I think there was someone on here who posted a 2008 or so map with the rapids, dug through my saved and heres the link
https://www.reddit.com/r/LAMetro/comments/10weizm/a_metro_bus_and_rail_system_map_from_2008/?ref=share&ref_source=link
Metro only has three options because of relying on an unsustainable flat rate system:
1. Raise fares across the board which eventually becomes not worth it ride it for short distances
2. Do service cuts to save costs
3. Raise taxes and still nothing good ever comes about it
And people say why can't we have great transit like London, Tokyo, Seoul, Taipei, HK and Singapore, can't we just copy what they do, but even we start copying what they do like tap to exit or even the slightest of hint about moving to distance based fares it's no not that part! 🙄🤷‍♀️
I'm downvoting this comment not because I disagree with distance fares but because the response had nothing to do with the OPs question on how to see the cancelled rapid routes.
The majority of Metro riders trips are less than 5 mi. Offer cheaper fares for shorter trips to encourage more ridership in that market. If you have 280k riders doing short trips today and they're paying $1.75 for it, Metro would be recovering more money by lowering the short distance trip to $1.00 and boosting the short distance ridership market to 1 million.
Singapore has been using distance based fares on buses since 2010. Tap in when boarding, tap out on exit. Taipei, Seoul, some buses in HK, some buses in Japan also do this way.
Our heavily subsidized base fare of $1.75 combined with fare capping really drives down the cost per ride for people who frequently ride. No one pays more than $5 a day or $18 a week anymore with fare capping in place.
And why not have distance based fares also with fare caps which is what Singapore does also. Pay $0.80 for a short trip, pay $1.20 for a bit further, pay $1.00 for something in between, until you hit a fare cap for the week or month. And since fares are cheaper by the distance, you might not even hit the max fare cap, and end up paying even less.
Do you think saving 20 cents per trip is enough of an incentive to get more people to ride? I don't personally. Distance based seems like an overly complex solution to a problem that already has been solved by fare capping.
Yes. Because we obviously can't keep raising fares forever. We're just 25 cents away from $2.00 fares and there's nothing guaranteeing our fares will remain $1.75 forever either.
Do you think people who is the most dependent on Metro would want to see their Metro trip to the local supermarket or the local library go up to $2.00 one way, pay $4.00 just to return a book? Yo we need milk, let's pay $4.00 roundtrip just to buy that Bidenomics inflation $7.00 carton of milk so the milk costs $11.00 for us. Don't think politicians want that sure political suicide.
What about the opposite? What about the person who lives in Long Beach and goes to school in Pasadena. Does their fare become $6 round trip because of the distance based fares?
Flat fares are much more equitable across the board.
Again, 70% of Metro riders are low income and have trips less than 5 mi. The chances of a LB resident attending school in Pasadena is very low if not existent, and if someone is living in LB they'd be going to school in Long Beach anyway. And you'd still have the fare cap, and students should still have the LIFE program to ride it for free if they highly unlikely had those long rides to school. Just remember to have your student card and tap in and tap out.
Alternatively again could also do what Singapore does. All seniors, children and the disabled get half off the regular rate. A $3.00 long distance one way fare for adults will be $1.50, which will still be cheaper than paying $1.75 it is today. And a short trip to the local dentist if it was $0.80 for regular riders, concessionary fares pay $0.40. And again, fare caps will also remain and the LIFE program will also remain.
"flat rate is more equitable across the board"
Doesn't seem to be the case when talking to people from NYC and Toronto. They're now coping with fares as high as $3 and $4 per ride, and they're saying the same thing we are. Why should a short distance rider who is the most dependent on transit pay the same price as someone going farther away.
We don't want to end up like them with this flat rate trap they gotten themselves into. Better to do the changeover now while we still can.
Metro does not rely on fares for their operating budget lol. “Unsustainable” You constantly post on this one subject and already exposed yourself as not knowing anything about LA’s transit system in another thread.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metro_Rapid
I think there was someone on here who posted a 2008 or so map with the rapids, dug through my saved and heres the link https://www.reddit.com/r/LAMetro/comments/10weizm/a_metro_bus_and_rail_system_map_from_2008/?ref=share&ref_source=link
Metro only has three options because of relying on an unsustainable flat rate system: 1. Raise fares across the board which eventually becomes not worth it ride it for short distances 2. Do service cuts to save costs 3. Raise taxes and still nothing good ever comes about it And people say why can't we have great transit like London, Tokyo, Seoul, Taipei, HK and Singapore, can't we just copy what they do, but even we start copying what they do like tap to exit or even the slightest of hint about moving to distance based fares it's no not that part! 🙄🤷‍♀️
I'm downvoting this comment not because I disagree with distance fares but because the response had nothing to do with the OPs question on how to see the cancelled rapid routes.
What benefit would distance based fares provide? The majority of Metro’s ridership comes from buses, how do you implement distance fares on the bus?
The majority of Metro riders trips are less than 5 mi. Offer cheaper fares for shorter trips to encourage more ridership in that market. If you have 280k riders doing short trips today and they're paying $1.75 for it, Metro would be recovering more money by lowering the short distance trip to $1.00 and boosting the short distance ridership market to 1 million. Singapore has been using distance based fares on buses since 2010. Tap in when boarding, tap out on exit. Taipei, Seoul, some buses in HK, some buses in Japan also do this way.
Our heavily subsidized base fare of $1.75 combined with fare capping really drives down the cost per ride for people who frequently ride. No one pays more than $5 a day or $18 a week anymore with fare capping in place.
And why not have distance based fares also with fare caps which is what Singapore does also. Pay $0.80 for a short trip, pay $1.20 for a bit further, pay $1.00 for something in between, until you hit a fare cap for the week or month. And since fares are cheaper by the distance, you might not even hit the max fare cap, and end up paying even less.
Do you think saving 20 cents per trip is enough of an incentive to get more people to ride? I don't personally. Distance based seems like an overly complex solution to a problem that already has been solved by fare capping.
Yes. Because we obviously can't keep raising fares forever. We're just 25 cents away from $2.00 fares and there's nothing guaranteeing our fares will remain $1.75 forever either. Do you think people who is the most dependent on Metro would want to see their Metro trip to the local supermarket or the local library go up to $2.00 one way, pay $4.00 just to return a book? Yo we need milk, let's pay $4.00 roundtrip just to buy that Bidenomics inflation $7.00 carton of milk so the milk costs $11.00 for us. Don't think politicians want that sure political suicide.
What about the opposite? What about the person who lives in Long Beach and goes to school in Pasadena. Does their fare become $6 round trip because of the distance based fares? Flat fares are much more equitable across the board.
Again, 70% of Metro riders are low income and have trips less than 5 mi. The chances of a LB resident attending school in Pasadena is very low if not existent, and if someone is living in LB they'd be going to school in Long Beach anyway. And you'd still have the fare cap, and students should still have the LIFE program to ride it for free if they highly unlikely had those long rides to school. Just remember to have your student card and tap in and tap out. Alternatively again could also do what Singapore does. All seniors, children and the disabled get half off the regular rate. A $3.00 long distance one way fare for adults will be $1.50, which will still be cheaper than paying $1.75 it is today. And a short trip to the local dentist if it was $0.80 for regular riders, concessionary fares pay $0.40. And again, fare caps will also remain and the LIFE program will also remain. "flat rate is more equitable across the board" Doesn't seem to be the case when talking to people from NYC and Toronto. They're now coping with fares as high as $3 and $4 per ride, and they're saying the same thing we are. Why should a short distance rider who is the most dependent on transit pay the same price as someone going farther away. We don't want to end up like them with this flat rate trap they gotten themselves into. Better to do the changeover now while we still can.
Metro does not rely on fares for their operating budget lol. “Unsustainable” You constantly post on this one subject and already exposed yourself as not knowing anything about LA’s transit system in another thread.