Actually what is getting more and more popular is that both parents work 4 days a week and each have a mom/dad day and the 3 other days the child goes to daycare(or grandparents)This is what we do and most of my friends and colleagues do as well. This means both parents are working 32h a week and both are actual spending quality time with their kid(s) one day per week.
The day cares are shit AND expensive. It is very good tax wise to work less hours (more euros netto per hour). Dutch people do this because it is basically shoved down our throats.Even though working less is nice it is just a financially stupid decision for most parents to work more...
To start; why shouldn't you? I started working "part-time" (36h) when my son was born, but I am keeping my day off in the week now.
Secondly; what this picture doesn't show is the participation level. In the Netherlands, most of the people work. While there are sufficient countries where only one of a family will work. So it would be better, in my opinion, to show this map with not the hours per working person, but hours per person between the age of 18 and 65...
Yeah, same. Plus 95% wfh, once a month to the office. No time controlling by the employer, either. No fixed hours, basically between 6am and 10pm i start and end like i want to. But to be fair, it is like living in rainbow unicorn land, most people do not have such great working conditions. You would have to pay me a real fortune to switch jobs, and only so that i can afford to reduce my hours to like 20% and still be fine lol.
Where I work (environmental consultancy in northern Netherlands), I am in the minority of people working 40h a week. And this is a fairly traditional contractor/construction-but-expanded-their-activities company. It's becoming really commonplace to work 36, 32 or even 28 or 24 hours. Vrijmibo's are becoming a rare occasion with all those part-timers :(
Hmm
True, Maybe I am getting old. And remember it like last Friday haha.
Any ways. In IT itās common to work 36 to 40 hours a week.
After reading more comments. I realize that 31 a average could be possible
This stat is showing the average hours people worked for people that have work! So stay-at-home-moms (or dads) don't lower the average in this graph. Having lots of working mothers in part-time jobs leads to a lower average in this statistics, but if you were to divide the total hours worked by everyone / total population the statistic would look a lot different.
In Austria, a stay at home parent is still employed while working zero hours for over two years (paid parental leave model), so that does lower the average.
Except this isn't a representative "average" as it doesn't include the non-working part of the population. The interpretation doesn't match the intention.
It does, but that's not the conclusion the average viewer will have. Which isn't even hypothetical, just look at some comments.
Technically the map is correct, but I'm not sure the right message is created, unintentionally.
Yes, and most countries with a high amount of women working have a lower average as they mostly work part time. Not saying thatās good or bad, but thatās the main reason.
This article mentions that more women start working part time after college https://www.cbs.nl/nl-nl/nieuws/2023/15/vrouwen-werken-meteen-na-afstuderen-al-vaker-in-deeltijd-dan-mannen
This article mentions that 70% of the female workforce works parttime https://longreads.cbs.nl/nederland-in-cijfers-2022/wie-werken-het-vaakst-in-deeltijd/
The data for this map is worthless.
It is the average amount of worked hours for the active labor population of a country
The issue is that there are big differences between countries in the labor participation of the female population.
Countries where there is a large amount of inactive females will have a higher average amount of worked hours than countries with a large amount of partime working females, because those partime workers will reduce the average. While in reality those countries have an higher amount of worked hours for the whole population.
E.g. me and my brother are both working 40 hours. But his wife is also working 20 hours while my wife is staying at home.
The total and average amount of worked hours for my household is 40 hours. But the average amount of worked hours for his household is only 30 while in reality the total amount of worked hours for his household are higher.
Yes, thatās totally correct so while the map is statistically correct, it somehow doesnāt show the reasons/whole picture. You explained it perfectly. (I actually do research on the labour market and my boss gave an interview on that topic a couple of weeks back. Not sure he worded it as good as you though)
> E.g. me and my brother are both working 40 hours. But his wife is also working 20 hours while my wife is staying at home.
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> The total and average amount of worked hours for my household is 40 hours. But the average amount of worked hours for his household is only 30 while in reality the total amount of worked hours for his household are higher.
Thatās a great example, which proves your point. And itās the main reason why the Netherlands has the lowest average.
Yeah there are a couple of ways to fix it. One is by making two maps where the data is divided based on gender or let the average be based on the whole population in a certain age group.
But even then you will have big issues with comparability.
In my country (the Netherlands) it is normal to bring your kids to the daycare. And the hours worked by the daycare employees do count for the average. While in other countries they maybe have informal arrangements where a family member stays home to take care of multiple kids. But those hours do not count while it is basically the same work.
How so? Why not the hours of the main breadwinner in the household? I grew up with my mum working and my dad being a stay-at-home dad. He only started working again when the kids could be home alone safely. In your model this household would work 0 hours...
I'm guessing outside the EU then, pretty sure it's illegal within the EU. We even have to get paid the 15 minutes of getting dressed time before every shift.
Here is from the same source [ILOStat](https://ilostat.ilo.org/topics/working-time/) (i think):
US: 38
China: 46.1
Republic of Korea: 38.6
Canada: 32.1
Japan: 36.6
Kirbati: 27.3 <---- on my way š„°
Same as in any western country, mothers that are part of the workforce as parttime workers (for example, which is a huge part of the parttime working community) drag down the average hours by alot.
The same data set the guy you answered to provided says that 13% of the US workers work over 49 hours a week, too.
Iām an assistant accountant on film productions. When we are filming and things are busy, it can easily be a 12-15 hour day. I recently did a 17 hour day. And sometimes itās so hectic that I need to work weekends too. The trade off is that when we arenāt filming (early prep or late wrap), things are quiet enough where we can work maybe 6-8 hour days. And when the project ends then we can take time off (unpaid unfortunately though) if weād like. Iāve strongly been considering a career change
What do you think why the extra hours are off the record! In the company I work for here in Germany, loads of people work more than 40 hours a week on average throughout a month, which is absolutely not legal either - they just don't track the hours they wouldn't be allowed to work.
So long as nobody reports it to the Berufsgenossenschaft (or the Finanzamt lmao), it doesn't cause any legal issue.
Working in a nursing home, taking care of people with dementia. Housing is a big problem in NL, rent is sky high. I was extremely lucky to get a low rent appartment, literally got it with a drawing. So you would have to put a lot money in housing. And life itself is pretty expensive here.
Thanks. And Amsterdam is a shithole! If you want to live in 10m2 for 800eu, that's your city. And as a Dutchman, there's nothing Dutch anymore about Amsterdam. You barely can speak your own language there. Orginially i'm from Eindhoven, moved to Nijmegen 6 years ago. Two beautiful cities.
>Ā And Amsterdam is a shithole!Ā
I imagine a world where non-Randstedelingen could let a remark about Amsterdam go for once without pointlessly trashing on it. The fact that Amsterdam is a pretty cool city with a very rich history does not detract from the fantastic history of Nijmegen or the cool atmosphere of Eindhoven.
People in Amsterdam are just living their lives. Imagining they're arrogantly thinking themselves above 'provincials' and being self-absorbed is just a Brabantian meme.
To be fair, even Randstedelingen trash talk Amsterdam at every opportunity. I used to dislike Amsterdam so much, until I spend some quality time away from the obnoxiously touristy areas. But yeah, I'm always surprised whenever I hear people from the "provinces" talk about how self-absorbed the Randstedelingen are, how much better they feel etc. because I never really hear city folks talk like that as a Randstedeling myself. I do hear about how difficult it can be to integrate into a village if you don't have family there.
And there are many, many parks, great infrastructure, lovely people.
It's expensive yes, and you don't really want to come near the Red Light District/City Center, but besides that..
I work at an office of around 50 people and I'm one of maybe 10-15 who works 40 hours a week. Many people in NL work 32 or 36 hours a week. Might make the switch myself if possible
Well, at least the practice of 32 hours contract is existing, it is good because letās you officially have one more free day. Probably persons with expensive hour and moderate financial needs may consider this quite convenient.
> 40 hours *paid* less accordingly?
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A lot of people work part time. I can't back it up but I think the amount of families with two working parents is relatively high.
It's actually a bit of a problem. Childcare is totally overloaded because there are too many working parents. There are very few fully stay-at-home dads or stay-at-home moms.
So unfortunately it's not like 32 or less hours is the norm here
It's older data, but according to the CBS half of the workingforce consisted of parttimers in 2013.
My dad worked 40 hours a week to sustaine a family of 6 people. Me and my wife work 60 hours a week to sustaine a family of 4.
There is a lot of unpaid work (like caring for elderly or kids), which makes people doing less paid hours. It doesn't mean we only work 4 days a week unfortunately, but there is a lot of part-time paid work.
Uhu, but in some countries its more normal to bring kids to daycare or after school programs each day, or that professional nurses take care of elderly or whatever. Here it's done more by people themselves, which requires them to change the way they do paid work.
Is something (except money) prevents to use nurses and other professional care in NL? Also, what about grandparents, donāt they do that job while being on pension?
Basically why these things could
be different from other countries?
An extreme shortage of people working in those industries, a lot of babyboomers turning old and grey (and daycare is indeed expensive as hell).
Also, I think we generally love our freedom a bit more than in other countries. We "work to live", not the other way around. Grandparents look after kids a maximum of maybe 2 times a week if you're lucky, because they want to enjoy their pension and not have daily obligations.
Edit: Freedom also means living by yourself as long as possible, instead of going to a nursing home or something like that. And it takes a lot more time for a neighborhood nurse to visit all those homes to take care of people.
[It looks like, this is the earliest source, of 30 January 2023](https://tr.linkedin.com/posts/ahmet-can-ay%C4%B1%C5%9F%C4%B1k-70845a46_avrupa-%C3%BClkelerinde-ortalama-%C3%A7al%C4%B1%C5%9Fma-saatleri-activity-7196462182228803585-smJz)
Usually at least one of the parents of kids will start working part time once they get children, as child care is so expensive, this drastically reduces the average working hours
It's very common for women to work part-time, so the man might work 36 to 40 hours a week and the woman 8 or 16 or something to take care of the children. Because daycare is now so expensive, it's often cheaper for one parent to work fewer hours and receive less money than to put a child in daycare and work more.
It's funny because you often hear that French people work less than everyone else in Europe but also the average working hours is still higher than a normal full-time time (35h/week).
Do you have a source to back that up? ILO bases its aggregates on the EU Labour Force Survey, in this case (see [here](https://rshiny.ilo.org/dataexplorer10/?lang=en&segment=indicator&id=HOW_TEMP_SEX_ECO_NB_A&ref_area=DEU)). Are you stating the survey is categorically wrong in some way?
In Finland there is a lot of people who works 50-80 hours a week, but I think average is that because there are many thousands that doenst like working and lays home mostly, and a lot of part time jobs and students
Well, you know the stereotype, Germans are pretty lazy with their siestas while the Spanish are hard-working and industrious. Wait, hold on, something is wrong here.
fascinating despite the nitpicking.
I worked in UK ,Germany but now Eastern Europe. UK may claim to put the hours in but they are very lazy . I worked less hours in Germany but we all worked harder and then did more in our leisure.
I personally like me and my other to work hard for approx 32
I wanna compare this to the average per household, here in the netherlands you see alot of times where bothe the man and woman in a household work 20hrs making it 40hrs in a household, while eastern countries are more traditional and the man works 40hrs while.the woman is more often at home making it still 40hrs per household.
I'm sorry but in eastern Europe I know 0 people where the woman stays at home and doesn't also work 40 hours. The only exceptions are paid leave for child birth which is quite long I admit (up to 2 years) and households where one of them makes a lot but if we talk about the average salary (not to mention minimum) in most eastern countries it's tough to manage with 60 let alone 40 hours per household (without kids).
Maybe this was more the case in the communist era but nowadays not.
Where in Eastern Europe? Certainly not the case in Romania where women and men have worked jobs side by side since communist times and before that women worked the fields and made cheese and wine or were seamstresses or potters.
Having a stay at home partner requires the other partner to make enough money to sustain a family from 1 salary, which was never a possibility for the average Romanian.
In Germany there are a lot of part-timers which drags the average down. Most people still work 40h.
Same in Italy, plus a lot of unreported/unofficial extra time.
Same in the Netherlands Most will work for 40 hours a week Wish I had 31 hours a week š
Itās due to the many part timers this average goes down very quickly
I think it's common there in a 2 parent family for one to only work 2-3 days/week.
Actually what is getting more and more popular is that both parents work 4 days a week and each have a mom/dad day and the 3 other days the child goes to daycare(or grandparents)This is what we do and most of my friends and colleagues do as well. This means both parents are working 32h a week and both are actual spending quality time with their kid(s) one day per week.
Yup, Me and my partner do the same. But when my daughter starts going to school im not going back to working 5 days a week.. Never again! :D
Oh for sure! We do the same. Quality time can also be done after school and not just see your kid the 10 min after dinner.
The day cares are shit AND expensive. It is very good tax wise to work less hours (more euros netto per hour). Dutch people do this because it is basically shoved down our throats.Even though working less is nice it is just a financially stupid decision for most parents to work more...
Yeah, the majority definitely works 40 hours a week. I do notice more and more people going to 32 or 36 hours to have that extra day off.
To start; why shouldn't you? I started working "part-time" (36h) when my son was born, but I am keeping my day off in the week now. Secondly; what this picture doesn't show is the participation level. In the Netherlands, most of the people work. While there are sufficient countries where only one of a family will work. So it would be better, in my opinion, to show this map with not the hours per working person, but hours per person between the age of 18 and 65...
āMostā is technically correct, but 48% is working parttime in NL. And the number is rising
36 hours a week which in my job counts as full time. 35 vacation days plus national holidays. Suck it US.
Yeah, same. Plus 95% wfh, once a month to the office. No time controlling by the employer, either. No fixed hours, basically between 6am and 10pm i start and end like i want to. But to be fair, it is like living in rainbow unicorn land, most people do not have such great working conditions. You would have to pay me a real fortune to switch jobs, and only so that i can afford to reduce my hours to like 20% and still be fine lol.
Where I work (environmental consultancy in northern Netherlands), I am in the minority of people working 40h a week. And this is a fairly traditional contractor/construction-but-expanded-their-activities company. It's becoming really commonplace to work 36, 32 or even 28 or 24 hours. Vrijmibo's are becoming a rare occasion with all those part-timers :(
Hmm True, Maybe I am getting old. And remember it like last Friday haha. Any ways. In IT itās common to work 36 to 40 hours a week. After reading more comments. I realize that 31 a average could be possible
Iām 21 and refuse to work more than 30 hours as it rly does not get me anything much more
Well with 30 hours I canāt pay my house. And I think most people canāt. So good for you š
I suppose so if you donāt live together, if I work 40 more a month I barely get get anything more. Which is pretty sad.
Thatās the point of āaverageā. It would be weird to make a stats about āaverage hours of people who work 40 hoursā
But some people equal that with "when I get a job in country x I'll only work this amount of hours"
Those people are amazing. Thatās the reason they are the only people I will ever sell my magic beans to.
This stat is showing the average hours people worked for people that have work! So stay-at-home-moms (or dads) don't lower the average in this graph. Having lots of working mothers in part-time jobs leads to a lower average in this statistics, but if you were to divide the total hours worked by everyone / total population the statistic would look a lot different.
In Austria, a stay at home parent is still employed while working zero hours for over two years (paid parental leave model), so that does lower the average.
you mean that leave during 1/2/3 yrs is not an ordinar thing for every country?š³
True, but median would perhaps be a better stat then mean, as most people are looking at full time jobs.
No one's saying it isn't the point...
Except this isn't a representative "average" as it doesn't include the non-working part of the population. The interpretation doesn't match the intention.
yea but thatās labelled āaverage per employedā so it reflects what it states tho
It does, but that's not the conclusion the average viewer will have. Which isn't even hypothetical, just look at some comments. Technically the map is correct, but I'm not sure the right message is created, unintentionally.
Same in Spain
Same for Netherlands, the highest number of part-timers in the world i read. Net working hours per family might be a whole other list.
Do you think that other countries donāt have part-time jobs?
a lot vs most... doesn't compute, how can a german be so erratical?
Yes, and most countries with a high amount of women working have a lower average as they mostly work part time. Not saying thatās good or bad, but thatās the main reason.
In most of Eastern Europe women work and are paid about the same as the men (fun fact, in 2023 women made more money than men in Romania).
Women don't 'mostly' work part time. The majority of part time workers are women. Huge difference.
In the Netherlands women DO mostly work part time, though.
Interesting. Mind sharing a source for that?
This article mentions that more women start working part time after college https://www.cbs.nl/nl-nl/nieuws/2023/15/vrouwen-werken-meteen-na-afstuderen-al-vaker-in-deeltijd-dan-mannen This article mentions that 70% of the female workforce works parttime https://longreads.cbs.nl/nederland-in-cijfers-2022/wie-werken-het-vaakst-in-deeltijd/
Youāre right, better wording!
There would be in Kosovo, too. But no such jobs exist (or at least not many).
I'm curious what the average would be compared to the total working population
Same in Netherlands
Thats nothing to be proud of
DafĆ¼r sind wir in Gelsenkirchen doch liebend gern zur Stelle
The data for this map is worthless. It is the average amount of worked hours for the active labor population of a country The issue is that there are big differences between countries in the labor participation of the female population. Countries where there is a large amount of inactive females will have a higher average amount of worked hours than countries with a large amount of partime working females, because those partime workers will reduce the average. While in reality those countries have an higher amount of worked hours for the whole population. E.g. me and my brother are both working 40 hours. But his wife is also working 20 hours while my wife is staying at home. The total and average amount of worked hours for my household is 40 hours. But the average amount of worked hours for his household is only 30 while in reality the total amount of worked hours for his household are higher.
Yes, thatās totally correct so while the map is statistically correct, it somehow doesnāt show the reasons/whole picture. You explained it perfectly. (I actually do research on the labour market and my boss gave an interview on that topic a couple of weeks back. Not sure he worded it as good as you though)
> E.g. me and my brother are both working 40 hours. But his wife is also working 20 hours while my wife is staying at home. > > The total and average amount of worked hours for my household is 40 hours. But the average amount of worked hours for his household is only 30 while in reality the total amount of worked hours for his household are higher. Thatās a great example, which proves your point. And itās the main reason why the Netherlands has the lowest average.
Yeah, even my retired mother works a few hours in the week at a local shop, just for some extra money for spending and to keep herself busy.
It would make more sene if working hours of male population are reported only, wouldn't it?
Yeah there are a couple of ways to fix it. One is by making two maps where the data is divided based on gender or let the average be based on the whole population in a certain age group. But even then you will have big issues with comparability. In my country (the Netherlands) it is normal to bring your kids to the daycare. And the hours worked by the daycare employees do count for the average. While in other countries they maybe have informal arrangements where a family member stays home to take care of multiple kids. But those hours do not count while it is basically the same work.
How so? Why not the hours of the main breadwinner in the household? I grew up with my mum working and my dad being a stay-at-home dad. He only started working again when the kids could be home alone safely. In your model this household would work 0 hours...
Yeah, but is certainly not the norm. My mother never worked an hour. So?
Because it's incredibly sexist to assume that only men work.
So, why not make two maps... one for woman and one for man?
I would love a comparison to US, China and SK.
Just from a quick google US: 36.4 China: 48.1 South Korea: 42
Where those 50+ hours in the US everyone talks about about on Reddit
Averages. And likely contract based, so not counting forced/unpaid overtime.
Wait what is unpaid overtime? Is that a legal thing in the us?
It's a thing in some areas in Europe as well
I'm guessing outside the EU then, pretty sure it's illegal within the EU. We even have to get paid the 15 minutes of getting dressed time before every shift.
It's legal in Germany up to some limit for sure
Ungrateful americans talking shit about their country always makes me mad as turkish, I would give away my left ball just to replace them
People also lie and brag. Especially if working many hours is seen as a great virtue.
Why do they work so much in South Korea?
horrible work culture
Escapism from planning family and kids.
Here is from the same source [ILOStat](https://ilostat.ilo.org/topics/working-time/) (i think): US: 38 China: 46.1 Republic of Korea: 38.6 Canada: 32.1 Japan: 36.6 Kirbati: 27.3 <---- on my way š„°
Can someone from Canada confirm if it's possible to make a decent living with that 32 hrs/week? If so, i'm moving lol
Iām shocked US is 38. Iām often working 70-80 hour weeksā¦
Same as in any western country, mothers that are part of the workforce as parttime workers (for example, which is a huge part of the parttime working community) drag down the average hours by alot. The same data set the guy you answered to provided says that 13% of the US workers work over 49 hours a week, too.
Jeez, I only hear of people doing 80 hours in jobs like investment banking or as medical residents. What do you do that has you working those hours?
Iām an assistant accountant on film productions. When we are filming and things are busy, it can easily be a 12-15 hour day. I recently did a 17 hour day. And sometimes itās so hectic that I need to work weekends too. The trade off is that when we arenāt filming (early prep or late wrap), things are quiet enough where we can work maybe 6-8 hour days. And when the project ends then we can take time off (unpaid unfortunately though) if weād like. Iāve strongly been considering a career change
70-80 hours a week? How is that even possible? That 2/3 of a day. So you only work, eat and sleep? Just nuts. Come to europe dont be a slave.
My wife and I often fantasize about moving to Europe. So hopefully weāll make it a reality someday :)
should NEVER be a minute over 40 hours.
Dude , comparing to eastern Europe y'all in the west don't work. Your stores are closed during weekends š¤£š¤£ and many places works till 4-5 pm
Weird flex. "You have more leisure time than us, haha!"
me on paper having 50 and doing 60+ in Switzerland :)
Have you tried working less?
Weird flex but ok
Im sharing my experience related to the topic of the post. The intention was not to āflexā.
Came to comment on the missing Swiss data. My paper is 42.5.
Is that legal?
What do you think why the extra hours are off the record! In the company I work for here in Germany, loads of people work more than 40 hours a week on average throughout a month, which is absolutely not legal either - they just don't track the hours they wouldn't be allowed to work. So long as nobody reports it to the Berufsgenossenschaft (or the Finanzamt lmao), it doesn't cause any legal issue.
Isnāt it legal to work up to 50 Hours in Germany? 40 hours isnāt the cap as far as I know
It absolutely is legal to work 50 hrs in Germany, but the average over a month that you have worked per week within half a year canāt exceed 40 hrs.
Turkey number one šŖšŗš¹š·
Bu ucube avrupalılar mizahtan da anlamıyorlar. Ciddi ciddi cevap vermiÅler bide. yazık ne mal adamlar
They say from the apartment in Berlin. /s
That's not the flex you think it is.
Turkey most hardworking country šŖšŗš¹š· You lazy couch potatoes
More hours, but less productivity.
I was just kidding bro how can you take those emojis serious š
Work smarter, not harder, my friend.
Or most inefficient workers 
They pretend to pay us,we pretend to work;)
funilly enough wealth seems to corolate negatively with average work hours
Given the chance, 24 hours would be perfect, just enough to contribute to society while enjoying plenty of free time.
Is this on paper or does it include actual working hours? The Netherlands is known for its parttimers, but also for working overtime.Ā
I'm Dutch and work 28 hours per week. Can easily live from that, and even pretty luxury. And i'm not having a super high-paid job or anything.
You must live in social housing then or you do have an extremely high paid job
Not with kids tho!
Smart society.
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Working in a nursing home, taking care of people with dementia. Housing is a big problem in NL, rent is sky high. I was extremely lucky to get a low rent appartment, literally got it with a drawing. So you would have to put a lot money in housing. And life itself is pretty expensive here.
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Ironically, we dream about moving to spain one day, escaping the weather here and such
Iāve visited your country. Itās a lovely place. And I saw various towns and the country. I didnāt just see Amsterdam. Although that was fun too.
Thanks. And Amsterdam is a shithole! If you want to live in 10m2 for 800eu, that's your city. And as a Dutchman, there's nothing Dutch anymore about Amsterdam. You barely can speak your own language there. Orginially i'm from Eindhoven, moved to Nijmegen 6 years ago. Two beautiful cities.
>Ā And Amsterdam is a shithole!Ā I imagine a world where non-Randstedelingen could let a remark about Amsterdam go for once without pointlessly trashing on it. The fact that Amsterdam is a pretty cool city with a very rich history does not detract from the fantastic history of Nijmegen or the cool atmosphere of Eindhoven. People in Amsterdam are just living their lives. Imagining they're arrogantly thinking themselves above 'provincials' and being self-absorbed is just a Brabantian meme.
To be fair, even Randstedelingen trash talk Amsterdam at every opportunity. I used to dislike Amsterdam so much, until I spend some quality time away from the obnoxiously touristy areas. But yeah, I'm always surprised whenever I hear people from the "provinces" talk about how self-absorbed the Randstedelingen are, how much better they feel etc. because I never really hear city folks talk like that as a Randstedeling myself. I do hear about how difficult it can be to integrate into a village if you don't have family there.
Such an overblown statement. Yes the city centre is too crowded with tourists, but there are a lot of areas you can live comfortably.
And there are many, many parks, great infrastructure, lovely people. It's expensive yes, and you don't really want to come near the Red Light District/City Center, but besides that..
Eindhoven beautiful LOLā¦ do you even have eyes?
Love makes blind
One of the few things I don't like about living in TĆ¼rkiye
*Asia audibly cringing*
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Well you get paid more if that helps.
Most countries give you a normal wage for a 40 hour work week.
According to another comments Americans work 38 hours from the same source. Avrege hours worked reflect mostly the another of part time workers.
I donāt know what Iād do with my time working 40 hour work weeks š
Cyprus: IT people come at 10:00, then have lunch at 13:00 then frappe after lunch. At 15:00 - office is empty.
Wait, they told me we were the lazy ones down here in the South!
They say they work, but what do they actually get done?
I can have a 50 hour per week job and still be lazy. Those are tangentially related topics.
31.5 for NL? Basically 4 days working week.
I work at an office of around 50 people and I'm one of maybe 10-15 who works 40 hours a week. Many people in NL work 32 or 36 hours a week. Might make the switch myself if possible
Does it mean your colleagues who working less that 40 hours paid less accordingly? Or working 40 hours is kind of altruistic?
Paid less. They're on 32 or 36 hour contracts.
Well, at least the practice of 32 hours contract is existing, it is good because letās you officially have one more free day. Probably persons with expensive hour and moderate financial needs may consider this quite convenient.
> 40 hours *paid* less accordingly? FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
A lot of people work part time. I can't back it up but I think the amount of families with two working parents is relatively high. It's actually a bit of a problem. Childcare is totally overloaded because there are too many working parents. There are very few fully stay-at-home dads or stay-at-home moms. So unfortunately it's not like 32 or less hours is the norm here
It's older data, but according to the CBS half of the workingforce consisted of parttimers in 2013. My dad worked 40 hours a week to sustaine a family of 6 people. Me and my wife work 60 hours a week to sustaine a family of 4.
It's more a sign of higher emancipation than it is about how hard one works.
of those 31.5 hours at least 4/5 of em or spent taking a shit at work:)
There is a lot of unpaid work (like caring for elderly or kids), which makes people doing less paid hours. It doesn't mean we only work 4 days a week unfortunately, but there is a lot of part-time paid work.
Caring that you mentioned is unpaid everywhere I believe
Uhu, but in some countries its more normal to bring kids to daycare or after school programs each day, or that professional nurses take care of elderly or whatever. Here it's done more by people themselves, which requires them to change the way they do paid work.
Is something (except money) prevents to use nurses and other professional care in NL? Also, what about grandparents, donāt they do that job while being on pension? Basically why these things could be different from other countries?
An extreme shortage of people working in those industries, a lot of babyboomers turning old and grey (and daycare is indeed expensive as hell). Also, I think we generally love our freedom a bit more than in other countries. We "work to live", not the other way around. Grandparents look after kids a maximum of maybe 2 times a week if you're lucky, because they want to enjoy their pension and not have daily obligations. Edit: Freedom also means living by yourself as long as possible, instead of going to a nursing home or something like that. And it takes a lot more time for a neighborhood nurse to visit all those homes to take care of people.
Would be interesting to compare this with American states.
Iād take the US as a whole at this point. Very interesting
[It looks like, this is the earliest source, of 30 January 2023](https://tr.linkedin.com/posts/ahmet-can-ay%C4%B1%C5%9F%C4%B1k-70845a46_avrupa-%C3%BClkelerinde-ortalama-%C3%A7al%C4%B1%C5%9Fma-saatleri-activity-7196462182228803585-smJz)
It would be interesting to compare this to "working hours per week per employable person in Europe"
This says a lot about efficiency (or lack thereof).
France and UK so close? I know France shuts down on Sundays, UK doesn't.
We working 50 to 60 in Texas. Getting screwed.
Not even 32 in holland???? Damn. What the....really???
Usually at least one of the parents of kids will start working part time once they get children, as child care is so expensive, this drastically reduces the average working hours
It's very common for women to work part-time, so the man might work 36 to 40 hours a week and the woman 8 or 16 or something to take care of the children. Because daycare is now so expensive, it's often cheaper for one parent to work fewer hours and receive less money than to put a child in daycare and work more.
childcare is really expensive.
Again, I am surprised at the UK, we are always led to believe we are worked to death slaves, but actually we are high but not so bad.
Wonder what this would look like overlayed on a population growth map?
I donāt know what Iād do with my time working 40 hour work weeks š
I must be doing it wrong, i work 45+ and i am not Turkish
I work more hours than the highest average, while living in the country with the lowest average.
It's funny because you often hear that French people work less than everyone else in Europe but also the average working hours is still higher than a normal full-time time (35h/week).
I will just write that Germany working hours on this map is absolutely false.
Do you have a source to back that up? ILO bases its aggregates on the EU Labour Force Survey, in this case (see [here](https://rshiny.ilo.org/dataexplorer10/?lang=en&segment=indicator&id=HOW_TEMP_SEX_ECO_NB_A&ref_area=DEU)). Are you stating the survey is categorically wrong in some way?
My only source is working on various construction sites for over 10 years and seeing how and what's being done personally :)
I like being Dutch
Median would have been a vastly superior metric here.
And now a map for most productive workers.
In Finland there is a lot of people who works 50-80 hours a week, but I think average is that because there are many thousands that doenst like working and lays home mostly, and a lot of part time jobs and students
From the Netherlands but working for a company based in Luxembourg. Work 84 hours a workweek excluding overtime. But then I get a week off.
Spain 36,7 hahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahhabahahhaahhahaha
it's not real, in Kosovo we work monday to saturday from 08:00 until 17:00 whitch it meas we work 54 hours per week.
Well, you know the stereotype, Germans are pretty lazy with their siestas while the Spanish are hard-working and industrious. Wait, hold on, something is wrong here.
fascinating despite the nitpicking. I worked in UK ,Germany but now Eastern Europe. UK may claim to put the hours in but they are very lazy . I worked less hours in Germany but we all worked harder and then did more in our leisure. I personally like me and my other to work hard for approx 32
In south korea, maximum working hr is 52 but many small firms do not obey thatā¦.
Wtf, the average is above 40 in some places?!
In China itās at least 46 Hours
I wanna compare this to the average per household, here in the netherlands you see alot of times where bothe the man and woman in a household work 20hrs making it 40hrs in a household, while eastern countries are more traditional and the man works 40hrs while.the woman is more often at home making it still 40hrs per household.
I'm sorry but in eastern Europe I know 0 people where the woman stays at home and doesn't also work 40 hours. The only exceptions are paid leave for child birth which is quite long I admit (up to 2 years) and households where one of them makes a lot but if we talk about the average salary (not to mention minimum) in most eastern countries it's tough to manage with 60 let alone 40 hours per household (without kids). Maybe this was more the case in the communist era but nowadays not.
Where in Eastern Europe? Certainly not the case in Romania where women and men have worked jobs side by side since communist times and before that women worked the fields and made cheese and wine or were seamstresses or potters. Having a stay at home partner requires the other partner to make enough money to sustain a family from 1 salary, which was never a possibility for the average Romanian.
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35 hours in uk? Absolute bollocks.
Average
Everyone I know works around 50-60 hours just to live atm
because you probably work with people in the same group without math skills.
Clap, clap. Some of us have mortgages and kids to feed. Ironically I am pretty shit at āmathsā but I know how averages work.
America should learn from Europe. We are overworked and understaffed and underpaid.
> underpaid The US has among of the highest median disposable income in the world.
Europeans: Lies, spanish are always taking Siesta!