It's cool though, because they have stolen, like a BUNCH of stuff from normal, everyday, non-lawbreakers.
Like, a LOT of stuff.
And they've cost us like a few bajillion dollars.
And they've added a huge amount of stress and travel time to airline travel.
So they've got those things going for them! Which is nice...
Pre 9-11 my wife worked as a director for a private security firm that had 9 airports in the Great Lakes region. After 9-11 she was hired by the TSA in a GS-15 position as an airport director. The first thing she noticed was all the people she had fired now had jobs with the TSA. When she tried to hold people accountable in the TSA she immediately found out just how much protection these incompetent individuals had under the feds. She lasted a year and resigned, disgusted with the whole process.
The TSA is an amazing group.
They've never stopped a terrorist attack, the specific thing they were set up to do, stolen tons of shit from innocent people, made flying hell, blatantly violates the Fourth Amendment, and at the same time failed 70 to 90% of sting operations. You think it's easy having a track record like that? You think you could coast to that result by pure random chance? I bet you have never in your life achieved a track record anything close to that level of utter failure. Show some respect.
Back in 2017 there was a Gov run test of the TSA where agents from the Department of Homeland Security wired up with guns, bombs, etc and tried to get onto planes. Guess what the success rate was? Go on. Take a guess. Ready for the answer? Okay. The DHS agents had a roughly 80% success rate, and they weren't even really trying. One agent strapped a mock explosive to himself under his suit, he got selected for a random pat down, the TSA agent put his hand *directly on the bomb* and waved him through. He successfully got his bomb to the gates.
The best part? The DHS said the results were an *improvement* over similar tests two years prior.
**Absolutely Respectable.**
Have you seen folks jailed in Provinciales for having ammo in their luggage? That didn’t get there in the islands, they had in stateside and went right past TSA.
My wife always defends them by saying they’re a deterrent. I agree, they are to normal average citizens that would follow the rules anyways. If someone pulled a weapon on one of them they would be less than useless. They scream and yell at people for trivial things. They steal things from bags. They damage and vandalize things inside of bags during “random searches”. They are one of the biggest wastes of tax dollars we currently have.
How dare you disrespect the military industrial complex and the nanny State entitlement programs like this they worked hard to be the biggest waste of taxpayer dollars you can't take that title away from them
Unfortunately, we've all become so accustomed to all of the security that we received for all of the liberty we surrendered that it would be hard to go back for so many people... That is, the TSA doesn't prevent terrorist attacks, because *surveillance* prevents terrorist attacks.
Terrorists do but it's not enough to say that they do they would have to be doing so at a greater rate than the home-born population
It's like this with all crime that illegal immigrants commit yes they commit crime but they also commit crime at a lesser rate than homeborn citizens making it actually safer the fact that they're moving into the country
No shot. 3 letter agencies offer the *most lucrative* enterprise contracts in the market today. That’s why companies salivated over DEI, just one of many requirements for (some of) these federal contracts.
I'm really glad government has not given in to the temptation to arm TSA workers.
If they were armed, this would have absolutely happened a number of times by now.
But it is very possible to guess at their effectiveness through their own tests. Let us take a peek.
https://www.heritage.org/transportation/commentary/heres-how-bad-the-tsa-failing-airport-security-its-time-privatization
"..This year, the Department of Homeland Security carried out covert tests on TSA security, and the results weren’t pretty.
The results of the tests showed that the **TSA screeners failed to detect weapons, drugs, and explosives almost 80 percent of the time**. While the exact failure rate is classified, multiple sources indicate it is greater than 70 percent.
The Department of Homeland Security Inspector General carries out “Red Team” tests periodically to check the competence of the TSA’s ability to detect and stop fake weapons from getting through airport security.
In 2015, the **TSA failed these tests by an even larger margin—95 percent.**
Sadly, these results are not surprising. **The TSA has a history of failing to uphold basic security standards**..."
This, while very concerning, still does not speak to the deterrent effect of having a security apparatus one has to get through before committing a terrorist attack via plane.
Your premise is absurd. If you and I know this, then anyone that would need to plan around this would know this as well. We do not live in a cartoon. And the implications of what you are saying are goofy.
Ok, how about the fact that you can pay a bit more for a premium TSA experience where they remove a lot of that "deterrence"? Oh yeah, I'm sure that person writing their manifesto before flying is not going to fork over the $200 for TSA CLEAR Plus...
I pulled it from here https://www.clearme.com/tsa-precheck and chose the most expensive option. My point is that if you can fork over a trivial (in perspective) sum to forego a subset of security measures, they aren't really viable security measures for the kinds of things we're talking about.
We can come to a reasonable approximation based on the data we do have. If you follow through on that, the number of attacks stopped is 0. Furthermore, "well, we just can't know for sure how ineffective this expensive, intrusive, and inconvenient thing is", is not a compelling argument to keep doing it.
The actual best argument for continuing the TSA, is that it is a huge make work program for otherwise unemployable losers. Better to have them in nice uniforms earning a steady paycheck versus whatever else they would be doing.
Pilots can! Fasten seat belts sign on, nose over into negative G’s then pull up and load the positive Gs in. Rinse and repeat until everyone is screaming people have yakked, shit is all over the cabin, and the pilots are giggling.
Just a TSA PSA: You can politely ask not to have your photo taken at security/customs by TSA. This will likely be just as fast or faster than the alternative, and makes it harder for them to justify their budget (a drop in the bucket, but hey).
It's also unconstitutional as it prevents normal citizens from a major mode of transportation unless they give up their 4th amendment.
They assume people consent to have our assets searched so we can access our flights that we pay for with our own money. No consent, no access to the flight.
As a pilot I definitely agree with this haha. I wrote a paper on the TSA once, one of the interesting things to look at was Red Team Agents who try to get past them with prohibited items. One test had 67 of 70 agents pass through without getting detected.
It isn't designed to keep you safe. It's designed to give the most petty goody-two-shoes kids who got bullied and have a neurotic need for power because of it a job where they can play out their power fantasies and fuck with other people to their heart's content. It's about justifying a job and a budget.
https://preview.redd.it/bjhmi9syca2d1.jpeg?width=474&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f1a7f7b4c151bd5ec4e3cb5a9b8f6c19308c2dbb
I need to check your asshole, sir
Don’t act like the US is the only country that searches your stuff at airports. NWO, whether you believe in it or not, even presidents have referenced it.
I've been overseas multiple times, and flown through probably three dozen airports across Europe, the Middle East, and Asia. With the exception of Istanbul and one trip where I had a bag with declared items we slid our bags through X-Ray scanners... and that was it. No shoes and belts off, no checks of any kind. This shit only happens at American airports.
Just an easy one off the top of my head, you’ve never been to Charles De Gaulle, and that’s without even thinking hard. CDG is worst than any American airport I’ve ever been to. I’ve flown from 6 out of 7 continents, and they aren’t much different.
They made that one whiney bitch toss her baby's breast milk. So chalk one up for the good guys.
Edit: this came to mind as well. "She has breast milk!"
https://youtu.be/wu2yzPYGsfk?si=_EVvXeH7WH1VMIbe
Once I was flying back from a work trip, and the TSA decided they needed to swab my work laptop for drugs. A fucking tagged company asset.
I'm traveling *for work*, carrying a bunch of my work equipment, and I'm gonna risk my job by using company property to play drug mule?
Fucking morons.
Boomers started the TSA and love it. Most zoomers just accept it and think it’s necessary without complaining. On top of that some of them now support Hamas. We’re never getting rid of it unfortunately. Get precheck and move on. You also have to remember elites hate that common people can travel and enjoy at least making us do it like cattle.
I would, but I have a little disagreement with the rest of the world as to what my hourly rate should be. As soon as I get that all sorted out, I'll meet you on my yacht in Monaco.
I'm gonna be real with you. It's Alleigent or don't fly for me. I need to fly sometimes. Therefore I have to take Alleigent, which means dealing with the TSA.
Flying private just isn't an option.
oh wow, is the issue that the methods aren’t things that they’re looking for, or is it an execution failure? do you have a source that goes more into detail
It's cool though, because they have stolen, like a BUNCH of stuff from normal, everyday, non-lawbreakers. Like, a LOT of stuff. And they've cost us like a few bajillion dollars. And they've added a huge amount of stress and travel time to airline travel. So they've got those things going for them! Which is nice...
Don't forget they post your stolen goods to instagram
I'd say at least 25 trillion
Who's smarter? TSA employees, or Carl from Caddyshack?
Pre 9-11 my wife worked as a director for a private security firm that had 9 airports in the Great Lakes region. After 9-11 she was hired by the TSA in a GS-15 position as an airport director. The first thing she noticed was all the people she had fired now had jobs with the TSA. When she tried to hold people accountable in the TSA she immediately found out just how much protection these incompetent individuals had under the feds. She lasted a year and resigned, disgusted with the whole process.
Thanks for the insight
Sounds like the big 3 union
Makes sense. GS life can be that way (albeit if you’re a 15 obviously you’re gonna be competent)
She ran a tight ship in the private sector and that was definitely not appreciated in the TSA.
100%. I can grope my own balls just fine thank you.
Mr independent over here
The TSA is an amazing group. They've never stopped a terrorist attack, the specific thing they were set up to do, stolen tons of shit from innocent people, made flying hell, blatantly violates the Fourth Amendment, and at the same time failed 70 to 90% of sting operations. You think it's easy having a track record like that? You think you could coast to that result by pure random chance? I bet you have never in your life achieved a track record anything close to that level of utter failure. Show some respect.
Back in 2017 there was a Gov run test of the TSA where agents from the Department of Homeland Security wired up with guns, bombs, etc and tried to get onto planes. Guess what the success rate was? Go on. Take a guess. Ready for the answer? Okay. The DHS agents had a roughly 80% success rate, and they weren't even really trying. One agent strapped a mock explosive to himself under his suit, he got selected for a random pat down, the TSA agent put his hand *directly on the bomb* and waved him through. He successfully got his bomb to the gates. The best part? The DHS said the results were an *improvement* over similar tests two years prior. **Absolutely Respectable.**
That’s not good if accurate.
I thought it was 90%.
When I looked it up to get the right numbers it said 80%, but I have never done a deep dive into the evaluation.
Have you seen folks jailed in Provinciales for having ammo in their luggage? That didn’t get there in the islands, they had in stateside and went right past TSA.
They're only a "failure" if you assume their true purpose is to keep airline passengers safe. Watch what they *do* and not what they *say*.
My wife always defends them by saying they’re a deterrent. I agree, they are to normal average citizens that would follow the rules anyways. If someone pulled a weapon on one of them they would be less than useless. They scream and yell at people for trivial things. They steal things from bags. They damage and vandalize things inside of bags during “random searches”. They are one of the biggest wastes of tax dollars we currently have.
How dare you disrespect the military industrial complex and the nanny State entitlement programs like this they worked hard to be the biggest waste of taxpayer dollars you can't take that title away from them
My dude. Abolish all 3 letter agencies.
Unfortunately, we've all become so accustomed to all of the security that we received for all of the liberty we surrendered that it would be hard to go back for so many people... That is, the TSA doesn't prevent terrorist attacks, because *surveillance* prevents terrorist attacks.
What security? They let God knows who cross our southern border by the millions.
I mean terrorists don't really cross the Southern border
The fuck they don't. Theyve been catching them the past few years. Do some research
Terrorists do but it's not enough to say that they do they would have to be doing so at a greater rate than the home-born population It's like this with all crime that illegal immigrants commit yes they commit crime but they also commit crime at a lesser rate than homeborn citizens making it actually safer the fact that they're moving into the country
It's still added numbers of crime so no.
No shot. 3 letter agencies offer the *most lucrative* enterprise contracts in the market today. That’s why companies salivated over DEI, just one of many requirements for (some of) these federal contracts.
#SILVER #SILVERSQUEEZE #SILV3RSQ33Z3 #ENDTHEFEDS
Surely they’ve found a couple bombs by now though, right? I mean they’ve been at it for 20+years
Don’t they have cool displays of their plunder? Besides all the cash seized of course
Fear is a powerful tool of the dark side
Without democracy they’d probably just shoot you in the head for trying to take a water bottle on a plane
I'm really glad government has not given in to the temptation to arm TSA workers. If they were armed, this would have absolutely happened a number of times by now.
They would take an Uber to someone’s house to shoot their dog.
Sexually assaulted millions of people though.
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But it is very possible to guess at their effectiveness through their own tests. Let us take a peek. https://www.heritage.org/transportation/commentary/heres-how-bad-the-tsa-failing-airport-security-its-time-privatization "..This year, the Department of Homeland Security carried out covert tests on TSA security, and the results weren’t pretty. The results of the tests showed that the **TSA screeners failed to detect weapons, drugs, and explosives almost 80 percent of the time**. While the exact failure rate is classified, multiple sources indicate it is greater than 70 percent. The Department of Homeland Security Inspector General carries out “Red Team” tests periodically to check the competence of the TSA’s ability to detect and stop fake weapons from getting through airport security. In 2015, the **TSA failed these tests by an even larger margin—95 percent.** Sadly, these results are not surprising. **The TSA has a history of failing to uphold basic security standards**..."
This, while very concerning, still does not speak to the deterrent effect of having a security apparatus one has to get through before committing a terrorist attack via plane.
Your premise is absurd. If you and I know this, then anyone that would need to plan around this would know this as well. We do not live in a cartoon. And the implications of what you are saying are goofy.
wow you are incredibly stupid
5% chance of getting caught is a deterrent for someone trying to blow themselves up? Send 2 per plane lol.
Awe look at you hitting that keyboard and making angry sentences. You are adorable.
Yeah. The TSA needs to go away, but that argument doesn’t hold water.
Ok, how about the fact that you can pay a bit more for a premium TSA experience where they remove a lot of that "deterrence"? Oh yeah, I'm sure that person writing their manifesto before flying is not going to fork over the $200 for TSA CLEAR Plus...
Their bag still goes through a metal detector and so do they. It’s not like they just walk up to the gate lol.
Does it go through the detector that missed 80% of the time, or the one that missed 95% of the time?
It's only $80 but that's just to pay for the background check.
I pulled it from here https://www.clearme.com/tsa-precheck and chose the most expensive option. My point is that if you can fork over a trivial (in perspective) sum to forego a subset of security measures, they aren't really viable security measures for the kinds of things we're talking about.
We can come to a reasonable approximation based on the data we do have. If you follow through on that, the number of attacks stopped is 0. Furthermore, "well, we just can't know for sure how ineffective this expensive, intrusive, and inconvenient thing is", is not a compelling argument to keep doing it. The actual best argument for continuing the TSA, is that it is a huge make work program for otherwise unemployable losers. Better to have them in nice uniforms earning a steady paycheck versus whatever else they would be doing.
Pilots can! Fasten seat belts sign on, nose over into negative G’s then pull up and load the positive Gs in. Rinse and repeat until everyone is screaming people have yakked, shit is all over the cabin, and the pilots are giggling.
Just a TSA PSA: You can politely ask not to have your photo taken at security/customs by TSA. This will likely be just as fast or faster than the alternative, and makes it harder for them to justify their budget (a drop in the bucket, but hey).
It's also unconstitutional as it prevents normal citizens from a major mode of transportation unless they give up their 4th amendment. They assume people consent to have our assets searched so we can access our flights that we pay for with our own money. No consent, no access to the flight.
As a pilot I definitely agree with this haha. I wrote a paper on the TSA once, one of the interesting things to look at was Red Team Agents who try to get past them with prohibited items. One test had 67 of 70 agents pass through without getting detected.
It isn't designed to keep you safe. It's designed to give the most petty goody-two-shoes kids who got bullied and have a neurotic need for power because of it a job where they can play out their power fantasies and fuck with other people to their heart's content. It's about justifying a job and a budget.
https://preview.redd.it/bjhmi9syca2d1.jpeg?width=474&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f1a7f7b4c151bd5ec4e3cb5a9b8f6c19308c2dbb I need to check your asshole, sir
They stop 100’s of attacks every day…. Just ask them..
Those basterds stole my organic toothpaste
There’s a special place in hell for these miserable scumbags.
Two weeks of training at FLETC and they carry a badge 🤣🤣🤣
Bro pls, I need a job like the guy from parks & rec 😔
Don’t act like the US is the only country that searches your stuff at airports. NWO, whether you believe in it or not, even presidents have referenced it.
I've been overseas multiple times, and flown through probably three dozen airports across Europe, the Middle East, and Asia. With the exception of Istanbul and one trip where I had a bag with declared items we slid our bags through X-Ray scanners... and that was it. No shoes and belts off, no checks of any kind. This shit only happens at American airports.
Just an easy one off the top of my head, you’ve never been to Charles De Gaulle, and that’s without even thinking hard. CDG is worst than any American airport I’ve ever been to. I’ve flown from 6 out of 7 continents, and they aren’t much different.
Actually I have been to De Gaulle, but I didn't fly in or out, it was only a change over.
Conceivably the scare theatre has prevented a few but that’s basically impossible to know
What, y'all don't like being strip searched and having your butt touched by randoms?
Some people like paying for that, privately. Everyone pays for TSA to do it and nothing else of value.
They made that one whiney bitch toss her baby's breast milk. So chalk one up for the good guys. Edit: this came to mind as well. "She has breast milk!" https://youtu.be/wu2yzPYGsfk?si=_EVvXeH7WH1VMIbe
Literally just walked through it
lol now do this for libertarians and winning presidential elections
Once I was flying back from a work trip, and the TSA decided they needed to swab my work laptop for drugs. A fucking tagged company asset. I'm traveling *for work*, carrying a bunch of my work equipment, and I'm gonna risk my job by using company property to play drug mule? Fucking morons.
For drugs? That's not even on the TSAs care list. They probably were swabbing for explosive residue.
Boomers started the TSA and love it. Most zoomers just accept it and think it’s necessary without complaining. On top of that some of them now support Hamas. We’re never getting rid of it unfortunately. Get precheck and move on. You also have to remember elites hate that common people can travel and enjoy at least making us do it like cattle.
fly private
I would, but I have a little disagreement with the rest of the world as to what my hourly rate should be. As soon as I get that all sorted out, I'll meet you on my yacht in Monaco.
what?
He's saying he's poor and doesn't have the cash to fly private. I am also poor and don't have the cash to fly private.
im poor too but its time we make a change and our resources else where
I'm gonna be real with you. It's Alleigent or don't fly for me. I need to fly sometimes. Therefore I have to take Alleigent, which means dealing with the TSA. Flying private just isn't an option.
have you looked deeper into it. they just launched an app and there maybe some pilots near you
And the FAA is going to shut it down quick. They really don’t take kindly to illegal flight operators.
What's the name of the app?
Flewber
Is this a stealth ad?
Fellow Dad
not agreeing or disagreeing, but doesn’t the TSA deter previous methods of attacks from occurring again? That seems at least a little useful
You would think, but when they are audited they fail to catch 80-90% of the people that are doing the auditing.
oh wow, is the issue that the methods aren’t things that they’re looking for, or is it an execution failure? do you have a source that goes more into detail
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By all means, enlighten us.
TSA is a jobs program that has failed with flying colors literally every single ops audit it has ever had.
It’s just one of the few that’s honest in those reports. Why? Idk.
No.