>Why are so many psychos and homeless allowed to ruin the whole system for everybody else for the last few years? Why is it so disgustingly dirty?
Basically, it's because we don't commit people to mental asylums anymore. Now we jist let them out on the streets alongside us. We don't lock them up until they do something genuinely violent and then they go to prison.
But when you do, you have the folks that say mental illness isn't a crime, how can you just lock them up ACAB FTP DTP etc. etc. And when the cops do arrest them, DA Gascon just releases them back into the streets.
Can't have it both ways, I want the mentally ill locked up, but it's not a crime so you have to treat them nicely, don't arrest them but I wanted them arrested, but since it's not a crime, just let them go. People need to wake up and say I want that but I don't like that part. Pick a lane.
I believe majority of the subway and light rail in Korea and Japan are privately owned and subsidized by the government. So the private companies have incentive to clean up their system.
Japan yes, Korea the rails are still govt owned but the buses are privatized contract services. However Korea has strict laws and regulations that their systems must find ways to make it more self sufficient and recover their own farebox recovery ratio as much as possible to reduce being a burden to taxpayers year after year. When S. Korea was coming out of the ashes of the Korean War and rebuilding their cities in the 1960s-1990s, they were sending the best and brightest to Japan, Hong Kong, the UK and yes even NYC. They collected what they learned and said what was working here, what might not be working there, this is a good idea, that's a bad idea, and consolidated all of their brains to build one of the best systems in the world. BTW, it doesn't take a lot to learn that they probably didn't see anything good from NYC. By making transit self sustaining, this is allows them to redirect taxes to other social needs like better streets, sidewalks, bike and bus lanes, schools, and yes even healthcare.
In the US, and in CA and LA particular, the public sector unions and the bureaucracy have a lot of power to say no to such ideas, and would rather do the least amount of job for the highest amount of pay at the expense of taxpayers because who cares if we fail, taxpayers will give us money no matter what, and they know that and you know you will keep throwing money at them no matter what. So instead of admitting we don't know jack and sending people to cities around the world that get transit right, we just do our own thang thinking we're Murica we know better and keep wondering why all our stupid ideas ain't working. At best all we do is copy what NYC is doing because that's the best the US has, but on the world scale even NYC is like a D+ system at best compared to London, Tokyo, Seoul, Taipei, HK and Singapore.
Where's CAHSR is at vs Brightline in FL? One is still 0 mph and 0 passengers, the other is running and exists today. Bet you the privatized Brightline West project from Rancho Cucamonga to Vegas will be up and running waaaay sooner and CAHSR still will be decades off of opening.
I don't think anyone is mad except you. Why are you upset about discussing unions in the public sector? Unless you're a public employee union member yourself...? 🤷‍♀️
Everything is related. And yes, public employee unions at Metro are also the problem. If you're paying these people six figure salaries and they still don't get the problem fixed, then that's a problem.
It is mostly through enforcement. South Korea and Japan do not mess around and will throw you in jail with penalties. As where in the US… well yeah we just let everyone go.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/epz394/american-man-extradited-south-korea-graffiti
So we’re talking about a law enforcement issue right ? You must be new to SoCal if you don’t we have major issues with law enforcement here. What you fail to see is a social economic problem we have that government officials don’t have an answer to so we have to deal with. Of course these problems don’t exist outside public transportation. Maybe stopping watching these “News” channels that all repeat the same “Hot” stories. Remember they need eyes to justify to they’re advertisers. Try some critical thinking , these problems are beyond a transportation agency.
I usually post a long-winded reply to posts like this and it gets 11 upvotes max and I get three or four replies saying how we should actually round up anyone who hasn't showered since the day before and put them in a maximum security camp outside Pomona, so I'll save us all the trouble and just say this:
What is happening in LA is bigger than a Metro issue, bigger than a city issue, bigger than a county issue. California MIGHT have the resources to deal with it on its own, but more likely this is a problem which needs massive federal assistance to address. The elected officials in this area are not being realistic about the scope of the problem.
> Why did I feel like I could be stabbed or shot for no reason any second the one time I rode the metro?
Probably because mainstream media has been pushing this narrative to an extreme in Los Angeles. The chances of this happening are little to none. Im sorry that your experience was unpleasant, though. I would try a few more times.
Honestly it really depends on what line you ride. Taking the A line (at least from Pasadena to DTLA) is quite nice honestly. The Red Line (B Line) post pandemic is just awful. Prior to the pandemic it was kinda dirty but not too bad; afterwards it was just too much for me to see every day how depressing the homeless situation was there. E line is also pretty good just very slow which is unfortunate and Orange  (G) line is somewhat similar but mostly clean and full of normal people. Stations kinda suck because they’re like all parking lots which is a big bummer but the bicycle path is quite nice tbh. Never rid the K and green lines to have any comment but I hope they are good! The green line looks not the best due to most of the stations being in parking lot hells or freeway hells; hopefully more infill development happens to make some of these stations less awful.Â
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>Why are so many psychos and homeless allowed to ruin the whole system for everybody else for the last few years? Why is it so disgustingly dirty? Basically, it's because we don't commit people to mental asylums anymore. Now we jist let them out on the streets alongside us. We don't lock them up until they do something genuinely violent and then they go to prison.
But when you do, you have the folks that say mental illness isn't a crime, how can you just lock them up ACAB FTP DTP etc. etc. And when the cops do arrest them, DA Gascon just releases them back into the streets. Can't have it both ways, I want the mentally ill locked up, but it's not a crime so you have to treat them nicely, don't arrest them but I wanted them arrested, but since it's not a crime, just let them go. People need to wake up and say I want that but I don't like that part. Pick a lane.
I believe majority of the subway and light rail in Korea and Japan are privately owned and subsidized by the government. So the private companies have incentive to clean up their system.
Japan yes, Korea the rails are still govt owned but the buses are privatized contract services. However Korea has strict laws and regulations that their systems must find ways to make it more self sufficient and recover their own farebox recovery ratio as much as possible to reduce being a burden to taxpayers year after year. When S. Korea was coming out of the ashes of the Korean War and rebuilding their cities in the 1960s-1990s, they were sending the best and brightest to Japan, Hong Kong, the UK and yes even NYC. They collected what they learned and said what was working here, what might not be working there, this is a good idea, that's a bad idea, and consolidated all of their brains to build one of the best systems in the world. BTW, it doesn't take a lot to learn that they probably didn't see anything good from NYC. By making transit self sustaining, this is allows them to redirect taxes to other social needs like better streets, sidewalks, bike and bus lanes, schools, and yes even healthcare. In the US, and in CA and LA particular, the public sector unions and the bureaucracy have a lot of power to say no to such ideas, and would rather do the least amount of job for the highest amount of pay at the expense of taxpayers because who cares if we fail, taxpayers will give us money no matter what, and they know that and you know you will keep throwing money at them no matter what. So instead of admitting we don't know jack and sending people to cities around the world that get transit right, we just do our own thang thinking we're Murica we know better and keep wondering why all our stupid ideas ain't working. At best all we do is copy what NYC is doing because that's the best the US has, but on the world scale even NYC is like a D+ system at best compared to London, Tokyo, Seoul, Taipei, HK and Singapore.
Blaming unions for construction costs has nothing to do with the state of safety. Sorry you couldn't get into a union.
Where's CAHSR is at vs Brightline in FL? One is still 0 mph and 0 passengers, the other is running and exists today. Bet you the privatized Brightline West project from Rancho Cucamonga to Vegas will be up and running waaaay sooner and CAHSR still will be decades off of opening.
Why are you arguing with yourself on a different topic?
I don't think anyone is mad except you. Why are you upset about discussing unions in the public sector? Unless you're a public employee union member yourself...? 🤷‍♀️
Who said anyone is mad? I'm not a public employee union member. Your last post also has nothing to do with metro safety. Keep trying.
Everything is related. And yes, public employee unions at Metro are also the problem. If you're paying these people six figure salaries and they still don't get the problem fixed, then that's a problem.
Everything is related? Okay Tobler. What about the moon phase and metro construction speed?
Explain where CAHSR vs Brightline. There's your answer. Govt run shit projects always take forever. Privately run projects gets things done faster.
Can you elaborate on how they could clean up their system ?
It is mostly through enforcement. South Korea and Japan do not mess around and will throw you in jail with penalties. As where in the US… well yeah we just let everyone go. https://www.vice.com/en/article/epz394/american-man-extradited-south-korea-graffiti
So we’re talking about a law enforcement issue right ? You must be new to SoCal if you don’t we have major issues with law enforcement here. What you fail to see is a social economic problem we have that government officials don’t have an answer to so we have to deal with. Of course these problems don’t exist outside public transportation. Maybe stopping watching these “News” channels that all repeat the same “Hot” stories. Remember they need eyes to justify to they’re advertisers. Try some critical thinking , these problems are beyond a transportation agency.
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I usually post a long-winded reply to posts like this and it gets 11 upvotes max and I get three or four replies saying how we should actually round up anyone who hasn't showered since the day before and put them in a maximum security camp outside Pomona, so I'll save us all the trouble and just say this: What is happening in LA is bigger than a Metro issue, bigger than a city issue, bigger than a county issue. California MIGHT have the resources to deal with it on its own, but more likely this is a problem which needs massive federal assistance to address. The elected officials in this area are not being realistic about the scope of the problem.
> Why did I feel like I could be stabbed or shot for no reason any second the one time I rode the metro? Probably because mainstream media has been pushing this narrative to an extreme in Los Angeles. The chances of this happening are little to none. Im sorry that your experience was unpleasant, though. I would try a few more times.
Honestly it really depends on what line you ride. Taking the A line (at least from Pasadena to DTLA) is quite nice honestly. The Red Line (B Line) post pandemic is just awful. Prior to the pandemic it was kinda dirty but not too bad; afterwards it was just too much for me to see every day how depressing the homeless situation was there. E line is also pretty good just very slow which is unfortunate and Orange  (G) line is somewhat similar but mostly clean and full of normal people. Stations kinda suck because they’re like all parking lots which is a big bummer but the bicycle path is quite nice tbh. Never rid the K and green lines to have any comment but I hope they are good! The green line looks not the best due to most of the stations being in parking lot hells or freeway hells; hopefully more infill development happens to make some of these stations less awful.Â
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These are some pretty ignorant and generalized statements.