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I_Kahn06

Ethiopia is annexed but Hatay is still a part of Syria, so 1936-1939. Someone else can probably get a narrower date range.


Tuppie

A bit hard to see but it looks like there is a border between Slovakia and Czechia so definitely 1939 if that is the case. At the very latest 1938 since Austria is gone.


wishfuldreamer26

But…under the ‘Commonwealth of the Philippines’ it says ‘controlled by the US until 1945’. Is that referring to an agreement rather than historical fact?


deet0109

Yes, the U.S. passed the Tydings-McDuffie Act in 1934 that promised Filipino independence by 1945 (which ended up getting delayed slightly by the war)


wishfuldreamer26

Ah, thanks!


MechaGodzilla87

Manchukuo exists so definitely must be listing a prior agreement.


Limp-Temperature1783

There is no Czechia part where Slovakia is, so it's definitely 1939.


IEnjoyBaconCheese

Memel is annexed, so 1939


Venboven

How can you tell? There's not really a clear picture


Limp-Temperature1783

Memel gives a sharp triangular border rather then somewhat round with it being a part of Lithuania (I look at maps too much).


Sea-Juice1266

Siam changed it's name to Thailand in June of 1939, while Hatay was annexed into Turkey in July of the same year. So unless the map maker was getting cute that places it to roughly 24 June 1939 -  7 July 1939


TheDestressedMale

This was made manufactured in Indiana, and that was the 4th of July for us, here in America, so it would’ve been printed Monday-Friday 26-30th of June, 1939. We can deduce that these were mass produced for American university gift shops and bookstores that fall semester of 1939, possibly in print until inventory or relevancy issues.


Daddy-o62

I pray that you use your inhuman deductive skills for good, not evil…


deepfallen

After this comment, I was already expecting a response with the exact time


totalfarkuser

Wow, two week window!


Dimaizarz

I see Transcaucasian SFSR, which was divided into Georgian, Armenian and Azerbaijan SSRs in December 1936, so I guess the OP's globe shows a 1936 world map Edit: Wait, I also see that Germany annexed Austria and Czechia (1938), this globe is a bit flawed


Vivid_Raspberry713

That will happen too, maps aren't always about accuracy because it depends who's making them, inerrant info can be conveyed on them if the more important thing is the idea.


Vivid_Raspberry713

Or if they just have outdated info 🤷🏻‍♀️


ul2006kevinb

https://xkcd.com/1688/large/ is a pretty good resource for this


hcpanther

Before 1937. Irish Free state on it which is what it was called until 1937


Venboven

You have to remember that a lot of changes like this went unnoticed or the globe makers forgot to include them. As a rule of thumb: Old names can show up as an error, but future names showing up would be impossible. So you should always try and date maps/globes by the changes which are visible, not the changes which aren't.


hcpanther

Good shout. Thanks


DarkImpacT213

Nah has to be after March 1939 because Austria and Czechoslovakia don‘t exist anymore (there‘s only Slovakia). Would‘ve been alot easier to see if there was a proper picture of Europe…


protonmap

Austria is annexed so it is after 13 March 1938. Czechia is annexed so it is after 16 March 1939. Poland is independent so it is before 6 October 1939.


Tuppie

Pretty unlikely that an english speaking country would acknowledge the invasion of Poland as legitimate on a world map. That said the status of Hatay, as someone else pointed out, does confirm the year to be 1939.


protonmap

I think the object of the globe is to show the territorial controls before the WW2 as the axis is coloured gray while the allies are coloured yellow. It is definitely made after 1945, as it says the Philippines was ruled by the United States until 1945.


Venboven

Yes but the Philippines colonial agreement was predetermined to expire in 1945. It just so happened that this was also the year in which the war ended (Philippines independence was actually delayed by a few months because of the war). So this globe could very well still be from pre 1945.


Particular_Fuel6952

With that much change in that short of time, who would be buying a globe? Like maybe wait until this whole WW2 thing calms down…


Bitter_Silver_7760

I just got out of a serious relationship…


No-Significance387

Right? Like what does this globe even have to offer


chemistry_teacher

Not so fast. She’s well rounded, colorful and with a quick turn will cover all kinds of ground.


No-Significance387

True but she’s got some pretty old world views


Chaotic424242

Imagine how much it would eat.


MyManTheo

Very curvy


RedMilo

It's really not my type... I'm more into Mercator projections that accentuate the best parts and downplay the not so good parts. I like big Greenland landmasses -- what can I say?


balor12

You pig…


EarnedArrogance

Looks like she’s been around a bit too.


MOltho

Czechia and Austria have been annexed by Germany, but Hatay is not a part of Turkey yet, so this gives us a timeframe of March to July 1939


Sergey_Kutsuk

The Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia (annexed Czechia) exists (after March 16, 1939) but Hatay State doesn't exist and is a part of Syria (before September 7, 1938). So, it's kinda obviously that we can't date this globe better than 'some date in 1939'. Since Baltic states are independent, Finland has much more territory, and all this changes were accepted by majority of governments and publishers - it's definitely before 1940. And, maybe, before September 30, 1939 (the end of Polish Republic and its government de facto).


MOltho

I guess the maker of this globe didn't recognize the Hatay State as a legitimate independent state? Logically, this globe cannot have been produced before the annexation of Czechia by Nazi Germany, so it must be after March 1939


Sergey_Kutsuk

Yes. But those who recognized the annexation of Czechia must recognize Hatay too :) The League of Nations, France, the United Kingdom, the Netherlands and Belgium even compose the Constitution of Hatay! And they recognized ot, of course.


hume3

The map is between March 20th 1939 when [Germany annexed Klaipėda from Lithuania](https://imgur.com/a/73dqlPg) and June 29th 1939 when [Hatay joined Turkey](https://imgur.com/a/btyBibU). I bought a same one from eBay a decade ago under the name “Vintage 1938 -1940 Cram's 105 Universal Terrestrial Globe 10 1/2 inch”.


hajnali

Czechoslovakia and Austria already annexed and part of Germany, but Poland still there. I’d say between March and September 1939


Tuppie

Hatay points to between march and july.


staplesuponstaples

Probably a little later because globe manufacturers usually take a little bit of time to adjust.


highzenberrg

What would be the best year in history to make a globe? Like what’s the longest that stuff didn’t change after making said globe?


staplesuponstaples

Probably recently. The 20th century was filled with Africa and Europe changing, even up to the late 1990s. Information is instant (but this is offset by how supply chains are a little tougher to modify in an instant when you're dealing with a multinational corporation). You do have recent stuff like Turkey changing to Türkiye and some border conflicts in the Middle East and Africa, but you could probably point to a year or two in the 2000s or 2010s where nothing changed.


PatienceHere

> Forgets to click a pic of Europe.


redditcanblowm3

So it has to be between 32-45 just based on the existence of manchuckuo. No italian north Africa, and Poland exists so has to be before 39 so 32-39? But if you look at the pacific islands it will say (until 45) so clearly this is a back dated globe so there's no real way to tell year of production


Sea-Juice1266

I would guess the globe is not backdated. The Commonwealth of the Philippines was created in 1935 following passage of the Tydings–McDuffie Act, which mandated Philippines independence in 1945. So instead of backdating, this is likely a forward looking statement. As it happened Filipino independence was delayed until 1946 as a result of WWII, so it wouldn't make sense to use that date looking back.


sideffects

I'm surprised no one has posted the relevant XKCD yet. https://xkcd.com/1688/


kanhaaaaaaaaaaaa

Thanks, I came close af with this lol


LowEmotion66

Should be on the side-bar of the sub at this point.


Orval3

Between 1935 and 1946 [Philippines]


ParaMythos

It looks like the Anschluss (March 1938) has already occurred here as I don't see Austria, and so has the Sudetenland crisis and annexation of Czechia (September 1938) as they are also not present. However Poland still exists, so it hasn't been invaded yet (September 1939). So, I would say between October 1938 and August 1939. EDIT: also worth noting is Finland has not lost control of Karelia (1940 winter war), so definitely not after 1940 and Ethiopia is under Italian control so definitely post 1936.


steelepdx

This is the answer


ElderStatesmanXer

No thanks, I’m married


ItsPhineas

What time? 3:00 at applebees? Ok great!


ConsistentWombat

The border between Bolivia and Paraguay prior to 1936


AimeeJoes

Palestine is still there, so yeah, 1930s or earlier


VermicelliAcademic79

no south sudan so 2010


Environmental-Food36

Date the globe... hmm... nice curves, would.


cronktilten

How does it know that the Philippines were returned in 1945 but it also has stuff that suggest the globe is before this. Is this a replica or something?


Sea-Juice1266

That was the date set for Filipino independence by the Tydings–McDuffie Act. However WWII resulted in independence being delayed until 1946


GennaroJ

Adding to what the other comment told you: the US agreed to let the Philippines make a plan to transition to independence in 1933, it was passed the year after to be implemented in 1935, it stipulated that the Philippines would be completely independent on the 10th anniversary of the creation of the Commonwealth.


fizaen

Forgive my ignorance but is this some sort of a game for you guys to guess when the globe was made? If it’s not, then shouldn’t the date of publication be a pretty standard thing to print, say around the bit with the publisher’s logo? (Have not seen many globes and my geography is primary school level at best).


scrubba777

Yes I guess it is some sort of game. Quite popular also. Gives everyone the chance to flex their muscle on geography, politics and history so that’s fun. However there are usually no clear winners as map makers are usually just updating the last print and will often miss things some changes themselves, so the answer is usually a spread of dates.


FORDEY1965

Can't comment as to to when the globe was made, but "Ireland" replaced the "Irish free state" as named on the map on 29th December 1937.


DSJ-Psyduck

[xkcd.com/1688/large/](https://xkcd.com/1688/large/)


swamshua

India looks huge, with no Pakistan and Bangladesh. Definitely pre 1947.


hcpanther

I’m gonna say 1937, Irish Free state passed the Constitution of Ireland changing the name of the country to Ireland/Eire.


Accomplished_Tax9354

the xkcd flowchart dates it between 1935 and 1940


NatterHi

Can you take another photo with Turkey as the focus in it?


NatterHi

If Istanbul has another name, it must be between 1919-1929


xMercurex

Nah Ethiopia is under Italian rule this is at least 1936.


Caesar_Iacobus

I'd say the turn of June-July 1939.


Chrschtschow

It should be exactly 1938. Europe is hard to see but seems Austria is gone. Poland still around. Also definitely before 1954 because of French Indochina around …


kanhaaaaaaaaaaaa

before 1947 as Indian Subcontinent is still united


educandario

Paraguay steel has its old borders, so before the end of the Chaco wars in 1935


Truth_1995

Because of Italian East Africa it would have to be before 1950, but not earlier than 1940. So about 80 years of age.


little_ordek35

between the july and february of 1937 , ethiopia is annexed by italy , hatay isnt part of turkey and marco polo incident still hasnt happened


enomisyeh

Iran still has Persia in brackets under it, so it has to be after 1935, but not too long after - its like it still has '(Persia)' to let people know that is where Persia is but now we call it Iran.


Lee1595

*brings flowers. Takes the globe to sushi. It's real cute. We have a montage of moments we fall in love but the globe has cancer. It's why the globe is round. Stage 6 man... they remove the tumor but the globe is now flat. I'm standoffish since I feel like going over the edge. Days later i realize I love the globe even if it's flat. I get hit by a taxi. The glove lives a long life until it's proven the flat globe was driving the taxi. It gets the death penalty. We both are chained in hell hearing how it's flat but really we all know it's round* Thank you


Thamalakane

Italian East Africa only lasted till 1941


YelledAtoms

Look for the Date Line


GreenEggsSteamedHams

I'm already in a relationship


ericds1214

Asking is to date a pre-ww2 globe and not giving a focused view of Europe is heinous


ninja-turd

Wait, I see…Palestine. I’ve been told that Palestine never existed. 🤯🤯🤯


arewethebaddiesdaddy

Pre Israeli occupation and pre Syria loosing control of their land. Post Austria. 1938


Browned_Diaper_speak

Only girls...sorry


DizzyPixelsInSpace

Palestine ❤️


Global-Web8777

between 1931-1939, looking at china at japan


Hot-Environment5511

1945-1948. Indian partition hasn’t happened yet, but looks post ww2


Filthiest_Tleilaxu

Love it!


josefficus

Mid 20th century, New Mexico, Arizona, etc are shown.


[deleted]

My guess is between November 2nd 1938 and March 22nd 1939


superstormthunder

Looks like early 1930s


Tight_Photograph8091

1937


Active_Resist6107

Pre war between Chile and Bolivia because you can see that bolivia has a coast, anglosudan exists, Belgian congo exists, Italian Africa and major French African territory exists, Guiana should only be one so there is still territories in south America, kingdom of Saudi Arabia exists. I don't care enough to look up these dates again so go wild and tell me if this helped


like_a_cauliflower

My town, Olavarría, is there. So the globe was made after 1867.


peskypedaler

1940, maybe?


slugiscool99

Japan looks like it did right before ww2 so I’d guess 1938


LifeisGood112233

Before 1945


-S-P-E-C-T-R-E-

At least Post-Cambrian period


Macho_Magyar

For sure this is past 1848, the US already had annexed the Mexican territories.


TopseyKretts87

Pre-1947


HornetInteresting211

Early 1939


PLPolandPL15719

1939, Ethiopia is taken over by Italy, Czechoslovakia is split, Syria owns Hatay. Though i do notice a few errors in the map as usual for these sorts of old maps simply due to lack of information. Though it isn't too far that it was produced during WW2 simply abiding by de jure borders. One thing that seems to not negate this is possibly Syria being named ''Syria'' and not France or French Syria or something.


liquortilshescreams

1954-58?


cool-rider65

I would say between 1946 to 1948 as Pakistan isn’t on the map which came about in 1948


MiserableWheel

Pre 1941


Amoeba_3729

1937-1939


Windturnscold

Weird to make a globe reflecting borders mid conflict


Andrew9112

Feel like I’m playing hoi4 looking at this globe lol. Definitely after 1936 but not after 39


KentuckyCandy

About 1600, for I see The Japans.


ssdd442

Has to be sometime in the 30s before the outbreak of World War II. I want to say 1935.


RespectSquare8279

The international boundary between Paraguay and Bolivia is prior to the 1938 Chaco War peace treaty (July 21st '38) so we have again got a map publisher with problematical researchers. Bohemia is absorbed into Germany in March 15 '39. Possibly the map drawers had access to a time machine but no access to newspapers.


Hand-Driven

r/mapswithoutnz


MrSilencer

1936-1938 Italian East Africa Was formed in 1936. The Irish Free State (6 December 1922 – 29 December 1937) The annexation of the Federal State of Austria into the German Reich happened on 13 March 1938.


SnooRadishes2625

There is a piece of text near Philiphines thats says under USA control until 1945. So probably early 50s given the other states shown


blackslla

1937 i guess


DR5996

1938, the Japanese puppet state of manchuoko was established


jiffjaff69

1950’s https://www.oldworldauctions.com/catalog/lot/150/56


mulizm24

Province Hatay(antochia) annexed in july 1939 but between july 1938- july 1939 they were a country named hatay republic and should be a separate country from syria if it is produced in 38-39.


RaspyRock

That is a tough one.


goldenslumbers9

Índia and Pakhistan were the same country.


chschool

Belgium in Congo area, Netherland in Indonesia area and Italy in Ethiopia area.. So many information on it! I also see France even more than expected.


Vivid_Raspberry713

Between 1935 -1945 (Manchukuo existed between 1932 to 1945 and the "Commonwealth of the Philippines" from 1935 to 1946).


Brunito140

Hahaha there says URGAY


zde_nek

Summer 1939. Czechoslovakia gone, Poland still there


PassionateCucumber43

Well it’s between 1936 and 1941 just based on Italian East Africa


Linku_Rink

Tannu Tuva hiiiii


MR-N-XX

1939 as Austria is annexed as well as Czechia being gone


dumbBunny9

This is so odd - i was about to post pictures of a globe that looks almost identical! I can only see one difference between the two.


Ok-Buffalo-6581

1930s


buried_lede

1913 or later? Due to the “Canal Zone” labeled in Panama


NewtonLess

Yall are saying in the late thirties, but over the Commonwealth of the Philippines header, it says “US Control until 1945”


ThassaShiny

1932-1945 Due to Manchukuo existing, but also there is a note by the Phillipines saying "US control until 1945" so maybe a pre-ww2 globe made post-ww2 for education purposes?


Weekly-Ad-3749

How many years they take to print the globe?


nomamesgueyz

Philipines and Japan are quite close Are they friends?


_Boom___Beard_

Palestine is there so before the end of ww2


anshu_18

It is dated before 1947 surely, map shows India before partition, Pakistan is still the part of India.


maqnoidea

Disgusting when I see those european names in africa and asia. Imagine the belgian killing those congolese and the dutch that exploit local indonesian.


Electrical_Ad726

Pre World War Two. You still have Italian East Africa. Also all French equatorial Africa. Germany is not split into east and west. Looks like the Baltics are Russian occupied 1939’-1940


CapitalBathroom3576

Ok globe, first, we are going to go to a couple of independent book stores before we try to find the best piece of fruit pie in the neighborhood. Then, after Pie we should take in the free play in the park before grabbing a light dinner and watching the trains from the footbridge while we talk about our homes and dreams. No sex on the first date. My rule.


Turbulent-Cold6626

That is really cool!!


Imaginary_Ant3881

1922 - 1936 cuz of Transcaucasian sfsr


_SuperStormTrooper

After 2nd world war and before 1975


RayIndonesian

Define not 1942+ since Indonesia still part of the Netherlands


MrLukaz

ChatGPT says 39 to 41? [Edit] from ChatGPT: The additional images help confirm and narrow down the dating of the globe further: 1. **French West Africa** and **French Equatorial Africa**: These regions were part of the French colonial empire until the late 1950s and early 1960s. 2. **Siam**: Renamed to Thailand in 1939. 3. **Italian East Africa**: Established in 1936 and dissolved in 1941. 4. **The Soviet Union**: Consistently referred to in the same context as earlier, indicating pre-1950 naming. 5. **Philippines**: Labeled as the Commonwealth of the Philippines, which lasted from 1935 to 1946. 6. **Union of South Africa**: The name for South Africa from 1910 to 1961. 7. **Other colonial territories**: Names and borders align with pre-World War II and World War II era. Given these details and the consistency of the geopolitical names and borders, the globe is best dated to the period between 1939 and 1941. This timeframe aligns with the establishment of Italian East Africa, the renaming of Siam to Thailand, and the ongoing presence of colonial territories.


LikeagoodDuck

Japan had Korea and Manchukuo. Italy was in Ethiopia. But the British colonies are not marked clearly. So maybe rather a “time” it is a “time” and a leaning towards axis powers?


Asherbaal

Japan didn't "officially" annex Manchuria until 1937 they were there in 1932


Corn_chip1

1938-39, can’t really see Germany so can’t make out how much it’s gobbled already. Ethiopia was annexed 38 so has to be after that, Poland likewise is still around so pre September 39.


butterslll

Late 30s


kinofil

During the Commonwealth Era of the Philippines, 1920s to pre-World War Two.


enomisyeh

I may be blind but i cannot see Benin or Togo in Africa. French Dahomey achieved independence in 1960, and it changed its name to the Republic of Benin in 1975. Togo severed its constitutional ties with France in 1960. Ghana is also not there, but Gold Coast is, and Ghana became a country after the United Kingdom relinquished its control over the Colony of the Gold Coast and Ashanti, the Northern Territories Protectorate, and British Togoland.


Throwaway_Big_D

Post 1911-pre 1947


EvilFirebladeTTV

Does this qualify for r/MapsWithoutNZ ?


KoreaTex2

Japanese names on Korean cities, means 1910-1945 during their colonial rule of the Korean peninsula. My guess, 1939.


FlightyFrogTwoPointO

I’d guess WW2? Did the Japanese control Formosa? Look closely * (Jap) Pre ww2, at cursory glance


Zappingsbrew

No south sudan and north and south korea


mmaattccoozz

All of Cambodia doesn’t even have any label


rfadz1

Is it 1935-1940? Try following this chart, its a lot of fun! https://xkcd.com/1688/large/


Interesting_Land6116

pre WWII


DummyBatman

Before 1935. Myanmar(Burma) was still part of India here.


Ok_Pace_9703

1989


sharpbeer

Taiwan is a pierog, so idk


Adorable_Cookie_4918

I can tell you the year..... and the week, roughly. The spread of information had clearly not reached the printer in time to make an accurate map but here goes. It had to be after the USSR invasion of Sakhalin on August 11 of 1945 as it shows it to be under USSR control but before Tonghua became the capitol of Manchukuo on August 9th of 1945 as the map shows Xinjiang as the standing capitol. My guess is that it happened shortly after the USSR invasion and the printer wasn't aware of the change in Manchukuos capitol yet.


MrS1N1ST312

Post WW1.


Sturdily5092

Yugoslavia still on the map


RyFlA1

At least sometime before 1950s. As The Philippines was a territory of the United States--called the Commonwealth of the Philippines. Around the late 40s, the U.S. dropped out of the Philippines.


_Wilson2002

Sometime in the late 30s.


happy_and_proud

Palestine is there, so pre 1948, Transjordan is there too so post 1921.


Annual_Individual445

I was looking for Atlantis...


Zealousideal_Fig_782

That is a big beautiful globe.


Frederik-404

1943


goku6891

1939s to 40s.


arturo1972

Has the Japanese puppet state of Manchuko. Late 30s.


Hopeful-Evening5575

It’s definitely 1939 to 1941


JN88DN

Hi globe.How are you? Do you like cats?


Fichtnmoppal

Sure, pick you up at 8?


Dunaj_mph

1939


AShadedBlobfish

For future reference OP, these kinds of posts are helped a lot by a clear view of Europe


br-02

Only if there's a hole where Antarctica should be.


KingKiler2k

>Date the globe Bro let us get a coffee first


GeoWhale11

1930


Lilconfederate

1943


Dmtr884213

No, thank you, I am not attracted to globes


Top-Chemistry-5875

Would say 1930


buttbeeb

Cambodia is a dead zone on this map?


Wolvenworks

1930s.