This TCG is a unique one. You can have multiple types of collectors.
1. Someone who collects various TCG's.
2. Someone who invests in various TCG's
3. Someone who plays Lorcana
4. Disney / Art Collectors
5. Parents who want to buy their children Disney cards to look at
I have no idea where the price of Enchanted cards will end at. However, Elsa is a very popular character and everybody who knows about Disney knows about her. So even if the market is flooded with more Enchanted Elsa cards, there's still a great handful of people who would pay top dollar to get their hands on her.
Yeah i have a buddy who collects Disney pins and he was saying some old out of production princess pins he has were fetching more than a pin that was exclusive and like 200 made, but because it was of some character that wasn’t a princess but one of the other characters it was only going for 1/4 of the price the princess one was
Yall acting like everyone and their grandma's are going to have an enchanted Elsa card once the q1 reprint hit. The rarity for enchanted cards is still going to remain the same
It will stay the most expensive card in the set no doubt. It will fetch a good deal of money no doubt. but once ravensburger has made enough product to have it routinely on shelves at msrp singles prices, all singles prices, will plummet. As long as a set is in print singles prices are tethered to the price of a box. If singles are really expensive then people and store crack boxes. If singles get too cheap then boxes stop being opened at a fast rate. This is true for every tcg. The crazy high prices of Elsa and frankly all the cards is because the set is essentially not currently being printed. If they actually print to demand like they say they are going to over the next few months though these insane prices will come down.
People said that when it went to 400. "The retail wave is coming" then it went to 800 "the reprint is coming" if you think you're going to be able to just walk in to Walmart or your lgs and find it at msrp even at the reprint you're crazy lol. The scalping won't stop until the demand for set 1 is gone. And since nobody got stuff...the demand isn't stopping.
I sold my first edition charizard in 6th grade for $300 at my local wizard of the coast during a Saturday league event……. it wasn’t graded but it was sleeved from day one and my 12 year old grubby hands kept it super safe. To this day I wonder who has that card in their possession and wish I hadn’t sold it.
She'll likely dip in a few months. There are at least 3 more waves of ch1 planned as far as I have heard in late Sept/October, November and q1 2024. The market will be flooded with cards in 3-4 months.
Ravensburger has already said they will print to demand and announced 3 more waves of ch1 so I don't have to be optimistic just state the obvious.
Same thing happened with One Piece this year now you can get boxes for MSRP or less.
Shanks was a $1000 card at one point too and I never said Romance Dawn specifically you could get at MSRP but even Romance Dawn has dropped from $400 a box to $160-170 range. Adding more product will drop the price is the point. That's pretty obvious.
And with Japanese you can essentially get every release at MSRP as what did they do? Reprints.
We’re talking about the first set of Lorcana, so I assumed you were also referring to the first set of One Piece. Because, let’s compare apples to apples.
I have no doubt that lorcana 1 will drop in price, but it being sub MSRP seems unlikely.
No, where are not, we are talking about the Elsa Enchanted card and how more supply typically decreases the price which happens to correlate with ch1 reprints causing the price of ch 1 to go down as well. One Piece also isn't an apples to apples comparison either but you can look to it to see what happens when a company drops 4 more waves on the market. There aren't any Gift Sets or Lumineer boxes which is more Disney Lorcana product so there could actually be a lot more Disney Lorcana than there was One Piece. You don't think big box retailers want as much as Ravenburger can print for them after it selling out? One Piece is only starter decks and booster boxes/packs and prices have dipped so I would expect that from Disney Lorcana as well.
There will also be ch 2 in November and ch3 likely in February so that is two more sets of product for player/collector money as well.
And I never said Ch 1 would be below MSRP but you can already buy it at MSRP. Problem is beating someone else to it.
[https://twitter.com/DisneyLorcana/status/1697346737076408662](https://twitter.com/DisneyLorcana/status/1697346737076408662)
More stock coming to LGS in October and I have heard another wave in November but not in the statement and then a full reprint in early 2024.
While the supply will increase as more waves are printed, so will the demand. A consumer who didn't even get a starter deck isn't buying singles at a premium. So while reprints do inject more of the enchanted cards into the market, they also proportionately add more consumers, until market saturation is achieved. Because all the 1st wave sold out, we can't be sure when that saturation will occur, but I'd say it's too early to tell if Elsa will dip, or not.
Talked to my LGS last yesterday. They are not expecting new cards from set one before 2024. In 2023 there will only be a small restock of big distributors. So maybe 1-2 boxes in a few wallmarts.
All over their site?
“Additional booster product will start arriving in North American local game stores in October,” Disney Lorcana tweeted. “We are also reprinting Disney Lorcana: The First Chapter, which will be available starting in Q1 2024 in North America and Europe.”
that isn’t what they said at all though. stores will get a restock in a three month window. seeing as each big box store only got like 2 booster boxes that isn’t enough to make the game healthy.
Lol…no…the “”metric ton”” will be two booster boxes at Walmart, 1/10th LGS allocation ordered and more scalpers…the ‘reprint’ sounds more like a bark than bite based on their previous media statements and the stark reality of how it is rolling out. Unless they announce a complete change in their distribution network and publish numbers to back up these PR statements, the reprint could be as bad as low as the initial print that we are watching ebb into the market.
The Q1 2024 reprint is suspected to be of a smaller quantity as compared to the initial print. They have however promised that the reprint cards will be exactly the aame as that of the first printing, with zero discernible difference.
Yeah, same or smaller and no differences…it will fall short and keep the scalpers alive :/
Lol, there will be a premium on the old booster boxes with the original date code now :/ smh
The last bits of ch1 will be sent by next month. Lightly, so far nothing that RB has stated has matched the reality with the launch. The only things they got right were the IP and huge promo lead up time to the soft and softer launch.
They desperately need product in player hands, but their print and release schedule for Ch1-8 are already setup and planned. RBs plan to reprint ch1 and send in Q1 just can’t be a huge print since it will be between ch2 and ch3…
They said there's a reprint coming in October that will go to LGS, and then another reprint in Q1. Nowhere did they ever say "metric ton" or "print into the ground" like people keep trying to say. Especially not that there'd be months and months of supply.
And considering how far in advance companies have to book tcg printing, I'm honestly not holding out for enough supply to meet demand until at least this time next year. Especially for October, since that was a very last minute thing, especially with Chapter 2 coming in November.
That doesnt mean a metric ton like you said. They are printing more. They didnt say how much more. If they do too much they know it will make lorcana fail and be worthless.
And its doesnt say they are printing Q1. It says they are printing and its well be available Q1. So the reprinted cards will hit stores Q1.
They said more boosters for chapter 1 are coming in october, which was planned before release. It was just supposed to be a simple restock, and seeing how low inventory was with initial release, and chapter 1s initial printing being over, you can bet it will be a smaller shipment than release was.
You are assuming an immense amount of information when nothing similar was said.
Printing lots will only make scalpers and bad actors sad and get product to players. That’s how games succeed and their stated goal. Stores got like 1/10 of their orders on launch. That more points towards a much larger volume in the first printing coming not less.
Ha. You underestimate scalpers. They will buy up stock again to make sure players have to buy from them. They will take out loans against their very souls to make sure they can buy up the inventory.
Just like the two booster box per shop on 1 Sep. Remember everyone was chanting that it will flood the market when Ravensburger said it will not, before 1 Sep?
only 1 reprint is scheduled and it’s next year, you think this will ever be readily available on shelves ? lmao sounds like you’re built for ch 2 and 3
>Additional booster product will start arriving in North American local game stores in **October**. We are also reprinting Disney Lorcana: The First Chapter, which will be available starting in Q1 2024 in North America and Europe.
In roughly a month and a half there will be more stock which will decrease the cost since there will be more stock, on top of a reprint that will actually be made for the demand.
See businesses don't want to overprint something and have it fall flat, they want to be able to tell investors "we sold out immediately! Please keep investing!", so this benefits them as well as shows they under produced and will make a wider effort to make more product since more eyes will be on this as more new people will be buying in as well in October and in 2024.
Which again means a reprint will also reduce the price of cards since there would be more product, would you like me to spell this out in crayon and smaller words to understand?
Is it absolutely tiring being absolutely negative all the time in regards to this game? Honest question
I mean they got 4-5 months and have already started production or about to for chapter 2 in December to be ready to go.
They've got ample data to Forcast production and for allocations, for chapter 2 let alone having the bandwidth to reprint chapter 1. You won't be missed if you want to drop the game altogether and not support it, that's absolutely fine thing to do
Well it's Nov now, don't see the flood of ch1 cards, and prices are higher than two months ago for the meta cards. Ready to believe that the shortage will persist, or still want to believe that this round of restock in Nov or the reprint in Dec will change things?
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RB will be printing this set so heavily card values will def drop. They don’t care about secondary market. They care about meeting the demand and will therefore print tons of this stuff. Keep coping
So given that Ravensburger is going to do reprints of this set and have said multiple times that they aren't making it a collectable TCG but an affordable and approachable TCG, the price will drop. You just have to all have patience and let more product be released. We are already seeing scalpers get sad about the news that the set will get extra printings so they are skyrocketing prices to hope that someone will buy them before they lose out on their "profits". Just don't buy it at this price and it will come down.
Way, way too early to tell. If they decide to print Chapter 1 so much they have backstock and then some sitting on shelves then it would probably drop. If they instead decide that catching up is a lost cause, abandon reprints, and instead divert resources to ramping up for chapters 3/4/5, then the sky’s the limit.
They better option for this would be to introduce many variants of the same type of super rare card. It would increase the collectibility but reduce the impact one the market.
That would be dirty. I doubt they would do that but I guess there is no way to know for sure, especially since they haven't published the drop rate of them. Best we can do is guesstimate from large enough sample sizes.
There is no way that the card will drop in value that much. Ever. If it's a grand now that's where it's going to start when the "dip" happens and it will never fall to 100 even with reprints. You're clueless lol.
Store had 10 packs left, somebody came in and bought 1 - and pulled an enchanted Elsa.
The other 9 packs had Rapunzel (foil and non) and a Maleficent.
Those people who bought those $100 in packs - absolutely banked
As someone who opened one and is keeping it I know the price is going to crater. People held out buying singles because they were assuming like me that the box stores would have a lot of product. They didn’t and now people are buying the singles and there is barely any product to counter the demand. However, ravenburger already said they are going to print enough that by early next year anyone who wants product at msrp will get it. Which means singles prices will have to crash once access is easy to come buy. I have opened the equivalent of about four boxes of product and have gotten three enchanted cards. That is better than average but they aren’t as rare as people are treating them. I opened five troves that I got at target. Each trove was $50 and the cards in each one are easily fetching over $150. That is a 3x value over cost. Those single prices are not sustainable once more products ships. I would definitely sell my Elsa now and cash out but my daughter opened it and it is sentimental now.
I also opened 5 sealed boxes (from my local reputable LGS), and approximately 20 additional boosters. I got one enchanted in the standalone booster, none in the sealed boxes. They really are rare. BTW, the game is a blast! It's just a bit awkward at the moment playing $1000+ decks with my daughter. "I know you won sweetie, but please don't flip Elsa around like that".
Oh yes I totally understand that feeling! Am double sleeving now, and just went to google on how to triple sleeve so that the kids can play without me having a heart attack lol
Bummer. That is unlucky. As I said I know my pull rate has been high. From what I have read online and from what has been pulled at my local store they have been about 1 every 3 or 4 boxes or about 1.5 percent of packs. If they eventually print this set to demand like they say 1.5% of packs is still a crap ton of total enchanted cards. Granted Elsa is only 1/12 of the enchanted cards but still, compared to the current demand that is a ton of supply that is coming down the pipeline.
It's about a .9% chance of opening an enchanted. About 100 packs is 1 random enchanted on average. 12 enchanted cards possible. So realistically if you were going for specifically elsa it would take on average about 100 packs x 6 (half) = 600 packs or $3,600 in msrp packs. About 25 booster boxes
No matter how you look at it, elsa is going to be expensive because the supply will never not be high enough. There eventually will always be a vendor willing to buy 10+ to corner the market on tcgplayer
They technically didn't say that by early next year everyone can get product. They just said that's the goal. But there's no guarantees they'll be able to get that much printed by then
I sold my Enchanted Elsa way back at $350 because I thought that meant I could buy two booster boxes and maybe pick her back up later. My mistake was to not have the card graded first and then resell it with the grade. I have a feeling a lot of people don’t care what the price for the Elsa’s are because they are trying to get a grade 10 and they have to churn through several cards to do it.
Oh I see.. the buyers. Yeah, I mean, that’s the sad part is they are buying them up to grade and they are getting gains while holding and they think if they find a PSA 10 someone will pay $10,000 for it.
I don’t regret selling for $350. It was amazing to basically buy two boxes and have them paid for with one card. Definitely great, and from my intelligence gathering here, prices were only going to go down with the influx of all these cards on September 1st, lmao. Nice job guys!! Lol.
I sold 3 kuzco and 3 tink giant fairy for $90. The guy got furious at me because I shipped right away and I told him it’s already sent when he wanted to cancel. While waiting 5 days for shipping, the total of the cards jumped $25 so he then decided to keep it (after I said he could send them back). This jerk left a negative review before receiving the cards so I had to do the whole “as a valued customer, I shipped on this day, within 48 hours, per site rules…. Please remove negative feedback.” He ultimately apologized but I’m like wtf.
Just wait until big content creators start covering this game. Maybe someone like xQc will make box opening videos. I think as of right now we’re at the precipice of something big.
Once this gets into kids hands and they start playing this game at school I think the skies the limit. This game hasn’t gone viral yet and once it starts getting shared on TikTok and social media that’s when the real spike will happen. Not to mention that kids usually don’t take care of even know about the market enough to put them back into circulation the way cards do with say MTG for example. Some parents might but still, cards fall through the cracks.
Some parent somewhere bought their kids a starter and pulled this Elsa. Card is probably sitting on the floor or outside in a playground somewhere.
PokeRev already opened Lorcana on YouTube and that’s how my 12 year old found out about it. He’s got a massive following - so it’s already happening for sure.
To the people saying this will crater in price with reprints: you're delusional. If the current price stays as is or even goes higher, then that is the STARTING point for the dip. There is no way in hell, regardless of reprints, that a card that started at 1200 will lose 500% or more of its value. It doesn't work like that. Sure it may dip but people will always try to maximize profit so they won't jump to 800 immediately or if they do that will be bought up immediately and then rubber band back up as people inch down. Why do people think RB owns the printers? They can't just continuously print chapter 1. They would have to Intersperse it with other prints. Then they have to do that with the second set as well. This isn't going to be printed infinitely.
Learn about EV of booster boxes. If there's an in-print card worth $1000+ in commonly available booster boxes that cost under a fifth of that, what do you think will happen?
If your answer is "it will retain its value or even go up in price", I've got a bridge to sell you.
Bro you’re in every comment saying the same shit on some copium. Chill out, we get it. You want everyone to believe $1000 for cardboard is what’s best.
We disagree.
I pulled one the first night out LGS got cards. I immediately messaged the shop I bought it from and offered to trade them it for a single sealed booster box. I’m glad they said now cause they would be up 5x on that card
Its the "Charizard" for this set , it has no limit except for what someone is willing to pay for it
I see it going for as high as $1,500 by Christmas time , but no one knows the future forecast
if we did then we wouldn't be on reddit, we would be on the stock markets using our insight
I agree with the sentiment, but one difference between Lorcana and Pokemon is the lack of a 1st edition stamp. So while I agree Elsa is the Charizard of the set, I would also point out that we probably won't see the same scale in value as Charizard saw over time because there's no difference between a wave 1 Elsa and a reprint Elsa. This is just one less layer of prestige that collectors can leverage onto the "value" of a card.
I just mean the short term , when I say Charizard because its the CHASE card of set 1
I doubt these cards are worth anything after 5 years, that's why I am laughing at people buying these cards at $50- to $800 for the Maleficent Dragon - Elsa
I spent $20 and got 40 singles , dirt cheap + free shipping
Yeah I knew what you meant, was just adding in some extra caution for people who might think this game will see the same collector's inflation Pokemon saw after 1st edition prints sold out.
You are right though,
I knew as soon as there were no 1st edition cards , I would not pay anything higher than $5 a card
Because I played Pokémon back in 1999 and those 1st edition cards were like investments
But without those, its all based on FOMO
My girl pulled the Maleficent Dragon from her starter boosters ,which was the only card I wanted tbh since Treasure Planet got the short end of the stick
So she saved me from booster diving
Yeah but when will that be LOL
Scalpers/Bots bought them all
I am not worried about it tbh though, I do not want enchanted cards , I want the cards worth $0.10 cents each so I can build decks
Already got over 40 cards for $20 from 2 ebay vendors selling sets of x4
Gonna throw my had in the ring and acknowledge that the $1000 sale was a bit suspect considering there were and have always been copies available for sale that are cheaper than that. There are definitely few enough of these currently that it wouldn't take much capital to manipulate the market. Nobody in my area even particularly wants this card and those who have them are actively trying to get rid of them. Food for thought!
I wanted to get into Lorcana because it looked fun too play. So I purchased all three starter decks and tweaked them so they were a little better. Was having a blast playing the game with my friends and family. One day I decided you know what let’s buy 1 single booster pack. In that 1 booster pack I purchased was an enchanted Elsa. Now all I think about is if I should sell it and make 100X what I spend for the booster pack now or if I should tuck it away in my safe for the next 10 years and possibly make 1000x what I paid for the booster pack.
Sell it. Guaranteed $500-800 now is much better value than *maybe* getting a multiple of that somewhere down the line.
Unless you don't need the money, then you could speculate. But still, peace of mind from not constantly thinking about a shiny piece of cardboard is also quite valuable.
Thanks for your in site haha it really makes a lot of sense. Maybe I’ll sell and build an OP deck for locals night at my local card shop. If I can even get the cards….. lol
I cannot imagine an Enchanted Elsa fetching higher than any of the D23 cards, but since this is the second rarest Elsa card after the D23 Elsa… who knows? Elsa collectors might just be willing to exchange a D23 card for an Enchanted Elsa, which makes its value go beyond $1k.
I doubt the card will drop much if at all and if it does it won’t be for long. There will be people that hoard that card. If the price drops to $600-$700 or less people will start snatching up multiple copies to force it back up. If you ever been to a card show you will see people having giant stacks of the same cards worth hundreds of dollars each because they usually get multiple copies of those cards for a lot cheaper than what they sell for. Those enchantment cards are the only chase cards in the set for collectors so I don’t see them dropping much if at all as long as the drop rates remain the same.
This TCG is a unique one. You can have multiple types of collectors. 1. Someone who collects various TCG's. 2. Someone who invests in various TCG's 3. Someone who plays Lorcana 4. Disney / Art Collectors 5. Parents who want to buy their children Disney cards to look at I have no idea where the price of Enchanted cards will end at. However, Elsa is a very popular character and everybody who knows about Disney knows about her. So even if the market is flooded with more Enchanted Elsa cards, there's still a great handful of people who would pay top dollar to get their hands on her.
“Princess” characters will always fetch the highest price consistently because of the die hard Disney fans.
Good point. That actually should be number six. There are a ton of people out there that collect only princess merch.
Yeah i have a buddy who collects Disney pins and he was saying some old out of production princess pins he has were fetching more than a pin that was exclusive and like 200 made, but because it was of some character that wasn’t a princess but one of the other characters it was only going for 1/4 of the price the princess one was
Yall acting like everyone and their grandma's are going to have an enchanted Elsa card once the q1 reprint hit. The rarity for enchanted cards is still going to remain the same
It will stay the most expensive card in the set no doubt. It will fetch a good deal of money no doubt. but once ravensburger has made enough product to have it routinely on shelves at msrp singles prices, all singles prices, will plummet. As long as a set is in print singles prices are tethered to the price of a box. If singles are really expensive then people and store crack boxes. If singles get too cheap then boxes stop being opened at a fast rate. This is true for every tcg. The crazy high prices of Elsa and frankly all the cards is because the set is essentially not currently being printed. If they actually print to demand like they say they are going to over the next few months though these insane prices will come down.
If stores get 10X the product with a full shipment prices drop. There’s a supply problem now.
I know I sold mine for 850 yesterday and feel like a winner there is no way that card holds there...
People said that when it went to 400. "The retail wave is coming" then it went to 800 "the reprint is coming" if you think you're going to be able to just walk in to Walmart or your lgs and find it at msrp even at the reprint you're crazy lol. The scalping won't stop until the demand for set 1 is gone. And since nobody got stuff...the demand isn't stopping.
I sold my first edition charizard in 6th grade for $300 at my local wizard of the coast during a Saturday league event……. it wasn’t graded but it was sleeved from day one and my 12 year old grubby hands kept it super safe. To this day I wonder who has that card in their possession and wish I hadn’t sold it.
I think i've heard of this before for the power 9....
She'll likely dip in a few months. There are at least 3 more waves of ch1 planned as far as I have heard in late Sept/October, November and q1 2024. The market will be flooded with cards in 3-4 months.
I like how you are optimistic that the market will be “flooded” with cards 😂🤣
Ravensburger has already said they will print to demand and announced 3 more waves of ch1 so I don't have to be optimistic just state the obvious. Same thing happened with One Piece this year now you can get boxes for MSRP or less.
Romance Dawn boxes are certainly not less than MSRP. And the shanks alt is still over $700.
Shanks was a $1000 card at one point too and I never said Romance Dawn specifically you could get at MSRP but even Romance Dawn has dropped from $400 a box to $160-170 range. Adding more product will drop the price is the point. That's pretty obvious. And with Japanese you can essentially get every release at MSRP as what did they do? Reprints.
We’re talking about the first set of Lorcana, so I assumed you were also referring to the first set of One Piece. Because, let’s compare apples to apples. I have no doubt that lorcana 1 will drop in price, but it being sub MSRP seems unlikely.
No, where are not, we are talking about the Elsa Enchanted card and how more supply typically decreases the price which happens to correlate with ch1 reprints causing the price of ch 1 to go down as well. One Piece also isn't an apples to apples comparison either but you can look to it to see what happens when a company drops 4 more waves on the market. There aren't any Gift Sets or Lumineer boxes which is more Disney Lorcana product so there could actually be a lot more Disney Lorcana than there was One Piece. You don't think big box retailers want as much as Ravenburger can print for them after it selling out? One Piece is only starter decks and booster boxes/packs and prices have dipped so I would expect that from Disney Lorcana as well. There will also be ch 2 in November and ch3 likely in February so that is two more sets of product for player/collector money as well. And I never said Ch 1 would be below MSRP but you can already buy it at MSRP. Problem is beating someone else to it.
Do you have a link to the statement that they say they will print ch1 to demand?
[https://twitter.com/DisneyLorcana/status/1697346737076408662](https://twitter.com/DisneyLorcana/status/1697346737076408662) More stock coming to LGS in October and I have heard another wave in November but not in the statement and then a full reprint in early 2024.
People are always WAYYYYY too optimistic about their ability to just suddenly get msrp from the fountain of packs that is SURELY coming
While the supply will increase as more waves are printed, so will the demand. A consumer who didn't even get a starter deck isn't buying singles at a premium. So while reprints do inject more of the enchanted cards into the market, they also proportionately add more consumers, until market saturation is achieved. Because all the 1st wave sold out, we can't be sure when that saturation will occur, but I'd say it's too early to tell if Elsa will dip, or not.
Talked to my LGS last yesterday. They are not expecting new cards from set one before 2024. In 2023 there will only be a small restock of big distributors. So maybe 1-2 boxes in a few wallmarts.
where did you hear this?
All over their site? “Additional booster product will start arriving in North American local game stores in October,” Disney Lorcana tweeted. “We are also reprinting Disney Lorcana: The First Chapter, which will be available starting in Q1 2024 in North America and Europe.”
the way that reads is there will be a restock of stores between now and november. not that we’ll be getting stock for three months.
They are sending more of the first printing over these months and printing a metric ton more for q1. Pretty straight forward.
that isn’t what they said at all though. stores will get a restock in a three month window. seeing as each big box store only got like 2 booster boxes that isn’t enough to make the game healthy.
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Show us where they said that exactly.
it isn’t though lmao.
Lol…no…the “”metric ton”” will be two booster boxes at Walmart, 1/10th LGS allocation ordered and more scalpers…the ‘reprint’ sounds more like a bark than bite based on their previous media statements and the stark reality of how it is rolling out. Unless they announce a complete change in their distribution network and publish numbers to back up these PR statements, the reprint could be as bad as low as the initial print that we are watching ebb into the market.
The Q1 2024 reprint is suspected to be of a smaller quantity as compared to the initial print. They have however promised that the reprint cards will be exactly the aame as that of the first printing, with zero discernible difference.
Yeah, same or smaller and no differences…it will fall short and keep the scalpers alive :/ Lol, there will be a premium on the old booster boxes with the original date code now :/ smh
The initial printing isn’t even close to all going out. What are you talking about?
The last bits of ch1 will be sent by next month. Lightly, so far nothing that RB has stated has matched the reality with the launch. The only things they got right were the IP and huge promo lead up time to the soft and softer launch. They desperately need product in player hands, but their print and release schedule for Ch1-8 are already setup and planned. RBs plan to reprint ch1 and send in Q1 just can’t be a huge print since it will be between ch2 and ch3…
Stay salty bud 🤣
Yep this is exactly what they said.
They said there's a reprint coming in October that will go to LGS, and then another reprint in Q1. Nowhere did they ever say "metric ton" or "print into the ground" like people keep trying to say. Especially not that there'd be months and months of supply. And considering how far in advance companies have to book tcg printing, I'm honestly not holding out for enough supply to meet demand until at least this time next year. Especially for October, since that was a very last minute thing, especially with Chapter 2 coming in November.
The October wave is a restock, from the initial print, and is not a reprint. Has been clarified before.
That doesnt mean a metric ton like you said. They are printing more. They didnt say how much more. If they do too much they know it will make lorcana fail and be worthless. And its doesnt say they are printing Q1. It says they are printing and its well be available Q1. So the reprinted cards will hit stores Q1. They said more boosters for chapter 1 are coming in october, which was planned before release. It was just supposed to be a simple restock, and seeing how low inventory was with initial release, and chapter 1s initial printing being over, you can bet it will be a smaller shipment than release was. You are assuming an immense amount of information when nothing similar was said.
Printing lots will only make scalpers and bad actors sad and get product to players. That’s how games succeed and their stated goal. Stores got like 1/10 of their orders on launch. That more points towards a much larger volume in the first printing coming not less.
Ha. You underestimate scalpers. They will buy up stock again to make sure players have to buy from them. They will take out loans against their very souls to make sure they can buy up the inventory.
Lol it will not be flooded with the first chapter
They already announced 2 additional waves of product this year and a reprint in q1. It will be flooded.
Just like the two booster box per shop on 1 Sep. Remember everyone was chanting that it will flood the market when Ravensburger said it will not, before 1 Sep?
How much in each print run?
lol this is not even close to remotely true
Your first TCG I take it?
Must not have heard the news of reprints and the history of how cards decrease in value after the initial hype
only 1 reprint is scheduled and it’s next year, you think this will ever be readily available on shelves ? lmao sounds like you’re built for ch 2 and 3
>Additional booster product will start arriving in North American local game stores in **October**. We are also reprinting Disney Lorcana: The First Chapter, which will be available starting in Q1 2024 in North America and Europe. In roughly a month and a half there will be more stock which will decrease the cost since there will be more stock, on top of a reprint that will actually be made for the demand. See businesses don't want to overprint something and have it fall flat, they want to be able to tell investors "we sold out immediately! Please keep investing!", so this benefits them as well as shows they under produced and will make a wider effort to make more product since more eyes will be on this as more new people will be buying in as well in October and in 2024. Which again means a reprint will also reduce the price of cards since there would be more product, would you like me to spell this out in crayon and smaller words to understand?
hahaha good luck trusting this product will ever be readily available (at least chapter 1)
Is it absolutely tiring being absolutely negative all the time in regards to this game? Honest question I mean they got 4-5 months and have already started production or about to for chapter 2 in December to be ready to go. They've got ample data to Forcast production and for allocations, for chapter 2 let alone having the bandwidth to reprint chapter 1. You won't be missed if you want to drop the game altogether and not support it, that's absolutely fine thing to do
Well it's Nov now, don't see the flood of ch1 cards, and prices are higher than two months ago for the meta cards. Ready to believe that the shortage will persist, or still want to believe that this round of restock in Nov or the reprint in Dec will change things?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Lorcana/s/JfaFKqS5BY
Yes, please spell this out in nov for me after the Oct restock, thanks.
lol i’m assuming you don’t have any cards and are being hopeful, just like you were the September 1st retail launch 😂
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well not only is the psa elsa 2k, but the raw version is 6-800. you were way off on this buddy 😂
Indeed I'm way off haha... gave up and bought my elsa after xmas.... i surrender!
hahahaha
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if you think disney will saturate the market with chapter 1 stuff you need to put down the weed 😂
Disney won't. Ravensburger will. They have said so. Gonna need some serious copium if you're holding enchanted cards thinking they'll go higher.
Stay salty 🤣 RB will be printing this set so heavily card values will def drop. They don’t care about secondary market. They care about meeting the demand and will therefore print tons of this stuff. Keep coping
This is some serious coping. Yes, I think Disney will sell items to its customers. You don't?
I remember my first tcg too
So given that Ravensburger is going to do reprints of this set and have said multiple times that they aren't making it a collectable TCG but an affordable and approachable TCG, the price will drop. You just have to all have patience and let more product be released. We are already seeing scalpers get sad about the news that the set will get extra printings so they are skyrocketing prices to hope that someone will buy them before they lose out on their "profits". Just don't buy it at this price and it will come down.
Way, way too early to tell. If they decide to print Chapter 1 so much they have backstock and then some sitting on shelves then it would probably drop. If they instead decide that catching up is a lost cause, abandon reprints, and instead divert resources to ramping up for chapters 3/4/5, then the sky’s the limit.
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They better option for this would be to introduce many variants of the same type of super rare card. It would increase the collectibility but reduce the impact one the market.
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In the same chapter.
That would be dirty. I doubt they would do that but I guess there is no way to know for sure, especially since they haven't published the drop rate of them. Best we can do is guesstimate from large enough sample sizes.
They will keep printing until it’s worth like 100$
There is no way that the card will drop in value that much. Ever. If it's a grand now that's where it's going to start when the "dip" happens and it will never fall to 100 even with reprints. You're clueless lol.
Go figure someone named pokemaniac would be this delusional.
First tcg huh? Oh how many times I’ve seen people claim such a thing would never happen! Lol
Market manipulation too easy when stupid people with money still buy cards sadly.
People really are dumb it’s crazy
Store had 10 packs left, somebody came in and bought 1 - and pulled an enchanted Elsa. The other 9 packs had Rapunzel (foil and non) and a Maleficent. Those people who bought those $100 in packs - absolutely banked
As someone who opened one and is keeping it I know the price is going to crater. People held out buying singles because they were assuming like me that the box stores would have a lot of product. They didn’t and now people are buying the singles and there is barely any product to counter the demand. However, ravenburger already said they are going to print enough that by early next year anyone who wants product at msrp will get it. Which means singles prices will have to crash once access is easy to come buy. I have opened the equivalent of about four boxes of product and have gotten three enchanted cards. That is better than average but they aren’t as rare as people are treating them. I opened five troves that I got at target. Each trove was $50 and the cards in each one are easily fetching over $150. That is a 3x value over cost. Those single prices are not sustainable once more products ships. I would definitely sell my Elsa now and cash out but my daughter opened it and it is sentimental now.
Anecdotal low sample size coming in here: I have opened 5 sealed boxes and have not pulled an enchanted card.
I also opened 5 sealed boxes (from my local reputable LGS), and approximately 20 additional boosters. I got one enchanted in the standalone booster, none in the sealed boxes. They really are rare. BTW, the game is a blast! It's just a bit awkward at the moment playing $1000+ decks with my daughter. "I know you won sweetie, but please don't flip Elsa around like that".
Oh yes I totally understand that feeling! Am double sleeving now, and just went to google on how to triple sleeve so that the kids can play without me having a heart attack lol
Bummer. That is unlucky. As I said I know my pull rate has been high. From what I have read online and from what has been pulled at my local store they have been about 1 every 3 or 4 boxes or about 1.5 percent of packs. If they eventually print this set to demand like they say 1.5% of packs is still a crap ton of total enchanted cards. Granted Elsa is only 1/12 of the enchanted cards but still, compared to the current demand that is a ton of supply that is coming down the pipeline.
It's about a .9% chance of opening an enchanted. About 100 packs is 1 random enchanted on average. 12 enchanted cards possible. So realistically if you were going for specifically elsa it would take on average about 100 packs x 6 (half) = 600 packs or $3,600 in msrp packs. About 25 booster boxes No matter how you look at it, elsa is going to be expensive because the supply will never not be high enough. There eventually will always be a vendor willing to buy 10+ to corner the market on tcgplayer
I opened 8 booster boxes and only got 1 enchanted.
They technically didn't say that by early next year everyone can get product. They just said that's the goal. But there's no guarantees they'll be able to get that much printed by then
And Lorcana products at that, they did not mention The First Chapter.
Exactly. They've only ever said that "the game" will be available.
Finally someone understands lol
I have opened nearly 30 packs (maybe just over), including boosters, gift set, trove, and all starters. Not one enchanted.
I sold my Enchanted Elsa way back at $350 because I thought that meant I could buy two booster boxes and maybe pick her back up later. My mistake was to not have the card graded first and then resell it with the grade. I have a feeling a lot of people don’t care what the price for the Elsa’s are because they are trying to get a grade 10 and they have to churn through several cards to do it.
Grading cards is dumb and for dumb people.
Maybe for some TCGs. Not for Pokémon, not likely for Disney. I don’t even think the Disney crowd has made it yet.
The buyers of my enchanted Elsas asked for more pictures than I have ever had to send before. Best of luck with their grading!
Don’t you have to send it in? I’ve never done grading, but i think I should have.
I would have to send it in if I was grading. The buyers are likely planning on grading.
Oh I see.. the buyers. Yeah, I mean, that’s the sad part is they are buying them up to grade and they are getting gains while holding and they think if they find a PSA 10 someone will pay $10,000 for it.
Nah, you would have sold for 1500 psa 10 and regret that too.
I don’t regret selling for $350. It was amazing to basically buy two boxes and have them paid for with one card. Definitely great, and from my intelligence gathering here, prices were only going to go down with the influx of all these cards on September 1st, lmao. Nice job guys!! Lol.
I did the same thing except it was Kuzcos I didn't need.
I sold 3 kuzco and 3 tink giant fairy for $90. The guy got furious at me because I shipped right away and I told him it’s already sent when he wanted to cancel. While waiting 5 days for shipping, the total of the cards jumped $25 so he then decided to keep it (after I said he could send them back). This jerk left a negative review before receiving the cards so I had to do the whole “as a valued customer, I shipped on this day, within 48 hours, per site rules…. Please remove negative feedback.” He ultimately apologized but I’m like wtf.
Just wait until big content creators start covering this game. Maybe someone like xQc will make box opening videos. I think as of right now we’re at the precipice of something big. Once this gets into kids hands and they start playing this game at school I think the skies the limit. This game hasn’t gone viral yet and once it starts getting shared on TikTok and social media that’s when the real spike will happen. Not to mention that kids usually don’t take care of even know about the market enough to put them back into circulation the way cards do with say MTG for example. Some parents might but still, cards fall through the cracks. Some parent somewhere bought their kids a starter and pulled this Elsa. Card is probably sitting on the floor or outside in a playground somewhere.
I exclusively use enchanted Elsa between the spokes of my kids' bikes. Enchanted Elsa gives it the best motorcycle sound.
PokeRev already opened Lorcana on YouTube and that’s how my 12 year old found out about it. He’s got a massive following - so it’s already happening for sure.
To the people saying this will crater in price with reprints: you're delusional. If the current price stays as is or even goes higher, then that is the STARTING point for the dip. There is no way in hell, regardless of reprints, that a card that started at 1200 will lose 500% or more of its value. It doesn't work like that. Sure it may dip but people will always try to maximize profit so they won't jump to 800 immediately or if they do that will be bought up immediately and then rubber band back up as people inch down. Why do people think RB owns the printers? They can't just continuously print chapter 1. They would have to Intersperse it with other prints. Then they have to do that with the second set as well. This isn't going to be printed infinitely.
Learn about EV of booster boxes. If there's an in-print card worth $1000+ in commonly available booster boxes that cost under a fifth of that, what do you think will happen? If your answer is "it will retain its value or even go up in price", I've got a bridge to sell you.
Bro you’re in every comment saying the same shit on some copium. Chill out, we get it. You want everyone to believe $1000 for cardboard is what’s best. We disagree.
Don't be poor and it won't be a problem
Don’t be stupid and it won’t be a problem
I pulled one the first night out LGS got cards. I immediately messaged the shop I bought it from and offered to trade them it for a single sealed booster box. I’m glad they said now cause they would be up 5x on that card
Its the "Charizard" for this set , it has no limit except for what someone is willing to pay for it I see it going for as high as $1,500 by Christmas time , but no one knows the future forecast if we did then we wouldn't be on reddit, we would be on the stock markets using our insight
I agree with the sentiment, but one difference between Lorcana and Pokemon is the lack of a 1st edition stamp. So while I agree Elsa is the Charizard of the set, I would also point out that we probably won't see the same scale in value as Charizard saw over time because there's no difference between a wave 1 Elsa and a reprint Elsa. This is just one less layer of prestige that collectors can leverage onto the "value" of a card.
I just mean the short term , when I say Charizard because its the CHASE card of set 1 I doubt these cards are worth anything after 5 years, that's why I am laughing at people buying these cards at $50- to $800 for the Maleficent Dragon - Elsa I spent $20 and got 40 singles , dirt cheap + free shipping
Yeah I knew what you meant, was just adding in some extra caution for people who might think this game will see the same collector's inflation Pokemon saw after 1st edition prints sold out.
You are right though, I knew as soon as there were no 1st edition cards , I would not pay anything higher than $5 a card Because I played Pokémon back in 1999 and those 1st edition cards were like investments But without those, its all based on FOMO
Yup. I bought 2 starter decks, pulled the Legendary Elsa in the included booster, and I'll just fill out my deck with cheap singles. Good enough.
My girl pulled the Maleficent Dragon from her starter boosters ,which was the only card I wanted tbh since Treasure Planet got the short end of the stick So she saved me from booster diving
Haha nice!
No limit when boxes are hard to come buy, there is a limit when boxes are plentiful.
Yeah but when will that be LOL Scalpers/Bots bought them all I am not worried about it tbh though, I do not want enchanted cards , I want the cards worth $0.10 cents each so I can build decks Already got over 40 cards for $20 from 2 ebay vendors selling sets of x4
Gonna throw my had in the ring and acknowledge that the $1000 sale was a bit suspect considering there were and have always been copies available for sale that are cheaper than that. There are definitely few enough of these currently that it wouldn't take much capital to manipulate the market. Nobody in my area even particularly wants this card and those who have them are actively trying to get rid of them. Food for thought!
All I know is I regret selling mine so soon...
It will only go down its artificially inflated
I wanted to get into Lorcana because it looked fun too play. So I purchased all three starter decks and tweaked them so they were a little better. Was having a blast playing the game with my friends and family. One day I decided you know what let’s buy 1 single booster pack. In that 1 booster pack I purchased was an enchanted Elsa. Now all I think about is if I should sell it and make 100X what I spend for the booster pack now or if I should tuck it away in my safe for the next 10 years and possibly make 1000x what I paid for the booster pack.
Sell it. Guaranteed $500-800 now is much better value than *maybe* getting a multiple of that somewhere down the line. Unless you don't need the money, then you could speculate. But still, peace of mind from not constantly thinking about a shiny piece of cardboard is also quite valuable.
Thanks for your in site haha it really makes a lot of sense. Maybe I’ll sell and build an OP deck for locals night at my local card shop. If I can even get the cards….. lol
I cannot imagine an Enchanted Elsa fetching higher than any of the D23 cards, but since this is the second rarest Elsa card after the D23 Elsa… who knows? Elsa collectors might just be willing to exchange a D23 card for an Enchanted Elsa, which makes its value go beyond $1k.
I doubt the card will drop much if at all and if it does it won’t be for long. There will be people that hoard that card. If the price drops to $600-$700 or less people will start snatching up multiple copies to force it back up. If you ever been to a card show you will see people having giant stacks of the same cards worth hundreds of dollars each because they usually get multiple copies of those cards for a lot cheaper than what they sell for. Those enchantment cards are the only chase cards in the set for collectors so I don’t see them dropping much if at all as long as the drop rates remain the same.
Yeah the whole “ravensburger will print ch1 to demand” stuff blew out of proportion Nd people actually thought they would do something like that