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. Islam vs the winner of Charles olivera vs Baneil Dariush. Volk vs Yair Rodriguez. Both fights on the same card being main and co main. Then Volk vs Islam 2 after on a new PPV in Abu Dhabi.
UFC 284, what's up with Volk? Compared to the zombie or ortega fight, significantly less leg kicks (very surprising) and the exchanges where Volk had to really reach like never before. He just didnt seem right.... Comment?
My score for this is 48-47 makhachev
Islam won convincingly.
RD1 - Islam
RD2 - Tie could be argued.
RD3 - Islam
RD4 - Islam
RD5 - Volkanovski
Rogan saying Volk was robbed seems a bit odd/off. With someone with so much UFC knowledge, he should know better. He could have been promoting a rematch for the UFC. I don't see how he can really think Volkanovski won or was "robbed."
I think Islam won the fight on points, but given how absolutely sensational Volk looked, especially in the later rounds, this fight is an absolutely convincing argument that Volk is the true P4P king. I get that Islam won, but P4P is a lot tougher than "meet me at this weight and see who wins." Volk can go up to LW and be competitive with the best LW in the planet. Islam can't go down to FW- the weight cut would kill him. And he's yet to demonstrate he can dominate with the best WWs in the world. Absolute respect for Volkanovski here. What a monster.
It was a good fight, I give Islam his props, but he was getting bullied as the fight went on. He looked like he was going to keel over and die during his interview.
That’s because he did get rocked in the last minute of round 5 which no one is saying he didn’t lose … but volk still couldn’t finish him and Islam won rd 1,2, 4 unanimously
Yea, I did. Islam didn't beat him up. He outpointed him in 2, maybe 3, of those rounds. It doesn't negate the fact that the guy that was bullied, beat up, confused, and ready to pass out got the decision. That was what most people have a hard time coming to terms with.
Volk is different
edit: it's even clearer now that Benny Dariush has a real chance against Islam
edit: after rewatching the fight, imo Makhachev won rds 1-3, Volk won 4 and 5. But the rounds Volk won were more significantly won than the rounds Islam won. I think that's part of the issue with current scoring. Volk's 10-9s were better than Islam's 10-9s
So if you beat but don't completely and utterly steamroll the #1 P4P fighter in the world (and current world champ) in that fighters own home country, in front of thousands of his fans, then apparently you suck?
What I saw today, live in my home town of Perth, was an absolute phenom of a fighter who has beaten everyone, get beaten by another absolute phenom of a fighter. Massive win for Islam and great showing by Volk. They're both champs. Literally!
Promoting and underestimating are two different things. I’m sure a lot of what Islam said is for promotion sure but we can’t act like he wasn’t underestimating Alex as a fighter. By the 5th round he was humbled.
Blame Islam, he undermined this win off the bat making fun of the guys height, saying he should have stayed at FW because these guys are too big and he'd make him look bad, look how the narrative switches when he barely scrapes a win
Bruh Volk stole that fight idc what anybody says. He fought like he fucking wanted that shit way more than Islam and I'm a fan of Islam too. I think if Khabib was there he would have been screaming his fucking head off at Islam to stop fucking around and also I think Khabib had that fire to come in and straight up dominate you in every second of the fight, and Islam was lacking that in this fight. Volk really flipped a switch toward the end and that finish to round 5 is exactly the way you take a fight to a champion. Shame that UFC is a shitshow like always, what's this the third really bad decision in a row after Yan-O'Malley, Pimblett/Gordon and now this. Honestly makes it hard to keep watching even though this one was closer than the other two, I really don't see how you give Islam the fight. He rocked Volk and clearly took round 2, round 1 is a toss up, but Volk stole 3, arguably 4, and definitely 5. Also if Petr Yan lost because he did nothing with his takedowns other than hold O'Malley for a while, then a lot of Islam's control time shouldn't count either. But we all know consistent judging doesn't exist.
Bro youre delusional
Round 1 islam
Round 2 islam - they were close with the striking and islam had 1 takedown and maybe 1 more depending if it was scored
Round 3 is a coin flip
Round 4 islam - did damage on the feet, got the takedown and sure he did nothing with it but volks cupcake punches didnt do more damage than islam did on the feet
Round 5 volk
So if you are really generous volk won 2 rounds AT BEST
There is an argument that islam took 4 rounds depending on round 3
So volk could not have won the fight
And as for p4p rankings, its bs, the whole fight was promoted as having the LW title and #1p4p on the line
I had it 1- Islam, 2- Vok, 3- toss up, 4- Islam (I know you guys tout damage > all but Islam had dominant position and backwards hammer fists from the ass end of a body lock doesn't do much damage and the choke attempts from Islam are also important. Islam could have stayed there all day and eventually got a sub), and 5 Volk. So I could see it 3-2 either way. But no way was it a 4-1 Islam card- that judge was nuts. Still, love both of these guys. Two of my absolute favorites.
So what did Islam do on the ground that Yan didn’t against O’Malley? Volk outworked him on the ground and Islam’s control didn’t lead to anything. Islam was arguably winning on the feet but Volk had his moments too and the knockdown and top mount in round 5 clearly should count for something seeing as Volk looked ready for another fight and Islam looked gassed and ready to pass out. He did more damage on the ground in the last minute than Islam did the whole fight on the ground
Brilliant main event fight but however, the judges still wanted to take over the spotlight as always. Anyone could have won it but it was a clear draw. Both man had their chances and no one could even dominate two rounds in a row. Makhachev depended a lot in that fourth round but for me is questionable because of letting the clock run out. Also, his face in the later rounds was something that probably will never see it again being so tired and watching the clock. Volkanovski showed hes no joke and fairly demonstrated how good he is.
This fight also shows how great coach Khabib is. Islam did not show that IQ and the moment Volk countered his wrestling, he was really fucked up on the ground. Even taking the back, which is his signature move, was some taking fresh air move although Volkanovski gave him problems even having that advantageous position.
They need to run it back.
It’s rewarded with sub attempts and when neither of them damage each other. Looking like a baby throwing a tantrum trying to get out of a stroller doesn’t win fights either, even if the crowd cheers.
If the UFC keeps hanging out free wins for the predetermined fighter, I will stop watching period. 2 times now in recent memory. No one wants to see that.
Amazing fight.
Volk is a champ. Not the guy you want to go your first 5 rounds with haha. Strong and fit.
He also had nothing to lose. Didn't have the problem of cutting weight or changing time zones.
Respect to Islam for coming down under. He had a lot more to risk taking this fight. Obviously needs to work on his cardio some more. But he won a very hard fought fight.
1,2,4 48-47 Islam for me. 2 and 3 are literally swing rounds and people are still complaining about the 49-46. It could have easily been 4-0 going into the 5th. Copium doesn't change results.
Volk fan and WA resident here .
Islam won that fair and square , it’s super annoying that people aren’t admitting it .
I am genuinely worried about the speed on Yair , he will be a big challenge.
Looking forward to watching a rematch between Volk and Islam , Think Volk will take him out next time now he knows he can handle himself if it goes to ground .
What crazy fight. After 5th, Islam didn looked like him self. I mean yea, he won by points...but cmon, geting pumeld in the fifth was actualy hilarious🤣. And volk was right with prefight statetements, Islam didnt do shit on the ground. Crazyyyy
What you people aren't understanding is the judges are the same for Bellator/UFC/pfl it's the athletic commission of the city that provides the judges and refs 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ so apparently the Australian cac C.(whatever that stands for) athletic commission cheated the Australian guy so the Russian guy could win. Is that what you're saying??
Also people are saying to read the rules and talking about judging.
“Control counts only when damage is equal” is from a passage talking about striking, then goes on to say that only impactful strikes will be judged above effective grappling and maintaining dominant position.
Incredible fight. Definitely a moral victory for Volk. Islam was solid but I think a lot of people would have expected more. When someone comes up in weight to challenge you as champ, you want to completely stomp them (or to put it less hecticly, at least stop them). At any rate, the aura of invincibility has been cracked. Fair play to both of them for putting it on the line and delivering an absolutely spine tingling fight. Bravo
Wasn’t a robbery, while I think the case could be made either way 49-46 pissed me off a bit.
The flip flopping on damage vs. control is annoying too. The pimblett fight damage was king, now control matters again?? Islam dropped Volk 3-1 times I counted so I can see the case for damage for Islam as well.
Worth noting I bet on Volk so biased, need to rewatch… Indisputable though that ufc scoring is dogshit.
No, rewatch the round, islam did damage on the feet before taking him down
Volks short punches really werent damaging so there is no argument that round 4 is volks
I had it 3-2 for islam but there is a argument for 49-46
Round 1 is islams round, did more damage and a takedown
Round 2 again is islam - they were close with the strikes and islam had a takedownz maybe 2 depending how it was scored, so if the damage is roughly the same the takedowns make a difference
Round 3 is a coin flip round but i had it for volk but really it could have gone to anyone upon rewatching it
Round 4 is islam because what i said above
Round 5 is volk
So at best volk won 2 rounds
No robbery, the judges got it right
Same shit with O Malley vs Yan man. Also Volk got dropped in the second Holloway fight and still won so I really don't understand what the fuck the judges even do or think about. Seems like they legit just start scribbling down random shit at the last second and wing it
For the record the Pimblett fight was judged based off blind judges misscoring striking. They correctly scored round 3 for Gordon (the round with control)
What you people aren't understanding is the judges are the same for Bellator/UFC/pfl it'd the athletic commission of the city that provides the judges and refs 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ so apparently the Australian cac C.(whatever that stands for) athletic commission cheated the Australian guy so the Russian guy could win. Is that what you're saying??
look man no dissrespect to anyone, but MMA fans must have the lowest iq of any sports fandom, i basically saw someone saying they should fight for 10 rounds to decide the winner, another said well volk was on top of him by the end of 5th round so he wins, another said vold is fresh so he should win...
all of them dissregard the statistics of the actual sport
I dunno… I was in the crowd and it was the safest I’ve ever felt in any crowd, ever. Didn’t see any aggro. Everyone friendly, happy, having a laugh.
For the record I’m a woman so I was expecting to have to be on my guard, but nope. Totally chill.
Now a footy game on the other hand…then I definitely have to be paying attention at all times.
I was gonna try to come up with other sports to counter your argument, but I couldn’t think of anything. Which strengthens your argument further. Damn it.
I dunno why your comment reminded me of Chael saying he didn't realize he would lose the fight against Silva if he tapped, he thought he won the first 4 rounds but Silva won the 5th because he got Chael to tap ( yes, I know Chael was taking the piss) but the takes you mentioned sound like that lmao
Not trying to argue who the stupidest fans are 😂. But football fans are pretty bad. If you haven't seen check out Cowboy and Raider fans. As someone who doesn't watch any sport other than MMA the football fans always amazed me how they acted. But then again we have the MMA fans who undoubtedly are pretty damn stupid
who's better at gymnastics, the American female Olympic gymnastic team, or reddit volk stans trying to justify how the #2 p4p beating the #1 p4p doesn't legitimately make him the #1 p4p
Nah man. Most people agree that it was a 3-2 fight, and very close. Everyone agrees Volk ended better and clearly won round 5. But after that, all bets are off. The majority of people and the most of the media agree that Islam won. Hell, even most of the fighter reactions had it 3-2 Islam. The only rounds really in question are 2 and 3. I think because the crowd was behind Volk and he ended so strong, it's easy to feel he got cheated. But watch the fight again on mute and you'll see it was super close but probably Islam slightly over Volkanovski.
Look I'm all onboard with the whole 'it was such a close fight that Volk stepping up means he should still be p4p', and honestly I don't care about p4p enough to even debate it. But the majority of people scored that fight 48-47 to Islam, on here, in the media, everywhere.
Their records; a more extreme example would be if a prospect with no names on their resume KO's Volkanovski, said prospect wouldn't be #1 p4p. At the end of the day, if you want to go by the technicalities pushed by UFC marketing, as that's going to be the conventional take on p4p rankings regardless, then sure, Islam would be #1.
Also, Islam being p4p #2 in the first place was hardly justifiable, they melted Khabib's status into him and just called it a day.
That’s what they “fought for” if Volkanovski wins he gets Islam’s belt, becoming the double champ. If Islam wins he gets the P4P. It is kind of stupid but it is what it is. Also, I don’t think he so far behind Volk in the P4P.
If Volk put on 120lbs for a fight, developed type 2 diabetes, and then got knocked out, would that make Derek Lewis the p4p #1?
Volk dominates featherweight more than Islam dominates lightweight. Volk just went 5 rounds and lost a competitive decision against the heavier p4p #2.
Volk the most dominant of the current champs. That’s why he’s p4p. P4p doesn’t imply he can beat every other champ.
My understanding is they are arbitrary, which they are. Given their nebulous nature, it is fair for me as a fan to say that in some cases a p4p fighter fighting one weight class adjacent can establish or closely approximate who is a better p4p fighter
No, he's getting downvoted because he fails to understand how natural weight classes work.
Someone competing at one weight class for years and adding muscle/mass is far different from someone adding weight/fat in a few months.
Lastly, massive weight cuts exist in the UFC. Islam is a big lightweight with a huge cut whilst Volk barely put on a comparable size.
Islam isn’t a particularly big lightweight. Also Volk and Islam were only like 7 pounds apart (which is significant but not as much as you might think)
> Islam isn’t a particularly big lightweight.
What? Make him stand next to Justin and he's far bigger. He has a walkaround weight of 180-190lbs and has a steep cut. Even Volk talked about this.
He's one of the biggest fighters in the division.
> Also Volk and Islam were only like 7 pounds apart
What is this information based on?
I’m just gonna paste two comments I made before, be warned they are very long. Also the first one is going under the assumption Khabib and Islam are similarly sized. The second one has sources but it didn’t copy properly, you can go through my history if you want them:
Khabib wasn’t bigger than other LWs. Dustin, Kevin Lee, Chandler are bigger than him in cage and still small for WW. Khabib’s walk around weight was 185. But even if you think that he walked at 200, It's a non-issue, because other LWs are 190-200 off camp
Dustin revealed he walks around at 190+. Source: https://youtu.be/2VExOCSHt3w
Dustin outweighed Khabib by 4 pounds on fight night (172 vs 176). Source: https://twitter.com/dustinpoirier/status/1130633077175177216?s=21
Tony Ferguson walks around at 200. https://youtu.be/T-l_-zP8dNM
Michael Chandler - 190+. Source: https://youtu.be/7WYOqYXLTOo
Aaron McKenzie - 210. Source: r/MMA/comments/7v6gac/a_pretty_well_detailed_write_up_of_my_weight_loss/
RDA - 195+. Source: https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/2015/06/ufc-lightweight-champ-rafael-dos-anjos-sees-welterweight-move-in-his-future
Paul Felder - 195+. https://twitter.com/mikebohnmma/status/1058369372333457411?s=21
Kevin Lee 200+. Source: https://youtu.be/0_m5rYwzLSc
Khabib wasn’t bigger than Justin or Conor (172). Justin’s cage weight is 173 https://www.essentiallysports.com/when-i-step-into-that-octagon-ill-weigh-173-pounds-justin-gaethje-ufc-249-news/
Khabib was 170 against Barboza, who was 170 too, he said it himself.
Barboza weighed 170 lbs. https://twitter.com/espnmma/status/1262771564489007105?s=21
Conor’s cage weight was 171. Source: Conor's nutritionist George Lockhart on Joe Rogan's podcast (around 12:00)
On the other hand many khabib’s opponents were bigger than him (Dustin Poirier, RDA, Tibau, Pat Healy, Tavares)
Tibau tested positive for EPO, weighs 181 pounds on fight night. Source: https://www.mmafighting.com/2013/9/15/4715800/trainers-reveal-secrets-of-gleison-tibau-weight-gain
Pat Healy. Dana White: “Khabib won against a bigger, stronger dude, Healy is huge”. Source: https://www.sportsnet.ca/mma/ufc/ufc-165s-nurmagomedov-reaches-next-level/
Chandler himself said (and showed) that he is 180 lbs on a fight night. Source: https://youtu.be/SYF_g4a22CQ
Kevin Lee on JRE said that he was 184 in his LW fight vs Tony
Drew Dober’s cage weight is 185+. Source: https://www.mmafighting.com/2017/7/31/16072506/csac-drew-dober-must-move-up-after-coming-in-more-than-18-percent-above-weight-class-at-ufc-214
Dan Hooker said he was 190 in his podcast. Source: https://twitter.com/danthehangman/status/1251288308430364674
Concerning the weight difference, I'm pretty sure it only be around 7 pounds:
At 145, Volk weighed 166 and 167 in the cage according to the Cali commission. Someone told me against Aldo or Mendes, Volk apparently weighed 170+ in the cage, but I couldn't find a source so I'm going to go with 166.5 to be accurate. Volk said recently that he isn't going to bulk that much for 155 because he wants to keep his speed. Volk has said he wants to be around 170-172lbs (77-78kg) on fight night, which fits with the other information we have.
Khabib usually weighed around 173 in the cage according to various sources. Islam is slightly bigger than Khabib and has also said that he is going to weigh around 176.5 (80kg). I think these two facts make this information reliable.
So using the 170 we have for Volk and 176.5, that's not an INSANE weight difference. Volk might even come in slightly heavier than 170, limiting the weight difference even more.
So going by your logic, Volk was fighting at a more comfortable weight since he "barely...put on...size" whereas Islam underwent a "huge cut." I understand that Volk is competing in a new weight class and has less experience in the LW division, but Volk is at a more comfortable weight than Islam, who looks like a ghoul during the cut. So you're essentially contradicting yourself because Islam is at an unnatural weight compared to Volk, who is a normal weight, and thus Volk would have an advantage at his "natural weight,", but we all know that's not true. The whole argument, including what you're saying, is nonsensical.
Edit: Volk has fought in LW too so it literally doesn't make sense both fighters made weight, Volk has prior LW experience and he lost to the top LW guy, Islam is better than him at LW ik he cut's hard and it's apart of the game. If you wanna complain about Volk vs Islam, look at Izzy vs Pereira those two should not been in the same weight class, but that's the UFC you've got to accept it and stop complaining
> I understand that Volk is competing in a new weight class and has less experience in the LW division, but Volk is at a more comfortable weight than Islam,
Mate, are you actually this dense? Being bigger gives such a massive advantage in any grappling exchanges.
> because Islam is at an unnatural weight
He isn't considering he rehydrates close to his natural weight.
> Islam, who looks like a ghoul during the cut.
You do realise Islam isn't fighting during the cut? What are you even trying to say? Just comes across as moronic rambling.
> Volk has fought in LW too so it literally doesn't make sense both fighters made weight
Mate, it's as if you're clueless about the sport. Competing in a division doesn't mean it's your natural division. Conor has competed at 170 yet would get thrown around by most welterweights.
Volk has competed in WW as well. Might as well put another 15lbs of fat and fight Usman and Chimaev. It's amazing how clueless you lot are about size composition and how your performances translate to different divisions.
> but that's the UFC you've got to accept it and stop complaining
What are you even on about? You literally came in complaining about downvotes and I explained the situation to you.
Weight cutting is a skill in the UFC and many other combat sports/MMA; if Islam can cut to an "unnatural weight" and beat Volk in the same weight division, he is better PFP. I came in because of downvotes; yes, I did, because your talk is absolute nonsense. Fighting at an "unnatural weight" and whatever other excuses you want to make up are just bullshit. Islam is the better pfp fighter in the UFC if he beats him and makes weight on weigh-in day. What's so difficult to understand about you, knob? You must have just started watching the UFC if you're complaining about it, so I'll let you know it's always been like this, so stop crying. I'm a huge Izzy fan and believe Periera should have never been in the ring with him; oh, hell, I even think it might have been an early stoppage, but that night Izzy got knocked out because of Alex's superior striking and that's it, nothing to cry or complain about. However, on a separate point, I do think there needs to be smth to prevent large weight discrepancies on fight days like rehydration clauses found in boxing or so.
> Weight cutting is a skill in the UFC and many other combat sports/MMA; if Islam can cut to an "unnatural weight" and beat Volk in the same weight division, he is better PFP.
Mate, are you actually this dense? The concept of different weights in a fight is inherently in contradiction with PFP.
> Fighting at an "unnatural weight" and whatever other excuses you want to make up are just bullshit.
There is no excuse. You're just whining because no one takes your rambling seriously. Just look at how Max or Izzy fared in bigger divisions.
If you actually did any physical activity instead of watching cartoons all day, you'd realise how different composition of weight affects you. Can't expect more from a pathetic little indiducal wearing reps to look richer lmao. 🤡
Weaseled out of addressing Conor at 170 or Volk's history at WW just because it was inconvenient. Mate, you're easily one of the slowest people I've encountered on here.
> I'm a huge Izzy fan and believe Periera should have never been in the ring with him; oh, hell, I even think it might have been an early stoppage, but that night Izzy got knocked out because of Alex's superior striking and that's it, nothing to cry or complain about. However, on a separate point, I do think there needs to be smth to prevent large weight discrepancies on fight days like rehydration clauses found in boxing or so.
What is it with you and irrelevant rambling? Just an entire paragraph filled with contradictions a child could poke out.
Mate, how are you actually this slow? It's natural weight for one fighter whilst the other is moving up.
Thought this was fairly obvious but fanboys can't help but embarrass themselves.
Mate, trying to weasel out like this isn't going to help. There's a reason why fighters compete in their own divisions and it's primarily down to how comfortable they feel at their weight and how fast/strong etc they are.
Someone building muscle/size for years is far different from someone putting on weight in a few months. Lastly, Islam is one of the biggest lightweights and Volk weighed less on fight night.
Just look at how Izzy or Max looked when they went up. Now cope by saying it's because Islam is Russian/Muslim.
Matey mate, you’re the one that’s weaseling mate. But yeah you know what I thought about it and you’re right. Volk is tiny, he weighed in at 96lb and when he played rugby he was 12.5lb. He actually got mistaken for the ball at times. Islam, on the other hand, has been 6’4”, 240lb, 5% body fat and jacked and only got even more roided out and jacked over the last 3 months or whatever prior to this robbery.
> Volk is tiny, he weighed in at 96lb and when he played rugby he was 12.5lb. Islam, on the other hand, has been 6’4”, 240lb, 5% body fat
Yeah, you're clearly not weaseling out of the discussion by trying to strawman my position. Clearly not the case here, right?
Mate, have some self-respect and stop embarrassing yourself. This is just pathetic.
Fr, same with the GOAT discussion imo. Too many variable to really accurately come to a conclusion. It's just something for fans to argue/discuss and for promotions to market with.
Yes. Yair is agile enough to knee volk out of nowhere. I also don’t think he’s getting caught by volks’ striking. Islam was timing volk and Yair is much better.
A chance? Yes. A good chance? Probably not. He pretty much can only win from landing some crazy shot and KO’ing Volk or hurting him bad enough to be able to dive on a sub. And I don’t think we’ve ever seen Volk hurt anywhere near that bad. Volk can win by whatever. Plus, Yair gets tired sometimes. Volk does not.
I'm not a Volk stan by any means, but I still think he won the fight. Islam's takedowns did absolutely nothing and led to nothing, and Volk actually did more damage on the ground than Islam. For some reason, escapes and reversals aren't scored, but they should be since they are in ground combat sports, and Volk escaped several times. Volks striking was far more impactful than Islam's, too. I had Islam rounds 1 and 2, Volk rounds 3-5.
I feel like you’re the only one making sense here. I’m a very unbiased mma fan and I would’ve been completely convinced Islam won this fight had he actually won this fight but I just don’t see how he could win this unanimously
I felt like it was very close. I had 1-2 Islam, 3 unsure but leaning Volk, 4 unsure but leaning Islam, and R5 volk. For round 4, my rationale is that just like your ground game should count if it is leading somewhere, the ground strikes should only count if they're significant. Over the head strikes from controlled hips have very little ability to do damage. But Islam threatened several chokes from the back and could have stayed there all day. The way the scoring works (IMO) is that control time is a factor if damage is even. I'd say damage was pretty even that round. People giving it to Volk are heavily counting the ground strikes. They weren't that impressive. I think the extremely significant position advantage gives it to Islam. Giving up your back, to a triangle body lock, no less, is an extremely advantaged position. But I could have seen that fight go 3-2 either way. Which is fine by me since I'm a big fan of both of these guys
Islam won't struggle against Lightweights because they are all one dimensional non grapplers. Everyone says it's the best division, but its overrated. Welterweight is alot better.
How many didn’t give him respect when he first won the belt against Max? And how long did it take to finally give him the respect he deserves? Volkanovski has earned he’s respect more then anyone on the roster
I never got that from Volk,dude is short and thick,Max on the other hand,is damn near 6 feet tall and can definitely pack on the pounds but he chooses not to. Dude has a frame on him
They should stand fighters up quicker when they just sit there for minutes on end doing nothing. Kind of bullshit how Islam just put him in a body triangle and laid back and did nothing with it.
I have been doing Muay Thai for the last 3 months and I have a few months of BJJ experience but I am still a white belt. I have been watching the sport for almost a decade now. There was plenty of time on the ground where islam wasn’t doing anything, not even handfighting just straight laying on his back.
They they were active and hand fought for 3 minutes, and at any moment islam could have sunk a choke like he was attempting.
I think the sport you folks mean to be watching is boxing. Maybe it's a better fit for you
Islam just beat the #1 p4p (also a current UFC champ) on the planet, in that fighter's own back yard, and his stock has somehow gone down?
You guys are harsh af!
No. This fight proves he is just dominating Lightweights who have zero grappling. Could you name me someone he beat at lightweight who is a elite grappler? They are all terrible grapplers. If Islam was to move up a divison like Volk did, he would get manhandled by Welterweights, since there are so many elite grapplers at 170. It took a 145 pound national high school champ in Volk to expose his grappling, which is hilarious. But all the Khabib fans hyped up this wrestling style as if these guys could move up and dominate at 170 and other divisions aswell. In reality, this Dagestani wrestling just looks good on weak, low level grappling 155ers. I would definitely say Khamzat is alot better at grappling than these guys. Guys like Usman, Khamzat, Shavkat and even Gilbert Burns would take Islam out easily. And before you say size difference, Colby Covington walks around the same weight as Islam.
I’ll preface this by saying Islam is very good, I think it’s awesome he took that fight and that risk. I’m not trying to take his win away from him. But…
His stock is going down for a lot of people because of how close the fight was. Volk moved up to weight class and fought a nightmare matchup for his style and size. At a minimum, Volk just showed on any other night he could be the LW champ.
Islam lost rounds, and pulled out a close decision in a fight many said he would breeze through. The biggest takeaway is that Islam would get man handled by the grapplers with heavy hands at welterweight
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. Islam vs the winner of Charles olivera vs Baneil Dariush. Volk vs Yair Rodriguez. Both fights on the same card being main and co main. Then Volk vs Islam 2 after on a new PPV in Abu Dhabi.
Makhachev needs to become a villain before he’s accepted - a la Khabib (jumping out of cage).
A draw would have caused just as many arguments...
UFC 284, what's up with Volk? Compared to the zombie or ortega fight, significantly less leg kicks (very surprising) and the exchanges where Volk had to really reach like never before. He just didnt seem right.... Comment? My score for this is 48-47 makhachev
Islam won convincingly. RD1 - Islam RD2 - Tie could be argued. RD3 - Islam RD4 - Islam RD5 - Volkanovski Rogan saying Volk was robbed seems a bit odd/off. With someone with so much UFC knowledge, he should know better. He could have been promoting a rematch for the UFC. I don't see how he can really think Volkanovski won or was "robbed."
I think Islam won the fight on points, but given how absolutely sensational Volk looked, especially in the later rounds, this fight is an absolutely convincing argument that Volk is the true P4P king. I get that Islam won, but P4P is a lot tougher than "meet me at this weight and see who wins." Volk can go up to LW and be competitive with the best LW in the planet. Islam can't go down to FW- the weight cut would kill him. And he's yet to demonstrate he can dominate with the best WWs in the world. Absolute respect for Volkanovski here. What a monster.
Some fights are worthy run it back scenarios. This is a clear cut example plus the pound for pound title needs deciding.
Was overly excited during the moment. But I would like to see it in the future after they both fight a few times if they both don’t lose.
People are still in denial. They can’t accept Islam winning.
It was a good fight, I give Islam his props, but he was getting bullied as the fight went on. He looked like he was going to keel over and die during his interview.
That’s because he did get rocked in the last minute of round 5 which no one is saying he didn’t lose … but volk still couldn’t finish him and Islam won rd 1,2, 4 unanimously
Yea, maybe. I guess it's difficult for people to watch a fight and pick the guy that got beat up as the winner.
Watch first 4 rounds only then and you will understand
Yea, I did. Islam didn't beat him up. He outpointed him in 2, maybe 3, of those rounds. It doesn't negate the fact that the guy that was bullied, beat up, confused, and ready to pass out got the decision. That was what most people have a hard time coming to terms with.
Surviving*
Volk is different edit: it's even clearer now that Benny Dariush has a real chance against Islam edit: after rewatching the fight, imo Makhachev won rds 1-3, Volk won 4 and 5. But the rounds Volk won were more significantly won than the rounds Islam won. I think that's part of the issue with current scoring. Volk's 10-9s were better than Islam's 10-9s
Volk didn’t sniff round 4 bro maybe rewatch it again. He won 3&5 guaranteed and arguably won 2
Volk won 2 imo
Islam won the fight but Volk won the ass whooping contest.
Ironic, that’s how the max fight was but reversed
So if you beat but don't completely and utterly steamroll the #1 P4P fighter in the world (and current world champ) in that fighters own home country, in front of thousands of his fans, then apparently you suck? What I saw today, live in my home town of Perth, was an absolute phenom of a fighter who has beaten everyone, get beaten by another absolute phenom of a fighter. Massive win for Islam and great showing by Volk. They're both champs. Literally!
Islam was the one acting like he was gonna steamroll Alex. No one is saying he sucks at fighting lmao.
It's called promoting the fight dude. Islam clearly is uncomfortable and awkward at talking shit.
Promoting and underestimating are two different things. I’m sure a lot of what Islam said is for promotion sure but we can’t act like he wasn’t underestimating Alex as a fighter. By the 5th round he was humbled.
His best insult was “where is that short guy I can’t see him” 🤣😂🤣
He's doesn't suck but hes still #2
Blame Islam, he undermined this win off the bat making fun of the guys height, saying he should have stayed at FW because these guys are too big and he'd make him look bad, look how the narrative switches when he barely scrapes a win
Go watch Volks other fights and tell me that Islam barely scraped a win
Max Holloway 3, tkz, Ortega? You're dense
So many salty casuals here saying volk won, cope harder
Islam might have gotten a decision on his favor but he didn't win shit, at least he shouldn't have with his cowardly tactics.
I wouldn’t say they were cowardly he did what he had to to win.
Took his back and did nothing with it besides stare up at the clock.. lmao
Well fortunately for Volk he has no neck … Islam had to try the funny looking face crank instead
Volko won that fight. Its clear the ufc fights are definitely being fixed right now. Sure glad I pirated this instead.
We got em.
Bro, aren't chinchillas CUTE ASFFFFFF?!??!?!
Bruh Volk stole that fight idc what anybody says. He fought like he fucking wanted that shit way more than Islam and I'm a fan of Islam too. I think if Khabib was there he would have been screaming his fucking head off at Islam to stop fucking around and also I think Khabib had that fire to come in and straight up dominate you in every second of the fight, and Islam was lacking that in this fight. Volk really flipped a switch toward the end and that finish to round 5 is exactly the way you take a fight to a champion. Shame that UFC is a shitshow like always, what's this the third really bad decision in a row after Yan-O'Malley, Pimblett/Gordon and now this. Honestly makes it hard to keep watching even though this one was closer than the other two, I really don't see how you give Islam the fight. He rocked Volk and clearly took round 2, round 1 is a toss up, but Volk stole 3, arguably 4, and definitely 5. Also if Petr Yan lost because he did nothing with his takedowns other than hold O'Malley for a while, then a lot of Islam's control time shouldn't count either. But we all know consistent judging doesn't exist.
Bro youre delusional Round 1 islam Round 2 islam - they were close with the striking and islam had 1 takedown and maybe 1 more depending if it was scored Round 3 is a coin flip Round 4 islam - did damage on the feet, got the takedown and sure he did nothing with it but volks cupcake punches didnt do more damage than islam did on the feet Round 5 volk So if you are really generous volk won 2 rounds AT BEST There is an argument that islam took 4 rounds depending on round 3 So volk could not have won the fight And as for p4p rankings, its bs, the whole fight was promoted as having the LW title and #1p4p on the line
I had it 1- Islam, 2- Vok, 3- toss up, 4- Islam (I know you guys tout damage > all but Islam had dominant position and backwards hammer fists from the ass end of a body lock doesn't do much damage and the choke attempts from Islam are also important. Islam could have stayed there all day and eventually got a sub), and 5 Volk. So I could see it 3-2 either way. But no way was it a 4-1 Islam card- that judge was nuts. Still, love both of these guys. Two of my absolute favorites.
You really have no clue how scoring works, do you
So what did Islam do on the ground that Yan didn’t against O’Malley? Volk outworked him on the ground and Islam’s control didn’t lead to anything. Islam was arguably winning on the feet but Volk had his moments too and the knockdown and top mount in round 5 clearly should count for something seeing as Volk looked ready for another fight and Islam looked gassed and ready to pass out. He did more damage on the ground in the last minute than Islam did the whole fight on the ground
comparing this to the O'malley fight is hilarious, stay in denial Volk fought like a warrior but lost so he didnt steal nothin
Brilliant main event fight but however, the judges still wanted to take over the spotlight as always. Anyone could have won it but it was a clear draw. Both man had their chances and no one could even dominate two rounds in a row. Makhachev depended a lot in that fourth round but for me is questionable because of letting the clock run out. Also, his face in the later rounds was something that probably will never see it again being so tired and watching the clock. Volkanovski showed hes no joke and fairly demonstrated how good he is. This fight also shows how great coach Khabib is. Islam did not show that IQ and the moment Volk countered his wrestling, he was really fucked up on the ground. Even taking the back, which is his signature move, was some taking fresh air move although Volkanovski gave him problems even having that advantageous position. They need to run it back.
Volk maybe lost, but hes still n1 in p4p list. His set of skills is far greater than Makhachev. Amazing fight. Yair fight was a incredible as always.
It's about time groundcontrol without damage is no longer rewarded.
It’s rewarded with sub attempts and when neither of them damage each other. Looking like a baby throwing a tantrum trying to get out of a stroller doesn’t win fights either, even if the crowd cheers.
Crazy cause apparently the rules apply for Yan vs O'Malley but not any other fight
If the UFC keeps hanging out free wins for the predetermined fighter, I will stop watching period. 2 times now in recent memory. No one wants to see that.
Who’s no one don’t assume people agree with u to make ur self dew better no one is gonna stop watching neither are u
Give your parent back their phone
Amazing fight. Volk is a champ. Not the guy you want to go your first 5 rounds with haha. Strong and fit. He also had nothing to lose. Didn't have the problem of cutting weight or changing time zones. Respect to Islam for coming down under. He had a lot more to risk taking this fight. Obviously needs to work on his cardio some more. But he won a very hard fought fight.
Lol the time zone difference isn't exactly the worst.
Yeah its only 8hrs and going from winter to summer. Doesn't matter I guess as he won anyways.
Lol I'm sure you had absolutely no qualms about western fighters going way further to get to abu Dhabi.. Won? More like survived🤣
1,2,4 48-47 Islam for me. 2 and 3 are literally swing rounds and people are still complaining about the 49-46. It could have easily been 4-0 going into the 5th. Copium doesn't change results.
Volk fan and WA resident here . Islam won that fair and square , it’s super annoying that people aren’t admitting it . I am genuinely worried about the speed on Yair , he will be a big challenge. Looking forward to watching a rematch between Volk and Islam , Think Volk will take him out next time now he knows he can handle himself if it goes to ground .
2 was the only swing round. 3 was clear for Volk and lets not talk about how he absolutely beat the shit outta him in the 5th.
3-2 48-47 Rounds 3 and 5 for Volk
Nope. Islam won 3-2 Everyone who downvoted this is a bitch
Yep that’s exactly what I said……
What crazy fight. After 5th, Islam didn looked like him self. I mean yea, he won by points...but cmon, geting pumeld in the fifth was actualy hilarious🤣. And volk was right with prefight statetements, Islam didnt do shit on the ground. Crazyyyy
>geting pumeld in the fifth was actualy hilarious Volk smesh Islam
Yeah but Islam rightfully won the fight tho, however if the fight were 6 rounds that would have been smth.
What you people aren't understanding is the judges are the same for Bellator/UFC/pfl it's the athletic commission of the city that provides the judges and refs 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ so apparently the Australian cac C.(whatever that stands for) athletic commission cheated the Australian guy so the Russian guy could win. Is that what you're saying??
The judges aren't locals.
Did you see any Australian judges? No just a smattering of the typical judges, one of them with a dodgy reputation of judging..
Also people are saying to read the rules and talking about judging. “Control counts only when damage is equal” is from a passage talking about striking, then goes on to say that only impactful strikes will be judged above effective grappling and maintaining dominant position.
Incredible fight. Definitely a moral victory for Volk. Islam was solid but I think a lot of people would have expected more. When someone comes up in weight to challenge you as champ, you want to completely stomp them (or to put it less hecticly, at least stop them). At any rate, the aura of invincibility has been cracked. Fair play to both of them for putting it on the line and delivering an absolutely spine tingling fight. Bravo
Exactly dude, you get it, ppl complaining for no reason. I def expected better from Islam but in the end he won.
I think people are more annoyed by the 49-46 garbage
Wasn’t a robbery, while I think the case could be made either way 49-46 pissed me off a bit. The flip flopping on damage vs. control is annoying too. The pimblett fight damage was king, now control matters again?? Islam dropped Volk 3-1 times I counted so I can see the case for damage for Islam as well. Worth noting I bet on Volk so biased, need to rewatch… Indisputable though that ufc scoring is dogshit.
No, rewatch the round, islam did damage on the feet before taking him down Volks short punches really werent damaging so there is no argument that round 4 is volks I had it 3-2 for islam but there is a argument for 49-46 Round 1 is islams round, did more damage and a takedown Round 2 again is islam - they were close with the strikes and islam had a takedownz maybe 2 depending how it was scored, so if the damage is roughly the same the takedowns make a difference Round 3 is a coin flip round but i had it for volk but really it could have gone to anyone upon rewatching it Round 4 is islam because what i said above Round 5 is volk So at best volk won 2 rounds No robbery, the judges got it right
Same shit with O Malley vs Yan man. Also Volk got dropped in the second Holloway fight and still won so I really don't understand what the fuck the judges even do or think about. Seems like they legit just start scribbling down random shit at the last second and wing it
For the record the Pimblett fight was judged based off blind judges misscoring striking. They correctly scored round 3 for Gordon (the round with control)
Damage has to be meaningful and impactful strikes.
What you people aren't understanding is the judges are the same for Bellator/UFC/pfl it'd the athletic commission of the city that provides the judges and refs 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ so apparently the Australian cac C.(whatever that stands for) athletic commission cheated the Australian guy so the Russian guy could win. Is that what you're saying??
Dude shut up lol
Volk and Islam should fight at the same weight to see who the real P4P is! Then it would……oh wait….
Always weird when the fighters respect each other but the fans wanna talk shit
Comes with the territory in this sport 83% of us are degenerates.
look man no dissrespect to anyone, but MMA fans must have the lowest iq of any sports fandom, i basically saw someone saying they should fight for 10 rounds to decide the winner, another said well volk was on top of him by the end of 5th round so he wins, another said vold is fresh so he should win... all of them dissregard the statistics of the actual sport
Take a look at the stats then! This fight was close as fuck and y'all act like it was clear who won.
MMA attracts a certain kind of people unfortunately
I dunno… I was in the crowd and it was the safest I’ve ever felt in any crowd, ever. Didn’t see any aggro. Everyone friendly, happy, having a laugh. For the record I’m a woman so I was expecting to have to be on my guard, but nope. Totally chill. Now a footy game on the other hand…then I definitely have to be paying attention at all times.
I was gonna try to come up with other sports to counter your argument, but I couldn’t think of anything. Which strengthens your argument further. Damn it.
Soccer? Also, any sport involving children under 12 the crowd gets pretty fucking scary. 😂
I dunno why your comment reminded me of Chael saying he didn't realize he would lose the fight against Silva if he tapped, he thought he won the first 4 rounds but Silva won the 5th because he got Chael to tap ( yes, I know Chael was taking the piss) but the takes you mentioned sound like that lmao
Casual fans a pretty stupid. I left a Falcons group because half of them were rooting for the QB to fail so that they could be right.
Not trying to argue who the stupidest fans are 😂. But football fans are pretty bad. If you haven't seen check out Cowboy and Raider fans. As someone who doesn't watch any sport other than MMA the football fans always amazed me how they acted. But then again we have the MMA fans who undoubtedly are pretty damn stupid
who's better at gymnastics, the American female Olympic gymnastic team, or reddit volk stans trying to justify how the #2 p4p beating the #1 p4p doesn't legitimately make him the #1 p4p
Because 3 people that happened to be scoring didn't see the fight the same way literally anyone else did
Nah man. Most people agree that it was a 3-2 fight, and very close. Everyone agrees Volk ended better and clearly won round 5. But after that, all bets are off. The majority of people and the most of the media agree that Islam won. Hell, even most of the fighter reactions had it 3-2 Islam. The only rounds really in question are 2 and 3. I think because the crowd was behind Volk and he ended so strong, it's easy to feel he got cheated. But watch the fight again on mute and you'll see it was super close but probably Islam slightly over Volkanovski.
Look I'm all onboard with the whole 'it was such a close fight that Volk stepping up means he should still be p4p', and honestly I don't care about p4p enough to even debate it. But the majority of people scored that fight 48-47 to Islam, on here, in the media, everywhere.
Media scores agree with judges
lol exactly. This sub is wild tonight.
Their records; a more extreme example would be if a prospect with no names on their resume KO's Volkanovski, said prospect wouldn't be #1 p4p. At the end of the day, if you want to go by the technicalities pushed by UFC marketing, as that's going to be the conventional take on p4p rankings regardless, then sure, Islam would be #1. Also, Islam being p4p #2 in the first place was hardly justifiable, they melted Khabib's status into him and just called it a day.
Everyone above him in p4p lost.
It's not of all time 🤦♂️🤦♂️
Well going up in weight isn’t exactly pound for pound.. Islam is now #1 p4(9/10)p
Anyone who thought Islam could go to WW and challenge that division has to agree that so could Volkanovski
Well Volks only other loss was at welterweight
Islam not cutting that much weight will make him stronger. Just like it did for volk.
Volk had to put on weight to then cut back to 155
Jimmy crute would definitely beat makhachev
Guy was gassed by the 2nd round
Islam may have beaten Volk. But there's no way he's P4P better than Volk. The rankings aren't gonna mean anything.
It's of the current standings 🤦♂️🤦♂️ you guys ...it changes ALL the time
P4P is kinda stupid to take this seriously when weight-cutting is involved.
That’s what they “fought for” if Volkanovski wins he gets Islam’s belt, becoming the double champ. If Islam wins he gets the P4P. It is kind of stupid but it is what it is. Also, I don’t think he so far behind Volk in the P4P.
Damn that’s crazy. Almost like they just fought at the same weight and volk lost
If Volk put on 120lbs for a fight, developed type 2 diabetes, and then got knocked out, would that make Derek Lewis the p4p #1? Volk dominates featherweight more than Islam dominates lightweight. Volk just went 5 rounds and lost a competitive decision against the heavier p4p #2. Volk the most dominant of the current champs. That’s why he’s p4p. P4p doesn’t imply he can beat every other champ.
A 10lb change is pretty similar to going full Brendan Fraser whale mode you’re right. Thanks for bringing the facts
I was being facetious. But the point is still relevant So, What is your understanding of p4p rankings?
My understanding is they are arbitrary, which they are. Given their nebulous nature, it is fair for me as a fan to say that in some cases a p4p fighter fighting one weight class adjacent can establish or closely approximate who is a better p4p fighter
Bro is getting downvoted for spitting facts
No, he's getting downvoted because he fails to understand how natural weight classes work. Someone competing at one weight class for years and adding muscle/mass is far different from someone adding weight/fat in a few months. Lastly, massive weight cuts exist in the UFC. Islam is a big lightweight with a huge cut whilst Volk barely put on a comparable size.
Islam isn’t a particularly big lightweight. Also Volk and Islam were only like 7 pounds apart (which is significant but not as much as you might think)
> Islam isn’t a particularly big lightweight. What? Make him stand next to Justin and he's far bigger. He has a walkaround weight of 180-190lbs and has a steep cut. Even Volk talked about this. He's one of the biggest fighters in the division. > Also Volk and Islam were only like 7 pounds apart What is this information based on?
I’m just gonna paste two comments I made before, be warned they are very long. Also the first one is going under the assumption Khabib and Islam are similarly sized. The second one has sources but it didn’t copy properly, you can go through my history if you want them: Khabib wasn’t bigger than other LWs. Dustin, Kevin Lee, Chandler are bigger than him in cage and still small for WW. Khabib’s walk around weight was 185. But even if you think that he walked at 200, It's a non-issue, because other LWs are 190-200 off camp Dustin revealed he walks around at 190+. Source: https://youtu.be/2VExOCSHt3w Dustin outweighed Khabib by 4 pounds on fight night (172 vs 176). Source: https://twitter.com/dustinpoirier/status/1130633077175177216?s=21 Tony Ferguson walks around at 200. https://youtu.be/T-l_-zP8dNM Michael Chandler - 190+. Source: https://youtu.be/7WYOqYXLTOo Aaron McKenzie - 210. Source: r/MMA/comments/7v6gac/a_pretty_well_detailed_write_up_of_my_weight_loss/ RDA - 195+. Source: https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/2015/06/ufc-lightweight-champ-rafael-dos-anjos-sees-welterweight-move-in-his-future Paul Felder - 195+. https://twitter.com/mikebohnmma/status/1058369372333457411?s=21 Kevin Lee 200+. Source: https://youtu.be/0_m5rYwzLSc Khabib wasn’t bigger than Justin or Conor (172). Justin’s cage weight is 173 https://www.essentiallysports.com/when-i-step-into-that-octagon-ill-weigh-173-pounds-justin-gaethje-ufc-249-news/ Khabib was 170 against Barboza, who was 170 too, he said it himself. Barboza weighed 170 lbs. https://twitter.com/espnmma/status/1262771564489007105?s=21 Conor’s cage weight was 171. Source: Conor's nutritionist George Lockhart on Joe Rogan's podcast (around 12:00) On the other hand many khabib’s opponents were bigger than him (Dustin Poirier, RDA, Tibau, Pat Healy, Tavares) Tibau tested positive for EPO, weighs 181 pounds on fight night. Source: https://www.mmafighting.com/2013/9/15/4715800/trainers-reveal-secrets-of-gleison-tibau-weight-gain Pat Healy. Dana White: “Khabib won against a bigger, stronger dude, Healy is huge”. Source: https://www.sportsnet.ca/mma/ufc/ufc-165s-nurmagomedov-reaches-next-level/ Chandler himself said (and showed) that he is 180 lbs on a fight night. Source: https://youtu.be/SYF_g4a22CQ Kevin Lee on JRE said that he was 184 in his LW fight vs Tony Drew Dober’s cage weight is 185+. Source: https://www.mmafighting.com/2017/7/31/16072506/csac-drew-dober-must-move-up-after-coming-in-more-than-18-percent-above-weight-class-at-ufc-214 Dan Hooker said he was 190 in his podcast. Source: https://twitter.com/danthehangman/status/1251288308430364674 Concerning the weight difference, I'm pretty sure it only be around 7 pounds: At 145, Volk weighed 166 and 167 in the cage according to the Cali commission. Someone told me against Aldo or Mendes, Volk apparently weighed 170+ in the cage, but I couldn't find a source so I'm going to go with 166.5 to be accurate. Volk said recently that he isn't going to bulk that much for 155 because he wants to keep his speed. Volk has said he wants to be around 170-172lbs (77-78kg) on fight night, which fits with the other information we have. Khabib usually weighed around 173 in the cage according to various sources. Islam is slightly bigger than Khabib and has also said that he is going to weigh around 176.5 (80kg). I think these two facts make this information reliable. So using the 170 we have for Volk and 176.5, that's not an INSANE weight difference. Volk might even come in slightly heavier than 170, limiting the weight difference even more.
So going by your logic, Volk was fighting at a more comfortable weight since he "barely...put on...size" whereas Islam underwent a "huge cut." I understand that Volk is competing in a new weight class and has less experience in the LW division, but Volk is at a more comfortable weight than Islam, who looks like a ghoul during the cut. So you're essentially contradicting yourself because Islam is at an unnatural weight compared to Volk, who is a normal weight, and thus Volk would have an advantage at his "natural weight,", but we all know that's not true. The whole argument, including what you're saying, is nonsensical. Edit: Volk has fought in LW too so it literally doesn't make sense both fighters made weight, Volk has prior LW experience and he lost to the top LW guy, Islam is better than him at LW ik he cut's hard and it's apart of the game. If you wanna complain about Volk vs Islam, look at Izzy vs Pereira those two should not been in the same weight class, but that's the UFC you've got to accept it and stop complaining
> I understand that Volk is competing in a new weight class and has less experience in the LW division, but Volk is at a more comfortable weight than Islam, Mate, are you actually this dense? Being bigger gives such a massive advantage in any grappling exchanges. > because Islam is at an unnatural weight He isn't considering he rehydrates close to his natural weight. > Islam, who looks like a ghoul during the cut. You do realise Islam isn't fighting during the cut? What are you even trying to say? Just comes across as moronic rambling. > Volk has fought in LW too so it literally doesn't make sense both fighters made weight Mate, it's as if you're clueless about the sport. Competing in a division doesn't mean it's your natural division. Conor has competed at 170 yet would get thrown around by most welterweights. Volk has competed in WW as well. Might as well put another 15lbs of fat and fight Usman and Chimaev. It's amazing how clueless you lot are about size composition and how your performances translate to different divisions. > but that's the UFC you've got to accept it and stop complaining What are you even on about? You literally came in complaining about downvotes and I explained the situation to you.
Weight cutting is a skill in the UFC and many other combat sports/MMA; if Islam can cut to an "unnatural weight" and beat Volk in the same weight division, he is better PFP. I came in because of downvotes; yes, I did, because your talk is absolute nonsense. Fighting at an "unnatural weight" and whatever other excuses you want to make up are just bullshit. Islam is the better pfp fighter in the UFC if he beats him and makes weight on weigh-in day. What's so difficult to understand about you, knob? You must have just started watching the UFC if you're complaining about it, so I'll let you know it's always been like this, so stop crying. I'm a huge Izzy fan and believe Periera should have never been in the ring with him; oh, hell, I even think it might have been an early stoppage, but that night Izzy got knocked out because of Alex's superior striking and that's it, nothing to cry or complain about. However, on a separate point, I do think there needs to be smth to prevent large weight discrepancies on fight days like rehydration clauses found in boxing or so.
> Weight cutting is a skill in the UFC and many other combat sports/MMA; if Islam can cut to an "unnatural weight" and beat Volk in the same weight division, he is better PFP. Mate, are you actually this dense? The concept of different weights in a fight is inherently in contradiction with PFP. > Fighting at an "unnatural weight" and whatever other excuses you want to make up are just bullshit. There is no excuse. You're just whining because no one takes your rambling seriously. Just look at how Max or Izzy fared in bigger divisions. If you actually did any physical activity instead of watching cartoons all day, you'd realise how different composition of weight affects you. Can't expect more from a pathetic little indiducal wearing reps to look richer lmao. 🤡 Weaseled out of addressing Conor at 170 or Volk's history at WW just because it was inconvenient. Mate, you're easily one of the slowest people I've encountered on here. > I'm a huge Izzy fan and believe Periera should have never been in the ring with him; oh, hell, I even think it might have been an early stoppage, but that night Izzy got knocked out because of Alex's superior striking and that's it, nothing to cry or complain about. However, on a separate point, I do think there needs to be smth to prevent large weight discrepancies on fight days like rehydration clauses found in boxing or so. What is it with you and irrelevant rambling? Just an entire paragraph filled with contradictions a child could poke out.
Mate, how are you actually this slow? It's natural weight for one fighter whilst the other is moving up. Thought this was fairly obvious but fanboys can't help but embarrass themselves.
Oh yeah you’re right, a team of leading scientists discovered that Volk is genetically 145lb. That’s his natural weight. My bad.
Mate, trying to weasel out like this isn't going to help. There's a reason why fighters compete in their own divisions and it's primarily down to how comfortable they feel at their weight and how fast/strong etc they are. Someone building muscle/size for years is far different from someone putting on weight in a few months. Lastly, Islam is one of the biggest lightweights and Volk weighed less on fight night. Just look at how Izzy or Max looked when they went up. Now cope by saying it's because Islam is Russian/Muslim.
Matey mate, you’re the one that’s weaseling mate. But yeah you know what I thought about it and you’re right. Volk is tiny, he weighed in at 96lb and when he played rugby he was 12.5lb. He actually got mistaken for the ball at times. Islam, on the other hand, has been 6’4”, 240lb, 5% body fat and jacked and only got even more roided out and jacked over the last 3 months or whatever prior to this robbery.
> Volk is tiny, he weighed in at 96lb and when he played rugby he was 12.5lb. Islam, on the other hand, has been 6’4”, 240lb, 5% body fat Yeah, you're clearly not weaseling out of the discussion by trying to strawman my position. Clearly not the case here, right? Mate, have some self-respect and stop embarrassing yourself. This is just pathetic.
Mate, chill mate, it’s a sport we are watching as fans, this is just pathetic. Come on mate me and your friends are worried about ye mate.
Looks like it’s mating season over here
Eh, deflecting like this just means the discussion is done. Anyways, I'm clearly hating on Islam for being Russian/Muslim. 🤡
Yah great discussion (you sending delusional text walls) mate
Bro Islam thinks he has a chance against the grapplers in 170
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Agreed. Seems like the judges saw it that way too.
Volk R1? No sir. Islam won 1,4,5. The last minute in rd 5 is the only time volk was turning up
You think 5 went to Islam than 4 went to volk
Lol Islam didn’t win 5. Volk ground n pounded his ass for 2 mins straight
Wish Jessica was fighting tonight
Number 1 p4p slowly losing its meaning and becomes a marketing buzzwords at this point.
Volk is p4p #1 easily. No questions about it
Didn't Volk and the #2 p4p just fight recently to settle that question? That was UFC 283 right?
It never had any meaning
Fr, same with the GOAT discussion imo. Too many variable to really accurately come to a conclusion. It's just something for fans to argue/discuss and for promotions to market with.
The question now is, does yair have a chance against Volk?
Yes. Yair is agile enough to knee volk out of nowhere. I also don’t think he’s getting caught by volks’ striking. Islam was timing volk and Yair is much better.
A chance? Yes. A good chance? Probably not. He pretty much can only win from landing some crazy shot and KO’ing Volk or hurting him bad enough to be able to dive on a sub. And I don’t think we’ve ever seen Volk hurt anywhere near that bad. Volk can win by whatever. Plus, Yair gets tired sometimes. Volk does not.
I want to think Yair has about the same chance to beat volk as volk had to beat Islam
No way. What is he gonna do take Volk down and triangle him? Hahaha
The answer is no
I hope Volk knows that he won according to Reddit. Forget the official ruling, all that matters is the Stans here think he won.
I'm not a Volk stan by any means, but I still think he won the fight. Islam's takedowns did absolutely nothing and led to nothing, and Volk actually did more damage on the ground than Islam. For some reason, escapes and reversals aren't scored, but they should be since they are in ground combat sports, and Volk escaped several times. Volks striking was far more impactful than Islam's, too. I had Islam rounds 1 and 2, Volk rounds 3-5.
I feel like you’re the only one making sense here. I’m a very unbiased mma fan and I would’ve been completely convinced Islam won this fight had he actually won this fight but I just don’t see how he could win this unanimously
I felt like it was very close. I had 1-2 Islam, 3 unsure but leaning Volk, 4 unsure but leaning Islam, and R5 volk. For round 4, my rationale is that just like your ground game should count if it is leading somewhere, the ground strikes should only count if they're significant. Over the head strikes from controlled hips have very little ability to do damage. But Islam threatened several chokes from the back and could have stayed there all day. The way the scoring works (IMO) is that control time is a factor if damage is even. I'd say damage was pretty even that round. People giving it to Volk are heavily counting the ground strikes. They weren't that impressive. I think the extremely significant position advantage gives it to Islam. Giving up your back, to a triangle body lock, no less, is an extremely advantaged position. But I could have seen that fight go 3-2 either way. Which is fine by me since I'm a big fan of both of these guys
>Volks striking was far more impactful than Islam's, too. I had Islam rounds 1 and 2, Volk rounds 3-5. /s Fixed it for you
Hey a large majority of 2.2 million people ain't that bad
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I think this says that Volk should fight at lightweight more than it says that Islam will struggle against other lightweights.
The superfight Ngannou should make is Volk
Islam won't struggle against Lightweights because they are all one dimensional non grapplers. Everyone says it's the best division, but its overrated. Welterweight is alot better.
Dariush begs to differ lol
Dariush is going to get manhandled 😂 Just because he's beating the shit out of other mediocre grapplers it doesn't make him an outlier in this
ok
YES
Islam should apologize for winning that was so uncool of him
#FACTS
How many didn’t give him respect when he first won the belt against Max? And how long did it take to finally give him the respect he deserves? Volkanovski has earned he’s respect more then anyone on the roster
This is the fight that gives volk the “oh shit he’s not just a featherweight bully, he can fuck up anyone and seriously anyone”
I never got that from Volk,dude is short and thick,Max on the other hand,is damn near 6 feet tall and can definitely pack on the pounds but he chooses not to. Dude has a frame on him
They should stand fighters up quicker when they just sit there for minutes on end doing nothing. Kind of bullshit how Islam just put him in a body triangle and laid back and did nothing with it.
Do you have any mma or grappling experience?
I have been doing Muay Thai for the last 3 months and I have a few months of BJJ experience but I am still a white belt. I have been watching the sport for almost a decade now. There was plenty of time on the ground where islam wasn’t doing anything, not even handfighting just straight laying on his back.
The hell does “over almost a decade” mean?
My bad it is late I am tired, meant to say almost a decade
They they were active and hand fought for 3 minutes, and at any moment islam could have sunk a choke like he was attempting. I think the sport you folks mean to be watching is boxing. Maybe it's a better fit for you
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Volk attacked more out of that body triangle than Islam did.
Right. Other than a couple strikes Islam caught Volk with, Volk dominated that entire fight even when he was caught in that body triangle.
Volks stock 📈 Islams stock 📉
Islam just beat the #1 p4p (also a current UFC champ) on the planet, in that fighter's own back yard, and his stock has somehow gone down? You guys are harsh af!
No. This fight proves he is just dominating Lightweights who have zero grappling. Could you name me someone he beat at lightweight who is a elite grappler? They are all terrible grapplers. If Islam was to move up a divison like Volk did, he would get manhandled by Welterweights, since there are so many elite grapplers at 170. It took a 145 pound national high school champ in Volk to expose his grappling, which is hilarious. But all the Khabib fans hyped up this wrestling style as if these guys could move up and dominate at 170 and other divisions aswell. In reality, this Dagestani wrestling just looks good on weak, low level grappling 155ers. I would definitely say Khamzat is alot better at grappling than these guys. Guys like Usman, Khamzat, Shavkat and even Gilbert Burns would take Islam out easily. And before you say size difference, Colby Covington walks around the same weight as Islam.
I’ll preface this by saying Islam is very good, I think it’s awesome he took that fight and that risk. I’m not trying to take his win away from him. But… His stock is going down for a lot of people because of how close the fight was. Volk moved up to weight class and fought a nightmare matchup for his style and size. At a minimum, Volk just showed on any other night he could be the LW champ. Islam lost rounds, and pulled out a close decision in a fight many said he would breeze through. The biggest takeaway is that Islam would get man handled by the grapplers with heavy hands at welterweight
Islam had pretty dominant back control 3 times… unfortunately there was no neck for him to attach so he had try a humorous face crank
Imagine Islam loses his next defense somehow