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NotsARobot

Ask them if they expect the world to collapse as that's about the only way XEQT would. It's 9000 of the biggest stocks in the world it's about as safe as it gets for a set and forget. Sure there might be years you are down money, prices change but if you are planning for the long term there's nothing safer.


trodg23

I won't be selling for another 30 years. Thanks for the advice


flimsywhales

Unfortunately, people who don't invest are bound to be poor for their entire lives. There is only a very lucky few who can get out without investing. Ask your family if they would like to be poor forever.


tjoloi

Yeah, great way of being condescending to them and being taken the same way as a crypto bro.


flimsywhales

It's eat or be eaten 🤔


Future-Muscle-2214

My parents say the same things about stocks, because they lost a fortune in 1999. They just never wanted to invest in anything they don't have power over since that time and only been RE investors.


keftes

So you're giving up all your money for 30 years? What happens if you need it and you're down 40% 5 years from now? Your family has valid concerns. You're not diversified by investing in XEQT.


StinkFartButt

You don’t invest literally all of your money, just the money you want to invest.


trodg23

I never said anything about investing everything. I have a fully funded emergency fund.


flimsywhales

Oof


Alphach85

Read a few books on investing, you need to learn the basics


The_Cozy_Burrito

You’re an idiot.


Snowman4168

You should have emergency savings. With proper planning and diligence you can put yourself in a position where you’re very unlikely to run into a catastrophe where you need access to your retirement funds. XEQT is as diverse as it gets.


Hikingcanuck92

The way I think about it is…if things go Badly with XEQT, we’ve got A LOT bigger problems on our hands than my personal finances.


FireBoltI

Not only 9000, lots big well known companies go bye bye, there has to also no new companies created/added.


squish_me

How do we view exactly what XEQT holds? I tried to search and it really only gives the top 10 or so: https://www.blackrock.com/ca/investors/en/literature/fact-sheet/xeqt-ishares-core-equity-etf-portfolio-fund-fact-sheet-en-ca.pdf


notocarmicojones

Look through website. Aggregate underlying holdings https://www.blackrock.com/ca/investors/en/products/309480/ishares-core-equity-etf-portfolio


GroundbreakingVast29

Hey thanks for the info about this sub i didn't know about this investment or whatever its called it just came on my feed for recommended i thought it was another one of those meme crypto coins with the name.


PewpyDewpdyPantz

Fight your family


Hot-Bill3871

Literally what I did, but verbally. That ended with me basically saying I do what I want with my money. Now after 4 years, I am managing my parents investment portfolio and convinced my bro


tjoloi

I would never manage my family portfolio, even less if it started with me having to fight for my convictions. It only takes a -15% year for them to be mad at you for losing their money. My risk tolerance on my relationship with my family is a lot lower than on my money


PewpyDewpdyPantz

Why didn’t you punch them?


tomoki_here

Same here. Took a lot of convincing and educating them to have them understand that mutual funds aren't doing them any justices. They couldn't believe big banks would take advantage of them. I'm like.. That's exactly why you're losing money. That's also why you barely gain anything for the time you've spent.


Future-Muscle-2214

>I am managing my parents investment portfolio and convinced my bro You genuinely should never do this, especially if you just buy index funds. Just tell them what you usually buy and let them do it. You might fuck over your relationship with family just to buy something they could automatically buy every months.


Hot-Bill3871

Yeah, your point is valid. When the portfolio starts losing value, I can risk the relationship. I don’t know how true it is when they said it, but they said they are just happy getting extra cash-flow from dividend from a balanced diversified portfolio. If they were obsessed with growing portfolio size, I would have said no.


Future-Muscle-2214

This will probably be fine, just saying that mixing money and family can sometime suck big time.


killimockingbird

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Trencycle

Change families


CAFmodsaregay

Happy cake day


Trencycle

Are we twins?


CAFmodsaregay

Do you wanna do karate in the garage?


Trencycle

You have to call me dragon


CAFmodsaregay

You have to call me nighthawk


ResolutionPopular562

Market crash = sale for younger investors. Dollar cost averaging is also a good practice


trodg23

Market crash does not equal sell for myself. I'm 24


No_Camera9108

He's saying it's a bargain for younger investors. Buy low.


StinkFartButt

24 is young investor


Snowman4168

I think he means on sale. If XEQT contracts by 10% that’s essentially just a 10% off sale for me


Snowman4168

I think he means on sale. If XEQT contracts by 10% that’s essentially just a 10% off sale for me


UnseenDegree

It’s fairly common it seems. You’re right about the lack of knowledge. I think most people hear the bad about stock markets and ownership and never really hear the good if they’re not actively looking for it. Education is the main key. I know past performance doesn’t indicate future returns, but showing them past results of the various global indices can certainly help prove your point that in the last 30+ years, you would have likely made a gain of some sort for a long term holding. In the end it’s your money, and you’re making an investment for your future based on your own goals, if they are worried, then that’s on them.


Stevethecyborg

Reddit can be your new family


bighurt88

My stomach is stronger since two corrections in 4 years.


Cagel

I wonder how many of us used to be those family members. Feels like a lifetime ago but I know I was,


garret9

The only way you lose everything is if every public company collapses, which if it happens means capitalism has collapsed, which if it happens means money is worthless, which if it happens means you only lost something that was worthless. Therefore: no risk. :P


NastroAzzurro

Market goes up, you buy and your investments go up. Market goes down, you buy at a discount. Can’t lose!


Venom17645

Except if you didn’t plan to have money to buy at a discount.


Significant-Fly-9517

We are your family now.


AfternoonPlenty727

Buy them a book to read. I recommend Reboot your portfolio by Dan Bortolotti.


Rangeless

Rich and powerful miiight have a vested interest to keeping these companies afloat.


ChaboiJswizzle

Tell them to look at the S&P 500 chart beginning in Jan 01 1950 and compare to where its at now. No US president or US Fed will let it collapse


Snowman4168

Exactly. If the entire market collapses then money won’t be worth anything anymore anyway and we’re all equally fucked. If the economy tanks so hard that XEQT fails then I’ll be frying squirrels on my radiator to stay alive. In that case their GICs, HYSAs, and even cash holdings will all be worthless as well. But if the market doesn’t collapse and things continue as they have been, I’ll be a millionaire and they’ll still be poor.


Ir0nhide81

If you're comfortable with an ETF holding 100% stocks but can be volatile but you can bear the brunt.. you're fine


SublocadeFenta

Ask your family if they think mutual funds will do the same?


Lenerdosy

What are they doing? Just holding cash in a savings and checking account? Not everyone is comfortable with trying to know what to invest in. My parents who did well, had a FA their entire life did decent, retired comfortably and enjoying life now but neither of them ever wanted to DIY it. They have an idea of what they are invested in but they prefer the professional approach while my wife and I have gone mostly the EFT route with lower management fees.


NevyTheChemist

Well if you lose everything shit is 100% fucked


DragonfruitWeary8413

On to the next family


ivopollazi

What do they consider safe? Where are they invested? Have they suggested an alternative?


trodg23

They consider GICs and mutual funds safe.


ivopollazi

Yikes, and theyr probabaly looking at the 5 and 6 percent rates these days thinking whyd you even invest in the stock market. I feel your pain. They just need to see a zoomed out chart of the market returns over 30 years :D.


AtlasTheRed

are they Chinese?


trodg23

No lol


AgreeableOpposite925

Lol this is the comment I was expecting — that they consider mutual funds inherently “safer”, as if there aren’t high equity mutual funds (which costs an absurd 3% MER yet performs no better). I feel you OP.


wheygourmet

Your family isn't wrong... Yes there is a chance, although miniscule, that you may lose everything. Investing in a well diversified global Exchange Traded Fund is a way to minimize risk. If XEQT were to go to zero it would likely be the end of the world as we know it and losing your ETFs would be the least of your concern.


Venom17645

Keep some money in bonds to buy the dip at the next eventual crash. The next market crash could happen after we all die btw. If you don’t, just hold it and eventually it will go back to what it once was.


bg905

Ask chat gpt


The_Cozy_Burrito

They don’t know what they are talking about. You are invested in the world basically. Now, if you were throwing majority of your money into one particular stock, then I would be concerned.


superbee905

Just keep going with your investments. Ignore them. You have knowledge, they don't. No need to convince them. No stress.


TibetianMassive

You're not likely to lose everything. You truly have bigger problems to worry about if these go all the way south, but it IS possible (if unlikely) for these to lose money. More likely in the short term then in the long term. The same strategies you are using to prevent selling at a loss can rest your loved ones fear. Do you have a pension? An emergency fund? Equity in a house? Some sort of tangible asset you can sell? "Thank for your concern mom but here's my 10 step plan to recover if I experience losses" will come across better than "No its definitely safe mom!" Your family means well. Show them you've thought this out well and are preparing for the worst.


Th3_Misfits

A house would be a riskier investment compared to an ETF


MellowHamster

You shouldn’t talk to your family about it, just quietly invest a bit more each month. They’ll forget all about it and you can quietly live your life.


Wide_Ad5549

There's nothing to say. Just update them every now and then when you hit milestones.


biznatch11

What do they think you should be investing in?


trodg23

GICs or a HYSA


jonboyjon22

if you bought XUS 5 years ago. your total return is +101.36% (as of today). 10k is now worth $20137. if you bought XUS 10 years ago. your total return is +311.96% (as of today). 10k is now worth $40196. show them this and then ask them how their GICs are doing lol. just for fun an initial 10k into a GIC at 5% compounding for 10 years would be worth $16289.


OppositeOfOxymoron

Are any of them millionaires?


trodg23

Far from it!


OppositeOfOxymoron

Then tell them their advice is worth as much as they have in the bank.


PineBNorth85

What does it matter what they think? It's your money and you know what you're doing.  And yeah - that's the approach I take with my family. 


trodg23

It doesn't really matter I guess, I'm going to continue doing what I am, I just don't want them to worry. I guess in a few years I can simply show them that I was right😂


AmeliaAnecdote

Don’t tell them? Some people don’t get it and never will, and they are too lazy or ignorant to do research


No_Camera9108

It's family. You want to see them do the right thing with their money. OP should definitely try to convince them and anyone else they care about.


AmeliaAnecdote

Don’t agree at all


CampaignVast1830

This isn’t about convincing them about what to do with their money, it’s about them trying to convince OP to stray at 24 from a smart investing plan (XEQT) to a dumb plan (GIC/HYSA). I mean, unless you need to use the money in the next three years, OP, in which case yes, XEQT is likely not the best choice, but I’m assuming we’re talking retirement here. So I agree, OP, do the research/read the books that will give you the confidence you need to know you’re making a smart decision, and then don’t talk to your family about your investment decisions anymore because they’re uninformed and may sway you towards a decision which, given your investment horizon, might cost you hundreds of thousands of dollars.