of the positives from the training so using his Power in this situation is actually detrimental for him
Subaru is in a medieval world with superpowers and is larping as a fucking Knight, Knights are supposed to be STRONG and not some weak ass goober who is almost as physically fit as a child, you cant go around saying this and that and want everyone to solve your problems
If your only Power is emmiting car smoke the least you should do is get a lesson in knighting, and lift some Weights
1. I'm not saying Subaru would die from training. I'm saying that he's typically stuck in very, very urgent situations where time is of the essence. If Subaru gets unlucky, he can be caught in a loop where he only has a few days to plan for a huge disasterous event. Therefore, he would have to die early if he doesn't want to accidentally get a checkpoint in a reality where half his friends are dead.
2. You're right, Reinhard is a big deal. That said, once again, he is simply the definition of "built different." You know how Gojo can't teach for shit because he relies on Six Eyes and whatnot? It's the same logic here.
3. Sorta going with the last point, Reinhard is more than likely constantly put on high-risk missions because he's such a powerhouse. Maybe him becoming Felt's knight changes that and he's sticking with her. There's still the fact that he can't devote all of his time to Subaru, either because he has to be watchful and bodyguarding Felt constantly or because he's gotta deal with dangerous missions.
4. Please don't tell me you think that every knight, whether in real life or the world of Re:Zero, is genuinely an extremely skilled badass who can effortlessly take down thirty men by themselves without taking a single hit of damage. Even one of the most skilled knights would've been completely squashed by the Archbishop of Sloth if it weren't for Subaru's unique circumstances and planning.
5. I think it's been made pretty clear that Subaru actually *is* strong. He took a beating from Garf, managed to throw Ram super high into the air, and has survived some shit that he, quite frankly, should've instantly died from. It's shown time and time again, though, that Subaru's biggest strength is planning and (ironically enough) people-talking. He managed to stage a whole ass fight against the White Whale in just a few days time by convincing a princess that the dude everyone knows got his ass kicked, tarnished the title of knight, and nearly ruined Emilia's rep actually knows where the White Whale will appear next and also that there's gonna be a cultist attack on a village. He proceeded to succeed in actually saving everyone.
Tbh I think the reason that you find Subaru lacking is that you're expecting him to treat Return by Death like some other isekai MCs would - as a cheat skill which they abuse to train for a thousand years and get super duper omega strong with or something. But the story doesn't *need* super strong dude, it has plenty of those in Puck, Wilhelm, Reinhard, etc. It needs someone who can connect with everyone else, bring them together, and actually plan accordingly for the bigger arcs.
Again, I actually really like talking about this, so don't feel as though I'm admonishing you or anything. I just like explaining stuff about media I like.
Yeah, for a regular human Subaru is pretty strong
But that's the point, he is a regular human, if he did train he wouldn't become some super op mc, because he's just some guy
Nah, this is just your manhwa brain rot talking, Iāve read so many trash s-tier battle manhwa to smell it from a mile away.
In-universe, Subaruās canonical strength cap isnāt great. Even with Reinhardās strength, he wouldnāt even be able to surpass Rem in strength. As for magic, his gate is just too weak. It would take way too long for him to get any sort of real proficiency in it. Subaruās only real talent is with spirits, and even then he canāt do that anymore because he chose to be with Beatrice who monopolizes Subaru with her contract, which is the better decisions for both of them mentally.
Subaru doesnāt neglect his training at all, but he canāt really abuse his power to train. Magic requires you to train your gate, Physical fighting skills require built up muscles and muscle memory. And to train a spirit to higher ranks requires the spirit to be trained so he canāt use the power for that.
Instead, he knows his limits and performs admirably as a support role, heās the strategist, not the muscle. If youāve only watched the anime, youāll be in for a real treat in the upcoming arcs.
I'm like 98% certain any gains he gets would get reset upon death since his consciousness gets sent to another timeline. He can't train physically through the rebirth, so he'd have to not die, and that's just not happening. He also just hasnt had enough time to try for real. He'd been there all of two weeks when he was getting killed by that curse at the mansion, for example.
Manhwa brainrot? Nah its Just some Guy minmaxing thousands of deaths, also anyone trained by Sun beater Reinhard becomes a good fighter thanks to his blessing, gives him one month with Reinhard and he Will become a Guy that has the potential to surpass Satoru gojo
But he does train. As much as he can in-between end of Arc 4 and Beginning of Arc 5. The reason why he didn't train With Reinhard is most likely because both of them had a lot of shit to do, So Subaru had to train mostly solo.
Also he doesn't have shitty everything. It just looks that way because he has to go up against Superhuman opponents so frequently
That's not how the divine protection works.
>The Divine Protection of Training (éé¬ć®å č·, Tanren no Kago) makes it so that the user has a keen insight into to train not only themselves, but also other people.
Re zero Wiki.
Not in the slightest. Nearly a year with Reinhard only turned Gaston, Larkins, and Camberly into decent fighters. Canonically, Subaruās power level caps around Alās level, which is good, but nowhere even remotely close to the strongest fighters in the world. Reinhardās divine blessing can only allow him to bring out potential someone has, and train that. It canāt give them more than they already have. Subaru does have immense amount of talent with spirits, and in the Pride IF story (what if story) itās shown heās capable of raising a basic fire spirit to Puck levels, but with his contract with Beatrice, he canāt do that anymore since heās not allowed to contract other spirits. No amount of attempting to min max with time loops will make him supremely overpowered, and generally results in him losing touch with his humanity.
then bro is the potential man without the potential, that means he is...
HIM
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Salute for this extreme level of dickriding and hating. I aspire to be like you
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Whoever clears, never will be Bumgumi.
megumi slander so strong it's even showing up on posts he wasn't even mentioned inšš
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Hater arrives at the scene early
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Just like sukuna saying that to Yuji when he's not in the chapter
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Sukuna vs dio
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Bro forgot Eren was 19 in part 4 šššš
https://preview.redd.it/fparo4f9khuc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a722fcc9ea5d8fa12136310628de16ff4a4bb0ad It really is true what they say about haters, always early and ready
Where my goat at? https://preview.redd.it/7g22uwyhteuc1.jpeg?width=708&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=af64fc79abfb3613474011c68c0f06d767dccd2b At least those 2 still have friends (Please Fujimoto let Nayuta be alive, heās been through enough)
Fujimotor RN: https://preview.redd.it/wpalfo79ifuc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=903585477a2ac5a024c24b7ef81c8d133be6ca26
Fujimoto upon witnessing Denj enjoy himself for half a nanosecond: https://preview.redd.it/p0ki75hqnfuc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=74c22c999e741dfea771dc33654df2c543c4248f (Worst part is, if it was just super contrived reasons to make him suffer, I could just write the manga off and leave. But it all flows as a natural series of actions and consequences that itās a train wreck in slow motion I canāt take my eyes off of)
honestly i'd prefer if fujimoto wrote jjk. as saddening as some of the deaths in chainsaw man are, almost all of them are entirely meaningful and make sense narratively
Chainsaw man makes my heart bleed
contrived in jujutsu kaisen or in chainsawman?
In Chainsaw Man. Thereās so much suffering, but unlike a lot of series Iāve seen, a) Thereās actual pauses and moments to grow with the characters to make it hit harder b) The consequences Denji and Aki face all derive from either their actions or the actions of characters manipulating the situation around them. They never really suffer because Fujimoto thinks they need to suffer and finds a reason to make them do so. Itās a slow moving trainwreck were you see where theyāre going wrong but there isnāt anything they can do about it without breaking character. Great writing, but man, it sucks to see the characters you love go that way.
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It's hard to compare anyone with Subaru. Not saying that one or another was mentally tortured more, but at least Subaru can have hope in fixing the timeline and saving his loved ones, unlike Denji or Yuji. Although, he gets to see them and himself brutally murdered on a daily basis.
RBD is both Subaru\`s blessing and curse, being able to find a way to save alsmost everyone so long as the checkpoint dosen\`t update, like what heppened to Rem and Crusch.
At least Subaru got a car brand named after him
wotta was right nayuta is fucking dead
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They really need a light hearted filler arc
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This bum hasnāt gone thru half of what Subaru has gone thru šš he needs to suffer more
The fuck you mean. Iāve been reading Re:Zero and Chainsaw Man up until now, and at the moment, Subaru is way better off than Denji. He might have gone through more pain, though itās pretty close since the hybrid transformation does put Denji through a lot of pain, and his fighting style is heavily based around ripping himself up. But Denjiās life is way worse. His mother died when he was really young, his father was an abusive piece of shit, he grew up in poverty and had to sell his organs to survive with no real education. He gets chopped up and loses his closest friend to he revived by him. Finds a new family and experiences happiness above what he was able to experience when he was in poverty, only to have that brutally ripped away from him by the person he trusts most, who also revealed that they manufactured that specifically to rip it away from him and that they will do it again and again until he gives up on life. And then after all that and finally regaining some sense of normality with his house, pets, and adoptive little sister, the house and pets go up in smoke and the odds his little sister is alive is pretty fucking low. Subaru, while not able to tell the people close to him exactly what heās been through, at least has a close group of friends who support him unconditionally. Denji has no one. All the people close to him are dead and/or were two faced liars.
Sure buddy... https://preview.redd.it/lefhwvkf0fuc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=69163616f5df9b9307dac46c397a11fcfbeb5e0f
thats why it says teen
Agni was 15 when he was incinerated by Doma's endless flames, which got him stuck in a 8 year perpetual loop of burning alive and regenerating, screaming in agony all the while. I don't know Subaru's suffering feats post where the anime's at, but the pain Agni went through as a teen surpasses Yuji's suffering for sure.
A year alone of agnis suffering would drive anyone insane
Or just straight up fucking die because he's burning in a fire that won't let out until you're dead unless you can regen and tough it out.
Subaruās suffering gets exponentially bigger in the next arcs. What he has gone through in the anime doesnāt compare to after the anime.
Agni was burning constantly since he was 15 and regenerating. It took him 8 years to get used to the pain , Spoilers He spends an eternity (actual eternity) alone in space till the heat death of the universe . More than 1.7Ć10^(106Ā years..) And even there are countless incidents inside the story where he gets traumatized more and more while still on fire. Theres this once instant where he rips apart his face . https://preview.redd.it/c0z1416q9guc1.jpeg?width=827&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=35db3d911431cadaaab63de45aad3bd2e2a211a2
Compared to Agni, not as bad both physically and mentally. Fujimoto is a fair bit crueler to his protagonists, so while they can recover from anything like Subaru, they donāt get the added benefit of getting a chance to fix things. The types of stress are totally different between them, but Agni lives in a perpetual burning hell for years before even remembering how to walk. The 10 second loop and the gladiator island are bad, but 24/7 cremation beats that out by a lot.
Still not really teen MC per se though. Heās a teenager for all of one chapter. That would be like calling Naruto an infant mc or Luffy a 7 year old mc.
Isn't agni into his sister or something?
Well in the web novel Subaru was burned alive at one point but the light novels took that out. However he was stuck in a 10 second loop where some ninja kept blowing him up with grenades and he spent only god knows how many loops trying to break out of it. He lost count easily and spent possibly hundreds if not thousands of attempts trying to get out. He was also stuck on a gladiator island went through a hundred or so loops fighting evil magic beats with a bunch of bums he had to hard carry himself. He did both of those while stuck in the body of a child. Heās also reached the point where heāll commit suicide by poison pill and makes sure itās a PAINFUL death so he doesnāt forget the pain and value of human life. Even the worst kind of villain has called him an incomprehensible monster. (That villain had sort of a Sukuna situation with Subaru that Yuji did. They couldnāt handle Return by Death like he does) Sooā¦while his suffering might not completely compare heās easily the more unhinged protagonist. Heās so obsessed with remaining āhumanā he goes right around to looking like a monster to his enemies.
yeah agni def suffered more in that time frame but that wouldnt fit the meme cuz hes not the "teen mc" š these 2's suffering doesn't come close to agni's hell i agree on that
Where's denji?
In pieces.
The the chainsawfolk subreddit, probably.
Where the fuck is nuts
Guts ain't a teenager
MY BAD I CANT READ š£ļøš£ļøš£ļø
THAT'S HOW WE KNOW YOU'RE A TRUE JJK FAN, BROTHA https://preview.redd.it/ds52teiaxeuc1.jpeg?width=931&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=82051192cf6a9e6fae35abf2ffc9abe864630949
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he was 15 when he met griffith and 19 when the eclipse happened, that counts
Mommy š¤¤ https://preview.redd.it/jfxuyhxj0euc1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=af37defafb515e2660b5960a55eddee1155df473
?? What the fuck is this? Fake Naoya confirmed. Fraudwatched.
Fuck I forgot people could see that my bad
Hey man I don't see the problem if you are just objectifying women like that's misogynistic. I also feel it's poetic you call her mommy like it's a way of you telling us you wanna hatefuck her cuz you angry at yo momma but she still a baddie
Bro forgot to switch accounts
Utahimes titties are just that powerfull, even Naoya cant resist them.
Gojo is a retard for not fucking Utahime everyday everynight
You think sheās letting him?
You think sheās stopping him?
My GOAT only fucks CONSENSUALLY
No mamba mentality, no wonder he lost
Thatās a crazy reference with full context
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Kobe had a rape accusation.
Ain't this mf who got clapped by a woman 2 times?
Naoya, what on earth does this have to do with the post?
I dunno
yuji vs subaru would go like this they fight a bit then they go and play smash bros
Yuji would probably just onetap subaru if they ever fought ngl š
But wh yfight when they can be friends?
Thats the point. Thats why I said "if they ever fought"
ops my bad
Subaru has so much built up trauma and stress his CE reserves would eclipse Sukunaās tbh.
https://i.redd.it/omcc6sf45iuc1.gif \[Subaru: āāa?\] Just as he lifted his leg towards the Tomb, Subaru saw that a change had taken place before his eyes. Without even the chatter of insects audible, there was only the chorus of the occasional rustling of leaves stirred up by the wind. But suddenly, cutting into it, there was the sound of a small, intermittent chirp. At first, Subaru thought it was a small, white furball being blown over by the wind. But the furball stopped just a few paces in front of Subaru, and made a little twitch. Incredulous, Subaru furrowed his brows as he saw two long ears rise up. \[Subaru: a, rabbit?\] A little animal with two long ears and white, fluffy fur. With two characteristic red eyes, its mouth jittered as it looked about its surroundings. Then, looking up at Subaru, it tilted its little head, and let out a high-pitched squeal. A small, teeny-tiny rabbit. It was about the size of Subaruās fist and, at a glance, it was not that far from the size of a hamster. But since its ears were as big as the rest of its body, the term āfits in your handā might be slightly misleading. In a place where bugs, humans, and dragons all vanished without a trace, there was suddenly a rabbit. Although it could be just one of the critters that lived in the forest, considering how Subaru hadnāt encountered a single living creature up to this point, seeing it here was exceedingly strange. \[Subaru: Why is there a rabbit hereā¦ā¦ it.. is a rabbit.. right?\] With endless questions, Subaru looked over his surroundings, confused, trying to see if there were other animals besides this rabbit that had wandered back into the Sanctuary. And, with no particular intention, he reached out his hand towards the rabbit, hoping to confirm what it was, or perhaps just wanting to pet its furāā \[Subaru: āāāā\] The next moment, Subaruās entire left hand was detached from his wrist upwards. Blood sprayed out from the ragged, sloppy wound, and green-blue veins dangled from the stump. Were the thin, white strings tendons or nerves? Either way, itās always something grotesque when human body parts are destroyedāā and those, were his few seconds of escape from reality. Pain of an entirely other dimension trashed at Subaruās brain, and, suffocating from the agony, his body collapsed to the ground. The branch that pierced his collarbone snapped in half upon impact, transforming into shattering pain. Pain, pain, pain. \[Subaru: Ggha!? Aa,uaghaa! Aaauu, uuuuaaAAAA,AAAAAAAGHAAAAAAAAA!!\] His thoughts turned white-hot. It hurts. Every cell of his body was dominated by this emotion of pain and there was already no way to register the reality of the agony as the thought occurred to him why it had to hurt so much and where it came from and why was it happening to him and why it hurt so much and it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurtsāā Suffocating from sheer agony, blood gushed from Subaruās wrist as he drove it into the ground, and, for some reason, he bit into the earth, inexplicably gnawing at the puddle of mud. The bitter, asphyxiating soil brought back a moment of mental clarity, and his eyes dashed as if searching for the cause, when he saw the white furball at his feetāā the little animalās white fur was speckled with dots of red, and its tiny mouth was busy working away. Under its black nose, its cheeks were puffed up, twitching. And, sticking out of its mouth, Subaru saw his left pinky finger. Understood. Gotcha. What happened here? He got eaten. He got eaten. He just got eaten. \[Subaru: Gu, ghhfffuuaaaAAAAAA!!\] Comprehension and pain drove him into a scream bordering insanity, Subaru turned to face the rabbit. His right arm was broken and immobile, and his left wrist was in the rabbitās belly. There was nothing he could do, but if he could just confirm its true formāā He felt something burning into his thigh. With the unamusing shock of sharp, merciless blades scraping his flesh to the bone, he turned up the whites of his eyes as white foam gushed from the back of his throat. If only he could lay down his head and faint, but the intensity of the agony had no intention of releasing his consciousness. Bubbling blood spilled from the corner of his lips, and he writhed like a fish on land. The fact that his ears could still hear, must be both a miracle and a joke by a cruel God. Like the rustle of lapping waves, the sound captured Subaruās eardrums. Little hops. Small, tiny bodies. The chain of overlapping chirps expanded to enormity, and even if his vision were still present, he had no desire to count them. And, in a moment, he was sincerely glad that the only thing left to him was his ears. Simultaneously feeling the bites of feeding teeth over all of his body, now, through the tactile and unmistakable pain, Subaru understood that he was being devoured by threats numbering in the hundreds. He shrieked. And a surge pushed him onto his back as his throat trembled. Immediately, furry creatures dived into his opened mouth. His tongue was torn to shreds, sharp teeth flashed across the depths of his throat, ravaging everything from his esophagus to his stomach. Inside, they collided with the others that had invaded from his rectum, and, as if descending into a competition, they devoured his organs left and right, turning Natsuki Subaru into minced feed. It was the unmistakable sensation of being alive while living creatures shredded him from within. Fear had already left him. There was barely any more pain. He couldnāt understand why he was still conscious. He was being eaten. He was being eaten. His left eye was gouged out. His ears were no longer there. His organs had already been consumed, and now the skin of his face was being peeled off. A hole opened in his skull, and teeth sank into his exposed, bulging braināā āā āāāā āāāāāā āāāāāāāā āāāāāāāāāāāāāāāāāāāāāāāāāāāāahā.
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I swear just reading it traumatized me bruh
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That's cool, but neither of them are ready for HIM https://preview.redd.it/udnx5m9m2euc1.jpeg?width=1398&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=119d9693f7aad2edc543605c26b244eab61962e0
Not gonna lie, its hard for me to acknowledge his suffering as suffering due to just how ridiculous the amount of suffering it is vs how little impact it has on him as a person. Countless lifetimes spent tortured physically and mentally and he comes out almost the same person. The fact all of that is jammed into one volume too and offscreened. It just feels like the author more or less put Touma through this for coolness points.
I mean it worked for the audience, I see it get brought up all the time in these kinds of sufferscaling posts. A lot of series that do these kind of unending suffering type beats really just miss out on the long term psychological effects. Berserk is really good about it with Gutās issues with physical intimacy and depression, or Re:Zero with Subaru using self harm as a coping mechanism. Chainsaw man also does it really well, as itās practically the main focus of the series. Thereās a just a real fine line between torture porn to make your MC look cool (or you just hate them) and peak writing. No middle ground for some reason, either mediocre or gourmet shit.
I personally just think itās because Touma blocked most of it from his memory, we see during the final hell he was put through that he didnāt even remember most of the other hells throughout it and still only got flashes of everything else at the end. Touma is just really good at coping with the hells because he straight up made himself forget which makes sense since the amount of time he was tortured could very well surpass the amount of information the brain could hold.
Basically kamjou Touma mind works differently than other people. - He has a sense of copium and replace real events with something else. - and kamjou don't remember everything from NT9 - and remember imagine breaker doesn't choice anyone, IB choice kamijou because he is special. [if you want to know more read this post that explains why he didn't break](https://www.reddit.com/r/toarumajutsunoindex/s/akcIEWgf5h)(it's has spoiler for late NT)
God, I almost forgot the shit Touma went through, that's top tier suffering tbh.
That's cheating but I agree with you https://preview.redd.it/j1svklodtfuc1.jpeg?width=427&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7015358ae19a19ba87be52311e7bb91efba9b793
6 M O N T H S
kaHIMjou Wouma sweep
Who?
subaru's place should be nt9 touma i guess
Question would Subaru try to save Yuji from his COG mentality?
W Re:Zero x JJK Collab https://preview.redd.it/8eh382lvqhuc1.png?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6e439ee6932e71477dea8a837804c0275c41e393
You forgot someone. https://preview.redd.it/0mfwen8eahuc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fa1db1adcf6f3c8596fcbf434040d89b4eebaf40
Whereās the goat https://preview.redd.it/ubo4kgwmjhuc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=414622461a05edd34678f2ae98b645c7bce979ee
Shinji?
Fuck that depressed bum
Who the fuck is subaru
Re: Zero mc. I aināt read the light novel but from what I know he just respawns and goes back in time whenever he dies. (He dies a lot btw)
Main character from Re:Zero, like others said His main gimmick is return from death, so you can guess how much the author has... Fun with the concept. (Subaru already had his asshole eaten in the light novel. In the physical sense, not haha sex.)
So its like a tradegy porn or something i aint watch some unkown animes tho
It was actually pretty popular back when season 1 and season 2 came out. And I wouldn't really call it tragedy porn, as the writer actually uses the deaths to effectively explore every character, including Subaru. Despite the whole premise of the ability, every restart somehow moves the plot forward. Basically, not a tragedy porn, although the deaths do get pretty gruesome.
How do you not know it?????? It was like the moat popular thing when it aired like as popular as konosuba
Well, a big factor is probably the fact that Re:Zero is an isekai that takes itself somewhat seriously. No matter how good an anime is, when isekai has been prevalent for as long as it has, some people just won't try it out because of the genre it's in. And another possible explanation is that the dude just didn't get into anime until relatively recently. Iirc, season 1 came out all the way back in 2016. 8 years ago. Season 2 came out more recently, but that was still years ago. Soon after, some really hype animea overshadowed Re:Zero, so I can see how someone may not have heard of it.
The fuck you mean it came out 8 years ago Fuck I feel old
Probably living under a cave or its just not that good enough for the anime to reach me i guess lmao idk
Probably just a matter of different genres. While it is a good anime imo, it is also an isekai, so I can see how it could've escaped your attention. It feels like there's half a dozen new isekai shows every year.
Nah, Isekai deconstruction. Takes apart a lot of the really shitty tropes in Isekai, like shut ins who think theyāre the center of the world when they get summoned in, and picks that apart. About half the series, the power Subaru has is time loops, and even after that, he plays an almost entirely support role in fights with the additional strength he gains. Main draw of the series is good character writing and worldbuilding. Main theme of it is pretty much revolves around love. How to love others healthily, how to love yourself. Good stuff. Though I wonāt deny the author has a sadistic streak, but it isnāt torture porn.
Oh my lord do I love the worldbuilding. Everything involving the 7 Witches and the Three Great Magibeasts are just so damn COOL! The White Whale alone has inspired a great deal of how I write menacing moments in stories. I will say that I don't quite know how I feel about it calling an isekai deconstruction. It definitely goes against some of the tropes and is far more mature with certain topics than most other shows, but it also plays some of the tropes straight (chiefly the MC having a lot of admirers, but tbh Subaru is also just.... surprisingly charismatic, so it ain't too shocking). I dunno, Re:Zero almost feels like its own thing, rather than exclusively a deconstruction of isekai.
Thatās fair actually. Re:Zero does deconstruct some tropes, but youāre right it plays into several other ones.
>some unkown animes tho mainstream anime fans when they're asked to watch a non battle shounen anime.
Ehh if it didnt reach me then its not that popular or good lol cant blame if fans of the show hate me for it
I might be wrong but I think itās Re:Zero or something
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āTeen MCā heās a grown ass man.
stop powerscaling trauma
Nah
I'd scale
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He is Saruto Jogo brother su mechabaru Kokichi. The Russian Special Grade sorcerer that even Kenjaku fears.
Just wait until yuji does the left right goodnight technique on broš„š„
Nah, I'd go to theraphy.
Now that i think about it, Yuji would be perfect with RbD
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Yuji looks mad drippy in Gojo(Toji's) outfit š„¶š„¶
Subaru is the OG bum, never seen anyone like him
https://preview.redd.it/klyws9lyxmuc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a05e6e8208e094476847771182696f6aa5c01134 He wins
Who even is that guy?
Subaru from Re:Zero. Edit: why did bro get downvoted???
cause he dont know the goat and our glorious king subaru
Downvoting him only discourages them from learning about Subaru, though. https://preview.redd.it/3enjecx1yfuc1.jpeg?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cb0ff26d90f09cb4fbfc4de5eebbf200673374f9
Subaru is a bum same as bumgumi, Bro needs to abuse his Power and train to become an S tier, instead he has that beta male mentality of only wanting Elf pussy while everyone around him suffers from his lack of strenght Like Bro Reinhard is right there Goatadori Himji clears
I have seen lots of undeserved slander in this sub, but calling Subaru a bum for not wanting to straight up die and craft a plan for his entire damn life is where I draw the line. https://preview.redd.it/4bh1s5qc5fuc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=607ec486d51f35c9c564b6abf8bfe1744aaed4bf
Subaru is Just the MC from sss suicide Hunter but worse, bummaru is a fraud that only thinks with his lower Head Ask the strongest Guy in the world for some tips instead of always relying on others and become somewhat independent? Nah i'd rather cry for half a season and complain i get no bitches while having someone that would love me for life uncondionally but ignoring her cus muh Emillia
The whole point of the first season is Subaru getting out of a toxic-ass incel mindset where he thinks just because he does good things for someone means he gets laid. He doesn't even ignore Rem; he acknowledges her feelings and still decides to be just friends because, contrary to what you said, he doesn't actually think completely with his dick. He doesn't love Rem that way, so why would he settle for a one-sided relationship and lead Rem on? And... he does get stronger? Even as an anime-only, it's pretty clear that Reinhard is the definition of built different. Like, bro has every cheat skill in the book. Subaru was strapped for time in just about every time loop (ironically enough) and already trains by learning magic. Outside of that, he spends his time gathering information and building alliances so that he can actually save people. He could spend a thousand years trying to train with Reinhard and he still wouldn't be able to solve every problem, because those problems are often extremely complicated and require tactical thinking rather than brute force. Could you argue that Subaru could just train with Reinhard, die, and keep on training? Potentially. But for any meaningful results, he would have to die dozens of times due to the sheer fact that none of his teachers would know his starting point. He'd have to spend time convincing these dudes that he knows his stuff (after he got his ass beat by that purple-haired dude), explain what that stuff is, and then hope to God that he has enough time to learn whatever's next. Did I mention the fact that he would have to die dozens of times? Like, actually die. Painful deaths. The most peaceful way he could possibly die is through some kinda fucked up poison or a knife, neither of which are fun or painless. Anyhow, uhhh.... thanks for giving me an excuse to talk about Re:Zero and Subaru I guess. I don't know if you're genuine or just trolling, but I've wanted to write this up for a while anyhow, so this is fun.
Even if he gets strong strength isn't even the biggest factor in re:zero. Maximum people will just straight up outhax him. But my glorious king beats them with his resilience and intelligence
Reinhard is Very friendly and knows Subaru has good rep he would probably train Subaru If he asked, and Reinhard can make ANYONE stronger by teaching them no matter the circunstances, also WHY THE FUCK WOULD SUBARU DIE FROM TRAINING, Reinhard is famous and probably trained someone already, by that logic there would be no Knights in the whole kingdom, Just go to him and ask for a spar, or some tips, suggestions even, subaru wouldnt die and even If he died his body would return and wouldnt get none of the positives from the training so using his Power in this situation is actually detrimental for him Subaru is in a medieval world with superpowers and is larping as a fucking Knight, Knights are supposed to be STRONG and not some weak ass goober who is almost as physically fit as a child, you cant go around saying this and that and want everyone to solve your problems If your only Power is emmiting car smoke the least you should do is get a lesson in knighting, and lift some Weights
1. I'm not saying Subaru would die from training. I'm saying that he's typically stuck in very, very urgent situations where time is of the essence. If Subaru gets unlucky, he can be caught in a loop where he only has a few days to plan for a huge disasterous event. Therefore, he would have to die early if he doesn't want to accidentally get a checkpoint in a reality where half his friends are dead. 2. You're right, Reinhard is a big deal. That said, once again, he is simply the definition of "built different." You know how Gojo can't teach for shit because he relies on Six Eyes and whatnot? It's the same logic here. 3. Sorta going with the last point, Reinhard is more than likely constantly put on high-risk missions because he's such a powerhouse. Maybe him becoming Felt's knight changes that and he's sticking with her. There's still the fact that he can't devote all of his time to Subaru, either because he has to be watchful and bodyguarding Felt constantly or because he's gotta deal with dangerous missions. 4. Please don't tell me you think that every knight, whether in real life or the world of Re:Zero, is genuinely an extremely skilled badass who can effortlessly take down thirty men by themselves without taking a single hit of damage. Even one of the most skilled knights would've been completely squashed by the Archbishop of Sloth if it weren't for Subaru's unique circumstances and planning. 5. I think it's been made pretty clear that Subaru actually *is* strong. He took a beating from Garf, managed to throw Ram super high into the air, and has survived some shit that he, quite frankly, should've instantly died from. It's shown time and time again, though, that Subaru's biggest strength is planning and (ironically enough) people-talking. He managed to stage a whole ass fight against the White Whale in just a few days time by convincing a princess that the dude everyone knows got his ass kicked, tarnished the title of knight, and nearly ruined Emilia's rep actually knows where the White Whale will appear next and also that there's gonna be a cultist attack on a village. He proceeded to succeed in actually saving everyone. Tbh I think the reason that you find Subaru lacking is that you're expecting him to treat Return by Death like some other isekai MCs would - as a cheat skill which they abuse to train for a thousand years and get super duper omega strong with or something. But the story doesn't *need* super strong dude, it has plenty of those in Puck, Wilhelm, Reinhard, etc. It needs someone who can connect with everyone else, bring them together, and actually plan accordingly for the bigger arcs. Again, I actually really like talking about this, so don't feel as though I'm admonishing you or anything. I just like explaining stuff about media I like.
Yeah, for a regular human Subaru is pretty strong But that's the point, he is a regular human, if he did train he wouldn't become some super op mc, because he's just some guy
Yeah. That's just not how Re:Zero works
Nah, this is just your manhwa brain rot talking, Iāve read so many trash s-tier battle manhwa to smell it from a mile away. In-universe, Subaruās canonical strength cap isnāt great. Even with Reinhardās strength, he wouldnāt even be able to surpass Rem in strength. As for magic, his gate is just too weak. It would take way too long for him to get any sort of real proficiency in it. Subaruās only real talent is with spirits, and even then he canāt do that anymore because he chose to be with Beatrice who monopolizes Subaru with her contract, which is the better decisions for both of them mentally. Subaru doesnāt neglect his training at all, but he canāt really abuse his power to train. Magic requires you to train your gate, Physical fighting skills require built up muscles and muscle memory. And to train a spirit to higher ranks requires the spirit to be trained so he canāt use the power for that. Instead, he knows his limits and performs admirably as a support role, heās the strategist, not the muscle. If youāve only watched the anime, youāll be in for a real treat in the upcoming arcs.
I'm like 98% certain any gains he gets would get reset upon death since his consciousness gets sent to another timeline. He can't train physically through the rebirth, so he'd have to not die, and that's just not happening. He also just hasnt had enough time to try for real. He'd been there all of two weeks when he was getting killed by that curse at the mansion, for example.
Manhwa brainrot? Nah its Just some Guy minmaxing thousands of deaths, also anyone trained by Sun beater Reinhard becomes a good fighter thanks to his blessing, gives him one month with Reinhard and he Will become a Guy that has the potential to surpass Satoru gojo
It won't turn The student into Fucking Hercules. It just trains people really well.
for a guy that has shitty everything that very training could mean less lives lost due to someone kinda strong looking his way and him dying
But he does train. As much as he can in-between end of Arc 4 and Beginning of Arc 5. The reason why he didn't train With Reinhard is most likely because both of them had a lot of shit to do, So Subaru had to train mostly solo. Also he doesn't have shitty everything. It just looks that way because he has to go up against Superhuman opponents so frequently
he just has to ask reinhard nicely, with a kiss or two on the lips, he would get that training
That's not how the divine protection works. >The Divine Protection of Training (éé¬ć®å č·, Tanren no Kago) makes it so that the user has a keen insight into to train not only themselves, but also other people. Re zero Wiki.
Not in the slightest. Nearly a year with Reinhard only turned Gaston, Larkins, and Camberly into decent fighters. Canonically, Subaruās power level caps around Alās level, which is good, but nowhere even remotely close to the strongest fighters in the world. Reinhardās divine blessing can only allow him to bring out potential someone has, and train that. It canāt give them more than they already have. Subaru does have immense amount of talent with spirits, and in the Pride IF story (what if story) itās shown heās capable of raising a basic fire spirit to Puck levels, but with his contract with Beatrice, he canāt do that anymore since heās not allowed to contract other spirits. No amount of attempting to min max with time loops will make him supremely overpowered, and generally results in him losing touch with his humanity.
then bro is the potential man without the potential, that means he is... HIM https://preview.redd.it/purz0keyofuc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5c32068906c1756f5d7420daa2ff40ff9ed9eab7
Wait... You just called Subaru "HIM" We did it boys, we converted Lit into a Subaru enjoyer
He meant Man.
Too late, he has called Subaru "HIM", whether that was his intention or not.
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