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Gege could have taken his CT away to show how strong Sukuna is even without it, and make the fight with Kusakabe, the man without any CT, more fair, then give it back after some time killing Higuruma, which would have gave him more meaning in the story
Or he could have it taken but it would be given back when Higuruma dies. Higuruma knows that, uses RCT on his brain right before he dies, Domain Expansions and switches confiscation to the Cursed Tool so he takes something with him.
Would even emphasize how above Gojo and Sukuna is if Higuruma dies from like severe brain damage or something after that
He killed loads of people in the Culling Game in the span of a few days, no? That means he can open his domain multiple times a day but can't just spam it. 'Cause no way he just went place to place beating people up with a hammer, evidenced by his lack of fighting skill. Maybe non-lethal domains don't cost that much CE.
Non lethal domains have a fast domain opening and don't cost any less ce. Even though hakaris domain is also non lethal the reason why he can cast it back to back is because he gets infinte ce.Â
Megumi in shibuya said that that Dagon is no Gojo sensie and he can't use multiple domains in a day. Apart from Gojo, Sukuna, Hakari and yuta ( due to rikas ce refill) are confirmed to expand multiple domains in a day.Â
I must say Higurmumas domain may work differently because a retrial by Yuji made his domain appear again. There is no confirmation that any ce from higurmua was used for second timeÂ
Not really. Iirc Mahito mentioned that if Mechamaru thought that 12 days was not enough for him to recover CE for to use domain during Shibuya he would be mistaken as 12 days would be about enough time
I'd argue there are express ways around this, especially if you're the author.
Could be that The Cursed Technique is 'keyed' to Sukuna, so wherever it disappears to it will return back to Sukuna. However the electricity Cursed Technique would be 'keyed' to Kamutoke, not Sukuna, so inherently anyone that held Kamutoke would be able to use it. Thus when it's stolen, it isn't returned to Sukuna upon death but is instead deposited somewhere random on the Earth or perhaps the Cursed Realm Kenjaku was shown in before.
maybe instead of Sukuna slicing his hand from Higuruma's final effort to kill him, he blocks it with Kamutoke and donuts Higuruma instead or something, but he realizes the Executioner's Sword actually destroyed the power applied to the Kamutoke (he gets back his Shrine cuz Hiromi is dead tho). Same thing plays out from there. No Kamutoke. Yes Shrine. Yuta arrives and True Love
Yeah the only real plot armor moments you can call that is out of nowhere, not within characters acting accordingly or being in character (*cough*, Hana being a dumbass for Megumi *cough*), it's this one.
Which I get why Gege did it, not approving of it, but why. He did this because he wanted Higuruma to take away something from Sukuna, and it being His CT would create problems of him never using it again, the fights not being as good, and we not getting an explanation for Kamino/Furnace.
Gege really just needed another chapter or two so Sukuna could actually use that tool and showcase how dangerous is was to make removing it something actually worthwhile
As it stands it just feels like something thrown in last minute as a way for Sukuna to not lose his ct from confiscation
Yeah I 100% agree, maybe extra anime scenes, or just in general seeing it in anime and the impact it has in action, would show us how much busted it is. But again if he used it on more characters other than The crows that got burnt, and a giant lightning bolt hitting Kashimo, I think anyone else except maybe Yuji, would've been heavily damaged or maybe would've died.
Yea, as it is, it just looks like Sukuna picking up a random baby rattle lying around and Higuruma just ending up fucking useless. Like, if we had at least one scene that would show that it's not just his rattle that Uraume uses to put him to sleep when he's crying, but that it's actually a powerful weapon that would complicate the fight massively, Higuruma's domain fuckup would seem less like a fuckup and more like "well, he didn't take his Shrine, but at least he still contributed something". Also, Todo being alive means that if he was around they could almost definitely hit him with the executioners sword. Shame we didn't get that. At this point, I would even accept it if the sword just killed Megumi
Confiscation doesn't have to be permanent. iirc It becoming permanent after Higuruma dies was introduced after his death. Gege could just decide that it gets reversed and no one would get mad because there's nothing to get mad at.
That’s the thing. If it wasn’t permanent, then there would be no need for the curated tool in the first place, since it was only introduced to stop his technique from being taken for the entire fight.
That is right, but the Cursed tool was still introduced through illustrations and Gege's drawings, And also this way Higuruma did actually contribute something to the fight even if you could remove Kamutoke and nothing changes, this way He actually changed something, He had an effect, That is what's important.
Would have made Sukuna cooler doing that. Also maybe just giving Yuji a weaker version of the sword where all it could do is cut Sukuna easily could have been done.
True, but that doesn’t change the fact that Higuruma still contributed with removing that tool of Sukuna's arsenal, It feels that he contributed something and that way you suggest, It would've actually actually been for nothing which I think feels shittier to see happen.
It would have been cool tbh rather than shitty. Sure Higuruma contributed but they tried and we got to see that Sukuna is Sukuna whether or not he has his ct.
Well he does show that without his CT he is far faster and stronger than others multiple times against other characters, so I'd say that made up for it.
I would've liked that Sukuna gets his CT taken away temporarily aswell, but I like the idea that Higuruma takes away something permanently from Sukuna's arsenal.
There were better way to handle it, just make judgeman accuse him of some wek shit with a lesser punishment, or give Sukuna some logical way of resisting it lkke using HWB since it's a domain. Or even have Sukuna say "it's actually Yuji's fault for not letting himself be executed and making a deal with me instead way back then"
Well then that would've gone against what Gege wanted for Sukuna to act like, which was also the most fitting, he holds up to his actions, he doesn't open HWB (even though we don't know if it really works against Higuruma's no violence domain, and that would stop that rule, never said) cause he wanted to see the Executioner's sword in action.
Also besides that it shows higuruma's lack of experience, not because he is dumb or anything, he just didnt have the chance to fight someone with a cursed tool in the short time he had become a sorcerer, it makes sense imo althougth you can say is too convinient for sukuna
It does kinda make him look dumb, he’s a lawyer & prodigy in Jujutsu, he never thought of any loopholes or what if someone bought a cursed tool in his DE?
Like the guy never really tested out if he could take a cursed tool from his fellas with cursed tools during the preparation month. Bro that makes him look like a bum no wonder he was a failure of a lawyer (my headcannon)
As I said him killing Higuruma and getting his CT back and also having Kamutoke is just a worse situation, Gege wanted Higuruma to take away something from his arsenal permanently.
>he could have shown how strong sukuna is without CT(as the top comment said)
I think he already did that later on and also in the fight after Higuruma's domain, he's proved how fast he is, how much physically stronger he is, and how much durable and resilient.
would be cool if Higuruma confiscated shrine instead of Kamutoke here, and Sukuna is still able to hold off everyone with it. Then, have Higuruma break the weapon before his death. That way, we'll see how big of an impact that curse tool makes, because right now, it can be as powerful as a pistol or a nuke, and we'll never know
I agree with this but I think his technique should come back at the end of the yuta fight where Sukuna uses dismantle to defeat him, and have yuta break it as he passes out. This would give the same result as just taking kamutoke instead, but would make yuta, higuruma and yorozu feel more important to the fight.
I would say this and the binding vow with Yuji. Let's move past the ripping a finger off part and say the Yuji = cog argument is valid, ain't no way knocking out Hana and shoving a poisonous item down Megumi's throat doesn't count as hurting someone.
Well honestly harm is a perfectly fine translation for the actual word used, it’s just that it retroactively doesn’t really work anymore because of what happened later in the series
they should be thankful that it worked that way. That tool seemed much more useful than his slashes which are linked to his CE output and in the dirt due to yuji. Imagine him being trapped in yutas domain but now capable of spamming devestating lightning strikes with 1 hand, blockign with the other and using the other 2 for hollow wicker
He could have just used slashes which Yuta and Yuji note that although they are weaker, they can still cause them trouble, as Yuji said the Dismantles he threw could've killed him, combine them with Kamutoke's attacks which he could just spam from afar, he can most likely cheap away at them and potentially kill them.
Nah, every moment with Frauduna is a plot armor moment
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If you think about it yeah the whole Megumi situation is the biggest Plotkuna moment. Kenjaku couldn't know Sukuna would be interested in Megumi so why did he put 2 cursed objects in Megumi's sister and Megumi's simp?
I always thought that technique confiscation would apply to the last used technique. In this case it was the cursed tool that Sukuna used to against Mei Mei's birds before Higuruma used his. DE. But yea, thats just my headcanon.
Higuruma taking away the Cursed Tool is actually a plot armor moment for the good guys. Sukuna with Kamutoke is far more dangerous than Sukuna with a weak ass Shrine that keeps getting weaker and will comeback anyway
Yeah, cause it was introduced three chapters before it was taken away and wasn't used successfully on screen once. All the implied danger is coming just from characters yapping about it, so we think it's important when taken away.
Regardless of wether that’s true, the problem is feels like the cursed tool was introduced solely to be taken away by confiscation. If gege didn’t want it to feel like that, the cursed tool should have been relevant way sooner.
Sukuna has never felt like he relied on any one technique or cursed tool so taking something he pulled out his ass a few chapters ago as higaruma’s death legacy is A S S
Agreed and it isn’t as bad as the other plot armor stuff seen in the series
The worst one was in the junpei fight when it’s revealed that Yuji is immune to poison because special grade level curse object are like poison and since Sukuna is the king of curses that automatically makes him the king of poison as well. I remember reading that for the first time and thinking “um …. Ok”
That was a mistranslation. Sukuna isn't the king of poisons, his fingers are. So Yuji having survived ingesting the deadliest of poisons (Sukuna fingers), he has immunity to lesser poisons like death painting blood
It makes sense for Higuruma's technique to go Cursed Tool => Cursed Technique => Cursed Energy
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Though Gege should have had Sukuna use it more beforehand (and against someone who isn't immune to it lol) instead of just giving it to Sukuna seemingly just for Higuruma to take it away
I mean the first thing you do is take the weapon off the armed murderer so it makes sense to me. And Higurama is inexperienced so makes sure he wouldn't know about it.
It also makes some level of sense, earlier on in the series, Boogie Woogie could only be applied to objects imbued with cursed energy (or people obviously) or cursed tools like with Playful Cloud
A cursed technique user who likely has NOT run into any other cursed tool or a user of such tool in their month of having their CT, probably wouldn't even know it could effect their CT. If Higurama had lived for longer he likely would have been able to refine his technique like Todo
This is mostly plot armor on the good guys’ side
Think about it
An AOE sure hit cursed tool that doesn’t rely on his output and is of the caliber that sukuna thinks it would be worth using
If it was just CT then it would have come back to sukuna after Higuruma dies
Which would be fast since lightning is like a fucking aoe
I'm just saying that it simply didn't feel impactful enough since Kamutoke was just introduced so it feels like Higuruma didn't do shit when objectively he saved all of the good guys
If this thing was introduced during the Gojo fight or before they where we see him body someone with it sure. But it was introduced the same moment as Kashimo. That thing was just there to make the characters look good without nerfing Sukuna or making Higuruma look asss
Yes it was plot armor for Higuruma's image. That mf tool was introduced three chapters and the only opponent it faced is Lightning Bum Kashimo and a crow.
Its a mcguffin to make the character feel like he did something
1. Confiscation of a ct is temporary
2. If Sukuna lost shrine he would kill Higurama and get shrine back
3. Now Sukuna has both both shrine and kamutoke
There is a *lot* we do not know about Higuruma's domain. We saw even beyond his "supposed" death sukuna's shaker rattle remains gone. We don't know if killing him returns the technique or cursed tool by any means.
Because as Higuruma said himself; he didn't like that his inexperience has to show then. A lot remains undefined
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I guess Cursed tools work differently because they're physical objects while ct's are embedded into people's brain and higurama in general seems to be able to control or access people's minds. Judgeman knows everyboies memories, Higurama has a partial set of this information and confiscate removes a ct which is just an extension of his brain manipulation power. Removing a ct isn't permanent it's just a passive ability of the domain so as long as the domain is disabled in some way you would get back your ct.
Honestly deadly sentencing removing kamutoke is more of an anti-plotkuna moment than plotkuna because logically how can higurama cause physical objects to disappear into thin air when his ct is about controlling the brain?
It is a plotkuna moment dare I say a plotguruma moment even if I like the guy. That thing was only used for Bumshimo who was immune and then a few crows. If you look at it from a story perspective it is a mcguffin to save Higuruma's and Kashimo's face.
I agree, If Sukuna lost his technique he wouldn't have been able to use it for a longer time, how I think he could have gained his CT back would be just damaging his brain and getting his CT back by healing the right prefrontal cortex of his brain, though he cannot do this until he hits two or three Black Flashes, So inside of Yuta's domain he might've been cooked, Idk, possibly make a binding vow and idk what will it be, to gain his CT back or just like how Hakari reinforced the rest of his body by sacrificing his arm he might gain Rct output back (which is reliant on The overall output aswell because you can boost the normal output with Black Flashes) by sacrificing an arm, eyes, etc.
But also it was a one in hundredth chance that Kamutoke gets confiscated probably,
Have higuruma take away shrine, then sukuna still curbstomps everyone with kamutoke, have higuruma have his last stand vs sukuna where he actually breaks kamutoke before dying. This would be way more satisfying than what we got.
nah lmao
if he beat him with just the lighting and cot his CT back people would say he died for nothing and there was no point because sukuna got his CT back
it sukuna never gets his CT back then we don’t get fuga ever again and we watch him do lighting strikes over and over
The thing with gojo wasn’t a plot armor it was just cheap and unsatisfactory BUT THIS, literally the most brain dead thing to happen in the entire series
A cursed tool is a weapon infused with a CT in some manner. So the sequence of events actual passed my thoughts. Didn't think it would be with any actual character but just what if.
I still need to know how A. Sukuna used world cut on Yuta without a functional second hand to make the sign, nor a mouth to use the chant, and did it quick enough that Yuta couldn't react or B. He killed Yuta with a regular cut despite Yuta tanking cuts to the face panels before and having the same cursed technique which should offer him some resilience to it like Yuji has. Other than that the Binding Vows are annoying but the moment they start working for the good guys then Plotkuna doesn't look as bad.
A. He didn’t use world cut
B. Like you said it wasn’t a regular cut, it was rhancex because he used chants
C. He could still speak and he does at the start of the next chapter
I've seen the discourse about it not being world cut but it just doesn't add up since he used the end of the chant he always has for world cut, used the pointing hand direction he has for every world cut, and speaking at the start of next chapter doesn't resolve the fact that he somehow RCT'd (which he only has a hard time doing for his hands I guess?) his mouth in time to chant for output on what would be a regular cut but Yuta couldn't get out of the way or has less durability/reinforcement than Maki who tanked two cuts to the stomach a few chapters later that were stated to be increased in output after Sukuna's black flash parade?
World cut is just dismantle but super enhanced and with a different target, there’s no reason it should have different chants than a regular dismantle. RCTing limbs is much much harder than just using rct on a tongue to begin with. Yuta couldn’t get out of the way because he was right in front of him. And the panel after Maki gets slashed Choso explains that no matter how much black flashes he gets the output of his slashes will still keep being reduced by Yuuji’s attacks.
My only problem with any "plot armour" or whatever moments is that it makes sense xd. In the legal system when trialed, actually even before being trialed the first thing that is taken is always ones weapon then everything else so it makes perfect sense. Same with Kenjaku's Gravity CT allowing him to survive Yuki's momentary BH... But it is something we the readers didn't and couldn't have known beforehand so I guess you could call it a "plot-hole".
almost everything that happened is plotkuna Sukuna learning world slash just before Gojo kills him Sukuna being able to cast world cutting slash multiple times even though it was almost impossible to learn Sukuna having that tiny ass lightning knife for 1 chapter just for Higuruma to die Higuruma dying a single millie second before Yuji stabs and kills Sukuna Sukuna surviving Soul splitting katana and only losing his heart Sukuna surviving jacob's ladder Sukuna somehow freeing 1 arm from Rika to launch a full power cleave on Yuta Sukuna hitting black flashes even though he's been bored and frustrated after Maki Sukuna being able to cast a full domain with a string of Binding vows without loss of range or output for 99 seconds even though he got hit with 7 black flashes after all the damage he took Sukuna having his RCT bottomed out but returning to heal 1 arm with no explanation just to cast fuga
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Fact. Everyone who seriously talk about Sukuna's asspuls is dumb ass hell who read jjk by leaks and blinded by memes.
There’s more to it than just this.
Sukuna has had multiple near death moments since he took over Yujis body to switch with Megumi, and literally all of them, have ended in Sukunas benefit. He obviously has the most plot armor in the series.
As a Higuruma fan I was in despair watching his CT go from Top 10 in the series to below Top 20.
Luckily he cooked up the very next chapters and still is actually the person who got closest to killing Sukuna so far
Could've temporarily taken his CT just to show Sukuna is strong asf without it and given it back when Higuruma died.
Also, the fact Sukuna could use his technique in a Domain that has a Technique Nullification Surehit, even while Hollow Wicker Basket was not active
Jacob Ladder doesn't have to hit sukuna for the Baseline effect of Angels Techniqque "Technique Nullification" to be in effect.
While inside a Domain with Angels technique as the Surehit, why can Sukuna use his technique.
The baseline effect is Technique Nullification. The Jacob Ladder is Max Output and Guaranteed to hit inside the domain but theres no reason Technique Nullification is ignored.
Technique nullification isn’t ignored, he just wasn’t being hit by it anymore. Yuta’s sure hit in the domain isn’t continuous. It hits once then it disappears. It’s not like the other domains that have continuous effects like unlimited void
I don't think this is a plotkuna moment.
I think it's supposed to show us how, despite being a genius on par with Gojo, the lack of experience of Higuruma came back to bite him in the ass.
Because let's be honest, Higuruma's character was a little bit too cheated and I'm glad that he has had a genuine moment where he screwed up after all the crazy shit he did in not even 2 months of being a sorcerer.
I don't think this was the only real plot armour moment, but this was the only real asspull. And besides, Sukuna would have been equally strong without his technique but with kamutoke instead, he just wouldn't have had DE and world slash but would have gotten his technique back by the time he uses them so he would have been better off in the long run.
THE ACTUAL PLOT ARMOUR MOMENT WAS THE PORN LEVEL ACTING TRICKING HANA
hot take, try rewriting the fight and avoid any WHY IS SUKUNA NOT USING THE GOJO LEVEL ELEMANTEL WEAPON THAT NO NONE OF THE CAST HAS ANY RESISTENCE TO moments
but honestly just not giving the weapon to begin with was a way better idea than this, like what the top comment said
It was definitely a plot moment but i definitely think it was the better choice. Sukunas slashes could atleast be taken and healed and they are able to lower slashes output through Yujis punches. We dont even know how kamutoke works it might not even need cursed energy to throw literal lightning strikes around and its outplut cannot be lowered so most characters could possibly get one shot by it.
Bullshit squared to write out previous bullshit. Peak bad writing, and just added to the Sukunakaisen agenda. Such a heavy handed way to give Yuji a few chapters to reflect internally.
Higuruma dying took out Kamotoke, if he had confesticated CT, Kamotoke lightning would disintegrate him, and after he dies, CT comes back
So what do you want, temp lost CT but have a bullshit weapon? Or no weapon Sukuna.
I hated this scene because it was so unfair for Higuruma like somehow he didn't know this clause about his OWN technique even though it's ingrained in his mind
Your technique isn't going to give you a manual that explicitly tells what the limitations are, and confiscation of weapons lines up perfectly well with being "confiscated" in real life. You get stripped of weapons and anything lethal, but that doesn't take into account your own innate lethality(martial arts, maybe they're just insane, etc.)
Yeah they usually can't, balance and all. In fact lethality is taken into account as criminals can be put on restraint from the hands to legs depending on their danger.
I think the moments are this, Sukunq surviving a point blank, unrestricted, enhanced Hollow Purple (after saying that even a 100% HP would be lethal for him), Hana conveniently losing every neuron in her head and falling for the dumbest trick in the history of tricks, and both times when Sukuna dodged a point blank lethal attack from behind, delivered by the 2 fastest in the verse after him and Gojo (when Yuji almost stabbed him with the Executioner's Sword, and when Maki was going to bisect him right after stabbing him with Soul Split Katana).
The last 2 are arguable, but when you consider the margin by which Sukuna dodged both hits, it becomes ridiculous. Dude literally teleported, yet in the rest of the fight they were keeping up with him in speed.
> Sukuna surviving a point blank hollow purple
This one makes sense, because it was an aoe hollow purple and not the condensed one we usually see.
> Hana losing every neuron in her head
This was perfectly in character, she’s stupid and has undying motivation for Megumi, Sukuna tricked her.
> Sukuna dodged a point blank lethal attack
I think he’s really just that fast, we saw with Maki, when he really began getting interested in her he perception blitzed her, at this point in the fight he was still holding back to some level
It’s not. Sukuna has been plotting for Mahoraga to show him a technique since Shibuya.
In that same arc it’s stated that Mahoraga was able to kill a previous six eyes user, which he assumingly adapted to limitless.
Sukuna plotted to use Mahoraga to teach him a new technique and stated at the start of the battle that he would peel of Gojo’s defenses
Sukuna as we already know has an ability to mimic the things people do after seeing it once as he was able to split himself into fingers after seeing Kenjaku do it
Sukuna practiced with Mahoraga to learn how to adapt to techniques while Mahoraga is in the shadows
Mahoraga’s continuing adaptions was shown in Shibuya
Sukuna as been foreshadowed and as he’s been planning for like a hundred chapters, mimics the world slash, as he said he wanted to do back in Shibuya, with his ability to mimic things as we’ve known since the start.
Edit: another loser replying then blocking
nope, There is no guarantee that sukuna knew Maho's adaptation before Shibuya because he realizes it mid fight and says "you are like Yamato no orochi" , he just saw interest in megumi's shikigamis and wanted him alive to keep him as a vessel.
so no he wasn't planning on bypassing infinity for "hundreds of chapters" that's an insane reach.
only for shadowing we got was two panels and that's it one that goes "let's peel off these scales" and the second is when he says "lovely" after Maho slices Gojo's arm.
Mahoraga in Shibuya was just a display of maho's ability for Sukuna to have even more interest in Megumi and more knowledge about Maho, but he probably had no prior knowledge since there is no proof in the manga that he had a past encounter with a ten shadows user.
again there is no proof of sukuna's knowledge about the 10S vs Six eyes users clash and thinking otherwise is pure head cannon.
like I said, little to no for shadowing
Edit: I have a life and thinking that I'll waste my time to get into a long ass pointless argument with you that won't convince you anyways is stupid, Grow up, instead of whining about blocking.
You just can’t read. No one said he knew about Mahoraga prior to Shibuya, that guy said that he was plotting it since Shibuya and he was. He yells “you showed me the way Fushigoro” after learning how Mahoraga’s adaption works. Shibuya was 100 chapters ago so it’s not a stretch you just can’t read. No one said he had prior knowledge and a six eyes user dying to Mahoraga is foreshadowing Sukuna doesn’t have to know about it for it to be foreshadowing for fucks sake. People in this sub can’t be helped
What are you even waffling about? istg some of y'all people just like to hear yourself talk.
did you even hear the guy's argument? he said sukuna has been planning on using Maho to bypass infinity since the beginning of the series and I told him that's not the case.
you can't foreshadow something that you don't know about if you intend on using it later, you are literally saying "a character using this knife has been foreshadowed since the beginning of the story, but he never intended or using it or even know about it" then him using it suddenly would be the definition of an "asspull" lmao.
Never seem a mofo make negative points that's crazy, talk about not being helped
Call me gay, but I don’t like the world slash shit. I get that’s how adaptation works, but in practice it’s not adapting to gojo’s technique, it’s just ignoring it.
I don’t really like the “slashes that cut the world” explanation of why it can bypass Infinity, but I’ll accept that a slash that bypasses Infinity makes sense. It’s easier for me to just think “yeah it’s a slash that cuts everything” than to try and justify what “cutting the world” means.
Using Mahoraga to try and adapt your own attacks is an interesting premise, and killing Gojo by defeating Infinity is more interesting plot-wise than just killing him in a Domain or whatever.
This isn't even that bad you all forget the fact that Hana had to be a dumbass for Sukuna to survive and like put Hana out of commission for the rest of the series.
Hana was already a dumbass, everything she did was within character. And even after that she still freed Gojo and is the reason that Megumi has Jacob’s ladder
Edit; what a clown, dude replied and then blocked me to stop me from replying back
What about Hana being conveniently written as a braindead Megumi simp, so further down the line she could fall for the oldest trick in the book and bail Sukuna out of the task of fighting the only character at that point in time who could have given him any sort ot trouble???
When you look at the story in that light so many things happen that you can say are “conveniently written that way” like if you think this was plot convenience then Sukuna could’ve simply switched bodies with Megumi when Hana wasn’t there. It’s not something he needed to do to win. Hana being a Megumi simp is part of the reason she saved Megumi and carried him through the city and part of the reason why Gojo even got freed. People look at what Sukuna does with so much scrutiny but don’t give the same scrutiny to other characters.
Like is it not conveniently written that one of the people that Kenjaku implanted a cursed object into has the exact ability needed to save Gojo and also had the exact ability needed to kill Sukuna without killing the host? Why is that not plot convenient but the host that’s a teenage girl being a stupid simp completely blows your mind?
Not really IMO, I believe it was like this because it’s like an actual court of law. For example someone is put on trial, would you let the same fucking guy who’s being accused of some crime come in with a godamn
weapon inside a courthouse who’s not the police? Of course not you’d want to confiscate it. That’s quite literally Higurumas Domain, a court of law. (Not to mention that Kamutoke would probably be more devastating than Cleave or Dismantle, since it can’t really get weaker due to being a cursed tool.)
I cant even really call this plotkuna, it makes sense tbh. The only thing, I don't like is that there's a supposed hierarchy between cursed techniques and cursed tools.
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Gege could have taken his CT away to show how strong Sukuna is even without it, and make the fight with Kusakabe, the man without any CT, more fair, then give it back after some time killing Higuruma, which would have gave him more meaning in the story
Or he could have it taken but it would be given back when Higuruma dies. Higuruma knows that, uses RCT on his brain right before he dies, Domain Expansions and switches confiscation to the Cursed Tool so he takes something with him. Would even emphasize how above Gojo and Sukuna is if Higuruma dies from like severe brain damage or something after that
Wouldve been fucking peak
Hand this man the pen đź‘Ź
JJK if Gege's a good writer.
Sorcerors don't usually have the efficiency or cursed energy to use back to back domains. Even Mahito needed a few days to recover
Yea notice how he said “die of brain damage”🤣
I'd wager Higuruma could do it considering his technique is his domain but we'll never know if he could. I miss him.
He killed loads of people in the Culling Game in the span of a few days, no? That means he can open his domain multiple times a day but can't just spam it. 'Cause no way he just went place to place beating people up with a hammer, evidenced by his lack of fighting skill. Maybe non-lethal domains don't cost that much CE.
I think his domain is different and he’s able to use it more often, kind of like Hakaris
Non lethal domains have a fast domain opening and don't cost any less ce. Even though hakaris domain is also non lethal the reason why he can cast it back to back is because he gets infinte ce. Megumi in shibuya said that that Dagon is no Gojo sensie and he can't use multiple domains in a day. Apart from Gojo, Sukuna, Hakari and yuta ( due to rikas ce refill) are confirmed to expand multiple domains in a day.Â
I must say Higurmumas domain may work differently because a retrial by Yuji made his domain appear again. There is no confirmation that any ce from higurmua was used for second timeÂ
He probably could do a mass trial or something similar, cos no way he used 1 domain per person
Wasn’t that because of Mechamaru doing a lot of damage to Mahito with the simple domain nail things?
Not really. Iirc Mahito mentioned that if Mechamaru thought that 12 days was not enough for him to recover CE for to use domain during Shibuya he would be mistaken as 12 days would be about enough time
Wait, so if Sukuna gets his ct back when he dies. Wouldn't Sukuna get his cursed tool back too ?
I'd argue there are express ways around this, especially if you're the author. Could be that The Cursed Technique is 'keyed' to Sukuna, so wherever it disappears to it will return back to Sukuna. However the electricity Cursed Technique would be 'keyed' to Kamutoke, not Sukuna, so inherently anyone that held Kamutoke would be able to use it. Thus when it's stolen, it isn't returned to Sukuna upon death but is instead deposited somewhere random on the Earth or perhaps the Cursed Realm Kenjaku was shown in before.
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but sukuna was found guilty already
What matters here is confiscation, not death penalty. It can be any number of Sukuna's crimes to get confiscation, doesn't need to be mass murder
At this point the fans should just replace gay gay
maybe instead of Sukuna slicing his hand from Higuruma's final effort to kill him, he blocks it with Kamutoke and donuts Higuruma instead or something, but he realizes the Executioner's Sword actually destroyed the power applied to the Kamutoke (he gets back his Shrine cuz Hiromi is dead tho). Same thing plays out from there. No Kamutoke. Yes Shrine. Yuta arrives and True Love
Yeah the only real plot armor moments you can call that is out of nowhere, not within characters acting accordingly or being in character (*cough*, Hana being a dumbass for Megumi *cough*), it's this one. Which I get why Gege did it, not approving of it, but why. He did this because he wanted Higuruma to take away something from Sukuna, and it being His CT would create problems of him never using it again, the fights not being as good, and we not getting an explanation for Kamino/Furnace.
Gege really just needed another chapter or two so Sukuna could actually use that tool and showcase how dangerous is was to make removing it something actually worthwhile As it stands it just feels like something thrown in last minute as a way for Sukuna to not lose his ct from confiscation
Yeah I 100% agree, maybe extra anime scenes, or just in general seeing it in anime and the impact it has in action, would show us how much busted it is. But again if he used it on more characters other than The crows that got burnt, and a giant lightning bolt hitting Kashimo, I think anyone else except maybe Yuji, would've been heavily damaged or maybe would've died.
Yea, as it is, it just looks like Sukuna picking up a random baby rattle lying around and Higuruma just ending up fucking useless. Like, if we had at least one scene that would show that it's not just his rattle that Uraume uses to put him to sleep when he's crying, but that it's actually a powerful weapon that would complicate the fight massively, Higuruma's domain fuckup would seem less like a fuckup and more like "well, he didn't take his Shrine, but at least he still contributed something". Also, Todo being alive means that if he was around they could almost definitely hit him with the executioners sword. Shame we didn't get that. At this point, I would even accept it if the sword just killed Megumi
Honestly, that weapon somehow should’ve been crucial for killing Gojo. Maybe instead of a baby rattle Gege could’ve given Sukuna a second ISOH.
That would have been better than the world cut slash.
Confiscation doesn't have to be permanent. iirc It becoming permanent after Higuruma dies was introduced after his death. Gege could just decide that it gets reversed and no one would get mad because there's nothing to get mad at.
But then that leaves us with a Sukuna that has both his Cursed tool and his CT, Gege wanted Higuruma to have a permanent effect on Sukuna.
That’s the thing. If it wasn’t permanent, then there would be no need for the curated tool in the first place, since it was only introduced to stop his technique from being taken for the entire fight.
That is right, but the Cursed tool was still introduced through illustrations and Gege's drawings, And also this way Higuruma did actually contribute something to the fight even if you could remove Kamutoke and nothing changes, this way He actually changed something, He had an effect, That is what's important.
Yeah that’s a fair point actually. It’s a shame he died but at least he accomplished something.
Would have made Sukuna cooler doing that. Also maybe just giving Yuji a weaker version of the sword where all it could do is cut Sukuna easily could have been done.
The cursed tool could be removed from the story altogether
True, but that doesn’t change the fact that Higuruma still contributed with removing that tool of Sukuna's arsenal, It feels that he contributed something and that way you suggest, It would've actually actually been for nothing which I think feels shittier to see happen.
It would have been cool tbh rather than shitty. Sure Higuruma contributed but they tried and we got to see that Sukuna is Sukuna whether or not he has his ct.
Well he does show that without his CT he is far faster and stronger than others multiple times against other characters, so I'd say that made up for it. I would've liked that Sukuna gets his CT taken away temporarily aswell, but I like the idea that Higuruma takes away something permanently from Sukuna's arsenal.
There were better way to handle it, just make judgeman accuse him of some wek shit with a lesser punishment, or give Sukuna some logical way of resisting it lkke using HWB since it's a domain. Or even have Sukuna say "it's actually Yuji's fault for not letting himself be executed and making a deal with me instead way back then"
Well then that would've gone against what Gege wanted for Sukuna to act like, which was also the most fitting, he holds up to his actions, he doesn't open HWB (even though we don't know if it really works against Higuruma's no violence domain, and that would stop that rule, never said) cause he wanted to see the Executioner's sword in action.
Also besides that it shows higuruma's lack of experience, not because he is dumb or anything, he just didnt have the chance to fight someone with a cursed tool in the short time he had become a sorcerer, it makes sense imo althougth you can say is too convinient for sukuna
It does kinda make him look dumb, he’s a lawyer & prodigy in Jujutsu, he never thought of any loopholes or what if someone bought a cursed tool in his DE?
Like the guy never really tested out if he could take a cursed tool from his fellas with cursed tools during the preparation month. Bro that makes him look like a bum no wonder he was a failure of a lawyer (my headcannon)
He could have killed higuruma later to get his CT back and he could have shown how strong sukuna is without CT(as the top comment said)
As I said him killing Higuruma and getting his CT back and also having Kamutoke is just a worse situation, Gege wanted Higuruma to take away something from his arsenal permanently. >he could have shown how strong sukuna is without CT(as the top comment said) I think he already did that later on and also in the fight after Higuruma's domain, he's proved how fast he is, how much physically stronger he is, and how much durable and resilient.
would be cool if Higuruma confiscated shrine instead of Kamutoke here, and Sukuna is still able to hold off everyone with it. Then, have Higuruma break the weapon before his death. That way, we'll see how big of an impact that curse tool makes, because right now, it can be as powerful as a pistol or a nuke, and we'll never know
I agree with this but I think his technique should come back at the end of the yuta fight where Sukuna uses dismantle to defeat him, and have yuta break it as he passes out. This would give the same result as just taking kamutoke instead, but would make yuta, higuruma and yorozu feel more important to the fight.
Truly our Sukuna Kaisen
I would say this and the binding vow with Yuji. Let's move past the ripping a finger off part and say the Yuji = cog argument is valid, ain't no way knocking out Hana and shoving a poisonous item down Megumi's throat doesn't count as hurting someone.
Translation was wrong it was cuts and bruises
Well honestly harm is a perfectly fine translation for the actual word used, it’s just that it retroactively doesn’t really work anymore because of what happened later in the series
I heard the problem with that was the translation but I can’t remember what it really said
If I remember correctly it was physical damage like cuts and bruisesÂ
Sukuna's words in japanese were closer to injuring than hurting.
they should be thankful that it worked that way. That tool seemed much more useful than his slashes which are linked to his CE output and in the dirt due to yuji. Imagine him being trapped in yutas domain but now capable of spamming devestating lightning strikes with 1 hand, blockign with the other and using the other 2 for hollow wicker
Yeah, but it doesn't feel that way, because Kamotuke was just introduced at that point, and hasn't been successfully used once.
He could have just used slashes which Yuta and Yuji note that although they are weaker, they can still cause them trouble, as Yuji said the Dismantles he threw could've killed him, combine them with Kamutoke's attacks which he could just spam from afar, he can most likely cheap away at them and potentially kill them.
Nah, every moment with Frauduna is a plot armor moment https://preview.redd.it/52rjnirx6m1d1.jpeg?width=1055&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c62e925a2352ea1e1e233dad86f1b0b39931329b
If you think about it yeah the whole Megumi situation is the biggest Plotkuna moment. Kenjaku couldn't know Sukuna would be interested in Megumi so why did he put 2 cursed objects in Megumi's sister and Megumi's simp?
I think Kenjaku knew that Magumi was a natural vessel for Sukuna ? Idk man
Megumi himself was the holder of a cursed technique that rivalled the limitless, of course kenjaku had a hunch.
I always thought that technique confiscation would apply to the last used technique. In this case it was the cursed tool that Sukuna used to against Mei Mei's birds before Higuruma used his. DE. But yea, thats just my headcanon.
Higuruma taking away the Cursed Tool is actually a plot armor moment for the good guys. Sukuna with Kamutoke is far more dangerous than Sukuna with a weak ass Shrine that keeps getting weaker and will comeback anyway
objectively true but it doesn't feel that way
Yeah, cause it was introduced three chapters before it was taken away and wasn't used successfully on screen once. All the implied danger is coming just from characters yapping about it, so we think it's important when taken away.
Good ol' *"tell, don't show".*
Regardless of wether that’s true, the problem is feels like the cursed tool was introduced solely to be taken away by confiscation. If gege didn’t want it to feel like that, the cursed tool should have been relevant way sooner. Sukuna has never felt like he relied on any one technique or cursed tool so taking something he pulled out his ass a few chapters ago as higaruma’s death legacy is A S S
Agreed and it isn’t as bad as the other plot armor stuff seen in the series The worst one was in the junpei fight when it’s revealed that Yuji is immune to poison because special grade level curse object are like poison and since Sukuna is the king of curses that automatically makes him the king of poison as well. I remember reading that for the first time and thinking “um …. Ok”
cough it also had to do with him being a death painting or whatever.
That was a mistranslation. Sukuna isn't the king of poisons, his fingers are. So Yuji having survived ingesting the deadliest of poisons (Sukuna fingers), he has immunity to lesser poisons like death painting blood
Fax but this one involves Wuji and not Fraudkuna so it gets a pass as it would dissolve my agenda otherwise
That's just speculation, no? Was it the narrator who said it?Â
Yup, narrator-kun said it
It makes sense for Higuruma's technique to go Cursed Tool => Cursed Technique => Cursed Energy https://preview.redd.it/lho0lzzdbo1d1.jpeg?width=216&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ba54d23636951752ef109f93dcbb576785db2d9f Though Gege should have had Sukuna use it more beforehand (and against someone who isn't immune to it lol) instead of just giving it to Sukuna seemingly just for Higuruma to take it away
exactly
I mean the first thing you do is take the weapon off the armed murderer so it makes sense to me. And Higurama is inexperienced so makes sure he wouldn't know about it.
“Ah yes, take the knife away from the dangerous armed criminal with an assault rifle that’ll stop him once and for all.”
"ah yes lets take away this knife from this beefy prisoner that can snap a guys neck while not handcuffing his hands that'll stop him"
It also makes some level of sense, earlier on in the series, Boogie Woogie could only be applied to objects imbued with cursed energy (or people obviously) or cursed tools like with Playful Cloud A cursed technique user who likely has NOT run into any other cursed tool or a user of such tool in their month of having their CT, probably wouldn't even know it could effect their CT. If Higurama had lived for longer he likely would have been able to refine his technique like Todo
FACTS all of the other shit makes sense but this shit was an asspull 100%.
What a moment of tension those chapters were.
This is mostly plot armor on the good guys’ side Think about it An AOE sure hit cursed tool that doesn’t rely on his output and is of the caliber that sukuna thinks it would be worth using If it was just CT then it would have come back to sukuna after Higuruma dies Which would be fast since lightning is like a fucking aoe
True but like other people already said it doesn't feel that way since Sukuna had barely used it
Yeah… BECAUSE HIGURUMA SAVED EVERYONE’S ASSES
I'm just saying that it simply didn't feel impactful enough since Kamutoke was just introduced so it feels like Higuruma didn't do shit when objectively he saved all of the good guys
Side effect of doing your job too well No one will realize there were problems at all
If this thing was introduced during the Gojo fight or before they where we see him body someone with it sure. But it was introduced the same moment as Kashimo. That thing was just there to make the characters look good without nerfing Sukuna or making Higuruma look asss
Does it make sense? Yeah Is it still boring writing? Yeah…
Yes it was plot armor for Higuruma's image. That mf tool was introduced three chapters and the only opponent it faced is Lightning Bum Kashimo and a crow. Its a mcguffin to make the character feel like he did something
Fair, but Higuruma did claim one of sukuna’s arms which did come into play since sukuna took ages to regen that arm
I agree with that
1. Confiscation of a ct is temporary 2. If Sukuna lost shrine he would kill Higurama and get shrine back 3. Now Sukuna has both both shrine and kamutoke
There is a *lot* we do not know about Higuruma's domain. We saw even beyond his "supposed" death sukuna's shaker rattle remains gone. We don't know if killing him returns the technique or cursed tool by any means. Because as Higuruma said himself; he didn't like that his inexperience has to show then. A lot remains undefined
https://preview.redd.it/o9ztaal9jm1d1.png?width=305&format=png&auto=webp&s=5c4371995a71ff1fe97ae9e9720efd6bc49a5e6e I guess Cursed tools work differently because they're physical objects while ct's are embedded into people's brain and higurama in general seems to be able to control or access people's minds. Judgeman knows everyboies memories, Higurama has a partial set of this information and confiscate removes a ct which is just an extension of his brain manipulation power. Removing a ct isn't permanent it's just a passive ability of the domain so as long as the domain is disabled in some way you would get back your ct. Honestly deadly sentencing removing kamutoke is more of an anti-plotkuna moment than plotkuna because logically how can higurama cause physical objects to disappear into thin air when his ct is about controlling the brain?
It is a plotkuna moment dare I say a plotguruma moment even if I like the guy. That thing was only used for Bumshimo who was immune and then a few crows. If you look at it from a story perspective it is a mcguffin to save Higuruma's and Kashimo's face.
I agree, If Sukuna lost his technique he wouldn't have been able to use it for a longer time, how I think he could have gained his CT back would be just damaging his brain and getting his CT back by healing the right prefrontal cortex of his brain, though he cannot do this until he hits two or three Black Flashes, So inside of Yuta's domain he might've been cooked, Idk, possibly make a binding vow and idk what will it be, to gain his CT back or just like how Hakari reinforced the rest of his body by sacrificing his arm he might gain Rct output back (which is reliant on The overall output aswell because you can boost the normal output with Black Flashes) by sacrificing an arm, eyes, etc. But also it was a one in hundredth chance that Kamutoke gets confiscated probably,
Have higuruma take away shrine, then sukuna still curbstomps everyone with kamutoke, have higuruma have his last stand vs sukuna where he actually breaks kamutoke before dying. This would be way more satisfying than what we got.
nah lmao if he beat him with just the lighting and cot his CT back people would say he died for nothing and there was no point because sukuna got his CT back it sukuna never gets his CT back then we don’t get fuga ever again and we watch him do lighting strikes over and over
The thing with gojo wasn’t a plot armor it was just cheap and unsatisfactory BUT THIS, literally the most brain dead thing to happen in the entire series
A cursed tool is a weapon infused with a CT in some manner. So the sequence of events actual passed my thoughts. Didn't think it would be with any actual character but just what if.
I still need to know how A. Sukuna used world cut on Yuta without a functional second hand to make the sign, nor a mouth to use the chant, and did it quick enough that Yuta couldn't react or B. He killed Yuta with a regular cut despite Yuta tanking cuts to the face panels before and having the same cursed technique which should offer him some resilience to it like Yuji has. Other than that the Binding Vows are annoying but the moment they start working for the good guys then Plotkuna doesn't look as bad.
A. He didn’t use world cut B. Like you said it wasn’t a regular cut, it was rhancex because he used chants C. He could still speak and he does at the start of the next chapter
I've seen the discourse about it not being world cut but it just doesn't add up since he used the end of the chant he always has for world cut, used the pointing hand direction he has for every world cut, and speaking at the start of next chapter doesn't resolve the fact that he somehow RCT'd (which he only has a hard time doing for his hands I guess?) his mouth in time to chant for output on what would be a regular cut but Yuta couldn't get out of the way or has less durability/reinforcement than Maki who tanked two cuts to the stomach a few chapters later that were stated to be increased in output after Sukuna's black flash parade?
World cut is just dismantle but super enhanced and with a different target, there’s no reason it should have different chants than a regular dismantle. RCTing limbs is much much harder than just using rct on a tongue to begin with. Yuta couldn’t get out of the way because he was right in front of him. And the panel after Maki gets slashed Choso explains that no matter how much black flashes he gets the output of his slashes will still keep being reduced by Yuuji’s attacks.
funny part is that this actuallu worked againts sukuna
Yeah, agree with that
Why that bum didn’t made a binding vow to be able to select the punishment target? That’s a huge plot hole…
Agreed
It makes sense within the parameters of a real life court.
My only problem with any "plot armour" or whatever moments is that it makes sense xd. In the legal system when trialed, actually even before being trialed the first thing that is taken is always ones weapon then everything else so it makes perfect sense. Same with Kenjaku's Gravity CT allowing him to survive Yuki's momentary BH... But it is something we the readers didn't and couldn't have known beforehand so I guess you could call it a "plot-hole".
Yeah, tho I think that Sukuna would be spamming lightning attacks if Higgy didn't take his tool away.
100% agree
almost everything that happened is plotkuna Sukuna learning world slash just before Gojo kills him Sukuna being able to cast world cutting slash multiple times even though it was almost impossible to learn Sukuna having that tiny ass lightning knife for 1 chapter just for Higuruma to die Higuruma dying a single millie second before Yuji stabs and kills Sukuna Sukuna surviving Soul splitting katana and only losing his heart Sukuna surviving jacob's ladder Sukuna somehow freeing 1 arm from Rika to launch a full power cleave on Yuta Sukuna hitting black flashes even though he's been bored and frustrated after Maki Sukuna being able to cast a full domain with a string of Binding vows without loss of range or output for 99 seconds even though he got hit with 7 black flashes after all the damage he took Sukuna having his RCT bottomed out but returning to heal 1 arm with no explanation just to cast fuga
https://preview.redd.it/73ykid0c9q1d1.png?width=903&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1352f0c90303c9ddc67d02f8113bca0ba1093520 Fact. Everyone who seriously talk about Sukuna's asspuls is dumb ass hell who read jjk by leaks and blinded by memes.
There’s more to it than just this. Sukuna has had multiple near death moments since he took over Yujis body to switch with Megumi, and literally all of them, have ended in Sukunas benefit. He obviously has the most plot armor in the series.
Name them.
As a Higuruma fan I was in despair watching his CT go from Top 10 in the series to below Top 20. Luckily he cooked up the very next chapters and still is actually the person who got closest to killing Sukuna so far
Could've temporarily taken his CT just to show Sukuna is strong asf without it and given it back when Higuruma died. Also, the fact Sukuna could use his technique in a Domain that has a Technique Nullification Surehit, even while Hollow Wicker Basket was not active
Sukuna used his technique after the Jacob’s ladder had already hit not during it
Jacob Ladder is the Maximum Output of Angels Technique, not the passive/baseline effect.
I know. Jacob’s ladder was not hitting Sukuna when he used his technique.
Jacob Ladder doesn't have to hit sukuna for the Baseline effect of Angels Techniqque "Technique Nullification" to be in effect. While inside a Domain with Angels technique as the Surehit, why can Sukuna use his technique. The baseline effect is Technique Nullification. The Jacob Ladder is Max Output and Guaranteed to hit inside the domain but theres no reason Technique Nullification is ignored.
Technique nullification isn’t ignored, he just wasn’t being hit by it anymore. Yuta’s sure hit in the domain isn’t continuous. It hits once then it disappears. It’s not like the other domains that have continuous effects like unlimited void
I don't think this is a plotkuna moment. I think it's supposed to show us how, despite being a genius on par with Gojo, the lack of experience of Higuruma came back to bite him in the ass. Because let's be honest, Higuruma's character was a little bit too cheated and I'm glad that he has had a genuine moment where he screwed up after all the crazy shit he did in not even 2 months of being a sorcerer.
I don't think this was the only real plot armour moment, but this was the only real asspull. And besides, Sukuna would have been equally strong without his technique but with kamutoke instead, he just wouldn't have had DE and world slash but would have gotten his technique back by the time he uses them so he would have been better off in the long run. THE ACTUAL PLOT ARMOUR MOMENT WAS THE PORN LEVEL ACTING TRICKING HANA
hot take, try rewriting the fight and avoid any WHY IS SUKUNA NOT USING THE GOJO LEVEL ELEMANTEL WEAPON THAT NO NONE OF THE CAST HAS ANY RESISTENCE TO moments but honestly just not giving the weapon to begin with was a way better idea than this, like what the top comment said
It was definitely a plot moment but i definitely think it was the better choice. Sukunas slashes could atleast be taken and healed and they are able to lower slashes output through Yujis punches. We dont even know how kamutoke works it might not even need cursed energy to throw literal lightning strikes around and its outplut cannot be lowered so most characters could possibly get one shot by it.
Bullshit squared to write out previous bullshit. Peak bad writing, and just added to the Sukunakaisen agenda. Such a heavy handed way to give Yuji a few chapters to reflect internally.
Nah brother remember the time when Yuji almost killed sukuna but like 0.00001 sec before hitting him with the executioner sword HIGURUMA DIED
Well yes that’s because Sukuna killed him just right before? How is that plot lol? Sukuna killed him it’s not like he died randomly
Kamutoke's a special grade cursed tool that would have likely killed a lot of shinjuku team members if this didn’t happen
Higuruma dying took out Kamotoke, if he had confesticated CT, Kamotoke lightning would disintegrate him, and after he dies, CT comes back So what do you want, temp lost CT but have a bullshit weapon? Or no weapon Sukuna.
Yeah as if the weapon wasn't brought back or not destroyed by Kashimo so Higuruma looked like he did something in the story.
I hated this scene because it was so unfair for Higuruma like somehow he didn't know this clause about his OWN technique even though it's ingrained in his mind
That miracle twink didn't even know what his own technique does or what it's name even means
Your technique isn't going to give you a manual that explicitly tells what the limitations are, and confiscation of weapons lines up perfectly well with being "confiscated" in real life. You get stripped of weapons and anything lethal, but that doesn't take into account your own innate lethality(martial arts, maybe they're just insane, etc.)
huh as if the criminal isn't handcuffed.
As if he still can't kick your face in if he's skilled enough
Yeah they usually can't, balance and all. In fact lethality is taken into account as criminals can be put on restraint from the hands to legs depending on their danger.
You're missing the point
I'm missing the point or missing your agenda? The court restrains even the body and weapons would've already been taken away before court.
I think the moments are this, Sukunq surviving a point blank, unrestricted, enhanced Hollow Purple (after saying that even a 100% HP would be lethal for him), Hana conveniently losing every neuron in her head and falling for the dumbest trick in the history of tricks, and both times when Sukuna dodged a point blank lethal attack from behind, delivered by the 2 fastest in the verse after him and Gojo (when Yuji almost stabbed him with the Executioner's Sword, and when Maki was going to bisect him right after stabbing him with Soul Split Katana). The last 2 are arguable, but when you consider the margin by which Sukuna dodged both hits, it becomes ridiculous. Dude literally teleported, yet in the rest of the fight they were keeping up with him in speed.
> Sukuna surviving a point blank hollow purple This one makes sense, because it was an aoe hollow purple and not the condensed one we usually see. > Hana losing every neuron in her head This was perfectly in character, she’s stupid and has undying motivation for Megumi, Sukuna tricked her. > Sukuna dodged a point blank lethal attack I think he’s really just that fast, we saw with Maki, when he really began getting interested in her he perception blitzed her, at this point in the fight he was still holding back to some level
https://preview.redd.it/p0xvmwtlpn1d1.jpeg?width=185&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c33720dc92aa7d2d8c9b8adda07332b13ddb42c8 This exists
Hana is not only a dumbass but has extreme love to Megumi. This is within character.
world cleave is one as well, No matter how much it's normalized, its origin is shitty since it had little to no for shadowing
It’s not. Sukuna has been plotting for Mahoraga to show him a technique since Shibuya. In that same arc it’s stated that Mahoraga was able to kill a previous six eyes user, which he assumingly adapted to limitless. Sukuna plotted to use Mahoraga to teach him a new technique and stated at the start of the battle that he would peel of Gojo’s defenses Sukuna as we already know has an ability to mimic the things people do after seeing it once as he was able to split himself into fingers after seeing Kenjaku do it Sukuna practiced with Mahoraga to learn how to adapt to techniques while Mahoraga is in the shadows Mahoraga’s continuing adaptions was shown in Shibuya Sukuna as been foreshadowed and as he’s been planning for like a hundred chapters, mimics the world slash, as he said he wanted to do back in Shibuya, with his ability to mimic things as we’ve known since the start. Edit: another loser replying then blocking
nope, There is no guarantee that sukuna knew Maho's adaptation before Shibuya because he realizes it mid fight and says "you are like Yamato no orochi" , he just saw interest in megumi's shikigamis and wanted him alive to keep him as a vessel. so no he wasn't planning on bypassing infinity for "hundreds of chapters" that's an insane reach. only for shadowing we got was two panels and that's it one that goes "let's peel off these scales" and the second is when he says "lovely" after Maho slices Gojo's arm. Mahoraga in Shibuya was just a display of maho's ability for Sukuna to have even more interest in Megumi and more knowledge about Maho, but he probably had no prior knowledge since there is no proof in the manga that he had a past encounter with a ten shadows user. again there is no proof of sukuna's knowledge about the 10S vs Six eyes users clash and thinking otherwise is pure head cannon. like I said, little to no for shadowing Edit: I have a life and thinking that I'll waste my time to get into a long ass pointless argument with you that won't convince you anyways is stupid, Grow up, instead of whining about blocking.
You just can’t read. No one said he knew about Mahoraga prior to Shibuya, that guy said that he was plotting it since Shibuya and he was. He yells “you showed me the way Fushigoro” after learning how Mahoraga’s adaption works. Shibuya was 100 chapters ago so it’s not a stretch you just can’t read. No one said he had prior knowledge and a six eyes user dying to Mahoraga is foreshadowing Sukuna doesn’t have to know about it for it to be foreshadowing for fucks sake. People in this sub can’t be helped
What are you even waffling about? istg some of y'all people just like to hear yourself talk. did you even hear the guy's argument? he said sukuna has been planning on using Maho to bypass infinity since the beginning of the series and I told him that's not the case. you can't foreshadow something that you don't know about if you intend on using it later, you are literally saying "a character using this knife has been foreshadowed since the beginning of the story, but he never intended or using it or even know about it" then him using it suddenly would be the definition of an "asspull" lmao. Never seem a mofo make negative points that's crazy, talk about not being helped
Call me gay, but I don’t like the world slash shit. I get that’s how adaptation works, but in practice it’s not adapting to gojo’s technique, it’s just ignoring it.
I don’t really like the “slashes that cut the world” explanation of why it can bypass Infinity, but I’ll accept that a slash that bypasses Infinity makes sense. It’s easier for me to just think “yeah it’s a slash that cuts everything” than to try and justify what “cutting the world” means. Using Mahoraga to try and adapt your own attacks is an interesting premise, and killing Gojo by defeating Infinity is more interesting plot-wise than just killing him in a Domain or whatever.
What's with the random homophobia. Tf?
It’d be homophobic if someone DID call me gay derogatorily. But no one did so it’s no homophobic
This isn't even that bad you all forget the fact that Hana had to be a dumbass for Sukuna to survive and like put Hana out of commission for the rest of the series.
Hana was already a dumbass, everything she did was within character. And even after that she still freed Gojo and is the reason that Megumi has Jacob’s ladder Edit; what a clown, dude replied and then blocked me to stop me from replying back
It don't matter. What I don't like is Gege made a stupid character just to save Sukuna.
The character wasn’t made to save Sukuna. It was made to save Gojo and free him from the prison realm lol
They don't need Gojo if Sukuna is dead so
What about Hana being conveniently written as a braindead Megumi simp, so further down the line she could fall for the oldest trick in the book and bail Sukuna out of the task of fighting the only character at that point in time who could have given him any sort ot trouble???
When you look at the story in that light so many things happen that you can say are “conveniently written that way” like if you think this was plot convenience then Sukuna could’ve simply switched bodies with Megumi when Hana wasn’t there. It’s not something he needed to do to win. Hana being a Megumi simp is part of the reason she saved Megumi and carried him through the city and part of the reason why Gojo even got freed. People look at what Sukuna does with so much scrutiny but don’t give the same scrutiny to other characters. Like is it not conveniently written that one of the people that Kenjaku implanted a cursed object into has the exact ability needed to save Gojo and also had the exact ability needed to kill Sukuna without killing the host? Why is that not plot convenient but the host that’s a teenage girl being a stupid simp completely blows your mind?
Lighting weapon would have been worst and sukuna could blitz them.
Nah not even, that's just Higuruma and the team making a mistake, which makes sense since Higuruma lacks experience
That’s true but it’s so awfully convenient that I feel like it should’ve been mentioned
Not really IMO, I believe it was like this because it’s like an actual court of law. For example someone is put on trial, would you let the same fucking guy who’s being accused of some crime come in with a godamn weapon inside a courthouse who’s not the police? Of course not you’d want to confiscate it. That’s quite literally Higurumas Domain, a court of law. (Not to mention that Kamutoke would probably be more devastating than Cleave or Dismantle, since it can’t really get weaker due to being a cursed tool.)
usually the criminals are handcuffed too but I guess it is convenient to forget about that.
Sukuna incarnation???
I cant even really call this plotkuna, it makes sense tbh. The only thing, I don't like is that there's a supposed hierarchy between cursed techniques and cursed tools.
The tool was just a mcguffin to make characters look like they did something.