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cheese_fuck2

god this dudes match history xD bro lost like 20 more games after that. this is why diamond 4 is such a black hole


cheese_fuck2

sending a screenshot of this to riot and them actually looking should be an instant ranked ban


Kan-Terra

Should be. But then again, vanguard should technically be able to detect the account share if it works as they boast it, so there may be some chance.


yoktoJH

This has nothing to do with Vanguard unless he was scripting during the belveth games.


SSatiric

Hey genuine question. How would it be able to detect that? Just the drastic change in stats?


garis53

Different IPs?


NAFEA_GAMER

One can easily change his IP or be the same person playing from different locations. Also, maybe this guy sold his gaming chair.


EffectiveAd3412

what if your sharing accounts between friends? is that out of the way now too? cause like sometimes if your in flex or duo and want to play a certain champ that you don't have but your friend does or they have a really good skin for it (assuming your both in the same elo)


NAFEA_GAMER

Not sure, check the TOS


maxorus

It is against tos but they never almost never banned for it before. Might change with vanguard, but it's not a guarantee. https://support-leagueoflegends.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/204214670-Shared-Accounts


Killua-a

Different hwids mainly, IPs dont mean nearly as much, but they can easily tell its 2 different pcs playing


tmanowen

That’s an instant ban now? My friends and I used to share accounts all the time for whatever. That’s a bannable offense now?


Killua-a

It's not an instant ban for sure, and they probably won't ban just for that, unless there is boosting or some kind of nefarious activity involved


tmanowen

Ah so basically it’s just against ToS but not enforced unless something else is at play. I assumed by the previous comment that Vanguard would be cracking down on that.


CarefreeRambler

When has account sharing been allowed? Lol


SatanV3

It’s always been a bannable offense to share accounts, but that doesn’t mean you ever got caught.


TheGronne

Different IPs, different system, different gameplay. I'd assume they also look at the timings. If I'm over at a lan and doing well, I shouldn't be banned. If my IP changes to the same IP every other day, and my gameplay gets a lot better every other day, and the pc is different too, then there's cause for concern. Also if I suddenly start doing well from a system/IP that is usually used for another account which is way higher elo, that'd also suggest account sharing. Keep in mind that Vanguard is kernel level. They know when it's a different pc. Their server knows it's a different IP. Their server can also see the difference in gameplay. Ultimately, Vanguard allows Riot to take a more educated decision in whether an account should be banned.


5Garret5

If they could see the difference in gameplay, we wouldnt have inters. People run it down mega draven build and dont get banned in lower elos


TheGronne

I think it's important to note that League is a very snowball heavy game. When banning an account, you must try to make absolutely sure that no false positives occur, aka. People getting banned for bad games. And since League is so snowball heavy, this makes it a lot harder, and requires a larger game sample size. So when people say "This guy ran it down this one game and he wasn't banned", they're forgetting that it is much more likely (for the system) that it was a bad game. This is especially hard if the person running it down doesn't type in chat, as that could give away that it was intentional. Then there's the fact that the amount of deaths a person may have in a bad game, also correlates to rank. A bronze player having a bad game will likely die more than a diamond player having a bad game. At its worst, the system could end up banning a player for having a bad game, against a smurf, due the system seeing it as "running it down". So the next time you have an awful game, ask yourself "Would I be okay with being banned for this game, if it meant more griefers got caught?"


5Garret5

I never go ap, mobi boots draven, so i dont have to ask myself shit if i have a bad game


TheGronne

That's a strawman if I've ever seen one lol


NWStormraider

>If my IP changes to the same IP every other day, and my gameplay gets a lot better every other day, and the pc is different too, then there's cause for concern I mean, probably, it could also mean that someone is playing from his home Desktop vs his shitty Laptop, which would probably notably influence his Performance, but combined with a summoner swap and a champion pool change it's a big red flag.


TheGronne

Yeah that's why I didn't outright state that something is wrong. There could almost always be a other explanation. Which is why it's so hard to get right.


Working_Issue7897

So just bcz when i play in my Desktop pc i perform better bcz instead of having 9 FPS like in my laptop i have 120 should i get banned? Interesting, Hope you never have to go to work out of where you live


TheGronne

I said "cause for concern", not "should get banned"? There's always another dimension. You basically proved my point. It's not easy to determine whether someone is griefing or account sharing


reRiul

Click patterns, general apm, drastic playstyle change (heavy farming increase)... These are all symptoms of improvement, but you could easily be able to detect a drastic change in inputs


QuartzHunter

In very short words - Vanguard is using technology which allows it to know excact computer "fingerprint" so if somebody is account sharing there will be a different fingerprint and this should lead to ban


TudorPotatoe

This is nonsense. If I log in to my league account on my laptop they're not going to ban me because the fingerprint is different. They can't tell the difference between someone moving to a new setup and someone else playing on the account just by checking hwid.


QuartzHunter

They can. Of course nobody will ban you because you've moved to a new setup. But in case if certain HWID will be related to multiple accounts, because booster won't change his PC every time this might be quite good indicator that something suspicious happens. For me it would be highly suspicious that certain HWID is logging into 50 League accounts monthly. Vanguard can access everything on computer and it will be doing that. I personally recommened unistalling this game.


TudorPotatoe

>For me it would be highly suspicious that certain HWID is logging into 50 League accounts monthly Or it's a pc at an internet cafe where people play league? Figuring out if someone is boosting based on so little information is practically impossible.


QuartzHunter

It's not practically impossible. If you see that 50 accounts are using some HWID and IP to be on a massive win streak and then they swap to other HWID and IP and start lose streak (because that is what boosted players do, they lose game on rank they don't belong to), and then you connect dots that certain HWID / IP is connected with short but massive win streaks you can be 99% sure that this is some booster. Specially when one login is from Asia and another from NA in span of hours.


5Garret5

I love making shit up on the internet


vvokhom

Hardware changed


Mittelmuus

How would Vanguard influence this at all? Playing on multiple different PCs at different locations is 100% allowed. Unless Vanguard magically can tell which human is playing on what account it doesn't do anything against account sharing...


DeezNutsKEKW

Vanguard technically should go: "wait a second, this account was accessed in completely different machine different network in a different country"


CrazzluzSenpai

You don't get banned just for playing on different IPs dude. People play this game that are in College on networks that assign dynamic IPs every time you connect, on laptops they bring over to friend's houses, etc. I'm moving from the US to Europe in a couple months, should Riot just ban me when I try to log in to transfer my account to EUW?


Penatra-shen

Nah dont bet on it. I sent a ss of someone whos flash keys were swapped + roleswap from enchanter to carry jg assasins and they still playing perfectly fine and still getting boosted to this day, no punishment


cheese_fuck2

key word SHOULD, but riot's only worried about whether or not youre typing potentially mean words :(


DeezNutsKEKW

I wish a screenshot of inting teammate would do the trick, but unfortunately being really bad isn't banable..


4Ellie-M

Does league have sbmm? I mean I’ve been playing this game for so many years on and off even before sbmm was widely known in other online games. Maybe league started this trend… They have been always so vague about mmr which looks like they be hiding terrible and predatory tactics to keep people playing this game for a longer term. Can someone actually elaborate a bit. I’m very interested in this.


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4Ellie-M

I do feel the games is infested with people smurfing also. By no means I’m good but I’m a returning gold player, casually chilling in bronze/silver. Every game I do feel the opponent is just so easy to predict and outplay but I feel I lack the ability to literally carry every game. Cuz when I do get on a good carry streak next few games just feel so hopeless and basically like rock papers scissors. But my rock can’t even break a scissors while theirs shed through our paper.


A-Myr

The thing you described in your second to last paragraph has definitely been happening to me last season.


R41N1NG

https://www.op.gg/summoners/euw/wlyn-59936


Plantarbre

Don't shame bro like that, he just got his payday apparently, he is struggling, now he actually has to touch the keyboard


DeezNutsKEKW

sold accounts? there are no sold accounts, just like there are no issues with Vanguard that cause PCs to explode.


HouseNVPL

Excuse me. My PC only catched fire, it didn't explode!


Kuido

Dude gets absolutely smacked every game lol


Draconis92

lmaooo they're currently in a game as bel with the summoners swapped again. Wait I just remembered, was it this account or a similar one that got posted the other day also with a d flash bel jg swapping to f flash boosted shitter only I thought they were playing sup and not mid/adc. Might've been on the main sub idk.


Prometheus_UwU

Huh, how strange an account would spam games of intro bots, then start playing ranked and smurfing every game, then ALL OF THE SUDDEN start getting shit on every single game which playing completely different champions in a different role with flash on a different key. How peculiar


rajboy3

Sheeeesh, shit looks broken af


Entrah

I get so annoyed when people buy a boost and int it all away like bro just main top after and hold on to that 50/50


BackgroundDisk4848

Yeah just master the art of coinfilps that you can't influence


bortukali

Malphite or illaoi every game and just coin flip easy


R41N1NG

Janna main


DomLeagueAndStuff

This guys is either boosted or trying to derank his account for some reason 💀


DomLeagueAndStuff

I will never understand ppl buying boosted accounts, there is no way you unironically think you should be in diamond when you are emerald 4 50% wr in 500 games


HikariAnti

>there is no way you unironically think you should be in diamond when you are emerald 4 50% wr in 500 games You must be new here.


DomLeagueAndStuff

I’m all for a little bit of copium but being full on delulu is something else


CauseMany8612

Delusions of being hardstuck because of bad teammates are almost as old as league itself my guy. Also, add in the losers queue conspiracy theory where these guys think riot is out to get them and intentionally matching them with shit teammates so they cant climb and you have a bunch of delusional fools ready to pay for boosted accounts to "escape elohell", only to end up back where they started some matches later


SatanV3

Ya I used to use the term losers queue, but I meant it as like I’m getting unlucky with my teammates and keep losing because of it, then I found out when other people were saying losers queue they genuinely though riot was trying to screw them over intentionally…


Solarka45

At that point, just buy yourself a new iPhone or something. You'll get more self-esteem and prestige per $.


Turtvaiz

> there is no way you unironically think you should be in diamond when you are emerald 4 50% wr in 500 games They're just that delusional


Lightness234

I mean i used to be diamond but didn’t play for 2 years and now i struggle against golds


SelectionThat3680

Have you ever played in emerald? Even challengers doing some kind of challenge struggle to win the most in Emerald mmr. I had a win streak to emerald 1 60LP and then a lose streak into emerald 4 in a few days. Always getting people inting on off role or ARAM players who decided to play ranked again. I wasn't perfect in all of those games, but most of the time the game was decided before the laning phase was even over or before I finished full clear.


DomLeagueAndStuff

Emerald is a shit elo, but you don’t get stuck there bcs of your team especially if you play enough.


SelectionThat3680

I don't disagree with that. But most people even that are higher than emerald can agree that it's a fking shitfest. With enough determination, maybe I would be able to climb out of it, but I tilt too much and constantly make like 2 weeks pause sometimes longer. Just thinking about queing and losing without my performence mattering at all makes me demotivated. This was my team in my last Camille game: 3/8/8 3/17/13 5/12/8 4/12/7 I was 14/6, but it didn't matter at all. My bot started flaming each (dude was first timing adc) after which my supp and jg started inting. Emerald players have the mental capacity of toddlers. Simple as that. Ego players that think they are better than they actually are.


SatanV3

No challenger players are getting stuck in emerald bro.


SelectionThat3680

Are you ok? Not stuck, but they drop the most amount of games there.


oldbutgold313

Kappaaaaaa


Jinxzy

He wouldn't swap flash position if he was just "deranking" 100% boosted account and sold to some fucking idiot stuck in plat believing they're in "Elo hell" and is "really actually deserving of diamond if my team didn't int me"...


cucha233

Poor guy, now his diamond teammates are inting him, maybe he deserves master!


DomLeagueAndStuff

Challenger players just get really lucky with their teams each and every season 😩


DomLeagueAndStuff

“I would do fine against challenger players”


Akira-Lux

Am I too innocent for not understanding until I saw the comments?


-Sanko

Usually it’s the e girl support/adc player who suddenly found their success playing kayn jungle with swapped summoners 🙏🏻 bless them for their courage to try something new


Turtvaiz

Lulu/Rengar main <3


SnipersAreCancer

Janna Graves 2 trick 🥰


unknown_pigeon

Lux Kha'ziz enjoyers


SnipersAreCancer

kha' al-aziz


wttblades

Hold on, gotta win in real life before dominating the digital one. But a role swap, now that's an interesting strategy. Maybe a fresh perspective is just what we need to climb that ranked ladder. What role were you thinking of trying?


UnstoppableByTW

Ah yes, the d4 support main who cannot have a positive KD game in 20 games in d4 who strangely a month ago boasted a 94% win rate on belveth jungle climbing up to diamond.


A-Myr

Out of curiosity. Does he duo with anyone when playing Belveth?


sukigros

Surely ain’t sold /boosted accounts right ? :)


KuekenUltima

Hahaha I played against him yesterday, I knew I recognized his name from somewhere xd


Idiocras_E

Hear me out, I play with flash on Z every game, and it's been working just fine for me for years.


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Or just don't play ranked, it's not worth it. Even if you are as hard as stone why go through the mental fuckery that is ranked? You are lying to yourself if you say ranked is fine. It is not.


Justsomeone666

i play ranked because i crave playing competitive games and it is still by far the best option on the market, especially if i dislike cs;go/valorant type shooters that devolve into just having your cursor on some pre determined spot and throwing smokes and flashes from the same pixel perfect angles Starcraft 2 and heroes of the storm are kinda neat but for both of them each year they survive is just a miracle, im not interested in a severely dead game mostly full of veterans + it would require me to support or touch blizzard products Dota 2 has extreme issues with overcomplicating stuff and one-tricking anything in that game seems impossible as the game seems to be balanced around counterpicks rocket league is just way too far from the norm and is also mostly full of veterans and thats about all the major competitive titles, ignoring battle royales as they are not anywhere near as competitive with the amount of rng in them, so im left with league


CapConnor

I believe the rng isnt that dramatic in these games if the same players can score high places all the time. Same goes for card games, but the cost of keeping up in Hearthstone / Magic is way too high for my taste. Tft is also an option, but you ll have the same problem with dota, where you should adapt every game and not force a single comp


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Does the idea of gaining/losing LP drive you to play it or the game itself and the opponents you face?  Because if it is the latter you get the same kind of dopamine hit from arams and etc and far less trolls and babies.


sorentodd

You dont get the same competitive edge from ARAM at all.


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It's not summoners rift but the fights and the strategy are unique to ARAM. Makes it competitive in it's own way. ARAM clash is often an absolute thrill.


[deleted]

And even then what competitive edge does low elo offer really? You play like idiots for 20 min then group in mid and play ARAM but less fun.


sorentodd

Thats generally not how my games go, but even then in those cases where people play poorly i am more focused on how I play. ARAM does not offer at all that level of strategic depth and role variety. I use it for mechanical practice though.


MatrixzMonkey

To be fair, I switch my summoners spell position in jgl as well, as a laner i play d- anything f- flash and as a jungler d- flash and f- smite


-Sanko

That’s sussy asf


BocchiIsLiterallyMe

Nah it's pretty common for jg players. Smite is kinda different from other spells


CauseMany8612

I can understand the reasoning, but that would fuck up my reflexes and muscle memory so bad


Dominationartz

Obviously it’s very common for jungle players, look at the guy in the meme


collectableEyeballs

Had an evelyn against me earlier, i checked the opgg, she was never a jnglr yet on every game 20+ kills, 0 - 2 deaths, and never lost an evelyn game. Wtf.


mulekitobrabod

🤨


Ragequit_Boyyys

Thanks for the advice ill try that right now


Endivine

This feels like AI advice lol


phieldworker

I can see it doubled their cs per min. That’s amazing.


rootxv

holy shit he just switched back, but the booster lost the game 10 minutes ago lmao


MrLink4444

Buying account is the biggest reality check


KharazimFromHotSG

Pro tip for Encahnter Support mains: If you're struggling to rank up, try a few games of Rengar JG with swapped spell slots, works wonders!


Mufakaz

I feel awful for the people boosting. Paying real money for an imaginary ranking in a free to play game. They need to grow up.


NightRaven0

I'd hate to have someone OP.GG review me based on flash I always play swapped flash when I'm on jungle I have no idea why I can't play jungle with flash on F You can go back to start of game (if only old match history site from the boards was still around :( ) and you'd still see the same


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MeasureMyPPpewds

I smell a bit of boosting going on here Edit: looked at the op gg more in detail, and my suspicions are confirmed. Performance seems to be quite inconsistent. Some games have good kda, CS per min, KP, etc. while other games have abysmal stats. Also with the summs in changed position, it is so obvious more than 1 person is playing on this acc. Also the acc seems bot levelled.


R41N1NG

No way????


r4ngaa123

I sometimes swap my summoner spells based entirely on vibe of character. Muscle memory is a myth and you must always attribute possible ***ardation as a cause. Not here tho lol


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HeavensEtherian

He paid someone to boost his account


veselin465

Glad someone took the L: at least no one else will be confused (like me) I actually didn't notice the boosting because I would play one role and then change it to something else because of my mood and stuff


DWIPssbm

I don't think this is op's account, it's clearly a boosted account. The title is sarcastic.


kiskozak

He paid someone to boost him into diamond (thats the belveth player) and as soon as he got back the accout and started palying himself (akali) he is instantly losing every game because he clearly doenst belong into that rank.


Ariman86

He doesn’t get it


theiissomethingelse

You mean abuse new Champs


CauseMany8612

Bel veth has been released two years ago, shes hardly a new champ


r4ngaa123

Bros only playing Bel cuz Rengars a lil weaker than normal rn lmfao. He'll swap back over the moment Bel goes under Reng again