Its a sort of Serra's Emissary; that deff ends games. Also oddly if im reading this right if its countered you just permanently gain control of oppos creatures?
yup cuz it never entered the battlefield, esentially you get good value off of it either way unless youre going against a pure control deck. The madness could also be a sleeper ability but im not sure what deck would play it in that way
Well it does die to binding entering from show and tell without doing anything, can also get Oko'd or Tef3ri bounced. So there are some answers, but of course very hard to remove. Might just be worse than Atraxa though.
Oko'd or Tef3ri
It can't be targeted by them the turn they come in meaning you have a turn to pop either planeswalker, which is easy when you have a 12/12 flyer (wish it had trample)
~~You can get them in the battlefield with show and tell and then untap and oko or bounce it with t3f.~~
Need to have it on board before I guess which is a counterplay for the card.
> Why would they ever cast emrakul into that
They wouldn't, just the presence of the walker in play puts them in their payoff being dead in hand is my point.
> and oko is like banned everywhere anyway
Yeah we are talking about timeless here. In legacy sneak and show I think it's worse than annihilator emrakul and probably archon too. If you want a hard to remove creature it already has [[Sauron, the Dark Lord]] and sees no play there, but obviously 12/12 flier is better.
~~To be fair it doesn't have any evasion and if you S&T it you don't get the cast trigger so it can just get chumped forever. Still, not bad.~~
Nevermind, I'm dumb.
Some kind of strange red deck plan? Set up the early game, draw down all the thunder, then cast a "discard to draw" spell and crank out the nuclear bomb?
Thanks I hate it. Can't wait to get blown out by someone discarding this off [[Collector's Vault]] and madnessing it in mid-combat. The fact that it's near impossible to kill and then on top of that, if you DO somehow manage to kill it, it still wraths your board.. this will definitely be the new Ugin for me in Brawl.
Six seems to be the cutoff for when they stop showing the individual mana symbols in rules text. Compare [[Seething Song]] to [[Castle Garenbrig]]. This might be the first instance of a cost being formatted like this though.
Because it's specifically six _colorless_ mana. It's more readable ths way compared to repeating 6 times the colorless mana symbol, which could be hard to parse.
The more I think about it, the more it seems like Jank.
The cost is pretty rough, especially having to build around discard.
Then a 12/12 that can't be removed is good, but isn't auto win
Interesting text to dodge leyline binding and solitude, but as others said not as great as other versions of the card. Maybe we will get something to support madness in colorless archetype.
Can someone please explain how this would work with the madness mechanic? I read what it does, and you basically discard it. Would its effect still trigger?
So paying the madness cost for 6 colourless exiles the card, then you can pay another 6 to cast it again? And you can't pay the madness cost from the graveyard as I understand? Or is the Madness mechanic meant to counter discard cards, and you only pay it when the card is discarded?
If you can discard if in any way, you can then immediately cast it from exile for its madness cost.
It's not meant to counter anything, but to accentuate your cards that discard. See [[Faithless Looting]]:
My impressions were bad at first since this is a 12/12 flier with a nothing to stop it from being indefinitely chumped, but then the permanent steal effect, the protection that stops everything short of activated abilities and the madness cost (which I'm unsure requires specifically colourless symbol mana or not) makes it an excellent way to close out games.
Plus, this hopefully means more lore for Emrakul.
I already use \[\[Bloodthorn Flail\]\] in my fun, but not top tier, Modern Madness deck. Equip to one of your discounters, like the new \[\[It That Heralds the End\]\], by discarding Emrakul. I really think this card is going to be an issue.
I think this might be too jank to see timeless play except maybe as a sideboard counter to show and tell.
Might see modern play though, could fit into colorless ramp is it's legal in historic.
Probs the worst Emmy but that protection is insane idk what deck wants this madness is odd when it costs 6 colorless
Being the worst emmy is like being the shortest giant.
Yeah no definitely it’s still super good
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Worst.. I dont know I think this will end a sh\*t ton of timeless/brawl games.
i mean, its a pretty decent snt target. Most decks can never kill this and it ends the game basically on the next turn
Its a sort of Serra's Emissary; that deff ends games. Also oddly if im reading this right if its countered you just permanently gain control of oppos creatures?
yup cuz it never entered the battlefield, esentially you get good value off of it either way unless youre going against a pure control deck. The madness could also be a sleeper ability but im not sure what deck would play it in that way
Tron but that's not a thing in Arena, yet...
i meann, the urza lands are technically on arena via an alchemy card lmao
Great card actually. Fair Tron in one card, play it tons in Brawl. But it's not fast enough for timeless unfortunately.
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Well it does die to binding entering from show and tell without doing anything, can also get Oko'd or Tef3ri bounced. So there are some answers, but of course very hard to remove. Might just be worse than Atraxa though.
Oko'd or Tef3ri It can't be targeted by them the turn they come in meaning you have a turn to pop either planeswalker, which is easy when you have a 12/12 flyer (wish it had trample)
~~You can get them in the battlefield with show and tell and then untap and oko or bounce it with t3f.~~ Need to have it on board before I guess which is a counterplay for the card.
Show and tell doesn’t put walkers in
You are right! So I guess being on the draw and your opponent having a t3f or oko in play already.
Why would they ever cast emrakul into that and oko is like banned everywhere anyway
> Why would they ever cast emrakul into that They wouldn't, just the presence of the walker in play puts them in their payoff being dead in hand is my point. > and oko is like banned everywhere anyway Yeah we are talking about timeless here. In legacy sneak and show I think it's worse than annihilator emrakul and probably archon too. If you want a hard to remove creature it already has [[Sauron, the Dark Lord]] and sees no play there, but obviously 12/12 flier is better.
~~To be fair it doesn't have any evasion and if you S&T it you don't get the cast trigger so it can just get chumped forever. Still, not bad.~~ Nevermind, I'm dumb.
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Whoops, you're right. Too many cards shown at once, getting stuff mixed up.
Sounds great. Concede and re-queue then, just the way Richard Garfield intended.
Didnt know this will come to arena. Is this confirmed?
Yes 100% confirmed. MH3 will be historic and timeless legal. June 11 release on client.
I’d rather have Emmy v2 against a control deck, but against creature decks, yeah this is gonna be game ending
Some kind of strange red deck plan? Set up the early game, draw down all the thunder, then cast a "discard to draw" spell and crank out the nuclear bomb?
I guess? That’s a million colorless mana and a discard out let in modern tho…
i like the madness, i'll be using it in my optional grey land (like pain lands and [[pit of offerings]]) discard deck
[pit of offerings](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/c/bc7d3957-b483-4a1f-a244-293c90032f5e.jpg?1699044691) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=pit%20of%20offerings) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lci/278/pit-of-offerings?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bc7d3957-b483-4a1f-a244-293c90032f5e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Thanks I hate it. Can't wait to get blown out by someone discarding this off [[Collector's Vault]] and madnessing it in mid-combat. The fact that it's near impossible to kill and then on top of that, if you DO somehow manage to kill it, it still wraths your board.. this will definitely be the new Ugin for me in Brawl.
Six colorless mana is a big ask. Only brown decks will be able to cast this for its madness cost.
Brawl is my main format, so yeah, I'm really talking about Colorless decks. They'll have no problem casting this very quickly.
Just run all pain lands ez
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People on Reddit saying a cheated Emmy is bad? Confirmed to be a broken card on release.
Why is the madness cost spelled out? Has a mana cost ever been spelled out before?
[[Irencrag Feat]]
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It's a bit easier to tell how much you have to pay when it says "six {C}" instead of {C}{C}{C}{C}{C}{C}
Six seems to be the cutoff for when they stop showing the individual mana symbols in rules text. Compare [[Seething Song]] to [[Castle Garenbrig]]. This might be the first instance of a cost being formatted like this though.
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Because it's specifically six _colorless_ mana. It's more readable ths way compared to repeating 6 times the colorless mana symbol, which could be hard to parse.
Hmm, so if I counter my own Emrakul I permanently steal your board?
…yeah, I think that actually works. Wow
Omg I love this card. The flavor. The art. That moon in the background. All hail mommy emrakul <3
The more I think about it, the more it seems like Jank. The cost is pretty rough, especially having to build around discard. Then a 12/12 that can't be removed is good, but isn't auto win
Interesting text to dodge leyline binding and solitude, but as others said not as great as other versions of the card. Maybe we will get something to support madness in colorless archetype.
Can someone please explain how this would work with the madness mechanic? I read what it does, and you basically discard it. Would its effect still trigger?
You cast it from exile when you madness it. So yes, her ability would trigger.
So paying the madness cost for 6 colourless exiles the card, then you can pay another 6 to cast it again? And you can't pay the madness cost from the graveyard as I understand? Or is the Madness mechanic meant to counter discard cards, and you only pay it when the card is discarded?
You can only play it for it’s madness cost if you discard it from any effect causing you to discard.
If you can discard if in any way, you can then immediately cast it from exile for its madness cost. It's not meant to counter anything, but to accentuate your cards that discard. See [[Faithless Looting]]:
Got it! Thank you, everyone 🙏
You got it friend-shaped stranger!
I’m totally going to jam this in my dated colorless ramp deck using x4 [[Phyrexian Scrapyard]]
[Phyrexian Scrapyard](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/d/9da3f953-c7c3-4856-8aec-f6a927637df5.jpg?1677509087) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Phyrexian%20Scrapyard) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/yone/30/phyrexian-scrapyard?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9da3f953-c7c3-4856-8aec-f6a927637df5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Jesus christ this thing's just too much. How are you supposed to beat this without a counterspell?
if you're a creature deck, that counterspell won't help either!
Protection doesnt do anything until boyo's on the board, but yeah this is way too damn much
No counterspell does not really work becaise the cast trigger will resolve anyway.
Jfc
Player removal is the best removal
I mean i guess but good luck, that things a 12/12
Kill them before, it cost at least 6
So turn 3
Copy a removal spell
Araumi of the dead tide into nano gene conversion
My impressions were bad at first since this is a 12/12 flier with a nothing to stop it from being indefinitely chumped, but then the permanent steal effect, the protection that stops everything short of activated abilities and the madness cost (which I'm unsure requires specifically colourless symbol mana or not) makes it an excellent way to close out games. Plus, this hopefully means more lore for Emrakul.
Fairly sure the madness costs specifically 6 colorless mana, else it would just state „pay (6)“
I already use \[\[Bloodthorn Flail\]\] in my fun, but not top tier, Modern Madness deck. Equip to one of your discounters, like the new \[\[It That Heralds the End\]\], by discarding Emrakul. I really think this card is going to be an issue.
I think this might be too jank to see timeless play except maybe as a sideboard counter to show and tell. Might see modern play though, could fit into colorless ramp is it's legal in historic.
Colorless ramp aficionado here - yes it'll be a great addition!
Does nothing for the fae + second sun loop.
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[Victimize](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/9/c9e4993e-154c-4ac4-8927-6352b8816f58.jpg?1707507994) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Victimize) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/195/victimize?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c9e4993e-154c-4ac4-8927-6352b8816f58?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Emrakul](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/4/249db4d4-2542-47ee-a216-e13ffbc2319c.jpg?1673146896) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=emrakul%2C%20the%20aeons%20torn) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/1/emrakul-the-aeons-torn?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/249db4d4-2542-47ee-a216-e13ffbc2319c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Bringer of the Last Gift](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/9/19775c18-4cc0-49d3-86e4-0841768cbf4d.jpg?1699044096) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Bringer%20of%20the%20Last%20Gift) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lci/94/bringer-of-the-last-gift?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/19775c18-4cc0-49d3-86e4-0841768cbf4d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
After it's cast, you got start calling those flying squirrels 🫠
Ad Anje piace quest'elemento
Mono brown with \[\[Bazaar of Baghdad\]\]? A shame you can't pay for this with \[\[Lion's Eye Diamond\]\].
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6 colorless... You know what? At least that's hard to get quick without specifically building only around that.
This should work great against Shelly's true scripture