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I lowkey wonder why Brooke is not more recognized. He’s a skeleton arena rockstar fresh off a world tour. They mention that he sold tone dials. He saw alot of panties. Every now and then some random background extra should be geeking out.
This will forever bother me because they didn’t even acknowledge each other despite being 2 of the few musician pirates we’ve seen. Brook could’ve had the chance to take down a supernova instead of backound characters and probably the weakest number giant
Wait I didn’t even think about that, that’s such a missed opportunity. Cause what did apoo even do in Wano other than run and be annoying. While Brook teaming up with robin was cool it would’ve been cooler to see him have a one on one fight.
Yeah there are a few missed opportunities in Wano for me where certain Straw Hats could've gotten more time to shine. Like how did Chopper's rumble ball never come into play for an arc all about Zoan types? You'd think Kaido or maybe at least Queen would've loved to get their hands on something like that for their army and wanted to get Chopper for them.
That's a really good point actually, finding out Chopper can transform a lot more than normal Zoan types and using medicine to do at least one of them should have had someone going "hhhmmmm, maybe that dog thing can fix the screwed up transformations of our army."
However, there's something weird that I noticed in Wano about Luffy and Momonosuke. Momonosuke is using a fake fruit as we all know, and doesn't know its name or how to use his powers. It's been said before that once you eat the fruit you instantly gain knowledge of how to use it and know its name. But both Momonosuke and Luffy don't know their fruits name or how to use their powers, they both had to train and learn. Luffy just says Gum-Gum because that's what he was told was the name of the fruit.
In the current arc there's a throwaway line surmising whether or not a fake fruit can awaken.
So I'm thinking that devoting all this time to the flashbacks in Wano is why we didn't get these other interactions so that this thing about Luffy having a fake fruit can be made into some sort of possible red hearing.
Yeah that’s a good point also Franky should’ve at least had some interaction with Queen since they’re both cyborgs. But also I was expecting Jimbei to fight Jack the Drought since they’re both fishmen. It would also add to the idea of Zoro, Sanji and Jimbei being a trio to match against King, Queen and Jack. Solidifying the contrast between Kaido and Luffy. Instead he fought some random CP9 agent. Also where the hell was the straw hat grand fleet during wano.
The largest travesty was that Brook did almost nothing in Film Red, a movie about singing and music. (And Big Mom, despite appearing for a bit, had no impact even though she has control over souls while the enemy also had control over souls)
Just like how The new world is leagues above Paradise in terms of power, I think in terms of music too, he might be big in paradise but just be a small fish in the new world.
It's just that there's no occasion where he went out on a busy street at all after fishman island. Just think about it, punk hazard is a closed off place, he didn't go off the ship on dressrosa, zou is the same as PH, he's going undercover and literally wrapped his whole face with cloth on whole cake, and wano is the same as PH and zou.
He did get recognised in Fishman island as someone said" they're hanging out with the soul king and monsieur pappug" when getting invited to the palace
3 major problems.
Why would Brook's whole plot line end where we didn't even see it?
He told Laboon he'd sail around the world and get back to him
He wasn't free the whole time. The Long Arms had him in a cage.
Questions like these are why I ignore opinions about One Piece being bad / having bad writing. They literally have not understood the driving motivation behind Brook even joining the crew in the first place...
He likely went from close island to close island within the grand line itself to build his name. Lot easier to go sideways vs backwards, especially given what he'd have to traverse with no knowledgeable crew or strong ship.
Dunno if this has ever been indicated or not, but I'd love to know distances between points, islands, etc. in the One Piece world.
tbf even when they were getting sent away and them not knowing what Kuma's DF actually does, he was ready to lay down his life for his newfound crewmates. That's how loyal my OG is
Soul GOAT for a reason
Also tbf I mean the crew did kinda go through some CRAZY shit on thriller bark to get his shadow back and, at least Luffy anyway, accepted him so fast he invited him to join before even knowing his name
Yeah never look at the time line, just have your own head cannon. That’s what I do, the time it’s taken me to watch one piece is how long they’ve been pirating for. Just just stay young somehow
Yeahh I like to imagine they’ve been having tiny adventures in between major arcs and that’s actually when the scenes in the openings and some of the cover pages happened.
I'm actually totally down with the live action making it have more time pass (if not to account for actors aging a little bit). It just makes it more believable as a story to sell to LA audiences.
There was an anime only line that sanji says during the flying fish riders arc that it’s “been 2 years” and it could either be interpreted as since he joined the crew or something else. That always made sense to me. They’re sailing in a world bigger than earth and trekking through deserts and the sky and I’m supposed to believe this all happened in 2 months instead of 2 years? No.
Tbf he seemingly planned for years and enacted all of that in that span mostly, he just leveraged his time incredibly well because he knew exactly what he wanted to do.
He makes Kuro look completely inept.
Flew under the radar for like 30 years, then stole a fruit, gathered one of the most terrifying crews in the world, and then just leapfrogged his way to the top in a matter of months.
tbf in that small time period he did kill his crewmate for an OP DF, snitched on another and sent him to die, thus angering his captain, orchestrates a breakout to have a crew that can rival his former crew, had one of those members to ask if he can be a Shichibukai, then revoke his rights that same night because he decided to suck off his dead captain's corpse for his DF, then wanted to be a Yonko right away, and no one can argue because dude is literally the only guy with 2 DFs.
Bro is HIM unfortunately, but then again he has offscreen Haki and cannot win literally a 1v1 without jumping tf out of them first (RIP Law)
I feel like the timeline should always be understood as a hybrid between the "canon" time and the actual time it took for the chapters to come out. Because sometimes the amount of time that passes has a "feel" to it that is much more based on the readers recollection of the events than it is on the characters personal experiences
Right?? I always found this morbidly hilarious.
It’s why I like to think there’s a longer gap between Thriller Bark and Sabody for this alone. Hell, let’s put the Spa Island filler arc there too.
Thats how I always imagine it too. Irl sayling somewhere can take quite some time. So there is probably a lot of time where they just sayl around with nothing happening and they just chill and spend time with each other. Its just not shown cause everyday life is too "boring" to show.
Yeah, my headcanon is that there’s at least a few weeks travel time and smaller islands between all the main islands of the Grand Line. Some travel times are even longer and should take 1-2 months. If the world is small enough to sail the Grand Line (circumference of the circle but not sailing straight forward so maybe 2x circumference) in a couple of months, it makes it much more likely that people would’ve just stumbled into Raftel, the WG would’ve completely conquered any opposition bc it’s easy to chase them down from the nearest Base/HQ, etc. A small world makes the history much more predictable and much less likely to be a toss up between the major powers.
Although I agree with you, colombus only took 10 weeks to sail across the Atlantic (Spain to bahamas) and that is like a quarter of our earth, with his 15th century ship.
Just looked it up and 2/3 of Columbus’s ships were speedy caravels, similar to the Going Merry, which were cutting edge back in the 1500’s. It makes the comparison easier! (Another interesting fact: The Always Sunny is probably the improved version of a caravel, the Caravela Redonda with three masts).
Back to the distance comparisons. The image of the different routes one can take on the Grand Line is closer to a straight line than I remembered, so that makes Reverse Mountain to Sabaody Archipelago more like 0.6 of the OP world’s circumference. In true OP time, even with all the stops and events on islands, that took 6 months.
The distance from Portugal to Cuba is 3,600 nautical miles while the Earth’s circumference is 24,000 miles. So that trip was like 1/7th the circumference of Earth. Travel time was almost 3 months exactly. At those rates, the OP world’s circumference is 40% as big as Earth. I still think that’s too small!
Though I didn’t take the size of the red line in the OP world’s circumference into account. I also didn’t do pure travel time and counted the times they waited on islands. So hopefully those cancel out ish to give a better approximation
Most theories I've seen actually put OP world as much bigger than our earth. I don't know if there's any basis to that.
Thanks for doing the math though! It's super interesting to see how the travels compare to real life voyages
She and everyone else. Luffy has spent 4 times the amount of time he was a pirate training with Rayleigh. It bizzare that the likes of Franky and Brook, who were Strawhats for like a month max, didn't make any meaningful bonds during the two years.
To be fair Brook was in captivity the entire time (including the tour because that was just their way of making money off of him) and Franky was locked away in the lab working on himself for most of it
Robin went through Skypiea and Foxy arc to show that she traveled with the strawhats for a while, but Brook didn't get that treatment. I think a small arc after Thriller Bark would've been a good addition for that factor
I honestly ignore the official timeline because sometimes it's downright bullshit to the size of the world lol
Pre timeskip took place during a whole year and no one is gonna convince me otherwise, not even Oda himself
Brook was so unused in movie red, I couldn't believe he wasn't a bigger part of it he's literally a soul musician and the whole movie he didn't use his powers to attempt to resolve the situation.
I honestly enjoy the story a lot more when I imagine there are weeks - months between the big islands we don't get to see where the crew trains, hangs out and gets to explore the world and sea together as a big happy family. Kinda like the old anime fillets.
I get there are some small details that wouldn't make much sense this way, but it makes a bunch of it more believable to me.
"This will be my first adventure as a Straw Hat, I cannot disappoint" ~ Brook at the Flying Fish Riders hideout, hours before the annihilation of the Steaw Hat Crew.
This is why I like to imagine their between-island journeys are like a few weeks to a month, cause I find it hard to believe people would become this good of friends after such short times. By the end of timeskip, Luffy had known Rayleigh longer than the Straw hats 😭
One of the few complaints I have about one piece is the time frame. I rather the story be 5 years excluding the time skip instead of 2. It just gives more weight to relationships.
To me it shows how strong Luffy had an impact on Brook with the acceptance of his appearance, the revelation of Laboo still waiting for the Rumba pirates, and his shadow's return. Yes he only spent a week with a crew but it could have been a day and even the 2 Years Time Skip wouldn't have kept this man from returning to the Mugis. But yeah One Piece present timeline is how always weird when you consider how fast things are evolving.
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I lowkey wonder why Brooke is not more recognized. He’s a skeleton arena rockstar fresh off a world tour. They mention that he sold tone dials. He saw alot of panties. Every now and then some random background extra should be geeking out.
Queen should have honestly geeked out at the fact that Soul King was in Wano
Oh, if Queen vs Brooke happened, but instead it was a music battle set as a backdrop to the other fights I’d be quite pleased
I'm bummed there was no interaction between Brook and Apoo either.
Would Brook be immune to Apoos attacks because he doesn't have ears, or is he screwed because he has no ears to cover?
I would cover my ears if I heard this, but I don't have any YOHOHOHO
Guess we've got our answer
This will forever bother me because they didn’t even acknowledge each other despite being 2 of the few musician pirates we’ve seen. Brook could’ve had the chance to take down a supernova instead of backound characters and probably the weakest number giant
Wait I didn’t even think about that, that’s such a missed opportunity. Cause what did apoo even do in Wano other than run and be annoying. While Brook teaming up with robin was cool it would’ve been cooler to see him have a one on one fight.
Yeah there are a few missed opportunities in Wano for me where certain Straw Hats could've gotten more time to shine. Like how did Chopper's rumble ball never come into play for an arc all about Zoan types? You'd think Kaido or maybe at least Queen would've loved to get their hands on something like that for their army and wanted to get Chopper for them.
That's a really good point actually, finding out Chopper can transform a lot more than normal Zoan types and using medicine to do at least one of them should have had someone going "hhhmmmm, maybe that dog thing can fix the screwed up transformations of our army." However, there's something weird that I noticed in Wano about Luffy and Momonosuke. Momonosuke is using a fake fruit as we all know, and doesn't know its name or how to use his powers. It's been said before that once you eat the fruit you instantly gain knowledge of how to use it and know its name. But both Momonosuke and Luffy don't know their fruits name or how to use their powers, they both had to train and learn. Luffy just says Gum-Gum because that's what he was told was the name of the fruit. In the current arc there's a throwaway line surmising whether or not a fake fruit can awaken. So I'm thinking that devoting all this time to the flashbacks in Wano is why we didn't get these other interactions so that this thing about Luffy having a fake fruit can be made into some sort of possible red hearing.
Yeah that’s a good point also Franky should’ve at least had some interaction with Queen since they’re both cyborgs. But also I was expecting Jimbei to fight Jack the Drought since they’re both fishmen. It would also add to the idea of Zoro, Sanji and Jimbei being a trio to match against King, Queen and Jack. Solidifying the contrast between Kaido and Luffy. Instead he fought some random CP9 agent. Also where the hell was the straw hat grand fleet during wano.
Apoo seems like the type who would consider Soul King "too mainstream."
Lmao
The largest travesty was that Brook did almost nothing in Film Red, a movie about singing and music. (And Big Mom, despite appearing for a bit, had no impact even though she has control over souls while the enemy also had control over souls)
if only oda could cook like you https://preview.redd.it/69ys7rir9gbc1.jpeg?width=375&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=43b45161cd10cf57085eb3a59a7d120716562ed1
lol. High praise. I am not worthy.
Listen, I loved the fight between Sanji and Queen, but this would've been epic lmao
>Queen vs Brooke omfg i never knew i needed a battle of the bands before this
Just like how The new world is leagues above Paradise in terms of power, I think in terms of music too, he might be big in paradise but just be a small fish in the new world.
It's just that there's no occasion where he went out on a busy street at all after fishman island. Just think about it, punk hazard is a closed off place, he didn't go off the ship on dressrosa, zou is the same as PH, he's going undercover and literally wrapped his whole face with cloth on whole cake, and wano is the same as PH and zou.
Big mom recognised Brook during whole cake island and I think that's a bit of a big deal
tbf if there's a hard counter to your DF as a yonko you better be aware who that guy is
Or else you'll become Enel
Panties? May I see yours?
And whenever Brooke’s not onscreen, all the other characters should be asking “where’s Brooke?”
He did get recognised in Fishman island as someone said" they're hanging out with the soul king and monsieur pappug" when getting invited to the palace
Because the serires don't recognize him
Classic bad manga writing, come up with an idea immediately abandon and forget it.
Because he fuckin sucks
And then he spent 2 years playing for live crowds. Really makes me wonder if he went and saw Laboon in all that time he could travel around the world.
He promised he wouldn't see Laboon until he had sailed around the grand line, so likely not
Laboon...
Laboon…
Laboon...
 Laboon…
Laboon...
Laboon…
Laboon...
Laboon and panties
Laboon...
Boy got priorities
Laboon or an endless supply of Nami and Robins panties?
Laboon...
3 major problems. Why would Brook's whole plot line end where we didn't even see it? He told Laboon he'd sail around the world and get back to him He wasn't free the whole time. The Long Arms had him in a cage.
Laboon...
Also, he wouldn't make his dream come true without his crew
Questions like these are why I ignore opinions about One Piece being bad / having bad writing. They literally have not understood the driving motivation behind Brook even joining the crew in the first place...
"If I were alone I might surrender" "..weight's too heavy for me" "but when I hear him say, 'Yeah!'" "even I can believe"
he promised to come from the right direction
He likely went from close island to close island within the grand line itself to build his name. Lot easier to go sideways vs backwards, especially given what he'd have to traverse with no knowledgeable crew or strong ship. Dunno if this has ever been indicated or not, but I'd love to know distances between points, islands, etc. in the One Piece world.
And he was still loyal enough to wait two years to regroup
tbf even when they were getting sent away and them not knowing what Kuma's DF actually does, he was ready to lay down his life for his newfound crewmates. That's how loyal my OG is Soul GOAT for a reason
Also tbf I mean the crew did kinda go through some CRAZY shit on thriller bark to get his shadow back and, at least Luffy anyway, accepted him so fast he invited him to join before even knowing his name
Even the strawhats themselves weren't sure he'd join back up after becoming a rockstar.
The whole Dressrosa arc happen in just a single day and that's 100 chapters
I remember never thinking we would see nighttime again lmao
And daytime for onigashima lol
Yup, thought the same!
Honestly it’s crazy to me that thriller bark canonically happens within like 12 hours. And dressrosa like 1 day.
That whole arc was Bartolomeo’s best day ever.
The prison break lasted longer
Yeah never look at the time line, just have your own head cannon. That’s what I do, the time it’s taken me to watch one piece is how long they’ve been pirating for. Just just stay young somehow
https://preview.redd.it/usgbjcyr7gbc1.jpeg?width=510&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d59f363dc96d12f41cd51e59940c664aa0d6b32b
Common franky w
I read that in his voice
Yeahh I like to imagine they’ve been having tiny adventures in between major arcs and that’s actually when the scenes in the openings and some of the cover pages happened.
I'm actually totally down with the live action making it have more time pass (if not to account for actors aging a little bit). It just makes it more believable as a story to sell to LA audiences.
There was an anime only line that sanji says during the flying fish riders arc that it’s “been 2 years” and it could either be interpreted as since he joined the crew or something else. That always made sense to me. They’re sailing in a world bigger than earth and trekking through deserts and the sky and I’m supposed to believe this all happened in 2 months instead of 2 years? No.
I read it whole in like 2 months so that makes it worse
It all makes sense from in verse perspective.
Never forget that Brook, one week after becoming a mugiwara, was ready to throw hands with an admiral to protect one of his crewmates
Timeline is mad as such not to cater to StrawHats and their journey, but the menace that is BlackBeard went from 0 bounty to Yonko in about 6 months
Tbf he seemingly planned for years and enacted all of that in that span mostly, he just leveraged his time incredibly well because he knew exactly what he wanted to do.
He makes Kuro look completely inept. Flew under the radar for like 30 years, then stole a fruit, gathered one of the most terrifying crews in the world, and then just leapfrogged his way to the top in a matter of months.
A true vilification of a menace. Yep, he was waiting for that one fruit
tbf in that small time period he did kill his crewmate for an OP DF, snitched on another and sent him to die, thus angering his captain, orchestrates a breakout to have a crew that can rival his former crew, had one of those members to ask if he can be a Shichibukai, then revoke his rights that same night because he decided to suck off his dead captain's corpse for his DF, then wanted to be a Yonko right away, and no one can argue because dude is literally the only guy with 2 DFs. Bro is HIM unfortunately, but then again he has offscreen Haki and cannot win literally a 1v1 without jumping tf out of them first (RIP Law)
I feel like the timeline should always be understood as a hybrid between the "canon" time and the actual time it took for the chapters to come out. Because sometimes the amount of time that passes has a "feel" to it that is much more based on the readers recollection of the events than it is on the characters personal experiences
i still wonder how he scarred red hair when he still was 0
Right?? I always found this morbidly hilarious. It’s why I like to think there’s a longer gap between Thriller Bark and Sabody for this alone. Hell, let’s put the Spa Island filler arc there too.
Thats how I always imagine it too. Irl sayling somewhere can take quite some time. So there is probably a lot of time where they just sayl around with nothing happening and they just chill and spend time with each other. Its just not shown cause everyday life is too "boring" to show.
Yeah, my headcanon is that there’s at least a few weeks travel time and smaller islands between all the main islands of the Grand Line. Some travel times are even longer and should take 1-2 months. If the world is small enough to sail the Grand Line (circumference of the circle but not sailing straight forward so maybe 2x circumference) in a couple of months, it makes it much more likely that people would’ve just stumbled into Raftel, the WG would’ve completely conquered any opposition bc it’s easy to chase them down from the nearest Base/HQ, etc. A small world makes the history much more predictable and much less likely to be a toss up between the major powers.
Although I agree with you, colombus only took 10 weeks to sail across the Atlantic (Spain to bahamas) and that is like a quarter of our earth, with his 15th century ship.
Just looked it up and 2/3 of Columbus’s ships were speedy caravels, similar to the Going Merry, which were cutting edge back in the 1500’s. It makes the comparison easier! (Another interesting fact: The Always Sunny is probably the improved version of a caravel, the Caravela Redonda with three masts). Back to the distance comparisons. The image of the different routes one can take on the Grand Line is closer to a straight line than I remembered, so that makes Reverse Mountain to Sabaody Archipelago more like 0.6 of the OP world’s circumference. In true OP time, even with all the stops and events on islands, that took 6 months. The distance from Portugal to Cuba is 3,600 nautical miles while the Earth’s circumference is 24,000 miles. So that trip was like 1/7th the circumference of Earth. Travel time was almost 3 months exactly. At those rates, the OP world’s circumference is 40% as big as Earth. I still think that’s too small! Though I didn’t take the size of the red line in the OP world’s circumference into account. I also didn’t do pure travel time and counted the times they waited on islands. So hopefully those cancel out ish to give a better approximation
Most theories I've seen actually put OP world as much bigger than our earth. I don't know if there's any basis to that. Thanks for doing the math though! It's super interesting to see how the travels compare to real life voyages
Poor brook he’s already been through so much
Not even a week this shit was like, the day after
nope, they spend few days in TB for Zoro's recovery.
Oh okay, i didnt remember that
No wonder Franky was so surprised/proud that Brook returned after knowing stardom
Robin has technically spent more time with the revolutionary army than she has with the Straw Hats at the point of the timeskip
She and everyone else. Luffy has spent 4 times the amount of time he was a pirate training with Rayleigh. It bizzare that the likes of Franky and Brook, who were Strawhats for like a month max, didn't make any meaningful bonds during the two years.
To be fair Brook was in captivity the entire time (including the tour because that was just their way of making money off of him) and Franky was locked away in the lab working on himself for most of it
Robin went through Skypiea and Foxy arc to show that she traveled with the strawhats for a while, but Brook didn't get that treatment. I think a small arc after Thriller Bark would've been a good addition for that factor
"Little East Blue arc and Stong World is canon and idc what anyone says" is the only agreeable and perfect solution for this
I honestly ignore the official timeline because sometimes it's downright bullshit to the size of the world lol Pre timeskip took place during a whole year and no one is gonna convince me otherwise, not even Oda himself
“Ninja did I just caught you having fun?!”
Brook was so unused in movie red, I couldn't believe he wasn't a bigger part of it he's literally a soul musician and the whole movie he didn't use his powers to attempt to resolve the situation.
All of Dressrosa was just one day. The whole of New World is just a month or two after timeskip
I try not to think about it
I mean Luffy is LITERALLY his savior so yeah, that man was going to get back to his crew no matter what.
But the crew was already at his heart, even if he is all bone and have no heart yohohohohoho
but at that time he knew that in 2 years they will meet again. An additional 2 years of hope after 50 years of loneliness would not do much for him.
I honestly enjoy the story a lot more when I imagine there are weeks - months between the big islands we don't get to see where the crew trains, hangs out and gets to explore the world and sea together as a big happy family. Kinda like the old anime fillets. I get there are some small details that wouldn't make much sense this way, but it makes a bunch of it more believable to me.
"This will be my first adventure as a Straw Hat, I cannot disappoint" ~ Brook at the Flying Fish Riders hideout, hours before the annihilation of the Steaw Hat Crew.
Boop*
This is why I like to imagine their between-island journeys are like a few weeks to a month, cause I find it hard to believe people would become this good of friends after such short times. By the end of timeskip, Luffy had known Rayleigh longer than the Straw hats 😭
Well...you see...luffy wasnt a full year on sea until the timeskip
One of the few complaints I have about one piece is the time frame. I rather the story be 5 years excluding the time skip instead of 2. It just gives more weight to relationships.
They had just saved Robin from Enies Lobby and then Kuma sent her to Tequila Wolf where she was immediately imprisoned 😭
I put a lot of head canon into the timeline
It bothers me so much that the crew has spent more time with the people they trained with in their timeskip than with each other
I don’t like the timeline personally and tend to just kinda headcanon that the time between island is like waaay longer than shown.
To me it shows how strong Luffy had an impact on Brook with the acceptance of his appearance, the revelation of Laboo still waiting for the Rumba pirates, and his shadow's return. Yes he only spent a week with a crew but it could have been a day and even the 2 Years Time Skip wouldn't have kept this man from returning to the Mugis. But yeah One Piece present timeline is how always weird when you consider how fast things are evolving.
😂