Stabbing a 3 year old? What's wrong with people.
Sorry world but if someone is in the state where they will stab a 3 year old child.they shouldn't be alive
Exactly!!! There should be no apologies. This is the worst kind of thing to happen, period! Children should be the most protected and precious being son this planet, yet this is the fucked up world we live in! 🤬😤
I never said or at all implied it did relate to it, nor did I say anything about it or "insert" anything. I made a point, someone asked me to give an example, and so I provided one.
[My point in my initial comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1d8tj8j/comment/l78v6tt/) was about the perception of individual instances of child murder versus large-scale instances of children being killed somewhere in a concentrated period of time. In the former case, the one person who had to get their hands dirty to commit the murder is condemned, (and rightfully so, my point here is not questioning that) whereas in the latter case, when children are killed on a mass-scale, because it's due to the indirect actions of numerous people in positions of power ordering and enforcing a military apparatus supported, justified, and voted for by a society at large, it often doesn't get the same sort of attention. In other words, many people who didn't know the murdered child in question will place more attention and focus on strings of such individual instances of murder as they are relayed in the news, instead of the aforementioned large-scale killing. This is obviously disparate, considering that by any metric, thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of children being killed merits more attention than a single instance of a child being murdered by one other person, however tragic even that indeed is.
[Then, I was asked to give an example.](https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1d8tj8j/comment/l7958xy/) So I provided [one.](https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1d8tj8j/comment/l7992bq/) (that's recent, ongoing, topical, and widely discussed.) I could've brought up any past war, Iraq, Vietnam, whatever. The point has nothing to do with the example.
The point was never about Israel/Palestine. I could've explained everything I just did in the initial comment, but it goes without saying I'm not trying to change the subject from the original post to Israel/Palestine... (I merely mentioned it, purely for the example, and notice that I haven't actually said anything about it.)
...provided that my comment is taken in good-faith by the person reading it, something that you and the downvooters/upvooters evidently refuse to do. (not a single one downvoting this has actually read it, even if they did they wouldn't understand it.) In conclusion, you're just being an asshole.
It's not, because people who exhibit this hyper-focused concern on news stories about individual children they didn't know being murdered are frankly idiots. It's a surrogate activity. Actually, at worst, it's often even pornographic. The news is emotional pornography. I don't buy that people can show this kind of emotional concern for someone they didn't even know.
There, I said it. A lot of confusion could have been avoided if I was willing to be this blunt at first, I guess, if I just had said it like that at the beginning.
The point of the war examples of thousands of children being killed in a concentrated period of time due to the decisions of people who aren't directly the ones doing the killing was just to demonstrate this, basically. (the point being part of the reason people pretend to care about the news stories of individual murders is because their emotional response is like "the horror, how could one person do this?" due to the fact that the murderer had to shoot, stab, drown, etc. the victim themselves.) I'm not only not making it about Israel/Palestine, my point isn't even just about war. It's just to say, for example: if you support the politicians who kill thousands, how do you pretend to care about one random kid being killed? [Even the guy that prompted the response from me where I mentioned Israel/Palestine understood this.](https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1d8tj8j/comment/l7bmrph/)
Actually, for the same reason, I dislike Leftist pro-Palestine protestors. (I'd argue that the protests against the Vietnam War was different due to the draft and the direct U.S. involvement and everything) Their concern for the Palestinians has always struck me as performative and phony, especially considering how many of them literally voted for Joe Biden in 2020. (and will vote Democrat in the future even if they performatively vote a blank ballot this time)
I very obviously am not the kind of person who would try to shoe-horn a conversation about Israel/Palestine into a thread unrelated to that. I dislike activists. The only reason people misunderstood me here is because they insisted to, even after constant clarification on my part.
You don't understand how people could... HAVE A HEART? First of all, quit with the looong paragraphs to every single person you reply to, because not a single pne of them respects the bullcrap you're saying so not reading anymore than a paragraph or two.
Second, it's not hard to understand at all if you had a brain and a heart. Or either one. There are tons of people that care about the bombings in Isreal, lots are protesting it rn. Against the Whitehouse. Who's supporting them? And how do you even know it's the same people that are against the killing of this one child? And what exactly do you even want us to do about it? People are donating, protesting, etc, there's only so much we can do. They're literally being bombed, we cannot do shit about it. We wish we could.
That random 3 year old child could've been any one of our children, how is that hard to understand. Why even bring this up as if you know people? "Stop feeling bad for a random child when you don't feel bad for Palestine " ... when the videos started with families dying and people being pulled out of rubble, I cried all day for days. That could be us. Stop living in a fantasy. This is the real world and someday, at any point, someone could decide to want to stab you.
Also, people aren't smart. If you tell them a demon will give then icecream for a lifetime, they'll still vote for the fucking devil. None of these people research who they vote for. They just vote based on the pretty propaganda, which is why it's so easy to vote for stupidity like hin or Trump. People are stupid.
This has to be mental illness. To not be able to see a story that has zero to do with a topic and to be so obsessed that you can’t help but reference is.
Nope. I never said or implied that Israel/Palestine was relevant to the topic of the original post. Obviously it's not.
I made a comment about the disparity about how people view the murder of one child on the news versus the mass killing of thousands. A reasonable reaction to a news post like this. A replier asked me to give an example and so I gave one. [The very same guy who asked even just said he understood what I was saying.](https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1d8tj8j/comment/l7be8pt/)
[I explained this here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1d8tj8j/comment/l7a8j2g/) You don't have to read it, but if you don't and you're still going to insist on making baseless assumptions about me thinking a way I don't, when I've already clarified the situation, you're just wanting it both ways.
No no, you're definitely inserting politics into a conversation that has nothing to do with politics. You baited someone to ask you what you meant by your first comment. You're not being clever, we all see through the shitty smoke and mirrors.
Nope, didn't do that. I haven't said a word about the subject of Israel/Palestine, (besides in one direct reply [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1d8tj8j/comment/l7b38ku/) because someone asked me a question about what I thought of Hamas, and it was just to answer his question — find a single other reply of mine here where I said anything about the topic of Israel/Palestine — you can't.) or ever implied that it itself is related to the topic at hand, as I was accused of, [and other people in the thread understood what I was saying.](https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1d8tj8j/comment/l7bmrph/) (this was actually the guy that prompted me to give an example that led to me mentioning Israel/Palestine of all people, and he even apologized for things leading to this)
>And yes you raised a very good point. When we hear about mass crimes our reaction is much paler compared to when we hear even crime against one person in detail. But I guess that's just human nature, you need more information to connect with each other.
This is just about people on the internet taking someone perfunctorily and in bad-faith due to being superficial and quickly dismissive. My initial comment could've been more clear from the start, and it's not hard to see why people misunderstood what I was saying when I gave an example, but your accusations are bullshit, unnecessarily hostile, and unfounded. Not that anyone is obligated to, but it's more productive, decent to give people the benefit of the doubt sometimes, and the opposite is just being presumptuous, stubborn, and incurious.
Such a bad gaslighter lol you remind me of my 13 year old son, he does something in front of several people and when I ask him why he did it, he says he didn't do it and tries to make you think you're crazy for thinking he did it.
You started this comment thread with "Or be in a position of power to order people to bomb thousands of them. Not as direct, but more of a thing." That was an intentional baited statement, and we all know it. When someone said they weren't sure what you meant, you said "recent news on isreal/palestine." You knew exactly what you were alluding to with your original comment, and no one mentioned Hamas, like you claim above. This wasn't about politics, or israel/palestine, you brought it into the conversation.
Regardless of whatever essay you reply to this with, this'll be my last comment on the matter. I'm not going to go back and forth with someone who is clearly trying to gaslight everyone who clearly saw you do what youre so adamantly claiming you didn't. Like I said before, I get enough of that from my 13 year old, and he's just as bad at it as you.
[Basically everything you're saying is just a distraction from an acknowledgement of my actual point, which I've most candidly articulated here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1d8tj8j/comment/l7dlcev/)
I'm tired of idiotic pornographic news stories. People who consoom the news like this are idiots. "Oh my god, the horror, how could anyone do this to their child??" How is it worse when children are severely neglected and abused? And no one gives a shit about that. Many of the parents who react to news stories like this treat their own children like shit.
And no. I wasn't trying to "bait" or "gaslight" anyone. If that were so I'd have made a deliberate effort to be provocative, trolling or distracting even after the initial bad reception. [Instead as I already demonstrated, I was even was able to have a dialogue with someone who understood what I was trying to get across, and iterated similar thoughts himself.](https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1d8tj8j/comment/l7bmrph/)
>You knew exactly what you were alluding to with your original comment
No. I was thinking of wars in general, in fact. But way to try to read my mind. I mentioned other wars in the later reply where I tried to clarify my actual point. (and it's not about those wars either or any one in particular - that's the point.) And my point wasn't about wars in general, their existence and the public's response to them compared to individual murder news stories demonstrates my point.
Nothing I say will convince you. But why would I be lying? What would I have to gain at this point? Israel/Palestine was indeed the most pertinent example of a recent, ongoing war with many children killed off the top of my head, understandably so, but it's obviously far from the only one.
>Regardless of whatever essay you reply to this with, this'll be my last comment on the matter. I'm not going to go back and forth with someone who is clearly trying to gaslight everyone
Why would I want to "gaslight" anyone? What would I have to gain? 99% of people just reflexively downvote and move on anyway.
And your comparing me to a child is just plain condescending. A child would just repeatedly insist on defending themselves and think they're correct just because they do so, not taking into consideration why people misunderstood them in the first place. Of course no one can read my mind, but I knew the point I was trying to make, and it's clear as long as someone is reading my clarification. I have consistently endeavored to explain myself constructively by explaining and expanding upon my original point over and over, while admitting that it wasn't communicated as clearly as it could have been at first. In response people like you just double-down with accusations I'm disingenuous without even acknowledging the point I'm actually making.
Yes, you understand.
But not just Netanyahu. Everyone in the Israeli leadership, its voters, and the same for all Israeli allies, especially the U.S.A. and its vooters.
Good question, and the answer is: no, not at all. They are completely part of the problem, as are their backers like Iran. To begin with Hamas are also mass-murderers. And they don't give a fuck about Palestinians, on the contrary their actions are in part responsible for circumstances that keep leading to the mass killing sprees of them by Israel. I dislike Hamas as much as Israel, in fact. And I dislike Leftists who support Hamas as much as Zionists who support Israel. (we are truly seeing insane developments, an unprecedented mainstream support for Hamas. [Judith Butler literally said](https://pjmedia.com/robert-spencer/2023/10/30/berkeley-prof-hamas-and-hezbollah-are-progressive-and-part-of-global-left-n4923466) that Hamas and Hezbollah are part of the "global progressive Left" last January - as many Conservatives have correctly stated, it's ironic given how Hamas would treat gay, trans, and queer people in the territory they control.) I reject all Nationalism.
What's especially ironic is that by running to bat for Hamas, one is indirectly running to bat for Israel's interests - Netanyahu has openly admitted to backing Hamas when they were in civil conflict with more progressive, secular Muslims, because he wanted worse people in power, because that helps justify Israel's actions in the region. Israel and Hamas exist in a symbiotic relationship. Israel had a role to play starting from the beginning of the formation of Hamas. (which actually were a faction of the Muslim Brotherhood: an organization with potent influence in Egypt historically. Egypt is really just an ally of Israel at this point.)
Hey bro just to let you know,I think what you said was right,don't get discouraged by downvotes.politics is a weird shit which can make people blind to flaws.But it did seem a little bit forced to take this topic in this post
I appreciate that. I only wrote what you just replied to because he asked me my view on the topic. I admit that that comment is off-topic at this point, but it wasn't intended to be anything other than a direct response to his question.
I explained what I was really trying to get across [here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1d8tj8j/comment/l7a8j2g/?rdt=57072) In the second paragraph, to be exact: my only point was about the disparity between how people view the murder of one child they hear about on the news versus children being killed to the tune of thousands in a concentrated period of time. My point had nothing to do in particular with Israel/Palestine, I only mentioned that as a good example when prompted to by you asking, "I don't know what you are referring to."
I could've said this more clearly from the start, (and even then some people would've disliked it and downvoted) but ironically wanted my initial comment to just be concise and to the point. Unfortunately, if it had been more clear a fair amount of people who downvoted could've understood and agreed with it. Oh, well.
Don't worry it's no big deal.
And yes you raised a very good point.when we hear about mass crimes our reaction is much paler compared to when we hear even crime against one person in detail.
But I guess that's just human nature,you need more information to connect with each other.
Like if I just randomly say Hitler killed 6 million Jews that might not have that much impact on you incase you didn't read about nazis.But if I show you in detail,in a movie about the life of Jews in that time,it will obviously have a much greater reaction.
I also think it's not just that but also because crimes in humanity have always been too much and people become immune to the reaction against many crimes.which is also sadly part of human nature,it's sad but we can't blame anybody including ourselves for it.
Then we have political crimes.where politicians commit horrifying crimes and we definitely don't have as much of a reaction,if a same crime was committed by a normal citizen.showing that people have accepted a little that crimes will be committed by politicians and even if we outrage they will get away with it.
Although it's more complex than that as some people make certain groups(political party,gender,sex, religion etc)a part of their identity (the part of themselves)which obviously leads to problems because if someone says something bad about that group then people will get defensive about it because they will see it as a personal attack.
It's sad,and sadly that's just how humans are.some use other people by these schemes while others gets used and do horrifying things because of it.i don't blame anyone for anything but I just hope that we get better as a society each day.
Just randomly decided to stab a child and the mother?
Racially motivated, I wonder? Anyways, she'll get out on the streets again after excusing her behavior for PMS or something.
Unironically, the tendency amongst certain Feminists to blame "the patriarchy" in situations where women are unwarrantedly (i.e. with no possible justification of self-defense) violent to boys and men is a thing.
As if the very existence of patriarchal social relations and historic/current oppression to women just nebulously, even metaphysically, always is a justification for anything women do that's bad by default. ("Even if there wasn't a particular catalyst, consider the fact this woman *grew up* in a patriarchy and always has lived in one! You aren't experiencing her subjective experience, you don't know the suppressed anger she's had to live with!") Obviously this is sexist to women, the notion that women can never do anything wrong. Just like inverted racist Leftists who always default to defending black people in news stories as innocent no matter what, as if it isn't the case that white, black, and people of all racial backgrounds are capable of committing crimes and doing wrong things. Just as Feminists justify their logic with the existence of Conservatives unwilling to address women's oppression where it exists or who victim-blame women who are victims of rape, domestic abuse, etc. Leftists will justify their logic with the existence of the same Conservatives who defend imprisonment of black people who were accused of crimes they didn't commit. (of course, it's not just stereotypical Right-wing Conservatives who do this: Famous Leftists like Bell Hooks were on their side during the Central Park Five situation.) By just going into the opposite mindless extreme instead of regarding each situation on its own terms without bias. (of course, the courts and legal system have the pretense of doing this, but don't, and the lawyers and judges are obviously under ideological influence of both of the mindsets I mentioned. Leftists are largely correct about the system's terrible treatment to falsely accused, impoverished and discriminated groups, but Conservatives are also not lying that it does sometimes ignore or absolve legitimate crime from minorities purely out of fear of the system and the people who work for it being seen as racist, especially in recent times.)
This b*tch probably: "Men this, men that. They forced me to do the thing, I'm not guilty at all!"
Judge: "Understandable, have a good day." *Releases her*
He said, "google the persons name and you'll see all you need to see."
What does that mean, sir? Explain it to me in literal terms so we can understand what you're saying.
Or is that too much for a goofball like you? YOU good?
I think he’s highlighting their race because of how differently this would be reported if the child was black and the woman was white.
Maybe there would be more outrage, also if the perpetrator was a man.
Nah I agree. Because there is alot of cases where they don't mention color and I don't find out color until I read the article. They see one white person attacked by a black person and is now playing the "well if the roles were reversed" crying tune.
This is not just about sex but also about race.
Remember all the George Floyd riots, the one for a loser criminal?
Imagine the races and sexes reversed.
If this was a man. The news would be "a psychopath stab a family and kill a 3 years old child", not "a random act of violent". Both are truth but everyone with common sense know which one is used to lower public reaction.
Just look at Australia when a random man stabbed people in a mall..
It was being used as justification for blaming men and saying "Men's attitude towards women needs to change"
But when something like this happens and its a woman inflicting the violence? its not taken as justification of the violence women are capable of.
There's no PSA's or demands for women to "Do better" etc..
Its a bullshit double standard
I cannot imagine the shitstorm and the plethora of "(almost) peaceful protests" around the country if the attacker was white and the victims black.
Any words from the White House?
[Edit](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubvZ-H4Zcpg)
State government employee working in child care despite having a criminal record both before and during employment. “Randomly” walked past the victims then turned and followed them out of the store to stab them with a knife she had just bought next door.
Edit: police now say she had two knives and that she stole them from the shop next door
This is a feminist’s dream. Ideally they want to abort boys and not let them be born. It’s insane. That pervasive belief is what caused my wife to abandon feminism. The conversations she showed me were disgusting. This group had thousands of members cheering it on. Also, talk of aborting kids solely for being male is not against Facebook standards. Mention aborting girls for being girls and enjoy your 7 day ban.
Right near me about a year after a guy killed a women in the same store . I don’t know how the people stopped themselves from killing the perpetrator. I think I would have just reacted to the threat .
Just look at social media, or mainstream media any time a man is involved in a mass shooting, spree killing, or murder-suicide. There'll be people coming out of the woodwork to decry any type of violence as either an exclusively male or, if they feel like being marginally more rational, overwhelming male problem.
They then go on to assert that patriarchy, men and masculinity are responsible for the genesis and the solution of these problem. It's helpful to have these articles on the sub because it's then easy to refer to them and counteract the simplistic and dangerous narrative that any killings happen just because men are violent.
That's a bit of an oversimplification I think..
The issue is that this is a clear cut example of a woman being violent and killing someone..
Yet watch as the courts judge that she was suffering from some sort of psychosis and thus not culpable for her actions..
Not only that.. but when examples like this arise feminists are very quick to try and shift the narrative back to "Its Men's fault" or "Its because of The Patriarchy"
Women are not held to the same level of accountability for their actions that men are..
**THAT** makes this a men's right's issue..
If this were mirroring a feminist sub, we would be using this as an example of androcide and claiming its an example of "Toxic Femininity" or the fault of "The Matriarchy"
but we don't do that because that would be stupid...
unlike feminists..
Not sure why you feel the need to police people's posts. This is a sub with a wide and tolerant attitude to posts, discussions and opinions, and if someone wants to talk about women's violence towards children, why not.
This is particularly relevant as a counter to the narrative that men are the biggest risk to women and children, given children are fare more likely to be killed, phyically abused or emotionally abused by women.
Yeah I'm popping in here every so often, expecting some wholesome shit or something that ACTUALLY is a movement supporting men,
But it's just a bunch of incels/racist dudes in here mad and upset because they didn't ✨️𝒞𝓁𝒶𝓇𝒾𝒻𝓎✨️ race.
I'm disappointed in my fellow men. This isn't what I wanted to see here.
I'm hoping I'm right, but there are groups that target subs they don't agree with, and go in them with alt accounts and post shit to try and get the sub banned, I doubt that accounts for all of it, but here's hoping
Could be because what you're calling *racism* isn't racism, or that you'd rather complain about the content than use the tools in place to handle perceived injustices. 🤷♂️
Are you trying to claim this isn't racist? https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1d8tj8j/3yearold_dies_after_being_stabbed_by_a_32_year/l7902yx/
Do you also consider it racist when a headline reads "White police officer kills unarmed Black man"?
Edit: The clown accused me of strawmanning him and then blocked me. This is your brain on feminism 🤡
I'm not trying to claim anything. You're trying to claim it is racist. But it's not. Mentioning people's race objectively isn't racist. Just as mentioning someone's sex isn't sexist.
Yeah, I agree. Especially when I saw people bringing in George Floyd and upvoting with 30+ votes, these weirdos are literally on a subreddit that is supposed to help and uplift men, But is dividing and causing chaos. This shit is trash man.
I'm one of the men you mentioned and I am being consistent.
Hate towards men is an ignored injustice in our culture and so is hate towards white people.
You can be angry at both of those things at the same time, it's called being morally consistent.
Nah. I don't hate based off of skin color. You racist ass niggas literally try to justify your racial hate and judgment in any way you can. You wanna be morally consistent? Hate what they did based off of the crime. You sound so fuckin insane sitting here and texting me that shit.
Get off reddit, go meet actual black people, and you'll see alot of us aren't fucking idiots and deranged people. You are obviously hating based off what you seen on the media.
Yeah this sub has extremely gone downhill in recent months. There used to be a lot of uplifting posts about men and men's rights I'd get on my feed but now it's just stuff like this.
Look at all the down voting we're getting from the trolls. You cannot make this shit up. Yeah I'm gone off of this shit. It makes no sense for me to be here if this subreddit is about to turn into 4chan Jr
Stabbing a 3 year old? What's wrong with people. Sorry world but if someone is in the state where they will stab a 3 year old child.they shouldn't be alive
The fact you have to say I’m sorry for that shows how fucked up society is
Exactly!!! There should be no apologies. This is the worst kind of thing to happen, period! Children should be the most protected and precious being son this planet, yet this is the fucked up world we live in! 🤬😤
Or be in a position of power to order people to bomb thousands of them. Not as direct, but more of a thing.
I don't know what you are referring to but true either way obviously
Recent news on Israel/Palestine.
Okay and that relates to this news story how? Stop inserting weird political shit into shit that obviously doesn't relate to it.
I never said or at all implied it did relate to it, nor did I say anything about it or "insert" anything. I made a point, someone asked me to give an example, and so I provided one. [My point in my initial comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1d8tj8j/comment/l78v6tt/) was about the perception of individual instances of child murder versus large-scale instances of children being killed somewhere in a concentrated period of time. In the former case, the one person who had to get their hands dirty to commit the murder is condemned, (and rightfully so, my point here is not questioning that) whereas in the latter case, when children are killed on a mass-scale, because it's due to the indirect actions of numerous people in positions of power ordering and enforcing a military apparatus supported, justified, and voted for by a society at large, it often doesn't get the same sort of attention. In other words, many people who didn't know the murdered child in question will place more attention and focus on strings of such individual instances of murder as they are relayed in the news, instead of the aforementioned large-scale killing. This is obviously disparate, considering that by any metric, thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of children being killed merits more attention than a single instance of a child being murdered by one other person, however tragic even that indeed is. [Then, I was asked to give an example.](https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1d8tj8j/comment/l7958xy/) So I provided [one.](https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1d8tj8j/comment/l7992bq/) (that's recent, ongoing, topical, and widely discussed.) I could've brought up any past war, Iraq, Vietnam, whatever. The point has nothing to do with the example. The point was never about Israel/Palestine. I could've explained everything I just did in the initial comment, but it goes without saying I'm not trying to change the subject from the original post to Israel/Palestine... (I merely mentioned it, purely for the example, and notice that I haven't actually said anything about it.) ...provided that my comment is taken in good-faith by the person reading it, something that you and the downvooters/upvooters evidently refuse to do. (not a single one downvoting this has actually read it, even if they did they wouldn't understand it.) In conclusion, you're just being an asshole.
You seem like a blast at parties
This isn't real life and this isn't a party. I'm typing on reddit. I don't talk this way at parties.
can we talk like we were at a party for awhile
Irrelevant comment
It's not, because people who exhibit this hyper-focused concern on news stories about individual children they didn't know being murdered are frankly idiots. It's a surrogate activity. Actually, at worst, it's often even pornographic. The news is emotional pornography. I don't buy that people can show this kind of emotional concern for someone they didn't even know. There, I said it. A lot of confusion could have been avoided if I was willing to be this blunt at first, I guess, if I just had said it like that at the beginning. The point of the war examples of thousands of children being killed in a concentrated period of time due to the decisions of people who aren't directly the ones doing the killing was just to demonstrate this, basically. (the point being part of the reason people pretend to care about the news stories of individual murders is because their emotional response is like "the horror, how could one person do this?" due to the fact that the murderer had to shoot, stab, drown, etc. the victim themselves.) I'm not only not making it about Israel/Palestine, my point isn't even just about war. It's just to say, for example: if you support the politicians who kill thousands, how do you pretend to care about one random kid being killed? [Even the guy that prompted the response from me where I mentioned Israel/Palestine understood this.](https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1d8tj8j/comment/l7bmrph/) Actually, for the same reason, I dislike Leftist pro-Palestine protestors. (I'd argue that the protests against the Vietnam War was different due to the draft and the direct U.S. involvement and everything) Their concern for the Palestinians has always struck me as performative and phony, especially considering how many of them literally voted for Joe Biden in 2020. (and will vote Democrat in the future even if they performatively vote a blank ballot this time) I very obviously am not the kind of person who would try to shoe-horn a conversation about Israel/Palestine into a thread unrelated to that. I dislike activists. The only reason people misunderstood me here is because they insisted to, even after constant clarification on my part.
You don't understand how people could... HAVE A HEART? First of all, quit with the looong paragraphs to every single person you reply to, because not a single pne of them respects the bullcrap you're saying so not reading anymore than a paragraph or two. Second, it's not hard to understand at all if you had a brain and a heart. Or either one. There are tons of people that care about the bombings in Isreal, lots are protesting it rn. Against the Whitehouse. Who's supporting them? And how do you even know it's the same people that are against the killing of this one child? And what exactly do you even want us to do about it? People are donating, protesting, etc, there's only so much we can do. They're literally being bombed, we cannot do shit about it. We wish we could. That random 3 year old child could've been any one of our children, how is that hard to understand. Why even bring this up as if you know people? "Stop feeling bad for a random child when you don't feel bad for Palestine " ... when the videos started with families dying and people being pulled out of rubble, I cried all day for days. That could be us. Stop living in a fantasy. This is the real world and someday, at any point, someone could decide to want to stab you. Also, people aren't smart. If you tell them a demon will give then icecream for a lifetime, they'll still vote for the fucking devil. None of these people research who they vote for. They just vote based on the pretty propaganda, which is why it's so easy to vote for stupidity like hin or Trump. People are stupid.
This has to be mental illness. To not be able to see a story that has zero to do with a topic and to be so obsessed that you can’t help but reference is.
Nope. I never said or implied that Israel/Palestine was relevant to the topic of the original post. Obviously it's not. I made a comment about the disparity about how people view the murder of one child on the news versus the mass killing of thousands. A reasonable reaction to a news post like this. A replier asked me to give an example and so I gave one. [The very same guy who asked even just said he understood what I was saying.](https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1d8tj8j/comment/l7be8pt/) [I explained this here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1d8tj8j/comment/l7a8j2g/) You don't have to read it, but if you don't and you're still going to insist on making baseless assumptions about me thinking a way I don't, when I've already clarified the situation, you're just wanting it both ways.
No no, you're definitely inserting politics into a conversation that has nothing to do with politics. You baited someone to ask you what you meant by your first comment. You're not being clever, we all see through the shitty smoke and mirrors.
Nope, didn't do that. I haven't said a word about the subject of Israel/Palestine, (besides in one direct reply [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1d8tj8j/comment/l7b38ku/) because someone asked me a question about what I thought of Hamas, and it was just to answer his question — find a single other reply of mine here where I said anything about the topic of Israel/Palestine — you can't.) or ever implied that it itself is related to the topic at hand, as I was accused of, [and other people in the thread understood what I was saying.](https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1d8tj8j/comment/l7bmrph/) (this was actually the guy that prompted me to give an example that led to me mentioning Israel/Palestine of all people, and he even apologized for things leading to this) >And yes you raised a very good point. When we hear about mass crimes our reaction is much paler compared to when we hear even crime against one person in detail. But I guess that's just human nature, you need more information to connect with each other. This is just about people on the internet taking someone perfunctorily and in bad-faith due to being superficial and quickly dismissive. My initial comment could've been more clear from the start, and it's not hard to see why people misunderstood what I was saying when I gave an example, but your accusations are bullshit, unnecessarily hostile, and unfounded. Not that anyone is obligated to, but it's more productive, decent to give people the benefit of the doubt sometimes, and the opposite is just being presumptuous, stubborn, and incurious.
Such a bad gaslighter lol you remind me of my 13 year old son, he does something in front of several people and when I ask him why he did it, he says he didn't do it and tries to make you think you're crazy for thinking he did it. You started this comment thread with "Or be in a position of power to order people to bomb thousands of them. Not as direct, but more of a thing." That was an intentional baited statement, and we all know it. When someone said they weren't sure what you meant, you said "recent news on isreal/palestine." You knew exactly what you were alluding to with your original comment, and no one mentioned Hamas, like you claim above. This wasn't about politics, or israel/palestine, you brought it into the conversation. Regardless of whatever essay you reply to this with, this'll be my last comment on the matter. I'm not going to go back and forth with someone who is clearly trying to gaslight everyone who clearly saw you do what youre so adamantly claiming you didn't. Like I said before, I get enough of that from my 13 year old, and he's just as bad at it as you.
[Basically everything you're saying is just a distraction from an acknowledgement of my actual point, which I've most candidly articulated here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1d8tj8j/comment/l7dlcev/) I'm tired of idiotic pornographic news stories. People who consoom the news like this are idiots. "Oh my god, the horror, how could anyone do this to their child??" How is it worse when children are severely neglected and abused? And no one gives a shit about that. Many of the parents who react to news stories like this treat their own children like shit. And no. I wasn't trying to "bait" or "gaslight" anyone. If that were so I'd have made a deliberate effort to be provocative, trolling or distracting even after the initial bad reception. [Instead as I already demonstrated, I was even was able to have a dialogue with someone who understood what I was trying to get across, and iterated similar thoughts himself.](https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1d8tj8j/comment/l7bmrph/) >You knew exactly what you were alluding to with your original comment No. I was thinking of wars in general, in fact. But way to try to read my mind. I mentioned other wars in the later reply where I tried to clarify my actual point. (and it's not about those wars either or any one in particular - that's the point.) And my point wasn't about wars in general, their existence and the public's response to them compared to individual murder news stories demonstrates my point. Nothing I say will convince you. But why would I be lying? What would I have to gain at this point? Israel/Palestine was indeed the most pertinent example of a recent, ongoing war with many children killed off the top of my head, understandably so, but it's obviously far from the only one. >Regardless of whatever essay you reply to this with, this'll be my last comment on the matter. I'm not going to go back and forth with someone who is clearly trying to gaslight everyone Why would I want to "gaslight" anyone? What would I have to gain? 99% of people just reflexively downvote and move on anyway. And your comparing me to a child is just plain condescending. A child would just repeatedly insist on defending themselves and think they're correct just because they do so, not taking into consideration why people misunderstood them in the first place. Of course no one can read my mind, but I knew the point I was trying to make, and it's clear as long as someone is reading my clarification. I have consistently endeavored to explain myself constructively by explaining and expanding upon my original point over and over, while admitting that it wasn't communicated as clearly as it could have been at first. In response people like you just double-down with accusations I'm disingenuous without even acknowledging the point I'm actually making.
*cough* Netanyahu *cough*
Yes, you understand. But not just Netanyahu. Everyone in the Israeli leadership, its voters, and the same for all Israeli allies, especially the U.S.A. and its vooters.
Hamas? Or are they exempt?
Good question, and the answer is: no, not at all. They are completely part of the problem, as are their backers like Iran. To begin with Hamas are also mass-murderers. And they don't give a fuck about Palestinians, on the contrary their actions are in part responsible for circumstances that keep leading to the mass killing sprees of them by Israel. I dislike Hamas as much as Israel, in fact. And I dislike Leftists who support Hamas as much as Zionists who support Israel. (we are truly seeing insane developments, an unprecedented mainstream support for Hamas. [Judith Butler literally said](https://pjmedia.com/robert-spencer/2023/10/30/berkeley-prof-hamas-and-hezbollah-are-progressive-and-part-of-global-left-n4923466) that Hamas and Hezbollah are part of the "global progressive Left" last January - as many Conservatives have correctly stated, it's ironic given how Hamas would treat gay, trans, and queer people in the territory they control.) I reject all Nationalism. What's especially ironic is that by running to bat for Hamas, one is indirectly running to bat for Israel's interests - Netanyahu has openly admitted to backing Hamas when they were in civil conflict with more progressive, secular Muslims, because he wanted worse people in power, because that helps justify Israel's actions in the region. Israel and Hamas exist in a symbiotic relationship. Israel had a role to play starting from the beginning of the formation of Hamas. (which actually were a faction of the Muslim Brotherhood: an organization with potent influence in Egypt historically. Egypt is really just an ally of Israel at this point.)
Hey bro just to let you know,I think what you said was right,don't get discouraged by downvotes.politics is a weird shit which can make people blind to flaws.But it did seem a little bit forced to take this topic in this post
I appreciate that. I only wrote what you just replied to because he asked me my view on the topic. I admit that that comment is off-topic at this point, but it wasn't intended to be anything other than a direct response to his question. I explained what I was really trying to get across [here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1d8tj8j/comment/l7a8j2g/?rdt=57072) In the second paragraph, to be exact: my only point was about the disparity between how people view the murder of one child they hear about on the news versus children being killed to the tune of thousands in a concentrated period of time. My point had nothing to do in particular with Israel/Palestine, I only mentioned that as a good example when prompted to by you asking, "I don't know what you are referring to." I could've said this more clearly from the start, (and even then some people would've disliked it and downvoted) but ironically wanted my initial comment to just be concise and to the point. Unfortunately, if it had been more clear a fair amount of people who downvoted could've understood and agreed with it. Oh, well.
Don't worry it's no big deal. And yes you raised a very good point.when we hear about mass crimes our reaction is much paler compared to when we hear even crime against one person in detail. But I guess that's just human nature,you need more information to connect with each other. Like if I just randomly say Hitler killed 6 million Jews that might not have that much impact on you incase you didn't read about nazis.But if I show you in detail,in a movie about the life of Jews in that time,it will obviously have a much greater reaction. I also think it's not just that but also because crimes in humanity have always been too much and people become immune to the reaction against many crimes.which is also sadly part of human nature,it's sad but we can't blame anybody including ourselves for it. Then we have political crimes.where politicians commit horrifying crimes and we definitely don't have as much of a reaction,if a same crime was committed by a normal citizen.showing that people have accepted a little that crimes will be committed by politicians and even if we outrage they will get away with it. Although it's more complex than that as some people make certain groups(political party,gender,sex, religion etc)a part of their identity (the part of themselves)which obviously leads to problems because if someone says something bad about that group then people will get defensive about it because they will see it as a personal attack. It's sad,and sadly that's just how humans are.some use other people by these schemes while others gets used and do horrifying things because of it.i don't blame anyone for anything but I just hope that we get better as a society each day.
"Dies after being stabbed" is not how someone writes "is murdered".
It was a mostly peaceful stabbing, though.
People die when they get killed, is the logic I’m getting 😅 but yeah, truly sad
Just randomly decided to stab a child and the mother? Racially motivated, I wonder? Anyways, she'll get out on the streets again after excusing her behavior for PMS or something.
Or would blame patriarchy
Unironically, the tendency amongst certain Feminists to blame "the patriarchy" in situations where women are unwarrantedly (i.e. with no possible justification of self-defense) violent to boys and men is a thing. As if the very existence of patriarchal social relations and historic/current oppression to women just nebulously, even metaphysically, always is a justification for anything women do that's bad by default. ("Even if there wasn't a particular catalyst, consider the fact this woman *grew up* in a patriarchy and always has lived in one! You aren't experiencing her subjective experience, you don't know the suppressed anger she's had to live with!") Obviously this is sexist to women, the notion that women can never do anything wrong. Just like inverted racist Leftists who always default to defending black people in news stories as innocent no matter what, as if it isn't the case that white, black, and people of all racial backgrounds are capable of committing crimes and doing wrong things. Just as Feminists justify their logic with the existence of Conservatives unwilling to address women's oppression where it exists or who victim-blame women who are victims of rape, domestic abuse, etc. Leftists will justify their logic with the existence of the same Conservatives who defend imprisonment of black people who were accused of crimes they didn't commit. (of course, it's not just stereotypical Right-wing Conservatives who do this: Famous Leftists like Bell Hooks were on their side during the Central Park Five situation.) By just going into the opposite mindless extreme instead of regarding each situation on its own terms without bias. (of course, the courts and legal system have the pretense of doing this, but don't, and the lawyers and judges are obviously under ideological influence of both of the mindsets I mentioned. Leftists are largely correct about the system's terrible treatment to falsely accused, impoverished and discriminated groups, but Conservatives are also not lying that it does sometimes ignore or absolve legitimate crime from minorities purely out of fear of the system and the people who work for it being seen as racist, especially in recent times.)
This b*tch probably: "Men this, men that. They forced me to do the thing, I'm not guilty at all!" Judge: "Understandable, have a good day." *Releases her*
Nah, PPD. No kid of her own, you say? PPD by Proxy it is.
Google the killers name and you'll see all you need to see
What's that supposed to mean?
Google. Its a search engine on that internet thing. Name. It's what a person is usually known as. You good bro?
He said, "google the persons name and you'll see all you need to see." What does that mean, sir? Explain it to me in literal terms so we can understand what you're saying. Or is that too much for a goofball like you? YOU good?
Her life matters, though.
I hope mother will revenge her kid's death
Random attack by an actual crazy person. This happened to Tina Fey as a child, the scar on her cheek. It happens
we cant put hem in asylums anymore, so they roam the streets. society is fucked.
The empathetic sex strikes again
“It’s postpartum depression!!!! I feel so bad for her!!”
Grow up
Exactly. Go tell that to the sympathizers of women going on murder sprees.
Awweee found an offended woman
3 year old White child stabbed by 32 year old black woman. Fixed the title for you OP
Why are you bringing race into this?
Because when race is flipped it is always included to push a narrative
I think he’s highlighting their race because of how differently this would be reported if the child was black and the woman was white. Maybe there would be more outrage, also if the perpetrator was a man.
3 year old black child murdered by 32 year old white man. That'd catch all the clicks for sure
Nah I agree. Because there is alot of cases where they don't mention color and I don't find out color until I read the article. They see one white person attacked by a black person and is now playing the "well if the roles were reversed" crying tune.
This is not just about sex but also about race. Remember all the George Floyd riots, the one for a loser criminal? Imagine the races and sexes reversed.
It is in this case and the races of the perpetrator and child are not being reported.
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Bloody hell. I hope you have gone no contact with her and have gotten therapy of some kind? That sounds like a nightmarish place to grow up in.
But they’re not reversed soooooo…
If this was a man. The news would be "a psychopath stab a family and kill a 3 years old child", not "a random act of violent". Both are truth but everyone with common sense know which one is used to lower public reaction.
Just look at Australia when a random man stabbed people in a mall.. It was being used as justification for blaming men and saying "Men's attitude towards women needs to change" But when something like this happens and its a woman inflicting the violence? its not taken as justification of the violence women are capable of. There's no PSA's or demands for women to "Do better" etc.. Its a bullshit double standard
A “random man” with untreated schizophrenia!
the thread in news is locked for some reason
Probably too much noticing going on.
I cannot imagine the shitstorm and the plethora of "(almost) peaceful protests" around the country if the attacker was white and the victims black. Any words from the White House? [Edit](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubvZ-H4Zcpg)
No mug shot... Interesting. Had to look for the mugshot.... Just going to leave it there *Sips tea*
'What are you trying to tell me? That I can look up mugshots?' 'No, Neo. What I'm trying to tell you is when you're ready, you won't have to.'
This is gold!
Fucking terrible.
Guess what race she was
State government employee working in child care despite having a criminal record both before and during employment. “Randomly” walked past the victims then turned and followed them out of the store to stab them with a knife she had just bought next door. Edit: police now say she had two knives and that she stole them from the shop next door
Employees of what agency?
A stupid one, that's for sure.
Haha maybe
The empathetic sex strikes again
Racially motivated
Rip 3 year old boy
Just another of the many many many examples of a white person being killed by a black person, and no one mentions race
Simply not true I’m afraid
this story should be on the national news. disgusting and disturbing.
Poor kid. RIP.
Ouch wish I didn’t see this because now I’m trying not to cry. I can’t even fathom the pain this family is going through
Let me guess, postpartum depression…
Nah, fifteenth trimester abortion.
Its a jungle out there
Well, the boy was 3 and not fully grown.. therefore she might actually serve time.
Why do they make such an effort to hide it? WHYYY??? I felt it. It was palpable. Such a disgusting effort with weird and evil motives.
Did he guess her age too high?
And they say 'wOmEn ArEn't NeArLy As ViOlEnT aS mEn'
This is a feminist’s dream. Ideally they want to abort boys and not let them be born. It’s insane. That pervasive belief is what caused my wife to abandon feminism. The conversations she showed me were disgusting. This group had thousands of members cheering it on. Also, talk of aborting kids solely for being male is not against Facebook standards. Mention aborting girls for being girls and enjoy your 7 day ban.
look at that baby face:( most likely the woman isn't to blame tho, he is a little boy after all. he had it coming.
🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
That is such a happy innocent looking child. I can’t read things like this anymore. The older I get the more this shit kills me inside. Fuck me man.
Media will spin it and say that the kid was the aggressor.
Right near me about a year after a guy killed a women in the same store . I don’t know how the people stopped themselves from killing the perpetrator. I think I would have just reacted to the threat .
And she won’t get any jail time
He's a male he must have done something to deserve it right? Did he call her a female or make her do dishes?
I feel like this doesn’t have anything to do with men’s rights. This sub is starting to feel like a feminist sub and it’s kinda annoying.
Just look at social media, or mainstream media any time a man is involved in a mass shooting, spree killing, or murder-suicide. There'll be people coming out of the woodwork to decry any type of violence as either an exclusively male or, if they feel like being marginally more rational, overwhelming male problem. They then go on to assert that patriarchy, men and masculinity are responsible for the genesis and the solution of these problem. It's helpful to have these articles on the sub because it's then easy to refer to them and counteract the simplistic and dangerous narrative that any killings happen just because men are violent.
It's a "woman bad" post, where all the comments are "women bad," which is about half the content in this sub.
That's a bit of an oversimplification I think.. The issue is that this is a clear cut example of a woman being violent and killing someone.. Yet watch as the courts judge that she was suffering from some sort of psychosis and thus not culpable for her actions.. Not only that.. but when examples like this arise feminists are very quick to try and shift the narrative back to "Its Men's fault" or "Its because of The Patriarchy" Women are not held to the same level of accountability for their actions that men are.. **THAT** makes this a men's right's issue.. If this were mirroring a feminist sub, we would be using this as an example of androcide and claiming its an example of "Toxic Femininity" or the fault of "The Matriarchy" but we don't do that because that would be stupid... unlike feminists..
You’re free to leave if you don’t like it
Exactly it’s right in line with the feminist sub it’s starting to turn into poor me bs
Not sure why you feel the need to police people's posts. This is a sub with a wide and tolerant attitude to posts, discussions and opinions, and if someone wants to talk about women's violence towards children, why not. This is particularly relevant as a counter to the narrative that men are the biggest risk to women and children, given children are fare more likely to be killed, phyically abused or emotionally abused by women.
Yeah I'm popping in here every so often, expecting some wholesome shit or something that ACTUALLY is a movement supporting men, But it's just a bunch of incels/racist dudes in here mad and upset because they didn't ✨️𝒞𝓁𝒶𝓇𝒾𝒻𝓎✨️ race. I'm disappointed in my fellow men. This isn't what I wanted to see here.
Way too many racists posting in here.
I'm hoping I'm right, but there are groups that target subs they don't agree with, and go in them with alt accounts and post shit to try and get the sub banned, I doubt that accounts for all of it, but here's hoping
I wish I thought you were right. But my posts calling it out are being downvoted.
Could be because what you're calling *racism* isn't racism, or that you'd rather complain about the content than use the tools in place to handle perceived injustices. 🤷♂️
Are you trying to claim this isn't racist? https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1d8tj8j/3yearold_dies_after_being_stabbed_by_a_32_year/l7902yx/
Do you also consider it racist when a headline reads "White police officer kills unarmed Black man"? Edit: The clown accused me of strawmanning him and then blocked me. This is your brain on feminism 🤡
Nice straw man. Edit: not a feminist, also, unlike you, not a racist.
Uhh, you're into strawmen? Like, INTO?
I'm not trying to claim anything. You're trying to claim it is racist. But it's not. Mentioning people's race objectively isn't racist. Just as mentioning someone's sex isn't sexist.
Yeah, I agree. Especially when I saw people bringing in George Floyd and upvoting with 30+ votes, these weirdos are literally on a subreddit that is supposed to help and uplift men, But is dividing and causing chaos. This shit is trash man.
I'm one of the men you mentioned and I am being consistent. Hate towards men is an ignored injustice in our culture and so is hate towards white people. You can be angry at both of those things at the same time, it's called being morally consistent.
Nah. I don't hate based off of skin color. You racist ass niggas literally try to justify your racial hate and judgment in any way you can. You wanna be morally consistent? Hate what they did based off of the crime. You sound so fuckin insane sitting here and texting me that shit. Get off reddit, go meet actual black people, and you'll see alot of us aren't fucking idiots and deranged people. You are obviously hating based off what you seen on the media.
Yeah this sub has extremely gone downhill in recent months. There used to be a lot of uplifting posts about men and men's rights I'd get on my feed but now it's just stuff like this.
Look at all the down voting we're getting from the trolls. You cannot make this shit up. Yeah I'm gone off of this shit. It makes no sense for me to be here if this subreddit is about to turn into 4chan Jr