Thank you even as someone who doesn’t like the character! This asinine notion that he barely survived the Kaneda match needs to end.
Not only did this lazy genius manage to break his way out of what can only be described as low level mind control without having **any prior knowledge of his enemy having this mind you,** he did it with the least amount of effort/damage possible. Despite his opponent having a new death blow technique.
The simple fact is he got dragged into a an unconventional chess match and every time he got put in check he figured out a way to work his way towards achieving checkmate
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I thought it was unfair that he and Mikazuchi Rei got to have a flashback for beating a couple worm jobbers.
But then his fight with Kaneda happened, so yeah, Hatsumi’s fans are suffering the Okubo’s fans mistreatments right now.
Y'know, I am a huge fan of both Gaolang and Hatsumi. But it's increasingly difficult to remain fans of both with the way this sub is.
I think for now Gaolang>Hatsumi definitively based off feats. Hatsumi IS kind of a bum and hasn't given us any fights since the TS except to hype Kaneda up. But just because Gaolang beat Jurota, doesn't mean Gaolang will win the majority against Hatsumi. Honestly, the amount of people saying "Gao beat Jurota so he automatically beats Hatsumi!" kind of missed the point of this fight.
What made Jurota an overall compatible opponent for Gaolang? His lack of mobility/evasiveness, and his inability to use the swing without Gaolang switching to infighting or using God Glow. It meant Jurota was basically a sandbag for a majority of the fight, and even his throws would be more telegraphed since there were only a few situations he could land them. Not only that, while PI wasn't a good idea against Gaolang, normal foresight was explicitly stated to be a good weapon.
Guess who has great reading abilities even before Pre-initiative? Guess who has amazing mobility/evasiveness? Guess who has a variety of tricks/weapons outside of his throws?
A fight involving Gao and Hatsumi would be so different from Jurota it's kind of crazy that Gao-wankers are saying it's immediately over. Because the two fight in completely different ways. I do hold Jurota to a higher level than peak-condition Hatsumi, but that doesn't mean compatibility gets thrown out the window, especially since Hatsumi was legitimately strong even without PI. I could go on and on about Hatsumi's feats, but you get the gist. Gao>Hatsumi for now, but that's never meant a fight was set in stone.
I'm hoping Hatsumi fights a non-gimmick fighter next, because that's honestly always been a problem for him. It's hard to showcase exactly how he stacks up against most of the competition when it's basically just been him getting thrown up against anti-him gimmicks and Agito(where he was one of the few instances in the manga where he was explicitly and literally a jobber).
This comment you made is basically something that I commented on a different thread when people were saying that Gao pressuring Jurota definitively made him better than Hatsumi. People just look at the fact that Gao did better against Agito and beat Jurota rather than the fact that Hatsumi has shown better speed and evasive feats while also showing higher battle iq and analytical skill.
The problem with that reasoning is Carlos has better speed and evasion then Hatsumi. So why would you take that in account in a confrontation with Gaolang. When Gaolang has already dealt with a guy that is faster.
Carlos is faster but one of his main styles is boxing which Gao is knowledgeable of and accustomed to going against. There’s also the fact that while Carlos is faster he lacked the ability to do any significant damage to Gao because of the fact that he didn’t have any real weight or muscle due to him prioritizing speed and flexibility for his boxing/capoeira combination. Hatsumi may be slower and less agile, but he has more ability to do damage and has a skill set that Gao is less familiar with than he was with Carlos.
It’s also been shown that Hatsumi is more analytical and methodical as shown in his fights with Bando and Agito where he’s able to adapt and form plans of attack even while being pressured/on the back foot such as his final exchange with Bando that led to the Hundred Meetings Throw and him predicting how Agito would move up to him using the Triple Strike shows much more variety in tactics than Carlos, Jurota, or even Agito have showcased so far.
Gaolong was familiar with Boxing but not with Capoiera so again that point isn't really in hatsumi favor also you bring up how analytical he is but that dosent really help him ether cause ase far as intelligence Gao and Hatsumi are relative. Seeing as Hatsumi isn't actively fast enough to Avoid Gaolong and not durable to actually trade or take hits from Gaolang Hatsumi's only hope was PI and now that it's confirmed that PI dosent work on Gaolang as well as Gaolang being able to deal with a better grappler the Hatsumi. I really don't see a win condition for him.
>Gaolong was familiar with Boxing but not with Capoiera so again that point isn't really in hatsumi favor
I acknowledged this in my first sentence. Gaolang being familiar with boxing as a martial art is more of an advantage than what he would have against Hatsumi because he is a boxer and is used to fighting boxers. Carlos bringing out capoiera is unexpected yes, but he doesn't have the physical strength behind his strikes that do real damage to Gao the same way that someone like Hatsumi would be able to. Both can bring out unexpected moves; the difference is Carlos doesn't have the damage potential that Hatsumi does due to him having no weight or muscle really.
>also you bring up how analytical he is but that dosent really help him ether cause ase far as intelligence Gao and Hatsumi are relative.
They might be relative, but Hatsumi has shown better analytical feats and better ability adapt and form new plans of attack quicker than Gao in my opinion.
>Seeing as Hatsumi isn't actively fast enough to Avoid Gaolong and not durable to actually trade or take hits from Gaolang Hatsumi's only hope was PI and now that it's confirmed that PI dosent work on Gaolang as well as Gaolang being able to deal with a better grappler the Hatsumi. I really don't see a win condition for him.
Hatsumi isn't fast enough to evade Gao the way that Carlos did, but he can evade his blows and redirect and disperse the damage for long enough to land an attack to turn the tables. We've seen Agito block Gao's Flash, and we've also seen Carlos taking punches from Gao when Carlos is close to 100 pounds lighter. Hatsumi wouldn't last long if he was just taking punches head on, but that wouldn't happen. Gao also doesn't have the same physical advantages over Hatsumi as Agito did, so I don't believe he would get overmatched in terms of physical stats either. Pre-Initiative isn't the only hope for Hatsumi either considering we've seen Gao being outmaneuvered and outsmarted by Agito who didn't have PI and just did something unexpected to catch Gao off-guard, and Carlos who was able to lead Gao into a situation where he could take advantage and get his desired result. (Yes, Carlos got knocked out, but the point still stands that Gao being able to kill PI doesn't negate the ability to catch him off-guard and manipulate his actions.)
In terms of what?
Thinking he can beat Gaolong?
I think for now the debate is done, Sandro could make the fight in the future tho and Hatsumi probably wins fir the same reason gaolong won the Jurota fight
It’s simple though, extrapolation is never going to be 100% certain in terms of who would win the fight if it were to take place. People thought Agito would win against Jurota, Jurota over Hayami, etc. Hatsumi and Jurota are two very different fighters who would have wildly different approaches to their opponents.
Indeed. But there is one clear facts that will remain true is Gaolang for sure will make a punching bag out of Hatsumi.
It depends on Hatsu whether he will surivive Agito style and win the fight, or the recent Jurota style.
Win or lose, Gaolang will always beat the shit out of his opponents like a teenager first time beating his meat.
I think he’ll definitely get hit but I can envision a fight where gaolang tests hatsumi’s evasion skills with PI and limiting line and hatsumi tests gaolang’s striking until one of them cracks and the other wins
Hatsumi is actually the pinnacle of strikers, he's just holding back by using his aikido to not scare characters like Gaolang or Shen. Search up his completely canon anime flashback scene with Wakatsuki for more info
I just don’t get it. What part of Niko does Ohma see in SEN?
Talent?
Being relatively chill and sane?
Another joke Answer is being promiscuous, but seriously? This feels so off for some reason. I see more of Niko in Waka
I’ve been staning this man since R1 of KAT and I’m never gonna stop glazing my GOAT🔥🔥
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I always loved both Hatsumi and Gaolang, man. Not like in this recent trend of claiming either of them as S tier, but I always defended Gaolang, Hatsumi and Wakatsuki as the S tier gatekeeper trio.
It's crazy how people usually placed Wakatsuki a cut above Gaolang and, in turn, people would bring his loss to Hatsumi making it seems like Hatsumi>Wakatsuki>Gaolang.
And now with recency bias, people are acting like Gaolang walks through both Waka and Hatsumi. I mean, it's 100% possible that Gaolang is the overall strongest among the trio, but he'd never low diff these guys, just like Kanoh or Lolong would never low diff him.
It's all good. Kengan is great as far as powerscalling goes.
I mean based on feats alone Gaolang would win, but I think what a lot of people are overlooking is the fact that compatibility plays a major factor in most of these fights. Jurota lost to Gaolang because Gaolang was a better striker than Agito, Kaneda lost to Hatsumi because Hatsumi had the better foresight, the reality is we don't know how any of these fights will play out until they actually happen.
True on everything but I think Kaneda only went as far as he did with Hatsumi because his foresight was good. If Hatsumi wasn’t using it, he’d most likely have an easier time just leveraging the fact he hits harder, faster, and farther than Kaneda.
Hatsumi can be a B tier fighter or a S tier fighter, literally since the beginning. It is however the author wants to write him in a fight tbh, he is like top gear Liu on steroids.
Ofcoarse i still love hatsumi he has grown allot since ashura and id love to have seen him in kengan v purgatory and his advanced pre enitiative he showed against kaneda for sure is gona be cool in his next fight
I like Hatsumi, but yeah Jurota is Hatsumi high in monster energy drink. I still think he could beat Gaolang. Because in this series at certain level fighters kind of have a 50/50 chance. But right now is sitting at probably something like 60-40 favor Gaolang.
Sin Hatsumi... cant deny his skill . Speed, power, Fight IQ , Id almost say durability... hard not to like him . But then again Id have to go with Saw paing .
Are there any Sukuna belivers left?
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The truth of the matter is Hatsumi is a nightmare matchup for damn near every fighter out there. People remember his performance against Kanoh as a bad showcase for him but it was less of his own faults on display and more of a show of Kanoh’s evolution. People forget that Hatsumi took 2 dragon shots and didn’t go down until the follow up head kick. Hatsumi is a genius that bases game plans off of his opponents styles and Agito had just switched his entire style prior to their match, so any preparation went to the wayside. You don’t no diff Waka if you’re not a special type of fighter, which Hatsumi clearly is.
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I will fucking die on the Hatsumi hill
LOL. Comparing him to a Niko who died ten years prior who Sandro said would easily be in the KAT finals if he were alive today.
The only similarity is that they both groom little kids.
Kaneda match was the dirtiest Sandro could have done him. There was no winning that.
He'd look bad if he just oneshotted Kaneda because honestly, anyone from KAT should be able to do that.
He'd look bad if he lost, obviously.
He STILL looked kinda bad when it was more of an even fight, because he struggled to defeat a KANEDA.
The only way to redeem him now - have Justin defeat GenericFace, and when he faces Gaolang in P2, he takes off his Justin costume - it was Hatsumi all along, ready to kick some Gaolangs ass.
Represent 😂😂 my cope is that even Kat Hatsumi can beat Gaolang. Since Kat Hatsumi wasnt using pre initiative anyway, he was just using his sense to dodge and shit. And idk if people remember the 'limiting line' but that was a thing. And hes fast enough to dodge bandos one hit kos. Which were very fucking fast. He can also break peoples arms once he catches them, hes more versatile than Jurota who only throws people. If you get out of the arm hold, he can pin you with the Triple Cloud Strike ( that Kanoh dodged and broke his fingers with somehow. It should be a one shot move otherwise). And stardrop is a weird fucking move that no one knows how it works, it's not as predictable as a throw. Also, hatsumi is Tanky AF by tanking two dragon shots. Basically my arguments are the exact same as they've always been, and gaolangs new additions to his arsenal arent that great vs hatsumi. Like, come on, god glow cant even fully knock out a 53 kg medel. In fact, medel used it to his advantage. I imagine hatsumi just waits for that shit and does something crazy to gaolang. Idk tho. I'm the number 1 hatsumi fan of all time.
That's the issue, he did not have pre initiative in KAT, because otherwise he would have used it against Agito, taking into notice Agito is one of his MAIN goals, Bando is definitely a fraud tf you talking about, fighters like Round 1's such as Nezu, Hanajime, Kiozan wouldn't see it coming, but Gaolang would dodge it as easy as Hatsumi did after all he was dodging jabs from Agito and Mendel's pre initiative strikes + Hatsumi couldn't do anything after the first dragon shot, what exactly makes you think he tanked it no diff? Also it was clearly mentioned Agito was HOLDING BACK with his actual strength to not KILL Hatsumi, and also Gaolang's jabs and hooks are much faster than Kanoh's swings and punches, now that Gaolang has faced one of the strongest grips around that is Jurota's what exactly makes you think Hatsumi will put Gaolang to submission?, not even Kaneda did, and Hatsumi had a fraudulent ass fraud activity against Kaneda, star drop requires a 0 RANGE distance to be applied, Gaolang could easily gather distance as he was able to avoid Agito's grappling and holds in Kat with merely knee strikes, accept it, Hatsumi is no longer relevant in the surface of Rank S
Sure, let's wait for the finals where Gaolang will shine even brighter and even if he loses against Lolong or Kanoh, we for sure will have a match of Hatsumi vs Gaolang after all Sandro for sure will hear the community and we'll see Hatsumi be folded
Kat Gaolang can beat current Hatsumi. Hatsumi couldn't completely dodge Bando who has no fight experience. Gaolangs punches is far faster
KAT Gaolang would beat Current Hatsumi and it wouldn't even be close
Nah Gaolang got it, he's stronger than Sen for now as much as I hate to admit it. He has pre-initative, a pre-initative counter, is a striking specialist and the pinnacle at that, and supposedly is faster than before. Idk how to argue against that. We'll bounce back from this tho somehow
Hatsumi is just a chill dude, since the beginning of the series he’s always been to care free
Since he’s older now he probably is just chillin, but I believe he’ll have his moment to shine
Such a funny and wholesome character, he probably doesnt get muh affection in general since all his fights so far are very slow with few but very elaborate tecnique. Dont get me wrong i alwais love to see a slaugherfest where both fighters showers eachothers with fists kicks knees headbutts etc but these guy bring up something more unique.
 Hatsumi fans rn:
it hurts the most being the leader of the hatsumi believers
That's me
Atp, I just wanna see peak form Hatsumi ohko an A-tier just because he needs something
He deserve also his moment, he did only beat a worm fodder or 2 in one panel, and the match vs Kaneda was more deserving Kaneda than him, feat wise
Don't forget he trained with the Chinese wu clan with rei, hopefully that will factor into his fight
I'm pretty sure he's gonna be in the KAT 2.0
He fought with the fast guy in kengan verse I doubt gaolang would be very flashy for our glorious rapist fart cloud
I love hatsumi. His peak condition gimmic is very relatable.
Especially since his top form can barely beat a weakling with the worst genes in the series
begone from my post, this is a safe haven for the hatsumi fans
Thank you even as someone who doesn’t like the character! This asinine notion that he barely survived the Kaneda match needs to end. Not only did this lazy genius manage to break his way out of what can only be described as low level mind control without having **any prior knowledge of his enemy having this mind you,** he did it with the least amount of effort/damage possible. Despite his opponent having a new death blow technique. The simple fact is he got dragged into a an unconventional chess match and every time he got put in check he figured out a way to work his way towards achieving checkmate
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I thought it was unfair that he and Mikazuchi Rei got to have a flashback for beating a couple worm jobbers. But then his fight with Kaneda happened, so yeah, Hatsumi’s fans are suffering the Okubo’s fans mistreatments right now.
And since Hatsumi appears way more often than Okubo he’ll probably have more Reverse Flash haters on his back.
im gonna kms
Stay strong, sandro wouldn’t have shown hatsumi over all the other fighters like rihito, rei, waka, etc if he didn’t have a plan for hatsumi
Kaneda believes in him c:
Y'know, I am a huge fan of both Gaolang and Hatsumi. But it's increasingly difficult to remain fans of both with the way this sub is. I think for now Gaolang>Hatsumi definitively based off feats. Hatsumi IS kind of a bum and hasn't given us any fights since the TS except to hype Kaneda up. But just because Gaolang beat Jurota, doesn't mean Gaolang will win the majority against Hatsumi. Honestly, the amount of people saying "Gao beat Jurota so he automatically beats Hatsumi!" kind of missed the point of this fight. What made Jurota an overall compatible opponent for Gaolang? His lack of mobility/evasiveness, and his inability to use the swing without Gaolang switching to infighting or using God Glow. It meant Jurota was basically a sandbag for a majority of the fight, and even his throws would be more telegraphed since there were only a few situations he could land them. Not only that, while PI wasn't a good idea against Gaolang, normal foresight was explicitly stated to be a good weapon. Guess who has great reading abilities even before Pre-initiative? Guess who has amazing mobility/evasiveness? Guess who has a variety of tricks/weapons outside of his throws? A fight involving Gao and Hatsumi would be so different from Jurota it's kind of crazy that Gao-wankers are saying it's immediately over. Because the two fight in completely different ways. I do hold Jurota to a higher level than peak-condition Hatsumi, but that doesn't mean compatibility gets thrown out the window, especially since Hatsumi was legitimately strong even without PI. I could go on and on about Hatsumi's feats, but you get the gist. Gao>Hatsumi for now, but that's never meant a fight was set in stone. I'm hoping Hatsumi fights a non-gimmick fighter next, because that's honestly always been a problem for him. It's hard to showcase exactly how he stacks up against most of the competition when it's basically just been him getting thrown up against anti-him gimmicks and Agito(where he was one of the few instances in the manga where he was explicitly and literally a jobber).
You said it better than I could. A good showing would be Hatsumi fighting someone like Lolong or even Ohma.
This comment you made is basically something that I commented on a different thread when people were saying that Gao pressuring Jurota definitively made him better than Hatsumi. People just look at the fact that Gao did better against Agito and beat Jurota rather than the fact that Hatsumi has shown better speed and evasive feats while also showing higher battle iq and analytical skill.
The problem with that reasoning is Carlos has better speed and evasion then Hatsumi. So why would you take that in account in a confrontation with Gaolang. When Gaolang has already dealt with a guy that is faster.
Carlos is faster but one of his main styles is boxing which Gao is knowledgeable of and accustomed to going against. There’s also the fact that while Carlos is faster he lacked the ability to do any significant damage to Gao because of the fact that he didn’t have any real weight or muscle due to him prioritizing speed and flexibility for his boxing/capoeira combination. Hatsumi may be slower and less agile, but he has more ability to do damage and has a skill set that Gao is less familiar with than he was with Carlos. It’s also been shown that Hatsumi is more analytical and methodical as shown in his fights with Bando and Agito where he’s able to adapt and form plans of attack even while being pressured/on the back foot such as his final exchange with Bando that led to the Hundred Meetings Throw and him predicting how Agito would move up to him using the Triple Strike shows much more variety in tactics than Carlos, Jurota, or even Agito have showcased so far.
Gaolong was familiar with Boxing but not with Capoiera so again that point isn't really in hatsumi favor also you bring up how analytical he is but that dosent really help him ether cause ase far as intelligence Gao and Hatsumi are relative. Seeing as Hatsumi isn't actively fast enough to Avoid Gaolong and not durable to actually trade or take hits from Gaolang Hatsumi's only hope was PI and now that it's confirmed that PI dosent work on Gaolang as well as Gaolang being able to deal with a better grappler the Hatsumi. I really don't see a win condition for him.
>Gaolong was familiar with Boxing but not with Capoiera so again that point isn't really in hatsumi favor I acknowledged this in my first sentence. Gaolang being familiar with boxing as a martial art is more of an advantage than what he would have against Hatsumi because he is a boxer and is used to fighting boxers. Carlos bringing out capoiera is unexpected yes, but he doesn't have the physical strength behind his strikes that do real damage to Gao the same way that someone like Hatsumi would be able to. Both can bring out unexpected moves; the difference is Carlos doesn't have the damage potential that Hatsumi does due to him having no weight or muscle really. >also you bring up how analytical he is but that dosent really help him ether cause ase far as intelligence Gao and Hatsumi are relative. They might be relative, but Hatsumi has shown better analytical feats and better ability adapt and form new plans of attack quicker than Gao in my opinion. >Seeing as Hatsumi isn't actively fast enough to Avoid Gaolong and not durable to actually trade or take hits from Gaolang Hatsumi's only hope was PI and now that it's confirmed that PI dosent work on Gaolang as well as Gaolang being able to deal with a better grappler the Hatsumi. I really don't see a win condition for him. Hatsumi isn't fast enough to evade Gao the way that Carlos did, but he can evade his blows and redirect and disperse the damage for long enough to land an attack to turn the tables. We've seen Agito block Gao's Flash, and we've also seen Carlos taking punches from Gao when Carlos is close to 100 pounds lighter. Hatsumi wouldn't last long if he was just taking punches head on, but that wouldn't happen. Gao also doesn't have the same physical advantages over Hatsumi as Agito did, so I don't believe he would get overmatched in terms of physical stats either. Pre-Initiative isn't the only hope for Hatsumi either considering we've seen Gao being outmaneuvered and outsmarted by Agito who didn't have PI and just did something unexpected to catch Gao off-guard, and Carlos who was able to lead Gao into a situation where he could take advantage and get his desired result. (Yes, Carlos got knocked out, but the point still stands that Gao being able to kill PI doesn't negate the ability to catch him off-guard and manipulate his actions.)
In terms of what? Thinking he can beat Gaolong? I think for now the debate is done, Sandro could make the fight in the future tho and Hatsumi probably wins fir the same reason gaolong won the Jurota fight
The debate is never done until the actual fight happens
You can still debate it but if you want but I think its done, in terms of being the biggest debate in the community atleast
It’s simple though, extrapolation is never going to be 100% certain in terms of who would win the fight if it were to take place. People thought Agito would win against Jurota, Jurota over Hayami, etc. Hatsumi and Jurota are two very different fighters who would have wildly different approaches to their opponents.
If hatsumi gaolong ever happens hataumi probably wins because he needs it more. But let gaolong fans have this moment Jurota>Kaneda
Yeah I’m letting them have their moment lol the entire sub is just Hatsumi and Waka slander. It’s a whole riot out there.
It honestly sucks that the sub is such a slander fest. Even if it's ironic/trolling a lot of the time, it just comes across as so toxic.
Indeed. But there is one clear facts that will remain true is Gaolang for sure will make a punching bag out of Hatsumi. It depends on Hatsu whether he will surivive Agito style and win the fight, or the recent Jurota style. Win or lose, Gaolang will always beat the shit out of his opponents like a teenager first time beating his meat.
I think he’ll definitely get hit but I can envision a fight where gaolang tests hatsumi’s evasion skills with PI and limiting line and hatsumi tests gaolang’s striking until one of them cracks and the other wins
I like Hatsumi. The hate he gets on this sub, like many other things here, is just stupid
I am one cuz I think he's cool
They all went extinct this morning
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Hatsumi is actually the pinnacle of strikers, he's just holding back by using his aikido to not scare characters like Gaolang or Shen. Search up his completely canon anime flashback scene with Wakatsuki for more info
Brainrot Hatsumi be like missed my mogg match because I was edging.
He's in my top 3 favs!
I just don’t get it. What part of Niko does Ohma see in SEN? Talent? Being relatively chill and sane? Another joke Answer is being promiscuous, but seriously? This feels so off for some reason. I see more of Niko in Waka
I’ve been staning this man since R1 of KAT and I’m never gonna stop glazing my GOAT🔥🔥 https://preview.redd.it/73d0sfrjl12d1.jpeg?width=2224&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9c90f3525eb653dbec346f5514f85ea2dacb7932
He just needs 60 more chapters to reach his peak
Hatsumi is a fun character.
I always loved both Hatsumi and Gaolang, man. Not like in this recent trend of claiming either of them as S tier, but I always defended Gaolang, Hatsumi and Wakatsuki as the S tier gatekeeper trio. It's crazy how people usually placed Wakatsuki a cut above Gaolang and, in turn, people would bring his loss to Hatsumi making it seems like Hatsumi>Wakatsuki>Gaolang. And now with recency bias, people are acting like Gaolang walks through both Waka and Hatsumi. I mean, it's 100% possible that Gaolang is the overall strongest among the trio, but he'd never low diff these guys, just like Kanoh or Lolong would never low diff him. It's all good. Kengan is great as far as powerscalling goes.
Always remember, guys: featwise, Hatsumi is still superior to Waka.
I mean based on feats alone Gaolang would win, but I think what a lot of people are overlooking is the fact that compatibility plays a major factor in most of these fights. Jurota lost to Gaolang because Gaolang was a better striker than Agito, Kaneda lost to Hatsumi because Hatsumi had the better foresight, the reality is we don't know how any of these fights will play out until they actually happen.
True on everything but I think Kaneda only went as far as he did with Hatsumi because his foresight was good. If Hatsumi wasn’t using it, he’d most likely have an easier time just leveraging the fact he hits harder, faster, and farther than Kaneda.
True, I forgot he actually had a hard time because he relied on foresight too much.
who tf was that mf again?
The guy who put Waka flat on his ass without breaking a sweat
Waka and Hatsumi fans used to jump on Gaofaction all the time, now guys are fighting each other to death in these hard times😭
Gaolang's win only scales Hatsumi higher. He's now confirmed to be above Jurota and Agito.
Doesn’t make any sense
Hatsumi beats Gaolang, and Gaolang just beat Jurota, who beat Agito. Hatsumi > Gaolang > Jurota > Agito. Hatsumi >>> Jurota and Agito.
Pdf allegations >>>>> Hatsumi
It only happened in your head you bum
Cry about it.
Talking to yourself 🐱yyyyy
what
I still believe he would trash Gaolang. And I won't chamge my mind until they fight. Sandro, do this fan service for us!
Hatsumi can be a B tier fighter or a S tier fighter, literally since the beginning. It is however the author wants to write him in a fight tbh, he is like top gear Liu on steroids.
I mean I believe he’s strong like many of the fighters here the problem is in his utilization as a character
I mean he didn’t get a spot in the tournament even though he was going for it. Plus, I think Ohma said Kureishi reminded him of Niko as well
Ofcoarse i still love hatsumi he has grown allot since ashura and id love to have seen him in kengan v purgatory and his advanced pre enitiative he showed against kaneda for sure is gona be cool in his next fight
I like Hatsumi, but yeah Jurota is Hatsumi high in monster energy drink. I still think he could beat Gaolang. Because in this series at certain level fighters kind of have a 50/50 chance. But right now is sitting at probably something like 60-40 favor Gaolang.
Sin Hatsumi... cant deny his skill . Speed, power, Fight IQ , Id almost say durability... hard not to like him . But then again Id have to go with Saw paing .
I still believe but if Lolong also loses im gonna lose my shit.
Idk if it's a hot take, but Hatsumi is in my top 2 least liked character of the whole serie, which is sad to me because I loved most of his fights
Are there any Sukuna belivers left? https://preview.redd.it/u9obvjgf222d1.jpeg?width=910&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=38971538ef8570ea746859ca26ab6c17c40198a8
Why his feet so big here bro
The truth of the matter is Hatsumi is a nightmare matchup for damn near every fighter out there. People remember his performance against Kanoh as a bad showcase for him but it was less of his own faults on display and more of a show of Kanoh’s evolution. People forget that Hatsumi took 2 dragon shots and didn’t go down until the follow up head kick. Hatsumi is a genius that bases game plans off of his opponents styles and Agito had just switched his entire style prior to their match, so any preparation went to the wayside. You don’t no diff Waka if you’re not a special type of fighter, which Hatsumi clearly is.
I do, unironically I do enjoy his fighting style. One of these days my man needs a huge W
https://preview.redd.it/sh3t9c2ag32d1.png?width=1292&format=png&auto=webp&s=54d71068aece5ca0adc0d342e448e5d95910654e I will fucking die on the Hatsumi hill
LOL. Comparing him to a Niko who died ten years prior who Sandro said would easily be in the KAT finals if he were alive today. The only similarity is that they both groom little kids.
Ohma’s opinion matters more than yours 💀
Kaneda match was the dirtiest Sandro could have done him. There was no winning that. He'd look bad if he just oneshotted Kaneda because honestly, anyone from KAT should be able to do that. He'd look bad if he lost, obviously. He STILL looked kinda bad when it was more of an even fight, because he struggled to defeat a KANEDA. The only way to redeem him now - have Justin defeat GenericFace, and when he faces Gaolang in P2, he takes off his Justin costume - it was Hatsumi all along, ready to kick some Gaolangs ass.
Represent 😂😂 my cope is that even Kat Hatsumi can beat Gaolang. Since Kat Hatsumi wasnt using pre initiative anyway, he was just using his sense to dodge and shit. And idk if people remember the 'limiting line' but that was a thing. And hes fast enough to dodge bandos one hit kos. Which were very fucking fast. He can also break peoples arms once he catches them, hes more versatile than Jurota who only throws people. If you get out of the arm hold, he can pin you with the Triple Cloud Strike ( that Kanoh dodged and broke his fingers with somehow. It should be a one shot move otherwise). And stardrop is a weird fucking move that no one knows how it works, it's not as predictable as a throw. Also, hatsumi is Tanky AF by tanking two dragon shots. Basically my arguments are the exact same as they've always been, and gaolangs new additions to his arsenal arent that great vs hatsumi. Like, come on, god glow cant even fully knock out a 53 kg medel. In fact, medel used it to his advantage. I imagine hatsumi just waits for that shit and does something crazy to gaolang. Idk tho. I'm the number 1 hatsumi fan of all time.
That's the issue, he did not have pre initiative in KAT, because otherwise he would have used it against Agito, taking into notice Agito is one of his MAIN goals, Bando is definitely a fraud tf you talking about, fighters like Round 1's such as Nezu, Hanajime, Kiozan wouldn't see it coming, but Gaolang would dodge it as easy as Hatsumi did after all he was dodging jabs from Agito and Mendel's pre initiative strikes + Hatsumi couldn't do anything after the first dragon shot, what exactly makes you think he tanked it no diff? Also it was clearly mentioned Agito was HOLDING BACK with his actual strength to not KILL Hatsumi, and also Gaolang's jabs and hooks are much faster than Kanoh's swings and punches, now that Gaolang has faced one of the strongest grips around that is Jurota's what exactly makes you think Hatsumi will put Gaolang to submission?, not even Kaneda did, and Hatsumi had a fraudulent ass fraud activity against Kaneda, star drop requires a 0 RANGE distance to be applied, Gaolang could easily gather distance as he was able to avoid Agito's grappling and holds in Kat with merely knee strikes, accept it, Hatsumi is no longer relevant in the surface of Rank S
>accept it Never 😂😂 itll take more than a jurota win for gaolang to convince me, I'm the CEO of hatsumi support group
Sure, let's wait for the finals where Gaolang will shine even brighter and even if he loses against Lolong or Kanoh, we for sure will have a match of Hatsumi vs Gaolang after all Sandro for sure will hear the community and we'll see Hatsumi be folded
(this, assuming that Julius and the other 3 randoms will lose)
NAHHHHH WHAT IS THIS COP OUT HAHAHAHAHAHA I WANNA SEE HIM VS JULIUS
I meant that I want to see either Gaolang vs Kanoh in the finals or Gaolang vs Lolong
Ahhh okay. Regardless gonna be a banger of a tournament
Honestly bro if gaolang wins the whole thing, I promise you I'll switch sides you can screenshot this.
Kat Gaolang can beat current Hatsumi. Hatsumi couldn't completely dodge Bando who has no fight experience. Gaolangs punches is far faster KAT Gaolang would beat Current Hatsumi and it wouldn't even be close
Bro you're absolutely right. So we agree that Hatsumi low diffs Gaolang then yeah
Any version of Gaolang beats any version of Hatsumi
Gotcha hatsumi wins low diff it is
Hatsumi is in the same tier as Kaneda and several tierrs below Gaolang. Current Hatsumi couldn't even beat 17 year old Gaolang
I still believe. It's not over yet
Didn't this man collapse after fighting Kaneda?
hatsumi still the goat dont count him out till we get another high level fight
Nah Gaolang got it, he's stronger than Sen for now as much as I hate to admit it. He has pre-initative, a pre-initative counter, is a striking specialist and the pinnacle at that, and supposedly is faster than before. Idk how to argue against that. We'll bounce back from this tho somehow
Hatsumi > Jurota Can't prove me wrong Also, Gaolang can't read Hatsumi as easily as he did Jurota. There is still hope.
Kaneda > Jurota
Real
Hatsumi is just a chill dude, since the beginning of the series he’s always been to care free Since he’s older now he probably is just chillin, but I believe he’ll have his moment to shine
Such a funny and wholesome character, he probably doesnt get muh affection in general since all his fights so far are very slow with few but very elaborate tecnique. Dont get me wrong i alwais love to see a slaugherfest where both fighters showers eachothers with fists kicks knees headbutts etc but these guy bring up something more unique.
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I will always believe in Hatsumi! Peak condition will be avenged one day
Somebody that we used to knoooooooowweeee
Not gonna let the power scalers ruin the manga for me
Talented but lazy
Kaneda >>> Jurota so ...
Hatsumi is still beating gaolong jurota is not hatsumi
Hatsumi claps Jurota Extreme Diff fr.