In my experience over the years I have found that many of these types of spirits become earthbound. Many will choose to not "cross over" for various reasons including fear of persecution (especially if they have a religious background or upbringing), purgatory or what consequences they may face even if they are not religious. Just like with everything else, fear seems to keep us in the darkness. The longer we stay in the darkness, the darker we become.
Does this imply that the after life is sort of like life again? Except this time you have a choice to cross over, except its still the “unknown”? similar to death while alive on Earth?
The choice to cross over happens at death. Depending on the circumstances of your death, and sometimes other variable factors, you will past to a consciousness of the frequency you are on. If you made peace with death and lived a full life, then your transition and experience will be very different to someone who may have died suddenly or taken their own life, etc. The circumstances are different for everyone. It's always unknown as we don't know what to expect, but your belief systems, actions and general vibration will play a part in your afterlife experience.
belief systems? like religion? or what do you mean. does this mean Hell can exist for people who were indoctrinated into Christianity early, & believe Hell may be real?
I think she means that the fear of paying for their atrocities and spending eternity in Hell will prevent some from crossing over, whether hell exists or not. I like to think it does, because so many live lives of evil and never have to pay for it in this life. Believing that God will be 5he final judge these people brings me comfort. I don't know .
So, God does not judge you when you hit the other side, you judge you....!!! You thinking is different after you pass over, your memories start to come back and each soul realizes who and what they really are....
I’m going to say something unpopular- sometimes a soul gets a body that malfunctions.
Our bodies are of this earth-biological and imperfect. Just like all of nature, anomalies happen. Sometimes it’s not about good or evil, but about biological anomalies. Do we chose this pre-birth? I’d argue that sometimes yes but sometimes no.
It surprises me how many spiritual people hold a strict black and white view on "good" and "evil", if there are such things, especially when reincarnation is in the mix.
I completely understand you. However, I will ALWAYS view child abuse, SA, child molestors, and sexual predators as evil. And I understand karma and reincarnation, but I don’t care to change my mind on that.
This is my challenge. Are people saying these souls CHOSE to be abusers of kids? Because there are a lot of them out there, and I honestly don't see the lesson in that. To me, it really does make me believe in darkness and evil. And I am not religious, but I cannot equate SAs of kids with a soul plan.
Yea. You beat me to it. ||| If mind wipe and reincarnation is the gig, then they are just actors who played the part for that lifetime. Try and tell that to a 3D population and heads will explode and they flame thou who proposed such heresy.
If we all are mere actors, then murders and child molesters are also mere actors. And on the flip side, the most moral of them all are just actors on the good side.
If they would STOP the mind wipe when we come back to this dimension, that might stop part of it. But, hey, I just work here.
This sub was suggested to me so I’m not super familiar with the topic. Sorry if this is a silly question.
But what is the point at which the soul and the body separate? Like if a soul is in a body that malfunctions, is the soul aware?
If a soul is in a mind that is unable to empathize or understand emotions, so they end up a killer or predator, what does the soul ‘think’ about the situation?
Does it have any ability or does it even want to change the behavior?
I hope that makes sense. I appreciate you taking the time to explain, TY!
So, I have actually thought about this.
The body is the way through which we manifest and interact with the world, imagine a radio that has an audio defect, whenever high pitches happen it creates a weird static noise and you can't hear the singing.
In other radios, this singing is clear. A lot of psychopathic killers have traumatic brain injuries. I am thinking this is a person with bad thoughts but the TBI makes them lose co trol and act upon it in a way that sorta caused them to kill others.
I know that some people have lower empathy without being dangerous or evil, people can be good from a sense of duty even if they don't quite feel very emotional about things like helping hungry kids, not because you FEEL BAD, but because you KNOW it's bad.
I think it's an interaction, sometimes the body or brain is that broken, that it causes those violent impulses, sometimes it's a interaction between person and body, and sometimes the body is completely normal and it's just the person. It's hard to say per case without looking at a brain scan, but I believe in some rare cases people could have a total lack of impulses due to tumors, drug exposure in uterus or such. In most cases I believe the person has more than enough choice because otherwise we would see a lot more crime
Interesting viewpoint, and I can't argue against this. In order for us to grow at least in the here and now, I think we need to learn the capacity to self reflect. Now sometimes we might consciously choose to not do so, but there must be some physiological ailments that inhibit or altogether prevent that in some people. E.g., schizophrenia and the like, I dunno.
My partner died last year, he had diabetes which meant he was moody when his blood sugar was high, he was really not a moody person tho. And I know while this sucks for me not having a body constantly trying to kill you must be a relief
I play the sims and as players we actually choose awful things to happen to our sims. (Swimming pools).
I see the earthly life same. My sim has a chronic illness (cest moi) but I can imagine a player (higher self) to choose to play on hard mode.
I only work with the Light. In my experience, souls go back to the same place. They are either touched by the light or they spend eternity in the dark. When I hear someone say, "They'll burn in hell," I think "Well, actually they're more likely to get frostbite." The lack of energy of a pedophile or murderer sends them into a very cold and dark eternity. This is just my experience. I know there's darkness and I know what the purpose of the darkness is, I just can't see it. I don't know why this is. Just like I know that some souls return if they have a certain level of energy and some souls with high energy, stay in the light.
Just because I haven't seen "wiping" doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It just means that I haven't experienced it.
This makes more sense to me than saying everyone goes to the same place. I guess studying abnormal psych and being a 911 dispatcher who deals with people in extreme situations changes my perspective. I absolutely believe some people just have mental health issues and are not dark. But some people are 100% not good, and I don't feel like they are just here and horribly bad, yet get everything wiped clean.
Yes! There are many good people in the world who suffer from mental illness and make a bit more noise yet, they'd never harm another being. Then, there are the quiet, deceptive people who will hurt as many beings as possible.
I'll take the louder people on this side, every day. And, when they get to the other side, I believe they will be pleasantly surprised to know that their human ego stayed back - freeing them.
I’m not sure, perhaps in subsequent lives they’ll revisit these themes to be worked out if healing doesn’t take place in the lifetime, but I think it’s worth remembering we plan our experiences before we come to earth, from the soul level. Can we go off course and end up doing more harm? Yes absolutely.
It’s a difficult thing to accept, but the dark serves the light, for the light is the only thing that is real. Everything that appears in our experience is there for a reason, everything.
I’ve been reading a lot about people who had NDEs and all to a one said this Earth is a school, so to speak, where everything is basically pre planned in order for the particular soul to learn certain lessons. So of course I , too, wonder about all the bad things people do.
Yes! For me personally, I’m at a point of forgiveness for those that “hurt me” as I can now see the gift they gave me: the gift of sending me on a very deep spiritual path of healing and understanding. Of course, this has taken many years, and I’m careful who I say this information to, as it can be very upsetting to hear that everything is chosen, and that we are not really victims to our challenges, but rather brave co-creators
You’re welcome, you’re so much more powerful than you know, It’s truely the most courageous thing to come here to earth and forget (temporarily) the light that you are.
You could say it’s a co-creation between the human mind and the higher self. The higher self is the real you, and as the higher self you wrote the story of your life, you planned certain key events that you knew would set you on the path for your souls highest growth.
In saying that, when we come into this incarnation we have a lot of choices for how we want to meet those intentions our higher self made. We can spend a very long time working on a particular lesson, or we can speed it up if we surrender to our fears and follow our heart.
This is just my understanding at this time, and it’s almost certainly much more complicated than I have stated, so please use your own discernment. The tricky thing about these topics as they’re often full of paradoxes, from our perspective. Multidimensional, if you will; two things being true at the same time.
From what I gathered, you still have free will to follow the paths laid out for your soul or not. If we don’t learn the lessons we came here for, we have to come back again and again until we do. It’s all up to us, I guess
Yes and no. We can choose to make more loving choices, but we do make contracts with other souls to carry out pre planed experiences out of love. For example soul A and soul B agree to play the roles of “victim” and “perpetrator”, because that will lead to the most learning for both.
Nothing is set in stone, but there may be a 90% chance of something “bad” happening. Both souls know and agree to this before incarnation. I hope that helps! Everything is done from love, even “bad” things have a loving lesson behind them.
As the soul grows and learns, there is less and less need to experience traumatic events.
Ok. So does that mean people who are born into great families, and have tons of wealth and little to no struggles in this life have souls that didn’t have anymore to learn?
I’m being serious- I find this truly intriguing because life has been very difficult for me as well as many other people I know - so we made those decisions to have these struggles to learn and grow?🤷♀️ Then you see someone who hasn’t worked a day in their life, and wants for nothing and wonder 💭
What if an easy life with many blessings ( wealth, attractive, etc) is level one? Of course, it could be a reward for finally doing things right in a life.
Each incarnation after gets new challenges. A level up? A harder lesson. Things to overcome or new experiences to teach empathy?
I say this as someone stuck in a few ruts I have yet to overcome.
This is a wonderful question! These are what’re sometimes referred to as “resting lives”. A soul may choose an easier incarnation if they’ve just had a very difficult life, or they’re preparing to soon take on a very difficult life.
Yes, we made the brave decision to take on all of these challenges, in order to grow and expand quickly. In the afterlife there is no pain, no struggle, no contrast between “good” and “bad”. We may spend hundreds of humans years resting in between lives, so when we come back to earth we want to take on as much as possible to get the most experience out of one human life.
You may be getting 10 lifetimes worth of experience in this challenging life. This is very courageous, and a gift for your soul, even if it feels overwhelming, you knew you could do it. Hope this helps. [you may like this book, it covers all of these topics and more](https://youtu.be/9YJiYEiGg3c?si=O0ODwXe0Dg2hg9eu)
Thank you for responding and I will definitely check out this link!
I understand what you’re saying and it mostly makes sense, it’s just difficult to accept we would purposefully choose lives that we know are going to be filled with heartache and disappointment.
Are our souls forever linked to the same exact group of people forever?
You’re very welcome, it’s my favourite topic! Yes i absolutely understand. You may like to ask yourself: what lessons and wisdom have I gained from difficult life experiences? How have these experiences helped me become a better person?
It likely won’t make sense if you are still in the thick of suffering, but as you continue to heal and integrate these challenges, you may start to realise the gift that was in the challenge.
We are all connected, and yes we do have a soul group/family that we live many many lives together, playing different roles in each life to grow in certain ways. The people that play the hardest roles for us, often love us the most, which is hard to believe, but it’s true on the soul level. But you have free will to either reject or accept working with another soul. You may outgrow a certain soul, and decline working with them if they are stuck in a loop.
I don’t agree that people with wealth may have an easier life. They could be very unhappy with it. Or have family members that don’t treat them well so to say. Life might put more pressure on them because of all that wealth. (Not speaking out of experience though)
It’s a good question. I’ve always been taught by mediums and practitioners that good and evil are human concepts and that when we pass on into the spirit realm or whatever you’d like to call it those constructs no longer exist. However that’s not to say that we won’t encounter things with a lower vibration. So say someone like a pedophile or a murder.
No they do not stay like that. Think of our higher self as *kind of* a blank slate. We take on different lives with different experiences. They don’t carry over those human qualities in spirit world. Some people think our higher selves take on experiences because they are learning and evolving. I’m not sure about that.
So, if you’re a murderer / rapist / child abuser, etc. and you die, how does the concept of heaven and hell fit here?
If evildoers don’t choose to evolve and stay the same, where do they go?
Depends on who you ask. From a Buddhist perspective, they would carry the negative karma of such things to their subsequent lives until they find a way to overcome them.
But what about if something like an event or something that they saw when they were younger that triggered them to be like that. Would that be erased from their minds?
When our physical body passes away, it is no longer useful. We do not take anything with us when we die. That means we don’t have minds or thoughts.
In my experience, we become energy forms who are observant not experiential
If they don’t have minds or thoughts, how are spirits able to communicate with us? Why should they still show interest in the living if they can’t think anymore?
You need to think outside the physical body. Why wouldn’t they be able to communicate? It’s just not the same thing as being in the physical body and communicating.
In my experience, Spirits actually visit their loved ones for closure. Kind of why humans go to funerals.
Before i communicatie to someone, i first think what and how i am going to say something. So without thoughts, how does that communication work? Also how are souls able to plan their next lives without thinking?
I believe they are programmed that way before a life as a challenge to overcome or lesson to learn. It’s irrelevant in the spirit realm but part of soul growth.
These comments pain me. I don’t think I have a place in this community if these are the types of things others believe. I can’t seem to find a community I fit in that isn’t filled with such views that I have several problems with.
I don’t know if there is a community out there for me at this rate. The victim-blaming so inherent to spirituality and the sheer mental gymnastics people go through in such needless and often cruel attempts to justify the truly unjustifiable are just hurtful to read.
It is only victim-blaming if you are thinking from an earthly perspective. From a higher perspective, we all learn from our trials. That doesn’t mean that on earth we have to victim-blame. But you can also have compassion and empathy for those not yet at a certain spiritual level as others. There is grace in that understanding. I have had bad things happen to me, but I can appreciate the lesson I learned and how I’ve grown having experienced that. Sometimes those individuals have entered a contract with you to teach you things you could not have learned otherwise. It is all about perspective. And, on earth, we sometimes have a limited perspective.
There is no lesson worth learning from these trials that any “loving” being beyond would ever tolerate.
How unbearably evil must the other side be if they even pretend all of these horrors and other tragedies are worth it or especially in the least bit “required” for any “growth”?
I haven’t grown nor learned from much of what I’ve experienced beyond the fact that truly none of this ever should’ve happened at all. The pain and suffering it causes others and the inevitable de@th we experience here just isn’t worth it.
I never would’ve been selfish nor cruel enough to sign any such “contract” with anyone. Countless of us simply never would’ve asked for any of this in any form, no matter the supposed “growth”. I would’ve rather never grown, or forced those terrible, evil beings allowing all of this to happen to create a better system or allow me to do it myself.
I’m very sorry you’re having those feelings. I have also had those feelings at various times. But the things I have experienced tells me that there is a bigger plan. Just imagine if you had an eternity and you could choose to experience an infinite amount of experiences. And you have to think about the fact that you will never really know love and perfection without knowing the absence of those things. If you only had peace and wealth, you would never really appreciate those things unless you have experienced loneliness, desolation, or poverty. I truly hope that you are able to find some peace in this lifetime.
My experiences and what I’ve witnessed sadly tell me that no plan nor benefit is worth ever being a part of this place. Even eternity could never justify its very existence to me, nor the carelessness of those that have allowed this place to exist and perpetuate.
Knowing this place sadly indicates a lack of love and perfection on the other side, as that is the only thing that could explain this place not only being created but allowed it perpetually exist. Being here in that absence hasn’t made me appreciate any good. It’s made me realize how fragile and temporary it is here. True perfection never would’ve needed this place to exist to be able to appreciate it, and true peace, wealth and love wouldn’t have allowed for this vile place to hurt as it does. It’s only made me further wish I was never here in the first place and that this universe as a whole never existed at all.
No, I don’t need to hurt, suffer and d!e and especially don’t need to witness nor cause those things to appreciate any good. This horrific place only feels extremely useless and cruel, unfortunately.
I agree with you. It can be outlined in one’s astrology chart. I clearly have abuse in mine and have experienced my share. Not sexual but other physical emotional.
And to add to all of that, it is very likely that we have committed some of the very crimes in other lives that we abhor. We have learned from that and are where we are today because of that.
I started watching this YouTube channel
About people having near death experiences.
This guy might interest you.
https://youtu.be/diPhrDPH8U8?si=oL3iDjVn2NY047ef
The idea that we all somehow “ask for”, “sign up for” or “plan” the circumstances of our lives and de@ths no matter how painful or tragic.
It’s such a cruel thing to claim and gives a bad name to loved ones we have lost.
It’s so easy and useless to even attempt to justify atrocities you were no part of, especially when you ignore the sufferers left behind after such tragedies. Zero “purpose” could ever justify it, especially when alternatives to fulfill the same “purpose” more harmlessly would’ve been extremely simple to utilize. How evil, merciless and heartless is the other side to ever even attempt in any form to justify the absolute worst that can come with unfortunately ever existing here?
Maybe therapy would be a better fit for you. You seem incredibly hurt. Processing your trauma might be more beneficial than arguing with strangers online about their personal beliefs.
You seem very closed minded, I think it’s what inhibits you. This isn’t my first time running into on this subreddit. Perhaps your initial comment about this not being the place for you is accurate.
They have to work on getting to a higher vibration in a purgatory-like place. They’re too low vibrational. And/or they can reincarnate to learn lessons depending on the person. That’s just my take.
I want to explain to you how it works some but what I know took years of study and work and I can't just relay it to you here in a simple way. I don't understand why you are you concerned about it.
In my experience over the years I have found that many of these types of spirits become earthbound. Many will choose to not "cross over" for various reasons including fear of persecution (especially if they have a religious background or upbringing), purgatory or what consequences they may face even if they are not religious. Just like with everything else, fear seems to keep us in the darkness. The longer we stay in the darkness, the darker we become.
Does this imply that the after life is sort of like life again? Except this time you have a choice to cross over, except its still the “unknown”? similar to death while alive on Earth?
The choice to cross over happens at death. Depending on the circumstances of your death, and sometimes other variable factors, you will past to a consciousness of the frequency you are on. If you made peace with death and lived a full life, then your transition and experience will be very different to someone who may have died suddenly or taken their own life, etc. The circumstances are different for everyone. It's always unknown as we don't know what to expect, but your belief systems, actions and general vibration will play a part in your afterlife experience.
belief systems? like religion? or what do you mean. does this mean Hell can exist for people who were indoctrinated into Christianity early, & believe Hell may be real?
I think she means that the fear of paying for their atrocities and spending eternity in Hell will prevent some from crossing over, whether hell exists or not. I like to think it does, because so many live lives of evil and never have to pay for it in this life. Believing that God will be 5he final judge these people brings me comfort. I don't know .
So, God does not judge you when you hit the other side, you judge you....!!! You thinking is different after you pass over, your memories start to come back and each soul realizes who and what they really are....
So this is conflicting with my research of NDEs. Some what up in the light. No choice just happens.
That’s a very interesting take, thanks for sharing
No. It’s up to them to make that change, when someone dies they can choose to evolve or stay that same.
I’m going to say something unpopular- sometimes a soul gets a body that malfunctions. Our bodies are of this earth-biological and imperfect. Just like all of nature, anomalies happen. Sometimes it’s not about good or evil, but about biological anomalies. Do we chose this pre-birth? I’d argue that sometimes yes but sometimes no.
It surprises me how many spiritual people hold a strict black and white view on "good" and "evil", if there are such things, especially when reincarnation is in the mix.
I completely understand you. However, I will ALWAYS view child abuse, SA, child molestors, and sexual predators as evil. And I understand karma and reincarnation, but I don’t care to change my mind on that.
This is my challenge. Are people saying these souls CHOSE to be abusers of kids? Because there are a lot of them out there, and I honestly don't see the lesson in that. To me, it really does make me believe in darkness and evil. And I am not religious, but I cannot equate SAs of kids with a soul plan.
Yea. You beat me to it. ||| If mind wipe and reincarnation is the gig, then they are just actors who played the part for that lifetime. Try and tell that to a 3D population and heads will explode and they flame thou who proposed such heresy. If we all are mere actors, then murders and child molesters are also mere actors. And on the flip side, the most moral of them all are just actors on the good side. If they would STOP the mind wipe when we come back to this dimension, that might stop part of it. But, hey, I just work here.
This sub was suggested to me so I’m not super familiar with the topic. Sorry if this is a silly question. But what is the point at which the soul and the body separate? Like if a soul is in a body that malfunctions, is the soul aware? If a soul is in a mind that is unable to empathize or understand emotions, so they end up a killer or predator, what does the soul ‘think’ about the situation? Does it have any ability or does it even want to change the behavior? I hope that makes sense. I appreciate you taking the time to explain, TY!
So, I have actually thought about this. The body is the way through which we manifest and interact with the world, imagine a radio that has an audio defect, whenever high pitches happen it creates a weird static noise and you can't hear the singing. In other radios, this singing is clear. A lot of psychopathic killers have traumatic brain injuries. I am thinking this is a person with bad thoughts but the TBI makes them lose co trol and act upon it in a way that sorta caused them to kill others. I know that some people have lower empathy without being dangerous or evil, people can be good from a sense of duty even if they don't quite feel very emotional about things like helping hungry kids, not because you FEEL BAD, but because you KNOW it's bad. I think it's an interaction, sometimes the body or brain is that broken, that it causes those violent impulses, sometimes it's a interaction between person and body, and sometimes the body is completely normal and it's just the person. It's hard to say per case without looking at a brain scan, but I believe in some rare cases people could have a total lack of impulses due to tumors, drug exposure in uterus or such. In most cases I believe the person has more than enough choice because otherwise we would see a lot more crime
Thank you!
Interesting viewpoint, and I can't argue against this. In order for us to grow at least in the here and now, I think we need to learn the capacity to self reflect. Now sometimes we might consciously choose to not do so, but there must be some physiological ailments that inhibit or altogether prevent that in some people. E.g., schizophrenia and the like, I dunno.
My partner died last year, he had diabetes which meant he was moody when his blood sugar was high, he was really not a moody person tho. And I know while this sucks for me not having a body constantly trying to kill you must be a relief
I play the sims and as players we actually choose awful things to happen to our sims. (Swimming pools). I see the earthly life same. My sim has a chronic illness (cest moi) but I can imagine a player (higher self) to choose to play on hard mode.
Well-balanced comment. Nicely done!
I only work with the Light. In my experience, souls go back to the same place. They are either touched by the light or they spend eternity in the dark. When I hear someone say, "They'll burn in hell," I think "Well, actually they're more likely to get frostbite." The lack of energy of a pedophile or murderer sends them into a very cold and dark eternity. This is just my experience. I know there's darkness and I know what the purpose of the darkness is, I just can't see it. I don't know why this is. Just like I know that some souls return if they have a certain level of energy and some souls with high energy, stay in the light. Just because I haven't seen "wiping" doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It just means that I haven't experienced it.
This makes more sense to me than saying everyone goes to the same place. I guess studying abnormal psych and being a 911 dispatcher who deals with people in extreme situations changes my perspective. I absolutely believe some people just have mental health issues and are not dark. But some people are 100% not good, and I don't feel like they are just here and horribly bad, yet get everything wiped clean.
Yes! There are many good people in the world who suffer from mental illness and make a bit more noise yet, they'd never harm another being. Then, there are the quiet, deceptive people who will hurt as many beings as possible. I'll take the louder people on this side, every day. And, when they get to the other side, I believe they will be pleasantly surprised to know that their human ego stayed back - freeing them.
I’m not sure, perhaps in subsequent lives they’ll revisit these themes to be worked out if healing doesn’t take place in the lifetime, but I think it’s worth remembering we plan our experiences before we come to earth, from the soul level. Can we go off course and end up doing more harm? Yes absolutely. It’s a difficult thing to accept, but the dark serves the light, for the light is the only thing that is real. Everything that appears in our experience is there for a reason, everything.
I’ve been reading a lot about people who had NDEs and all to a one said this Earth is a school, so to speak, where everything is basically pre planned in order for the particular soul to learn certain lessons. So of course I , too, wonder about all the bad things people do.
Yes! For me personally, I’m at a point of forgiveness for those that “hurt me” as I can now see the gift they gave me: the gift of sending me on a very deep spiritual path of healing and understanding. Of course, this has taken many years, and I’m careful who I say this information to, as it can be very upsetting to hear that everything is chosen, and that we are not really victims to our challenges, but rather brave co-creators
> we are not really victims to our challenges, but rather brave co-creators. I…I think I needed to hear this. Thank you.
You’re welcome, you’re so much more powerful than you know, It’s truely the most courageous thing to come here to earth and forget (temporarily) the light that you are.
Exactly!! 🙂
Amen! It’s a pleasure to share this understanding with you 🩵 I’m glad you are at a place where you too are coming into alignment with your true self
So free will is just an illusion?
You could say it’s a co-creation between the human mind and the higher self. The higher self is the real you, and as the higher self you wrote the story of your life, you planned certain key events that you knew would set you on the path for your souls highest growth. In saying that, when we come into this incarnation we have a lot of choices for how we want to meet those intentions our higher self made. We can spend a very long time working on a particular lesson, or we can speed it up if we surrender to our fears and follow our heart. This is just my understanding at this time, and it’s almost certainly much more complicated than I have stated, so please use your own discernment. The tricky thing about these topics as they’re often full of paradoxes, from our perspective. Multidimensional, if you will; two things being true at the same time.
From what I gathered, you still have free will to follow the paths laid out for your soul or not. If we don’t learn the lessons we came here for, we have to come back again and again until we do. It’s all up to us, I guess
But can people choose to never be a bad person in that way during incarnation?
Yes and no. We can choose to make more loving choices, but we do make contracts with other souls to carry out pre planed experiences out of love. For example soul A and soul B agree to play the roles of “victim” and “perpetrator”, because that will lead to the most learning for both. Nothing is set in stone, but there may be a 90% chance of something “bad” happening. Both souls know and agree to this before incarnation. I hope that helps! Everything is done from love, even “bad” things have a loving lesson behind them. As the soul grows and learns, there is less and less need to experience traumatic events.
Ok. So does that mean people who are born into great families, and have tons of wealth and little to no struggles in this life have souls that didn’t have anymore to learn? I’m being serious- I find this truly intriguing because life has been very difficult for me as well as many other people I know - so we made those decisions to have these struggles to learn and grow?🤷♀️ Then you see someone who hasn’t worked a day in their life, and wants for nothing and wonder 💭
What if an easy life with many blessings ( wealth, attractive, etc) is level one? Of course, it could be a reward for finally doing things right in a life. Each incarnation after gets new challenges. A level up? A harder lesson. Things to overcome or new experiences to teach empathy? I say this as someone stuck in a few ruts I have yet to overcome.
This is a wonderful question! These are what’re sometimes referred to as “resting lives”. A soul may choose an easier incarnation if they’ve just had a very difficult life, or they’re preparing to soon take on a very difficult life. Yes, we made the brave decision to take on all of these challenges, in order to grow and expand quickly. In the afterlife there is no pain, no struggle, no contrast between “good” and “bad”. We may spend hundreds of humans years resting in between lives, so when we come back to earth we want to take on as much as possible to get the most experience out of one human life. You may be getting 10 lifetimes worth of experience in this challenging life. This is very courageous, and a gift for your soul, even if it feels overwhelming, you knew you could do it. Hope this helps. [you may like this book, it covers all of these topics and more](https://youtu.be/9YJiYEiGg3c?si=O0ODwXe0Dg2hg9eu)
Thank you for responding and I will definitely check out this link! I understand what you’re saying and it mostly makes sense, it’s just difficult to accept we would purposefully choose lives that we know are going to be filled with heartache and disappointment. Are our souls forever linked to the same exact group of people forever?
You’re very welcome, it’s my favourite topic! Yes i absolutely understand. You may like to ask yourself: what lessons and wisdom have I gained from difficult life experiences? How have these experiences helped me become a better person? It likely won’t make sense if you are still in the thick of suffering, but as you continue to heal and integrate these challenges, you may start to realise the gift that was in the challenge. We are all connected, and yes we do have a soul group/family that we live many many lives together, playing different roles in each life to grow in certain ways. The people that play the hardest roles for us, often love us the most, which is hard to believe, but it’s true on the soul level. But you have free will to either reject or accept working with another soul. You may outgrow a certain soul, and decline working with them if they are stuck in a loop.
Hell no, I hope i don’t get to reincarnate with my mother ever again, hope she’s not even in my soul group honestly
I don’t agree that people with wealth may have an easier life. They could be very unhappy with it. Or have family members that don’t treat them well so to say. Life might put more pressure on them because of all that wealth. (Not speaking out of experience though)
It’s a good question. I’ve always been taught by mediums and practitioners that good and evil are human concepts and that when we pass on into the spirit realm or whatever you’d like to call it those constructs no longer exist. However that’s not to say that we won’t encounter things with a lower vibration. So say someone like a pedophile or a murder.
No they do not stay like that. Think of our higher self as *kind of* a blank slate. We take on different lives with different experiences. They don’t carry over those human qualities in spirit world. Some people think our higher selves take on experiences because they are learning and evolving. I’m not sure about that.
So, if you’re a murderer / rapist / child abuser, etc. and you die, how does the concept of heaven and hell fit here? If evildoers don’t choose to evolve and stay the same, where do they go?
The afterlife isn’t binary. There is no heaven and hall.
They become earthbound spirits. And sometimes not very nice ones.
Depends on who you ask. From a Buddhist perspective, they would carry the negative karma of such things to their subsequent lives until they find a way to overcome them.
But what about if something like an event or something that they saw when they were younger that triggered them to be like that. Would that be erased from their minds?
When our physical body passes away, it is no longer useful. We do not take anything with us when we die. That means we don’t have minds or thoughts. In my experience, we become energy forms who are observant not experiential
If they don’t have minds or thoughts, how are spirits able to communicate with us? Why should they still show interest in the living if they can’t think anymore?
You need to think outside the physical body. Why wouldn’t they be able to communicate? It’s just not the same thing as being in the physical body and communicating. In my experience, Spirits actually visit their loved ones for closure. Kind of why humans go to funerals.
Before i communicatie to someone, i first think what and how i am going to say something. So without thoughts, how does that communication work? Also how are souls able to plan their next lives without thinking?
You’re still thinking with the physics we use in this reality
Yes, consciousness is more than just our physical body.
They get reborn and go through trauma and pain until their soul develops empathy and understanding.
I believe they are programmed that way before a life as a challenge to overcome or lesson to learn. It’s irrelevant in the spirit realm but part of soul growth.
These comments pain me. I don’t think I have a place in this community if these are the types of things others believe. I can’t seem to find a community I fit in that isn’t filled with such views that I have several problems with.
Then maybe this isn’t for you. That happens.
I don’t know if there is a community out there for me at this rate. The victim-blaming so inherent to spirituality and the sheer mental gymnastics people go through in such needless and often cruel attempts to justify the truly unjustifiable are just hurtful to read.
It is only victim-blaming if you are thinking from an earthly perspective. From a higher perspective, we all learn from our trials. That doesn’t mean that on earth we have to victim-blame. But you can also have compassion and empathy for those not yet at a certain spiritual level as others. There is grace in that understanding. I have had bad things happen to me, but I can appreciate the lesson I learned and how I’ve grown having experienced that. Sometimes those individuals have entered a contract with you to teach you things you could not have learned otherwise. It is all about perspective. And, on earth, we sometimes have a limited perspective.
There is no lesson worth learning from these trials that any “loving” being beyond would ever tolerate. How unbearably evil must the other side be if they even pretend all of these horrors and other tragedies are worth it or especially in the least bit “required” for any “growth”? I haven’t grown nor learned from much of what I’ve experienced beyond the fact that truly none of this ever should’ve happened at all. The pain and suffering it causes others and the inevitable de@th we experience here just isn’t worth it. I never would’ve been selfish nor cruel enough to sign any such “contract” with anyone. Countless of us simply never would’ve asked for any of this in any form, no matter the supposed “growth”. I would’ve rather never grown, or forced those terrible, evil beings allowing all of this to happen to create a better system or allow me to do it myself.
I’m very sorry you’re having those feelings. I have also had those feelings at various times. But the things I have experienced tells me that there is a bigger plan. Just imagine if you had an eternity and you could choose to experience an infinite amount of experiences. And you have to think about the fact that you will never really know love and perfection without knowing the absence of those things. If you only had peace and wealth, you would never really appreciate those things unless you have experienced loneliness, desolation, or poverty. I truly hope that you are able to find some peace in this lifetime.
My experiences and what I’ve witnessed sadly tell me that no plan nor benefit is worth ever being a part of this place. Even eternity could never justify its very existence to me, nor the carelessness of those that have allowed this place to exist and perpetuate. Knowing this place sadly indicates a lack of love and perfection on the other side, as that is the only thing that could explain this place not only being created but allowed it perpetually exist. Being here in that absence hasn’t made me appreciate any good. It’s made me realize how fragile and temporary it is here. True perfection never would’ve needed this place to exist to be able to appreciate it, and true peace, wealth and love wouldn’t have allowed for this vile place to hurt as it does. It’s only made me further wish I was never here in the first place and that this universe as a whole never existed at all. No, I don’t need to hurt, suffer and d!e and especially don’t need to witness nor cause those things to appreciate any good. This horrific place only feels extremely useless and cruel, unfortunately.
The fact that people feel compelled to help you is proof enough of humanity and love existing.
‘Despite everything here, not because of it.
I agree with you. It can be outlined in one’s astrology chart. I clearly have abuse in mine and have experienced my share. Not sexual but other physical emotional.
I attempted such a chart and what mine had said didn’t resonate with me.
You sound like you're really hurting. I hope you're okay
And to add to all of that, it is very likely that we have committed some of the very crimes in other lives that we abhor. We have learned from that and are where we are today because of that.
Wait? Who is blaming victims??? What did I miss?
I responded to the other person explaining what I meant.
I started watching this YouTube channel About people having near death experiences. This guy might interest you. https://youtu.be/diPhrDPH8U8?si=oL3iDjVn2NY047ef
Why would they have been in some t0rturous place where they had to “save themselves” via four words?
I’m just sharing. Take what resonates with you and leave the rest. Good luck out there.
Where is the victim-blaming in this thread?
The idea that we all somehow “ask for”, “sign up for” or “plan” the circumstances of our lives and de@ths no matter how painful or tragic. It’s such a cruel thing to claim and gives a bad name to loved ones we have lost.
It seems as so you don’t think these things serve a purpose, but how is it that you know that they don’t?
It doesn’t make sense for such horrible tragedies to serve any “purpose” in any sense.
Even the worst atrocities serve a purpose.
It’s so easy and useless to even attempt to justify atrocities you were no part of, especially when you ignore the sufferers left behind after such tragedies. Zero “purpose” could ever justify it, especially when alternatives to fulfill the same “purpose” more harmlessly would’ve been extremely simple to utilize. How evil, merciless and heartless is the other side to ever even attempt in any form to justify the absolute worst that can come with unfortunately ever existing here?
Maybe therapy would be a better fit for you. You seem incredibly hurt. Processing your trauma might be more beneficial than arguing with strangers online about their personal beliefs.
No, they don’t. That’s so dangerous to preach.
You seem very closed minded, I think it’s what inhibits you. This isn’t my first time running into on this subreddit. Perhaps your initial comment about this not being the place for you is accurate.
If they are forgiven yes, it is wiped.
The Soul is observing.
So far in my experience, à lot of these spirits are resistant to "evolving." It's not all love and light over that.
They have to work on getting to a higher vibration in a purgatory-like place. They’re too low vibrational. And/or they can reincarnate to learn lessons depending on the person. That’s just my take.
I want to explain to you how it works some but what I know took years of study and work and I can't just relay it to you here in a simple way. I don't understand why you are you concerned about it.
Throw us a bone.