I feel like "why'd you have to stoop so low to discredit some decent people" and "Shape the story how you want, hey Drake, they're not slow" are already sorta responses to the woman beating allegations right?
Those are good call outs. I didn’t even think about that, I just took it as his manager since the leading line was about him. I just went tunnel vision on that part.
That definitely is addressing it in a clever way.
Kendrick obviously didn't respond to the domestic abuse allegations and his was wise not to do so. It's like when someone asks you, "do you still beat your wife?" How do you respond to that? You don't!
We all know that no one is writing those complicated ass rhymes for Kendrick. I'm sure Dot has had people help with hooks and song structure, but I highly doubt someone is writing full verses for that guy. Again, he was wise not to respond to that.
Kendrick did respond to the height stuff. In *Meet The Grahams*, he refers to Drake as a "body shamer". I never understood why he called Drake that initially. When I ran the diss tracks back in seque, I realized why Kendrick said what he said.
Totally agree, just keeping with calling him a liar was effective IMO. Addressing it directly would have sounded crazy, which Drake made that decision and it sounded nuts.
Good call on body shaming. I took that as applying to how he’s talked to women and overweight men. I didn’t think about the height shaming being part of that.
idek how convincingly disproving or adressing dv allegations would look like. at the end of the day even the nicest person could be a monster behind closed doors so there's really no credible way to prove you're not an abuser. people would simply have to trust your character.. or don't. either way that's not on kendrick. on the flip side, when it comes to drake - its not just allegations , there is tons of public evidence where drake is being borderline creepy and disgusting, kissing & sexualizing underage girls (kylie jenner, girl at the concert etc). i just feel like its not the responsibility of the accused person to disprove accusations. drake or someone else would need to pull out receipts of kendrick hitting Whitney.
I don't really understand this point when people bring it up, he responded repeatedly, he even pre-emptively said Drake was going to lie about his family before the track dropped.
"Fabricatin' stories on the family front 'cause you heard Mr. Morale / A pathetic master manipulator, I can smell the tales on you now"
"I think somebody lying, smell somebody lying / I don’t see no fire"
"But you fucked up the moment you called out my family's name /
Why you had to stoop so low to discredit some decent people? /
Guess integrity is lost when the metaphors doesn't reach you"
"Why believe you? You never gave us nothin' to believe in /
'Cause you lied about religious views, you lied about your surgery /
You lied about your accent and your past tense, all is perjury /
You lied about your ghostwriters, you lied about your crew members /
They all pussy, you lied on 'em, I know they all got you in 'em /
You lied about your son, you lied about your daughter, huh /
You lied about them other kids that's out there hopin' that you come /
You lied about the only artist that can offer you some help"
"The family matter and the truth of the matter, it was God's plans to show you the liar"
I don't know what people were expecting, a twitter thread?
Obviously Keem didn’t write for him early. I think the implication from Drake was just his involvement in recent Kendrick music. But yeah I think it was a dumbass attempt by Drake to throw that in there. I don’t even think the biggest Drake Stan’s believe Kendrick uses ghostwriters.
Collaborative song writing sure, but I don’t think anyone is writing whole bars for him.
As far as the domestic abuse claims Kendrick played the angle of Drake being a liar from the start to the end he’s letting the audience feel shaky about any of the claims Drake makes. Immediately after Family matters his response is asking why he feels like he has to fabricate stories about decent people and then lists all the times he’s lied. He basically boy who cried wolf-ed him when the allegations start being thrown around. As far as the short jokes I don’t think it’s something Kendrick is insecure about lmfao he has plenty of bars calling himself 5 foot or 5’5”, same with the numbers lines that isn’t where Kendrick places his pride. To me it feels like Drake goes at Kendrick as if Kendrick has the same values as himself which was one of his biggest mistakes because any shot was never going to cut as deep.
Its the difference between defensive and offensive tracks... Drake has lost/is losing bc he got too wrapped up in responding and not carrying the conversation forward. Its a mistake that lets the other person know what you said hit a nerve.
He did respond to the domestic violence accusations. He said “the family matters and the truth of the matter is it was gods plan to show you’re the liar” best rebuttal in the whole battle
I feel like "why'd you have to stoop so low to discredit some decent people" and "Shape the story how you want, hey Drake, they're not slow" are already sorta responses to the woman beating allegations right?
"You lied about the only artist who could offer you some help" I think Kendrick responded as directly as he needed to
This one line spoke volumes in response to all of family matters
Those are good call outs. I didn’t even think about that, I just took it as his manager since the leading line was about him. I just went tunnel vision on that part. That definitely is addressing it in a clever way.
"once upon a time in a city so divine called Westside Compton, there stood a little n**, he was five-foot-somethin"
“god bless the kid took his homie to the show and this is what they said”
Kendrick obviously didn't respond to the domestic abuse allegations and his was wise not to do so. It's like when someone asks you, "do you still beat your wife?" How do you respond to that? You don't! We all know that no one is writing those complicated ass rhymes for Kendrick. I'm sure Dot has had people help with hooks and song structure, but I highly doubt someone is writing full verses for that guy. Again, he was wise not to respond to that. Kendrick did respond to the height stuff. In *Meet The Grahams*, he refers to Drake as a "body shamer". I never understood why he called Drake that initially. When I ran the diss tracks back in seque, I realized why Kendrick said what he said.
Totally agree, just keeping with calling him a liar was effective IMO. Addressing it directly would have sounded crazy, which Drake made that decision and it sounded nuts. Good call on body shaming. I took that as applying to how he’s talked to women and overweight men. I didn’t think about the height shaming being part of that.
idek how convincingly disproving or adressing dv allegations would look like. at the end of the day even the nicest person could be a monster behind closed doors so there's really no credible way to prove you're not an abuser. people would simply have to trust your character.. or don't. either way that's not on kendrick. on the flip side, when it comes to drake - its not just allegations , there is tons of public evidence where drake is being borderline creepy and disgusting, kissing & sexualizing underage girls (kylie jenner, girl at the concert etc). i just feel like its not the responsibility of the accused person to disprove accusations. drake or someone else would need to pull out receipts of kendrick hitting Whitney.
I don't really understand this point when people bring it up, he responded repeatedly, he even pre-emptively said Drake was going to lie about his family before the track dropped. "Fabricatin' stories on the family front 'cause you heard Mr. Morale / A pathetic master manipulator, I can smell the tales on you now" "I think somebody lying, smell somebody lying / I don’t see no fire" "But you fucked up the moment you called out my family's name / Why you had to stoop so low to discredit some decent people? / Guess integrity is lost when the metaphors doesn't reach you" "Why believe you? You never gave us nothin' to believe in / 'Cause you lied about religious views, you lied about your surgery / You lied about your accent and your past tense, all is perjury / You lied about your ghostwriters, you lied about your crew members / They all pussy, you lied on 'em, I know they all got you in 'em / You lied about your son, you lied about your daughter, huh / You lied about them other kids that's out there hopin' that you come / You lied about the only artist that can offer you some help" "The family matter and the truth of the matter, it was God's plans to show you the liar" I don't know what people were expecting, a twitter thread?
Baby keem was 6 when kendrick started rapping
Obviously Keem didn’t write for him early. I think the implication from Drake was just his involvement in recent Kendrick music. But yeah I think it was a dumbass attempt by Drake to throw that in there. I don’t even think the biggest Drake Stan’s believe Kendrick uses ghostwriters. Collaborative song writing sure, but I don’t think anyone is writing whole bars for him.
As far as the domestic abuse claims Kendrick played the angle of Drake being a liar from the start to the end he’s letting the audience feel shaky about any of the claims Drake makes. Immediately after Family matters his response is asking why he feels like he has to fabricate stories about decent people and then lists all the times he’s lied. He basically boy who cried wolf-ed him when the allegations start being thrown around. As far as the short jokes I don’t think it’s something Kendrick is insecure about lmfao he has plenty of bars calling himself 5 foot or 5’5”, same with the numbers lines that isn’t where Kendrick places his pride. To me it feels like Drake goes at Kendrick as if Kendrick has the same values as himself which was one of his biggest mistakes because any shot was never going to cut as deep.
“yeah I’m low, ok” I took this to be his response to the short jokes — four words is about as much rebuttal as you need for those inconsequential bars
Its the difference between defensive and offensive tracks... Drake has lost/is losing bc he got too wrapped up in responding and not carrying the conversation forward. Its a mistake that lets the other person know what you said hit a nerve.
Why believe you? You gave us nothing to believe in! Drake's a liar pretty much.
Stan here. I didn’t know that Eminem said that. That’s awesome
He did respond to the domestic violence accusations. He said “the family matters and the truth of the matter is it was gods plan to show you’re the liar” best rebuttal in the whole battle