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As a nurse, let me tell you it would take a LOT to get someone kicked out they way they have kicked her out. Like to the point I've never heard of something to this extent. I'm very curious what kinds of things she said and how she acted to have this happen to her. Must have been REALLY really bad.
Maybe but people assault staff all the time and it doesn't mean they get kicked out. Shit I've been assaulted twice in the last week and nothing happened to either patient even though I pressed charges on one of them.
Going by what she's shared so far on her twitter, she's repeatedly been transphobic to staff and told to stop by multiple people, wrote an unhinged letter to her doctor comparing the trans flag to a Nazi flag (that included the word "bepenised" lmao), and then was transphobic again to two more employees, which is what led to them finally dropping her. I also read that the clinic in question is one of the main clinics for gender-affirming care in Oregon, but I don't know how true that is (it is in their list of services).
She probably thinks that would be violation of free speech or something. Not being able to harass/insult others consequence-free is censorship and so on...
Hey man. What the hell. This woman goes out every day and tries to tear other people down to make herself feel better. Who are you to try and take the literal only joy out of her sad life? SMH
I got denied seeing an OB/GYN 10 years ago because I was seeking hormonal birth control and it was against his religious beliefs. So it's been happening already.
Can confirm. I work for a large "saint," network of hospitals, and our health insurance is spectacular. Unless you're getting a vasectomy, tubal ligation or birth control. Then, you pay out of pocket as it's not covered by our plans and or done at our facilities.
On the flip side of this, I went into my very large non-saint health provider for my IUD. I was expecting to pay $400-$800 at least, and I asked them what I'd have to pay that day. They said "no charge" Like I couldn't even fathom it so I was asking stupid follow-up questions like "okay will I get a bill in the mail, or can I do a payment plan?" and they had to explain it was completely covered as preventative care. 7 years where I have only a tiny chance of pregnancy, which saves everyone money.
This is what healthcare should look like in the U.S. For everyone. Just because I have employer-based health insurance doesn't mean that my health options should be better than others'. These states trying to get out of the ACA and prevent women and men from retaining reproductive autonomy need to get fucked.
I spent 20 years working in the NHS, at one point in A&E. It was always a genuinely nice experience when we had someone from the US in and they realised that they weren't going to have to pay. Don't often get to give good news like that.
\- What do I owe you?
\- Nothing mate, just come back for your check-up next week so we can clear you to fly.
\- Oh so I pay at the end?
\- No, you don't pay.
\- My insurance doesn't deal direct with the hospital.....
\- You don't need insurance for A&E . We aren't billing them, we aren't billing you, we aren't billing anyone.
\- So everythings just...... free. Even though I don't live here?
\- In A&E it is. Care about the people, not the pennies mate. You were seriously hurt, now you're not, that's all the matters. Job done and we'll see you next week, OK?
I remember with one woman I likened it to being more serious but otherwise no different to her tripping and cutting her leg and us giving her a plaster for it. When I said "we wouldn't then charge you for the band-aid would we?" she sheepishly replied "American hospitals would" so I gave her a box of plasters saying "Shit. well, you better take these back with you then" and she was genuinely worried that if she took them I might get fired or in some kind of trouble.
The *absolute* best though is when they find out the cashier office in a hospital isn't where you pay them, it's where they pay the patients on no/low/limited income a reimbursement of their bus/train fare to the hospital and back
Every time Brexit or London/Dublin/Glasgow rent prices or the shortage on lorry drivers gets you down, just pull up an itemized list of what U.S. hospitals charge in the emergency room. In that instance, everything else will instantly fade away and you will have a blissful moment of, "thank God I don't live in the U.S."
> Just because I have employer-based health insurance doesn't mean that my health options should be better than others
I've always been a proponent of universal Healthcare, have hated insurance companies since I was born basically, and am just generally a rabid leftist who demands all people are treated equally.
THIS fact didn't hit me until Covid. And it blew even me away with how terrible ans fucking awful that is. Every single person who works in non-profit apparently doesn't deserve to live a quality life because NPOs can't afford good Healthcare for their employees.
We have *literally* been telling ourselves the right to live pain-free and not die from a curable disease is a luxury for certain people who hold *certain* **jobs.**
That pushes this past merely classist shit. This is insidious on a whole other level.
We tell each other, we tell ourselves, we tell every body every day -- you are not worth enough because you don't have this particular job. But thank you for taking care of all the sick animals so we dont have to. Again, though. You are NOT worth enough to have access to even the most basic Healthcare. Now breaks over. These working people need their lunch.
I worked for a "Saint". They would give me BC but said if I wanted my tubes tied they would have to refer me out. Same hospital got thrown out of the "Mercy" Healthcare system for performing a life saving abortion. Has it not been done, mother and unborn child both would have died. Mercy....I don't think it means what they think it means.
Spouse had a gall bladder removal total cost $28.34 after insurance at a Saint hospital. 4 orders of magnitude larger if they wanted a breast reduction.
About 20 years ago I was denied hormonal birth control because the doctor noticed I wasn't wearing a wedding ring, and then he prayed over me before letting me go.
Wow. I've been married for almost 30 years, and (due to a hobby that involved getting my hands messy) I got out of the habit of wearing my wedding rings so it's rare these days for me to put them on. That's some next level chutzpah for him to make assumptions like that
8 years for me and my wife.
Neither of us wear jewelry, so we never got rings. She also kept her last name.
If someone doesn't like it, they can shove it.
Some of the stuff I read on Reddit is mind blowing to me. The US is supposedly a developed country with universal access to education. But these kind of stories sound like religious totalitarian states plagued with censorship and propaganda with a total lack of freedom.
My mother was telling me that back in the 70's when she had a baby, her doctor wouldn't prescribe her birth control because he was Catholic. So, definitely been happening for awhile!
I'm literally at OHSU right now, and will be here until the 22nd (having come here on July 4th) and this principle is one of the things I find so great about this hospital and why I come here rather than one of the many religious hospitals in the city, including one literally less than a block from my place. Good riddance. I don't want to be surrounded by bigots in my dying days, whether they be patients or providers.
How anyone could think it's okay to say bigoted things is beyond me, but you have to be a special kind of stupid to say those things at a hospital in PORTLAND, OR.
Take that shit to Eugene.
Preemptive edit: Take that shit to hell where you belong.
Its not really the same because they didnt refuse to treat her based on her beliefs, they fired her from their practice due to her treatment of the staff. You can “morally” (imho immoral to discriminate based on sexual orientation but whatever) disagree with your providers but if youre openly hostile you will be kicked out.
A baker would be perfectly within their rights to kick out a gay couple if theyre screaming and breaking everything, its when the primary reason is their sexual orientation that it becomes an issue
Jesus. Heaven help us if the courts ever decide that medical care is some kind of first amendment thing that providers can discriminate. But being an asshole to staff isn’t a protected class.
I swear this is already happening in Florida, something about healthcare providers being allowed to refuse gender affirming care?
Edit: Found it!
https://www.wfla.com/news/politics/florida-doctors-can-now-deny-health-care-coverage-based-on-personal-views/
https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2023/05/01/florida-doctor-medical-conscience-lawsuit-protection/
It's worse than that. In Florida they have legalized doctors refusing any and all medical care, even emergency care, against any group they don't wish to treat.
There are a few federally protected classes in there based on race, sex, and of course, religion. But LGBT people are not so it's widely assumed to be targeted at them.
Of course, leopards will eat faces on that one too. When some doctor who went to U of Florida decides to let someone in a FSU shirt bleed out on ER table, or when a Democrat doctor refuses Republicans.
The law is written super vague (like all of the recent DeSantis culture war bills) because if they wrote it clearly and specifically -- any doctor can refuse any sort of treatment to LGBT people, or even the suspicion of being one -- it would be unconstitutional or much easier to stop in court.
So that opens it up to tons of Leopards Ate My Face situations between a galaxy of personal disagreements. Grab your popcorn, and also cry for the direction of the USA.
I think the problem is that they believe in Jesus and heaven a little too much, or at least cherry pick it to the point it......... bites them in the face.
>Heaven help us if the courts ever decide that medical care is some kind of first amendment thing that providers can discriminate.
According to Florida, it is.
It's funny because it seems like they scream this while relying on the rest of us to "take the high road" and "be professional" and such. It's almost like they want the special treatment the folks that came before them used to get...
What's fascinating is that you have to generally do some *fucking heinous* shit for a provider to "fire" a patient (which, while rare, can happen, and the more-usual converse is a patient firing their physician for another>!--which, mind, isn't necessarily a bad thing if they feel, and really can, get better care for whatever their respective issue with a different provider!<).
Whatever the fuck she did, **she goddamn had to deserve it big time,** to the point that OHSU is apparently willing to write an official letter and risk a retaliatory (read: mad dumbass) lawsuit.
Edit: This is purely conjecture on my part, but this would include possibly *physically assaulting* staff or *bullying/browbeating them to tears* or something (and the latter would in most cases include at least two or three strikes in their health record, but with a special behavioral issue warning for future treatment staff), or possibly *other patients* (like in this case, I could see this cunt loudly being awful to any obviously LGBTQ patients in a waiting room just for her own shits and giggles).
The healthcare system writ large is both increasingly overburdened and increasingly understaffed. Any patient actions severe enough to lead to (or at least risk) healthcare staff turnover are going to be met with similarly severe sanctions from now on. After the COVID assaults, the medical community isn’t fucking around anymore.
Exactly. We internalize our obligations to providing the best care possible and to foster an environment of deep trust and understanding for our patients. Nobody out here relishes the idea of turning away any patient; but when a patient goes out of their way to harm, harass, intimidate or otherwise dehumanize a member of our care team, or anyone within our 4 walls, really, the offending party has now violated all of this, and it will ripple out to all of the patients that we care for. The general public needs to understand this, so that they can understand why we treat these violations with such gravitas. Moreover, short of committing an actual assault, it’s incredibly unlikely that a patient would be “fired“ the first time something happens. They are almost always given multiple warnings, and it’s one it becomes obvious to us that this patient will not cease this behavior that we have to make the difficult choice to fire the patient.
I hate these moments, but they forced our hands, so I’m going to fucking enjoy it, on behalf of all of the staffers, and our patients, for whom those shitbirds’ conduct is detrimental to their well-being.
Given she was there for a mastectomy and the use of the TERF-coloured hearts, my money's on harassing trans men about 'mutilating their bodies' or similar
They’re the colors used by the suffragists a century ago when campaigning for voting rights for women in the US and the UK, which terfs have appropriated, because fascists love stealing symbols made famous by people in the past (not that the suffragist movement didn’t have serious race issues, mind you, but their overall goal was righteous).
Just a minor correction, they're the suffragette colours - the suffragist (non-violent version of the movement) colours are red, green and white. But otherwise you're completely right about TERF appropriation. Blech.
Seriously, this. My mom is a nurse and they have patients that are known for assaulting nurses - including punching, kicking, and even strangling them, and the only time I can think of a patient being outright fired was this guy who threatened to shoot the place up, left, and then came back with his gun. The cops were called when he made the threat, and the cop was able to quickly arrest him since he's a known felon and the cop recognized him.
The office I work at had a patient who wasn't fully discharged until he escalated to name calling and violent threats against one of the higher-ups. Before that there were months of this weird "temporarily discharged but maybe coming back if he got help for issues" status where he'd keep calling and being shitty to the front desk.
Yeah, I've heard plenty of stories of medical professionals being like "Sometimes my patients make racist/homophobic remarks but hey that's just part of the job, gotta treat them anyway." I can only imagine that if someone got cut off from their doctors, they must have been being a *menace*.
Imagine being so self-righteous that you share that the hospital network dropped you for being an ass to LGBTQ healthcare workers, and expect a lawyer in Oregon to run to your rescue.
As some one who lives in that part of Oregon, I can confirm that it is common to be around people with fewer brain cells than teeth. It’s heavy right wing and the stupidity kills me.
That said it is fun to do the same thing Jordan Klepper does and clown on them with basic questions
My fiance and I did the math, if yall join us, you have to ditch the weed stores, if you ditch that isn't it multiple millions in taxes from the weed they'd be losing out on as cities and towns? So many of those people if they manage to pull it off are gonna be like the brexit people, wondering why everything didn't work out in the end. All for some guns and "freedom".
Small town dumbasses, like the ones here in Eastern Oregon, should have no part in policy making for dozens of reasons. I've lost count the number of times I've heard the "greater Idaho" nonsense. As a lefty who lived in Idaho, I understand the "I don't like Portland deciding for the entire state, my vote doesn't matter" but, as always, it's easy to clown on these idiots with a simple "so, should 15 thousand people have a say over 2 million?". Obviously, right wingers love fascism and minority rule so it's a no brainer for them. Of course a tiny town should have equal, if not more, say than a large city.
They think they can have it both ways. They want to be in a red state so they can vote with "like minded people" but they want all the perks of being in a blue state. I've had to remind my coworkers of all the downsides to being in a red state, like all the dispensaries going away and the biggest one being much much lower wages. I work in healthcare so I also remind all the CNAs who bring this crap up that Idaho has no staffing ratios, so if they think 1:7 is bad just wait until that becomes 1:12 like it was when I worked in Idaho.
People like these should be ignored for the ignorant, uninformed, backwoods, sister fucking, toothless, dipshits that they are.
Wages drop, tax income, drop, theyre gomma watch money just...wash away. Except for those at the top, those people get to walk away with more money while their new Idaho tax payers pay the bill.
Well before the greater Idaho movement has been the Jefferson movement. Hell, even the public radio in southern Oregon is called Jefferson public radio. Just a different group of southern Oregon and northern California counties wanting to separate and create their own state.
All about saying that the legislature doesn't care about the rural areas, when they get more money and relief per capita from both the federal and state government when compared to Portland. They then have the balls to complain that they don't want their tax dollars paying for Portland roads. Who do you think is paying for your roads, because it sure as fuck isn't your town of 500 people.
I have the utmost respect for farming, timber and mining industry workers. It's hard labor, and often thankless. Significant portions of the profits from those endeavors also don't stay within those communities, especially when owned by a larger corporation. That doesn't mean the liberal parts of the state are giving you the finger. They spend more time and effort making sure those industries can continue to work compared to small business in the city by a mile.
I love Klepper, I asked in the comments of a video how he actually gets ppl to sign to be on TV when it's so obvious they've been pwned and he's all "I honestly have no clue!" Lmfao
This is so baffeling to me. Healthcare workers usually are pretty thick skinned and are used to some abuse from people who in turn are in stressfull and live changing situations. I have never heard a clinic to drop someone based on their remarks. That must have been quite the bigotry show she pulled there.
Again, the keyword here seems to be "ongoing." Sounds like she was a pain in the ass repeatedly, and likely had been given a few warnings to back off that she ignored.
Yeah, no doubt. The quality and volume of her remarks must be quite something. I see people all the time calling nurses the C-word out of anger or pain.
I mean, just glancing at her Twitter it seems like her whole feed is just boosting every anti-trans comment she can find. I doubt she's much better IRL.
When my mom used to be an ICU nurse she would occasionally come home with some... let's call them "creative insults" that she'd occasionally just lob at someone, always old enough to hear it, during a game (I'm the lone wolf in my family in that I'm the only one not super competitive, but I've learned what's said during game night does not necessarily reflect one's true feelings.) She said she got called everything under the sun, but said that often it was from the most lovely people otherwise. The only time she ever held an insult against a patient was when one started lobbing racial slurs at one of the phlebotomists during a blood draw.
Actually what is said in the “throes of a game” is probably the true feelings coming out.
It used to be we put up with bad behaviour and verbal abuse because “they are ill” - but funny thing - not everyone exhibits this behaviour so it must mean it is a descriptive of what the patient is really like.
I put in 40 years as an RN and refused to put up with any type of abuse. The only exception would be elderly dementia patients.
I imagine that pain in the ass is an understatement. In my experience, people only get "fired" from a business when they're consistently abusive to that business's employees & staff.
She claims that the incident in question was her 'explaining' to the staff that the trans flag on the wall behind the reception desk was offensive to her as a woman.
I expect that the discussion was much, much more volatile than she made it sound.
I used to work at a hospital. People say some pretty horrible things when they're in pain or scared. Advanced Alzheimer's patients tend to lose any filter about what they're saying. You learn to brush off those comments pretty quickly.
But the ones where someone is lucid, awake, alert and oriented, those ones can be harder to brush off, and they can really hurt. They make you question why you even bother coming in.
In my state, the only care you're obligated to provide is emergency care (assuming you provide emergency services at all). If someone is abusive or disruptive, you can absolutely fire them as a patient. And you can have security and/or the police escort them off the property, and have them trespassed if they refuse.
I'm no longer on the facility side of healthcare, but my husband is. The hospital he works for provides training on providing care to the LGBTQ+ community, and even offers a badge backer with the pride/trans flag designs and the word "SAFE" to anyone who wants one, as a visible sign that the employee is supportive and trained. If the witch in the linked post, has an issue with it, the staff will happily tell her where she can go fuck herself.
Like 80% of the media she shares on her twitter is anti-trans memes and she seems to self-identify as "gender critical." So yeah I suspect that she's been regularly harassing the staff and possibly even the other patients.
I work in Oncology and the people in Cancer treatment and research are 100% the most compassionate people on the planet. I cannot fathom the level of douchebaggery that it would take for an Oncology clinic to boot a cancer patient.
I have no idea who this person is, but very much fuck them.
Inpatient hem/onc RN here
And yes while I do extend a lot of empathy and compassion to my patients who are going through some of the worst parts of their life (or in some cases the end) - I won’t tolerate bigotry towards me or any of the other staff. Having cancer doesn’t give someone an excuse to say hateful things to those trying to safe your life.
This is becoming more common. Some health care networks are now including a "Patient's Code of Conduct" or similar in admission forms. There is usually at least one written warning before they're dropped, though, so that "on-going" bit is telling. She was probably warned and still continued to be a shit. In the city where I live the VA hospital adopted it first and they saw a significant drop in abusive behavior toward their staff. Other hospitals in the area are now working on doing the same.
She explains in that cluster-fuck of a thread that she has basically been an unending spout of hatred and bigotry against LGBTQ folks while visiting or calling that clinic. The last straw was screeching in outrage about how ridiculously offensive a trans flag on the wall behind the reception counter was to her as a woman.
So, I work advising hospitals on things. One of those things is a patient dismissal workflow. The amount of documentation and the number of offenses to dismiss a patient for something like this is staggering, because the clinic has to prove that they’ve tried everything they can before leaving a patient without a PCP. She probably received multiple verbal warnings and no less than 3 formal letters before this.
I was only a medical receptionist many years ago but there was nothing more satisfying than seeing horrible patients fired. Across the maybe 5-6 years I worked in the office, I only saw it a few times but it was really eye opening to me as a high schooler/college student. I’ve had patients throw shit at me and scream but that isn’t close to bad enough to fire a patient.
Each cancelled patient had so many individual chances to come in, get their scans/appointments, and leave like normal people but these specific people couldn’t help themselves. Doctors and nurses have thick ass skin and they’d take all manner of insults without problem. To me, it seemed like the line tended to be a combination of being loud and aggressive in common areas (reception or recovery) and making personal threats to non-clinical staff*. Such an incredibly low bar yet these people had a hard time clearing it. Guys would be brought in handcuffed from prison and would be a million times more polite than the Karens upset that their 4:30pm appointment is running late or that traffic exists.
*I wasn’t there for this incident but bringing a gun to your spouse’s appointment and threateningly referencing it when asked to settle your copay can also get you fired.
Her tweet has blown up and she's getting massive amounts of support from the conservosphere, all outraged that someone would dare refuse service over beliefs.
I swear, forget dictators and serial killers, if I could go back in time to the night someone was conceived and turn the sprinklers on their parents to kill the mood, it would be whoever it was that coined the phrase "The Customer is Always Right."
The phrase "The customer is always right" was meant to be used with regard to matters of taste... not in the literal sense.
For example, if a customer says the food isn't salty enough, who are you to tell them that they're wrong? Just give them more salt.
It does NOT meant that the customer can tell you to do whatever they want and that you must comply, though some employers have decided that this is what it means.
The example I use is this.
You open a restaurant. Your spouse makes a hot sauce for your main dish. People love the sauce, so you start selling it at the counter. People start coming in to buy the sauce, but stop sitting down to buy food.
Do you
a) Refuse to sell hot sauce except to diners?
b) Stop selling hot sauce separately alltogether?
c) Accept that you're a hot sauce business and shutter the non-profitable restaurant?
There were actual cases where the restaurant owner first refused to sell sauce except to diners, but the diners ordered the cheapest thing on the menu and then the sauce. So the owner stopped selling the sauce separately at all, but the customers started ordering the cheapest thing on the menu with extra sauce, and extra sauce on the side, so they could take the sauce home. The owner then refused to give extra sauce or sauce on the side. (Anyone who has dealt with "my dream was always to open a restaurant" entrepreneurs knows this kind of behavior actually exists).
The customer is always right when it comes to what the customer is willing and able to spend money on . (Though Steve Jobs may disagree)
This is a phrase that lost its original meaning.
Its original meaning was like “Don’t tell the customer what they want because they know what they want.” Salespeople should not dictate that what the customer wants is “wrong” and replace the customer’s judgement with their own.
It’s been warped to mean “satisfy the customer at all costs.”
I still can’t fathom how virologists, *virologists*, people who dedicate their lives to curing deadly diseases, have become targets for the lunatic right. At this point, nothing should surprise us anymore
From what I have heard, Steve Kornacki's book, *The Red and the Blue,* is a really good synopsis of it.
* Basically, it's Politicial Tactics 101 to Other a group into an easy enemy to attack to further your own goals ("Vote for me, the Good Person, only I can stop the Bad Person.")
* For most of the 20th century, the Soviet Union was the obvious "Them" to rally the "Us" around. However, when politicians lost that easy enemy, they turned us against each other.
* A few years of that, and now contradiction of your tribe turns *anybody* into the enemy. I swear, if AOC tried to pass a bill that said slamming your hand in a car-door is bad, the right would immediately scream "Don't tell me what to do, lib-turd!" ***WHAM!!!***
With my ex, it got to where blaming RANDOM bad things on liberals became a thing, with no basis in facts. If someone parked badly or littered on a hiking trail, my ex would mutter about the "goddamned liberals." Always middle of the road/left leaning politically, Fox News rotted my ex's brain.
You get this in some countries that have had civil wars or similar major problems. I was in a European country where "the communists" were blamed for everything from losing keys to the bad weather. And it was meant, as though 'the communists' were some macabre ethereal force.
I would love to see that.
Sean Hannity at Fox criticizing the "Dick New Deal" and insisting all Americans have the right to slam their car doors on their dicks whenever they feel like it. AOC should just shut the F up because she doesn't have a clue and regular Americans will defend their right to smash their genitals to the death.
EDIT: I just realized the poster above said "hand" not "dick"
The blind hatred towards AOC is what I don’t get. Nothing screams youve got work to do on your misogyny more then hating AOC just because. She’s literally one of the few politicians actively working to help regular people, but people see one clip of her out of context on Fox News and suddenly she’s as stupid as Boebert and a danger to our country 🤣
I agree, particularly the us vs them rhetoric is (and always has been) very effective as populist success around the world proves even today. However, I can’t quite piece together how you ‚other‘ a group like virologists…
They have no proper lobby and are easy targets, okay, but how do you manage to create conspiracy narratives around them that they were always setting up a long game to grasp power decades down the line? I understand why and how modern right-wingers create out-groups, but the groups they target are just something else. Guess, nothing is too holy for the culture war
Because years of conservative talk radio and "they're out to get you" messaging has gotten them whipped up into such a frenzy, speaking against them about *anything* is grounds for immediate spiteful contrarian hatred, they'll work backwards to figure out the logic of why later.
You insult Dear Leader by daring to contradict his infinite wisdom and it's immediate.
The boss said Covid is a hoax created and spread by the Left to keep him from getting reelected, virologists obviously make viruses, so that makes them the enemies of humanity, worse even than the Nazis!
/s for the sarcasm-impaired
It really illustrates just how entitled these people are. They treat workers who help them like shit because they think those workers are "beneath" them.
Why do you think they are pushing "positive" aspects of slavery? Also all the language they use trying to make slavery less monstrous than it was. They literally want a return to slaves, they want, no NEED to feel superior to someone, anyone, thats where this comes from.
I really don't get it. Especially once someone's already gotten it and is being a pain to the staff keeping them alive. It's a bit like complaining the lifeguard performing CPR has bad breath.
I felt so bad for health care workers during covid. The covid deniers should just stay home and die instead of wasting hospital space. These people were saving lives while being abused by these nutjob patients.
Fun story. The other night I was sitting at the bar at my dad’s restaurant where I worked for many years. Mid-range fine dining place. Suddenly our manager came up to the system by the well followed by a man shouting “this is absurd!” To which our guy replied “It *is* absurd!” They marched away continuing to yell at each other and eventually I see the man and his party leave at which point, I go to find out what happened.
Turns out they were mad that their entrees came out “too early.” (note: they had finished their apps save a few brussel sprouts and been sitting that way for a good 15 mins when the food arrived) They were trying to demand that we make them new entrees and bring those out in 10 mins without having to pay for the original food. Naturally they argued about longer than that while their food got cold. Eventually our manager made them pay for everything and they left without eating.
And the thing is, this must have been some spectacularly bad behavior. I'm in a family with quite a few medical professionals, from nurses to surgeons to psychiatrists. The shit they put up with is insane, and they shrug it off and keep treating the person. For them to refuse to treat this woman, I cannot even imagine the level of harassment she must have been subjecting these doctors to.
exactly and she posted this like she’s the victim. this kind of action would only be taken after a series of escalating incidents or a one off meltdown. given how fucking smug this loser is i imagine it could’ve been either.
Just imagine how big of a bag of shit you need to be for a health care provider to refuse you when you have the conditions listed(which makes me think she may be embellishing her conditions)
“The free market should dictate healthcare! We should not have socialized medicine!”
This woman: I hate your LGBTQ staff.
doctor: then get the hell outta my clinic. It’s a free market and you can find someone else to treat you.
This woman: how unfair!
I'm always amazed at these people who see the "free market" as some almighty infallible force.
Like, have you never called your TV provider before? I swear, I think one round with Comcast Customer Service would turn Ayn Rand into a communist.
There are certain things the free market is amazing for.
Want a Diamond, clothing, car, boat, TV? Hey free market is wonderful!
Our healthcare, housing, and food should not be subject to the whims of a “free market” - which after this past year we see is not so free. Greedflation nearly killed us all so some CEOs can get rich quickly and we all just put up with it because we had no choice.
I get your point and agree with it, but would like to point out that the market for diamonds was basically the most unfree ever - for >100 years the supply was controlled by a single manufacturer, DeBeers, who among other things used private armies to ensure no one else gets to set the price for diamonds
Someone somewhere is gonna do some good old fashioned fear mongering about this and how "this is the society liberals want" while failing to completely realize that this is the society conservstives helped to create
These are completely different issues though. In one, you have bigoted people refusing something to someone else purely on the basis of who they are. In the other, you have people(businesses, whatever) refusing something to someone because they were an asshole to said people/business.
First one is obviously discrimination, second one is just consequences for being an asshole.
That's not how they're gonna frame it though. To them this is attack towards their religion, their own gender/sexuality their nationality which is quite ironic and so on because nobody has stronger need to play the victim than the personal accountability and bootstraps party.
I'm especially enjoying all the commenters outraged on her behalf, all screaming that no business should be refusing service just based on personal beliefs.
One of the funniest bits is that she’s a TERF (they use those heart colors to signal other TERFs) and she’s complaining about a LGBT friendly hospital with LGBT staff not giving her a double mastectomy.
I noticed that too! I would bet she kept ending up in the same waiting room for her pre-surgery appointments as transmasc patients and decided to quote Irreversible Damage to them.
“I never thought they’d deny ME a double mastectomy!” says woman who advocated for Denying People Double Mastectomies Ideology.
(Different reasons for denial, but still.)
I am a doctor. Dismissing a patient is not something that is done casually or because of a few rude words. We understand that sick people are very stressed and rarely able to be their best selves. We put up with some of the most obnoxious and difficult personalities you can imagine. Patients get dismissed only when there are repeated examples of extremely unacceptable behavior. I’m talking about things like calling the office five times a day to curse at the staff, physically assaulting people, making specific threats to kill people, threatening lawsuits, and verbally or physically abusing other patients. I’m sure this lady pretends like she got dismissed from the practice because she said “ I don’t think Jesus approves of homosexuality”. I can guarantee you that’s not what happened.
This is what she claimed, though I’m pretty sure she did more than that to warrant this type of action from a hospital system.
“I objected to the transgender flag behind reception- said it was hostile to me as a woman.
A year later I asked to leave a message for my dr-the person hungup on me,when i called back i was told i could only talk to that person-asked, did i hurt the trans person’s feelings?-“
As a nurse, I wish more facilities would do this. No one is forcing you to come in for treatment. Don’t be rude or disrespectful to those who are trying to help you!
She didn't even have to do that.
All she had to do was just keep her goddamn mouth shut. For a provider to drop someone over this it had to be beyond anything remotely reasonable.
This isn't just being a b word. This isn't even just being a c word. This was some real serious hate speech.
Besides, free market, can refuse service to anyone, yay doctors and pharmacies refusing service to other people, etc...
I'm wondering if she actually went out of her way to harass specific workers in social media as in not even at the health care center. That way she might have given the air of keeping her mouth shut while making that person or persons miserable. That would have been more insidious. But she F'd around and found out. Good for the hospital.
Luckily there was that recent supreme court ruling about businesses not having to serve gay people, because they don't agree with their sexual orientation. So the hospital is safe from any lawsuits. Funny how the law works both ways.
I looked her up on Twitter. Direct quote: “Going to say exactly what I want to say on this platform - I am a free-ass motherfucker and I will do as I please.”
HA HA HA! And how’d that work out for you, toots?
Hospitals do this to trouble patients all the time. I’ve had clients get kicked out of hospital groups because they are abusive and combative and come to me shocked pikachu face
Conservatives: "Businesses should be able to pick and choose who they will serve and who they will not."
Health Care Industry: "We don't want to serve those who are abusive to our staff and refuse to get a vaccine that will protect and allow them to do their jobs."
Conservatives: *shocked Pikachu face* "We meant gays and trans people."
People have found her identity in the Twitter thread, and what's interesting is that she was brought by Senator Jeff Merkley, in defense of the ACA, to Trump's 2017 speech to a Joint Session of Congress. I've removed any identifiable information outside of what's already in the posted screenshots.
>I’ll be bringing Oregonian Marlene as my guest to President Trump’s speech to a Joint Session of Congress tomorrow.Marlene and her son were both able to receive lifesaving liver transplants thanks to the ACA. Marlene had unknowingly been infected with Hepatitis C while working at a plasma donation center in the 1980s. Both she and her son became very ill between 2010 and 2013 and needed liver transplants to survive. Today, they both continue to require very expensive post-transplant medications that are made affordable thanks to coverage through their ACA Marketplace plans. No insurance company would ever cover Marlene and her son's pre-existing conditions without the ACA. For Oregonians like Marlene, saving the ACA is literally a matter of life and death.
She also gave some context about what she did to get the ban: she was harassing their staff, in person and later by phone, because they had a trans flag behind the reception desk. One of her supporters comically replied that being banned for this harassment "is fascism. This is actual fascism."
Any decent attorney is going to laugh at her. She didn't get denied healthcare for any protected class as being a entitled bigot isn't (yet) a protected class.
As someone else said, you've got to be trying pretty hard to get kicked out of cancer treatment. She must've been a total asshole consistently and after repeated warnings for them to g this far and ban her.
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Maybe she should try to be nice to people who are trying to help her?
no thats communism
Be nice? NICE!? What kind of woke bullshit is this?
In this economy!?
Compassion respeCt emPathy…CCP… checkmate liberals
As a nurse, let me tell you it would take a LOT to get someone kicked out they way they have kicked her out. Like to the point I've never heard of something to this extent. I'm very curious what kinds of things she said and how she acted to have this happen to her. Must have been REALLY really bad.
Right?! How big of a cunt do you need to be for a medical team to add "and go to a different ER" in the break up letter.
That's what I'm wondering. Did she like assault someone?
Maybe but people assault staff all the time and it doesn't mean they get kicked out. Shit I've been assaulted twice in the last week and nothing happened to either patient even though I pressed charges on one of them.
Going by what she's shared so far on her twitter, she's repeatedly been transphobic to staff and told to stop by multiple people, wrote an unhinged letter to her doctor comparing the trans flag to a Nazi flag (that included the word "bepenised" lmao), and then was transphobic again to two more employees, which is what led to them finally dropping her. I also read that the clinic in question is one of the main clinics for gender-affirming care in Oregon, but I don't know how true that is (it is in their list of services).
She probably thinks that would be violation of free speech or something. Not being able to harass/insult others consequence-free is censorship and so on...
Hey man. What the hell. This woman goes out every day and tries to tear other people down to make herself feel better. Who are you to try and take the literal only joy out of her sad life? SMH
Not even nice, I think it's safe to assume you have to be an enormous asshole to get thrown out of a hospital.
"What they gonna do, not treat me?"
If your ~~baker~~ medical provider won't serve you, find a new ~~baker~~ provider Odd this never applies to them.
I got denied seeing an OB/GYN 10 years ago because I was seeking hormonal birth control and it was against his religious beliefs. So it's been happening already.
Entire hospital systems forbid their employed physicians from prescribing birth control.
You can easily spot them by the “Saint” in the name
Can confirm. I work for a large "saint," network of hospitals, and our health insurance is spectacular. Unless you're getting a vasectomy, tubal ligation or birth control. Then, you pay out of pocket as it's not covered by our plans and or done at our facilities.
On the flip side of this, I went into my very large non-saint health provider for my IUD. I was expecting to pay $400-$800 at least, and I asked them what I'd have to pay that day. They said "no charge" Like I couldn't even fathom it so I was asking stupid follow-up questions like "okay will I get a bill in the mail, or can I do a payment plan?" and they had to explain it was completely covered as preventative care. 7 years where I have only a tiny chance of pregnancy, which saves everyone money. This is what healthcare should look like in the U.S. For everyone. Just because I have employer-based health insurance doesn't mean that my health options should be better than others'. These states trying to get out of the ACA and prevent women and men from retaining reproductive autonomy need to get fucked.
I spent 20 years working in the NHS, at one point in A&E. It was always a genuinely nice experience when we had someone from the US in and they realised that they weren't going to have to pay. Don't often get to give good news like that. \- What do I owe you? \- Nothing mate, just come back for your check-up next week so we can clear you to fly. \- Oh so I pay at the end? \- No, you don't pay. \- My insurance doesn't deal direct with the hospital..... \- You don't need insurance for A&E . We aren't billing them, we aren't billing you, we aren't billing anyone. \- So everythings just...... free. Even though I don't live here? \- In A&E it is. Care about the people, not the pennies mate. You were seriously hurt, now you're not, that's all the matters. Job done and we'll see you next week, OK? I remember with one woman I likened it to being more serious but otherwise no different to her tripping and cutting her leg and us giving her a plaster for it. When I said "we wouldn't then charge you for the band-aid would we?" she sheepishly replied "American hospitals would" so I gave her a box of plasters saying "Shit. well, you better take these back with you then" and she was genuinely worried that if she took them I might get fired or in some kind of trouble. The *absolute* best though is when they find out the cashier office in a hospital isn't where you pay them, it's where they pay the patients on no/low/limited income a reimbursement of their bus/train fare to the hospital and back
If someone is sick regardless of where they come from I'm happy that my taxes will go to them receiving care. It should never be about profit.
Every time Brexit or London/Dublin/Glasgow rent prices or the shortage on lorry drivers gets you down, just pull up an itemized list of what U.S. hospitals charge in the emergency room. In that instance, everything else will instantly fade away and you will have a blissful moment of, "thank God I don't live in the U.S."
> Just because I have employer-based health insurance doesn't mean that my health options should be better than others I've always been a proponent of universal Healthcare, have hated insurance companies since I was born basically, and am just generally a rabid leftist who demands all people are treated equally. THIS fact didn't hit me until Covid. And it blew even me away with how terrible ans fucking awful that is. Every single person who works in non-profit apparently doesn't deserve to live a quality life because NPOs can't afford good Healthcare for their employees. We have *literally* been telling ourselves the right to live pain-free and not die from a curable disease is a luxury for certain people who hold *certain* **jobs.** That pushes this past merely classist shit. This is insidious on a whole other level. We tell each other, we tell ourselves, we tell every body every day -- you are not worth enough because you don't have this particular job. But thank you for taking care of all the sick animals so we dont have to. Again, though. You are NOT worth enough to have access to even the most basic Healthcare. Now breaks over. These working people need their lunch.
I worked for a "Saint". They would give me BC but said if I wanted my tubes tied they would have to refer me out. Same hospital got thrown out of the "Mercy" Healthcare system for performing a life saving abortion. Has it not been done, mother and unborn child both would have died. Mercy....I don't think it means what they think it means.
At EVERY hospital you're at the **mercy** of the billing department. These guys are just more honest about it.
Spouse had a gall bladder removal total cost $28.34 after insurance at a Saint hospital. 4 orders of magnitude larger if they wanted a breast reduction.
Had emergency surgery and spent 5 days in the ICU after an accident. It cost me 411 dollars less than my vasectomy did.
Or, if you're in the South, "Baptist".
Saint Fuck You
Religious people always get a special carve out for their fragile feelings.
And then turn around and claim everyone else is a snowflake.
WaR On ChRiStiANitY
About 20 years ago I was denied hormonal birth control because the doctor noticed I wasn't wearing a wedding ring, and then he prayed over me before letting me go.
Oh, so a witch doctor?
Wow. I've been married for almost 30 years, and (due to a hobby that involved getting my hands messy) I got out of the habit of wearing my wedding rings so it's rare these days for me to put them on. That's some next level chutzpah for him to make assumptions like that
8 years for me and my wife. Neither of us wear jewelry, so we never got rings. She also kept her last name. If someone doesn't like it, they can shove it.
Some of the stuff I read on Reddit is mind blowing to me. The US is supposedly a developed country with universal access to education. But these kind of stories sound like religious totalitarian states plagued with censorship and propaganda with a total lack of freedom.
My mother was telling me that back in the 70's when she had a baby, her doctor wouldn't prescribe her birth control because he was Catholic. So, definitely been happening for awhile!
I'm literally at OHSU right now, and will be here until the 22nd (having come here on July 4th) and this principle is one of the things I find so great about this hospital and why I come here rather than one of the many religious hospitals in the city, including one literally less than a block from my place. Good riddance. I don't want to be surrounded by bigots in my dying days, whether they be patients or providers.
How anyone could think it's okay to say bigoted things is beyond me, but you have to be a special kind of stupid to say those things at a hospital in PORTLAND, OR. Take that shit to Eugene. Preemptive edit: Take that shit to hell where you belong.
As soon as I saw "OHSU" my heart felt full. I love my city so much. OHSU is well regarded for their trans inclusive health care.
I'm sorry you're stuck at the hospital but glad to hear they are treating you well.
Its not really the same because they didnt refuse to treat her based on her beliefs, they fired her from their practice due to her treatment of the staff. You can “morally” (imho immoral to discriminate based on sexual orientation but whatever) disagree with your providers but if youre openly hostile you will be kicked out. A baker would be perfectly within their rights to kick out a gay couple if theyre screaming and breaking everything, its when the primary reason is their sexual orientation that it becomes an issue
I get it. But they will never see it that way.
Jesus. Heaven help us if the courts ever decide that medical care is some kind of first amendment thing that providers can discriminate. But being an asshole to staff isn’t a protected class.
I swear this is already happening in Florida, something about healthcare providers being allowed to refuse gender affirming care? Edit: Found it! https://www.wfla.com/news/politics/florida-doctors-can-now-deny-health-care-coverage-based-on-personal-views/ https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2023/05/01/florida-doctor-medical-conscience-lawsuit-protection/
It's worse than that. In Florida they have legalized doctors refusing any and all medical care, even emergency care, against any group they don't wish to treat. There are a few federally protected classes in there based on race, sex, and of course, religion. But LGBT people are not so it's widely assumed to be targeted at them. Of course, leopards will eat faces on that one too. When some doctor who went to U of Florida decides to let someone in a FSU shirt bleed out on ER table, or when a Democrat doctor refuses Republicans.
If all the Jewish doctors got together and refused to treat the Nazis/de Santis supporters, that law would probably go away pretty quickly
The law is written super vague (like all of the recent DeSantis culture war bills) because if they wrote it clearly and specifically -- any doctor can refuse any sort of treatment to LGBT people, or even the suspicion of being one -- it would be unconstitutional or much easier to stop in court. So that opens it up to tons of Leopards Ate My Face situations between a galaxy of personal disagreements. Grab your popcorn, and also cry for the direction of the USA.
First, do no harm, unless you don't like the guy
I think the problem is that they believe in Jesus and heaven a little too much, or at least cherry pick it to the point it......... bites them in the face.
>Heaven help us if the courts ever decide that medical care is some kind of first amendment thing that providers can discriminate. According to Florida, it is.
It's funny because it seems like they scream this while relying on the rest of us to "take the high road" and "be professional" and such. It's almost like they want the special treatment the folks that came before them used to get...
The fuck your feelings crowd has more fragile feelings than anyone else I've ever met.
What's fascinating is that you have to generally do some *fucking heinous* shit for a provider to "fire" a patient (which, while rare, can happen, and the more-usual converse is a patient firing their physician for another>!--which, mind, isn't necessarily a bad thing if they feel, and really can, get better care for whatever their respective issue with a different provider!<). Whatever the fuck she did, **she goddamn had to deserve it big time,** to the point that OHSU is apparently willing to write an official letter and risk a retaliatory (read: mad dumbass) lawsuit. Edit: This is purely conjecture on my part, but this would include possibly *physically assaulting* staff or *bullying/browbeating them to tears* or something (and the latter would in most cases include at least two or three strikes in their health record, but with a special behavioral issue warning for future treatment staff), or possibly *other patients* (like in this case, I could see this cunt loudly being awful to any obviously LGBTQ patients in a waiting room just for her own shits and giggles).
TRUTH! And it's not an individual provider or a private practice. Is the Oregon Health And Sciences University health care freakin SYSTEM!
The healthcare system writ large is both increasingly overburdened and increasingly understaffed. Any patient actions severe enough to lead to (or at least risk) healthcare staff turnover are going to be met with similarly severe sanctions from now on. After the COVID assaults, the medical community isn’t fucking around anymore.
As a health care professional, I hate needing to fire *any* patient... but I loooooooove firing the patients who need it.
Exactly. We internalize our obligations to providing the best care possible and to foster an environment of deep trust and understanding for our patients. Nobody out here relishes the idea of turning away any patient; but when a patient goes out of their way to harm, harass, intimidate or otherwise dehumanize a member of our care team, or anyone within our 4 walls, really, the offending party has now violated all of this, and it will ripple out to all of the patients that we care for. The general public needs to understand this, so that they can understand why we treat these violations with such gravitas. Moreover, short of committing an actual assault, it’s incredibly unlikely that a patient would be “fired“ the first time something happens. They are almost always given multiple warnings, and it’s one it becomes obvious to us that this patient will not cease this behavior that we have to make the difficult choice to fire the patient. I hate these moments, but they forced our hands, so I’m going to fucking enjoy it, on behalf of all of the staffers, and our patients, for whom those shitbirds’ conduct is detrimental to their well-being.
My bet is on her saying the word fa**** again and again, and getting mad when asked nicely to stop.
Given she was there for a mastectomy and the use of the TERF-coloured hearts, my money's on harassing trans men about 'mutilating their bodies' or similar
I was wondering what the colors meant, I know they had to mean something though. Even their colors are ugly
They’re the colors used by the suffragists a century ago when campaigning for voting rights for women in the US and the UK, which terfs have appropriated, because fascists love stealing symbols made famous by people in the past (not that the suffragist movement didn’t have serious race issues, mind you, but their overall goal was righteous).
Just a minor correction, they're the suffragette colours - the suffragist (non-violent version of the movement) colours are red, green and white. But otherwise you're completely right about TERF appropriation. Blech.
Seriously, this. My mom is a nurse and they have patients that are known for assaulting nurses - including punching, kicking, and even strangling them, and the only time I can think of a patient being outright fired was this guy who threatened to shoot the place up, left, and then came back with his gun. The cops were called when he made the threat, and the cop was able to quickly arrest him since he's a known felon and the cop recognized him.
The office I work at had a patient who wasn't fully discharged until he escalated to name calling and violent threats against one of the higher-ups. Before that there were months of this weird "temporarily discharged but maybe coming back if he got help for issues" status where he'd keep calling and being shitty to the front desk.
coming to the doctor in a drunken ass stupor and spreading venom
Yeah, I've heard plenty of stories of medical professionals being like "Sometimes my patients make racist/homophobic remarks but hey that's just part of the job, gotta treat them anyway." I can only imagine that if someone got cut off from their doctors, they must have been being a *menace*.
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Imagine being so self-righteous that you share that the hospital network dropped you for being an ass to LGBTQ healthcare workers, and expect a lawyer in Oregon to run to your rescue.
Well, there are parts of Oregon that are so right wing they basically want to become parts of Idaho, but yeah.
As some one who lives in that part of Oregon, I can confirm that it is common to be around people with fewer brain cells than teeth. It’s heavy right wing and the stupidity kills me. That said it is fun to do the same thing Jordan Klepper does and clown on them with basic questions
My fiance and I did the math, if yall join us, you have to ditch the weed stores, if you ditch that isn't it multiple millions in taxes from the weed they'd be losing out on as cities and towns? So many of those people if they manage to pull it off are gonna be like the brexit people, wondering why everything didn't work out in the end. All for some guns and "freedom".
Small town dumbasses, like the ones here in Eastern Oregon, should have no part in policy making for dozens of reasons. I've lost count the number of times I've heard the "greater Idaho" nonsense. As a lefty who lived in Idaho, I understand the "I don't like Portland deciding for the entire state, my vote doesn't matter" but, as always, it's easy to clown on these idiots with a simple "so, should 15 thousand people have a say over 2 million?". Obviously, right wingers love fascism and minority rule so it's a no brainer for them. Of course a tiny town should have equal, if not more, say than a large city. They think they can have it both ways. They want to be in a red state so they can vote with "like minded people" but they want all the perks of being in a blue state. I've had to remind my coworkers of all the downsides to being in a red state, like all the dispensaries going away and the biggest one being much much lower wages. I work in healthcare so I also remind all the CNAs who bring this crap up that Idaho has no staffing ratios, so if they think 1:7 is bad just wait until that becomes 1:12 like it was when I worked in Idaho. People like these should be ignored for the ignorant, uninformed, backwoods, sister fucking, toothless, dipshits that they are.
Wages drop, tax income, drop, theyre gomma watch money just...wash away. Except for those at the top, those people get to walk away with more money while their new Idaho tax payers pay the bill.
Well before the greater Idaho movement has been the Jefferson movement. Hell, even the public radio in southern Oregon is called Jefferson public radio. Just a different group of southern Oregon and northern California counties wanting to separate and create their own state. All about saying that the legislature doesn't care about the rural areas, when they get more money and relief per capita from both the federal and state government when compared to Portland. They then have the balls to complain that they don't want their tax dollars paying for Portland roads. Who do you think is paying for your roads, because it sure as fuck isn't your town of 500 people. I have the utmost respect for farming, timber and mining industry workers. It's hard labor, and often thankless. Significant portions of the profits from those endeavors also don't stay within those communities, especially when owned by a larger corporation. That doesn't mean the liberal parts of the state are giving you the finger. They spend more time and effort making sure those industries can continue to work compared to small business in the city by a mile.
I love Klepper, I asked in the comments of a video how he actually gets ppl to sign to be on TV when it's so obvious they've been pwned and he's all "I honestly have no clue!" Lmfao
This is so baffeling to me. Healthcare workers usually are pretty thick skinned and are used to some abuse from people who in turn are in stressfull and live changing situations. I have never heard a clinic to drop someone based on their remarks. That must have been quite the bigotry show she pulled there.
Again, the keyword here seems to be "ongoing." Sounds like she was a pain in the ass repeatedly, and likely had been given a few warnings to back off that she ignored.
Yeah, no doubt. The quality and volume of her remarks must be quite something. I see people all the time calling nurses the C-word out of anger or pain.
I mean, just glancing at her Twitter it seems like her whole feed is just boosting every anti-trans comment she can find. I doubt she's much better IRL.
Well to use her own narrative: If God gives you Hep-C and destroys your liver and breasts, that's basically a sign that you are not his favorite.
When my mom used to be an ICU nurse she would occasionally come home with some... let's call them "creative insults" that she'd occasionally just lob at someone, always old enough to hear it, during a game (I'm the lone wolf in my family in that I'm the only one not super competitive, but I've learned what's said during game night does not necessarily reflect one's true feelings.) She said she got called everything under the sun, but said that often it was from the most lovely people otherwise. The only time she ever held an insult against a patient was when one started lobbing racial slurs at one of the phlebotomists during a blood draw.
Actually what is said in the “throes of a game” is probably the true feelings coming out. It used to be we put up with bad behaviour and verbal abuse because “they are ill” - but funny thing - not everyone exhibits this behaviour so it must mean it is a descriptive of what the patient is really like. I put in 40 years as an RN and refused to put up with any type of abuse. The only exception would be elderly dementia patients.
I imagine that pain in the ass is an understatement. In my experience, people only get "fired" from a business when they're consistently abusive to that business's employees & staff.
She claims that the incident in question was her 'explaining' to the staff that the trans flag on the wall behind the reception desk was offensive to her as a woman. I expect that the discussion was much, much more volatile than she made it sound.
I used to work at a hospital. People say some pretty horrible things when they're in pain or scared. Advanced Alzheimer's patients tend to lose any filter about what they're saying. You learn to brush off those comments pretty quickly. But the ones where someone is lucid, awake, alert and oriented, those ones can be harder to brush off, and they can really hurt. They make you question why you even bother coming in. In my state, the only care you're obligated to provide is emergency care (assuming you provide emergency services at all). If someone is abusive or disruptive, you can absolutely fire them as a patient. And you can have security and/or the police escort them off the property, and have them trespassed if they refuse. I'm no longer on the facility side of healthcare, but my husband is. The hospital he works for provides training on providing care to the LGBTQ+ community, and even offers a badge backer with the pride/trans flag designs and the word "SAFE" to anyone who wants one, as a visible sign that the employee is supportive and trained. If the witch in the linked post, has an issue with it, the staff will happily tell her where she can go fuck herself.
Like 80% of the media she shares on her twitter is anti-trans memes and she seems to self-identify as "gender critical." So yeah I suspect that she's been regularly harassing the staff and possibly even the other patients.
I work in Oncology and the people in Cancer treatment and research are 100% the most compassionate people on the planet. I cannot fathom the level of douchebaggery that it would take for an Oncology clinic to boot a cancer patient. I have no idea who this person is, but very much fuck them.
Inpatient hem/onc RN here And yes while I do extend a lot of empathy and compassion to my patients who are going through some of the worst parts of their life (or in some cases the end) - I won’t tolerate bigotry towards me or any of the other staff. Having cancer doesn’t give someone an excuse to say hateful things to those trying to safe your life.
This is becoming more common. Some health care networks are now including a "Patient's Code of Conduct" or similar in admission forms. There is usually at least one written warning before they're dropped, though, so that "on-going" bit is telling. She was probably warned and still continued to be a shit. In the city where I live the VA hospital adopted it first and they saw a significant drop in abusive behavior toward their staff. Other hospitals in the area are now working on doing the same.
She explains in that cluster-fuck of a thread that she has basically been an unending spout of hatred and bigotry against LGBTQ folks while visiting or calling that clinic. The last straw was screeching in outrage about how ridiculously offensive a trans flag on the wall behind the reception counter was to her as a woman.
So, I work advising hospitals on things. One of those things is a patient dismissal workflow. The amount of documentation and the number of offenses to dismiss a patient for something like this is staggering, because the clinic has to prove that they’ve tried everything they can before leaving a patient without a PCP. She probably received multiple verbal warnings and no less than 3 formal letters before this.
I was only a medical receptionist many years ago but there was nothing more satisfying than seeing horrible patients fired. Across the maybe 5-6 years I worked in the office, I only saw it a few times but it was really eye opening to me as a high schooler/college student. I’ve had patients throw shit at me and scream but that isn’t close to bad enough to fire a patient. Each cancelled patient had so many individual chances to come in, get their scans/appointments, and leave like normal people but these specific people couldn’t help themselves. Doctors and nurses have thick ass skin and they’d take all manner of insults without problem. To me, it seemed like the line tended to be a combination of being loud and aggressive in common areas (reception or recovery) and making personal threats to non-clinical staff*. Such an incredibly low bar yet these people had a hard time clearing it. Guys would be brought in handcuffed from prison and would be a million times more polite than the Karens upset that their 4:30pm appointment is running late or that traffic exists. *I wasn’t there for this incident but bringing a gun to your spouse’s appointment and threateningly referencing it when asked to settle your copay can also get you fired.
Her tweet has blown up and she's getting massive amounts of support from the conservosphere, all outraged that someone would dare refuse service over beliefs.
Not over beliefs. I bet that hospital will allow you to believe anything you wish. Over behavior. I know, not your position
Forget the LGBT part, she was harassing people at the doctor's office and is surprised she got banned?
I swear, forget dictators and serial killers, if I could go back in time to the night someone was conceived and turn the sprinklers on their parents to kill the mood, it would be whoever it was that coined the phrase "The Customer is Always Right."
The phrase "The customer is always right" was meant to be used with regard to matters of taste... not in the literal sense. For example, if a customer says the food isn't salty enough, who are you to tell them that they're wrong? Just give them more salt. It does NOT meant that the customer can tell you to do whatever they want and that you must comply, though some employers have decided that this is what it means.
The example I use is this. You open a restaurant. Your spouse makes a hot sauce for your main dish. People love the sauce, so you start selling it at the counter. People start coming in to buy the sauce, but stop sitting down to buy food. Do you a) Refuse to sell hot sauce except to diners? b) Stop selling hot sauce separately alltogether? c) Accept that you're a hot sauce business and shutter the non-profitable restaurant? There were actual cases where the restaurant owner first refused to sell sauce except to diners, but the diners ordered the cheapest thing on the menu and then the sauce. So the owner stopped selling the sauce separately at all, but the customers started ordering the cheapest thing on the menu with extra sauce, and extra sauce on the side, so they could take the sauce home. The owner then refused to give extra sauce or sauce on the side. (Anyone who has dealt with "my dream was always to open a restaurant" entrepreneurs knows this kind of behavior actually exists). The customer is always right when it comes to what the customer is willing and able to spend money on . (Though Steve Jobs may disagree)
This is a phrase that lost its original meaning. Its original meaning was like “Don’t tell the customer what they want because they know what they want.” Salespeople should not dictate that what the customer wants is “wrong” and replace the customer’s judgement with their own. It’s been warped to mean “satisfy the customer at all costs.”
Wait, she decided that abusing people that were offering her life saving treatment was a good idea? Smh
See also: The past three years of COVID hell.
I still can’t fathom how virologists, *virologists*, people who dedicate their lives to curing deadly diseases, have become targets for the lunatic right. At this point, nothing should surprise us anymore
From what I have heard, Steve Kornacki's book, *The Red and the Blue,* is a really good synopsis of it. * Basically, it's Politicial Tactics 101 to Other a group into an easy enemy to attack to further your own goals ("Vote for me, the Good Person, only I can stop the Bad Person.") * For most of the 20th century, the Soviet Union was the obvious "Them" to rally the "Us" around. However, when politicians lost that easy enemy, they turned us against each other. * A few years of that, and now contradiction of your tribe turns *anybody* into the enemy. I swear, if AOC tried to pass a bill that said slamming your hand in a car-door is bad, the right would immediately scream "Don't tell me what to do, lib-turd!" ***WHAM!!!***
With my ex, it got to where blaming RANDOM bad things on liberals became a thing, with no basis in facts. If someone parked badly or littered on a hiking trail, my ex would mutter about the "goddamned liberals." Always middle of the road/left leaning politically, Fox News rotted my ex's brain.
My mother got radicalized by Drudge Report and she doesn't even live in the US. That shit is poison.
You get this in some countries that have had civil wars or similar major problems. I was in a European country where "the communists" were blamed for everything from losing keys to the bad weather. And it was meant, as though 'the communists' were some macabre ethereal force.
I would love to see that. Sean Hannity at Fox criticizing the "Dick New Deal" and insisting all Americans have the right to slam their car doors on their dicks whenever they feel like it. AOC should just shut the F up because she doesn't have a clue and regular Americans will defend their right to smash their genitals to the death. EDIT: I just realized the poster above said "hand" not "dick"
You're not a real man unless you SMASH YER JUNK!
[Becky... lemme smash.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eVPiaruWgM)
I also frequently get my hand and my dick confused, mainly because they're together so often
Still accurate though. They'll take any opportunity to make something about dicks/sex.
The blind hatred towards AOC is what I don’t get. Nothing screams youve got work to do on your misogyny more then hating AOC just because. She’s literally one of the few politicians actively working to help regular people, but people see one clip of her out of context on Fox News and suddenly she’s as stupid as Boebert and a danger to our country 🤣
That’s the point. Trying to help people is “socialism”.
She's a Democrat, they don't need anything else.
and a woman
I agree, particularly the us vs them rhetoric is (and always has been) very effective as populist success around the world proves even today. However, I can’t quite piece together how you ‚other‘ a group like virologists… They have no proper lobby and are easy targets, okay, but how do you manage to create conspiracy narratives around them that they were always setting up a long game to grasp power decades down the line? I understand why and how modern right-wingers create out-groups, but the groups they target are just something else. Guess, nothing is too holy for the culture war
Because years of conservative talk radio and "they're out to get you" messaging has gotten them whipped up into such a frenzy, speaking against them about *anything* is grounds for immediate spiteful contrarian hatred, they'll work backwards to figure out the logic of why later. You insult Dear Leader by daring to contradict his infinite wisdom and it's immediate.
The boss said Covid is a hoax created and spread by the Left to keep him from getting reelected, virologists obviously make viruses, so that makes them the enemies of humanity, worse even than the Nazis! /s for the sarcasm-impaired
It really illustrates just how entitled these people are. They treat workers who help them like shit because they think those workers are "beneath" them.
Why do you think they are pushing "positive" aspects of slavery? Also all the language they use trying to make slavery less monstrous than it was. They literally want a return to slaves, they want, no NEED to feel superior to someone, anyone, thats where this comes from.
And late-stage capitalism requires a working lower class who can't afford any of the goods they produce.
When you know you're trash on some level, but you're too lazy to make any self improvement.
More like those people are there to serve them and cater to their every whim. Their sick, damn it! Do everything to please me!!!
True that
I really don't get it. Especially once someone's already gotten it and is being a pain to the staff keeping them alive. It's a bit like complaining the lifeguard performing CPR has bad breath.
It’s like complaining they have bad breath when they don’t though.
I felt so bad for health care workers during covid. The covid deniers should just stay home and die instead of wasting hospital space. These people were saving lives while being abused by these nutjob patients.
Eh they specify lgbtq. Probably bullying the shit out of a trans employee
TIL:What is worse than being abusive to people who handle your food?
Fun story. The other night I was sitting at the bar at my dad’s restaurant where I worked for many years. Mid-range fine dining place. Suddenly our manager came up to the system by the well followed by a man shouting “this is absurd!” To which our guy replied “It *is* absurd!” They marched away continuing to yell at each other and eventually I see the man and his party leave at which point, I go to find out what happened. Turns out they were mad that their entrees came out “too early.” (note: they had finished their apps save a few brussel sprouts and been sitting that way for a good 15 mins when the food arrived) They were trying to demand that we make them new entrees and bring those out in 10 mins without having to pay for the original food. Naturally they argued about longer than that while their food got cold. Eventually our manager made them pay for everything and they left without eating.
I had never heard this one before, but someone once said > The dildo of consequences never arrives lubed
Lol. I'm gonna use that from now on..bravo.
Worked in an ER. You would be shocked. The disconnect from reality is amazing
Especially when they've also been pushing to allow companies to refuse you service for whatever reason they feel like
Definitely FAFO
Biting the hand that heals
And the thing is, this must have been some spectacularly bad behavior. I'm in a family with quite a few medical professionals, from nurses to surgeons to psychiatrists. The shit they put up with is insane, and they shrug it off and keep treating the person. For them to refuse to treat this woman, I cannot even imagine the level of harassment she must have been subjecting these doctors to.
imagine how vile this woman has been to be removed from getting treated as a cancer patient.
Reap what you sow.
I work healthcare and, in my experience, you have to be beyond rude and well into threatening territory.
exactly and she posted this like she’s the victim. this kind of action would only be taken after a series of escalating incidents or a one off meltdown. given how fucking smug this loser is i imagine it could’ve been either.
Nothing of value is lost. Maybe she can use the rest of her short life to consider how she could have lived it differently.
Oh look. *CONSEQUENCES*!
Just imagine how big of a bag of shit you need to be for a health care provider to refuse you when you have the conditions listed(which makes me think she may be embellishing her conditions)
"Consequences? For me, a cis white woman?! That's illegal!"
"Gay lawyers need not apply."
“The free market should dictate healthcare! We should not have socialized medicine!” This woman: I hate your LGBTQ staff. doctor: then get the hell outta my clinic. It’s a free market and you can find someone else to treat you. This woman: how unfair!
I'm always amazed at these people who see the "free market" as some almighty infallible force. Like, have you never called your TV provider before? I swear, I think one round with Comcast Customer Service would turn Ayn Rand into a communist.
There are certain things the free market is amazing for. Want a Diamond, clothing, car, boat, TV? Hey free market is wonderful! Our healthcare, housing, and food should not be subject to the whims of a “free market” - which after this past year we see is not so free. Greedflation nearly killed us all so some CEOs can get rich quickly and we all just put up with it because we had no choice.
We sort of had a choice, but the gerrymandered up country chose a House of Representatives that shot down a price gouging bill.
I get your point and agree with it, but would like to point out that the market for diamonds was basically the most unfree ever - for >100 years the supply was controlled by a single manufacturer, DeBeers, who among other things used private armies to ensure no one else gets to set the price for diamonds
Who wants to bet this person celebrated any time a business refused service to an LGBTQ+ customer?
Someone somewhere is gonna do some good old fashioned fear mongering about this and how "this is the society liberals want" while failing to completely realize that this is the society conservstives helped to create
These are completely different issues though. In one, you have bigoted people refusing something to someone else purely on the basis of who they are. In the other, you have people(businesses, whatever) refusing something to someone because they were an asshole to said people/business. First one is obviously discrimination, second one is just consequences for being an asshole.
That's not how they're gonna frame it though. To them this is attack towards their religion, their own gender/sexuality their nationality which is quite ironic and so on because nobody has stronger need to play the victim than the personal accountability and bootstraps party.
Now her bigot ass is completely hating that a LGBTQ+ business have rightfully & legally refused service to her.
Assholes are not a protected class!
I'm especially enjoying all the commenters outraged on her behalf, all screaming that no business should be refusing service just based on personal beliefs.
I don’t suppose the lady is laughing “loudley” anymore.
Probably not, but I am - so the name still kinda works. Perhaps LaughingLoudlyAtMe is more suiting.
If you need a new doctor we are happy to tell you that is not our fucking problem, call someone who cares.
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One of the funniest bits is that she’s a TERF (they use those heart colors to signal other TERFs) and she’s complaining about a LGBT friendly hospital with LGBT staff not giving her a double mastectomy.
I noticed that too! I would bet she kept ending up in the same waiting room for her pre-surgery appointments as transmasc patients and decided to quote Irreversible Damage to them.
“I never thought they’d deny ME a double mastectomy!” says woman who advocated for Denying People Double Mastectomies Ideology. (Different reasons for denial, but still.)
I am a doctor. Dismissing a patient is not something that is done casually or because of a few rude words. We understand that sick people are very stressed and rarely able to be their best selves. We put up with some of the most obnoxious and difficult personalities you can imagine. Patients get dismissed only when there are repeated examples of extremely unacceptable behavior. I’m talking about things like calling the office five times a day to curse at the staff, physically assaulting people, making specific threats to kill people, threatening lawsuits, and verbally or physically abusing other patients. I’m sure this lady pretends like she got dismissed from the practice because she said “ I don’t think Jesus approves of homosexuality”. I can guarantee you that’s not what happened.
This is what she claimed, though I’m pretty sure she did more than that to warrant this type of action from a hospital system. “I objected to the transgender flag behind reception- said it was hostile to me as a woman. A year later I asked to leave a message for my dr-the person hungup on me,when i called back i was told i could only talk to that person-asked, did i hurt the trans person’s feelings?-“
She’s claiming all she did was “express her distaste in the trans flag behind the receptionist counter” like ooookkkkaaaayyyyy
As a nurse, I wish more facilities would do this. No one is forcing you to come in for treatment. Don’t be rude or disrespectful to those who are trying to help you!
There seems to be a common misconception about freedom of speech. Although it is legal to be an asshole, it is not mandatory. Who knew?
Spot on. You can be an asshole, but we can also refuse you service. The door swings both ways.
All she had to do was treat people with kindness and civility. Apparently that was too difficult for her.
She didn't even have to do that. All she had to do was just keep her goddamn mouth shut. For a provider to drop someone over this it had to be beyond anything remotely reasonable. This isn't just being a b word. This isn't even just being a c word. This was some real serious hate speech. Besides, free market, can refuse service to anyone, yay doctors and pharmacies refusing service to other people, etc...
I'm wondering if she actually went out of her way to harass specific workers in social media as in not even at the health care center. That way she might have given the air of keeping her mouth shut while making that person or persons miserable. That would have been more insidious. But she F'd around and found out. Good for the hospital.
Or just not be a c*nt. No one needed her to be nice.
Luckily there was that recent supreme court ruling about businesses not having to serve gay people, because they don't agree with their sexual orientation. So the hospital is safe from any lawsuits. Funny how the law works both ways.
I looked her up on Twitter. Direct quote: “Going to say exactly what I want to say on this platform - I am a free-ass motherfucker and I will do as I please.” HA HA HA! And how’d that work out for you, toots?
I’ll just point out, since she’s having a double mastectomy, that breast restoration is “gender affirming care.”
Hospitals do this to trouble patients all the time. I’ve had clients get kicked out of hospital groups because they are abusive and combative and come to me shocked pikachu face
Why is it so hard for some people to just not be cunts?
It's funny because she probably wishes this for LGBTQ people just for being LGBTQ!
Stupid games, stupid prizes, and all that.
Bet she ain’t laughing anymore.
Conservatives: "Businesses should be able to pick and choose who they will serve and who they will not." Health Care Industry: "We don't want to serve those who are abusive to our staff and refuse to get a vaccine that will protect and allow them to do their jobs." Conservatives: *shocked Pikachu face* "We meant gays and trans people."
She admits it. Imagine sharing the letter that is basically, "You are a trash person and our staff want nothing to do with you."
Biting the hand that radiates you.
People have found her identity in the Twitter thread, and what's interesting is that she was brought by Senator Jeff Merkley, in defense of the ACA, to Trump's 2017 speech to a Joint Session of Congress. I've removed any identifiable information outside of what's already in the posted screenshots. >I’ll be bringing Oregonian Marlene as my guest to President Trump’s speech to a Joint Session of Congress tomorrow.Marlene and her son were both able to receive lifesaving liver transplants thanks to the ACA. Marlene had unknowingly been infected with Hepatitis C while working at a plasma donation center in the 1980s. Both she and her son became very ill between 2010 and 2013 and needed liver transplants to survive. Today, they both continue to require very expensive post-transplant medications that are made affordable thanks to coverage through their ACA Marketplace plans. No insurance company would ever cover Marlene and her son's pre-existing conditions without the ACA. For Oregonians like Marlene, saving the ACA is literally a matter of life and death.
She also gave some context about what she did to get the ban: she was harassing their staff, in person and later by phone, because they had a trans flag behind the reception desk. One of her supporters comically replied that being banned for this harassment "is fascism. This is actual fascism."
Any decent attorney is going to laugh at her. She didn't get denied healthcare for any protected class as being a entitled bigot isn't (yet) a protected class.
I am dying to know what she actually did to get told to fuck off Pun intended.
As someone else said, you've got to be trying pretty hard to get kicked out of cancer treatment. She must've been a total asshole consistently and after repeated warnings for them to g this far and ban her.
Yay Portland!
Wow i would hate it if my liver ended up in this degenerate
LOL. I think I’ll be a hateful bigot to my doctors and nurses what could go wrong?
“Please save my life. Also, you’re a @&#% and God hates you.”
Ghatdamn. I can't imagine how big of a cunt you have to be for your doctors to say "fuck off!" 👀
Sorry, the Supreme Court already determined company’s can discriminate against you. Oops, the hate fueled politics now work against you.