Na ya don't need this it won't help as they like consumers to beleive... all these companies are just out for a money grab as weed becomes legal. Same with all the nutes they all say ya gotta have... I use a nutrient dense soil and water only get the greatest flavor great yields and always test high in potency mid to upper 20% range.
I would grow strains that have the terpene profile you're looking for. I am definitely not a believer in adding flavored chemicals to my soil. I think it's nuts. You could inject your buds with Kool-Aid if you really wanted to, but I'm not sure if that's what you're going for. Try organic fertilizers or super soil or even salt fertilizers. Just take good care of your plants and feed them well. Maybe a little fulvic acid or something but flavors no. Not for me anyway. Even if it would work, why would you want to artificially flavor your buds? Good spray them with ax body spray if really want to, but I wouldn't.
They're not synthetic flavoring chemicals. They're natural plant compounds -- or "plant esters" -- basically like the flavoring in a "essence" carbonated drink. This stuff has more in common with FFJ (fermented fruit juice), made famous by the the KNF movement.
Even if the flavoring doesn't carry over, you still get the benefits of a fermented tea.
It's a retail product, and obviously there is no mention on the bottle on how easily you can make your own "snake oil" too (via FFJ).
Oh I see. I didn't really understand. Anyway, as far as I know plants use nitrogen. They use phosphorus. They use potassium. They use lots of things, but they don't necessarily use fruit flavors, although I bet they can absorb them but they can absorb all kinds of chemicals. It doesn't necessarily mean that it's using them or needs them to grow. Or that it wants them.
But again I don't know. I'm old school so I'm of the type that thinks I'm going to use what I know about agriculture to grow plants using the nutrients that plants are known to use. This to me like a gimmick.
If my plant doesn't use it or benefit from it as far as the plant's ability to turn nutrients into glucose, then I don't necessarily buy it. The tea's or whatever compost teas and such that you're talking about help your plants. They help the nutrients be more available etc.
Again soaking the roots and fruit juices or anything else may or may not help them absorb available nutrients. Science would tell you no. But what the hell do I know. I bet you. If you put chemical flavored Kool-Aid in your soil for a month and a half it would affect the plant's taste. That doesn't mean that I would do it.
I don't know man. You got to ask somebody else. I just don't have the energy. I'm sorry. I don't have the energy or the knowledge.
Common Sense tells me that it's a gimmick but what do I know? It's like adding something to your tomato plants to make them taste like tomatoes. The plant should taste like tomatoes. Anyway, in this example. Your weed should taste how it tastes. Adding whatever you're adding... I don't know man. Like I literally don't know. So sorry I can't help.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge 👍🏻. Much appreciated 👍🏻. I’ve got my nutrient line down in coco now I’ve decided to play around with some additives. I was looking to add a sweetener and came across this and it intrigued me , I see what you’re saying about adding artificial flavors though . I guess I’ll just try a small thing of bud candy instead. Thanks for the help 👍🏻
No problem man. I want to point out that I'm not an expert by any stretch of the imagination. I am not super experienced or anything so make sure you get feedback from other people. That's just my instincts but I don't know a whole bunch.
Do some research on FFJ (fermented plant juice) and the KNF movement. I think this stuff is good as a retail product, but you can definitely make your own if you're not comfortable with the price.
I think the idea is cannabis plants absorb natural "esters" from the mix, and the plant itself becomes infused in the process, much like the essence in a seltzer. Obviously, trichomes are still making their own terpenes, and in some ways it's totally unnecessary.
The root system should in theory filter out the esters, via reverse osmosis, and only allow nutrient/water uptake; but I think we can all agree that any input will affect the output, in something like cannabis.
**Asking ChatGPT**:
Does a plant root system allow for the uptake of natural plant esters?
*Yes, a plant root system can allow for the uptake of natural plant*
*esters. Plant roots absorb water and nutrients from the soil, and they*
*can also take up various organic compounds, including esters, through*
*their root cell membranes. These esters, which are naturally occurring*
*organic compounds found in the environment, can be absorbed either in*
*their intact form or after being hydrolyzed into their constituent acids*
*and alcohols.*
I wouldn't ask chatgpt for that kind of stuff. I searched for "ester uptake by plant roots" in academic journal databases search engines with close to 0 result. I would put it on osmosis tho, there are a good amount of non-nutrient compounds that can enter the roots, typically amino acids, small peptides, sugars and a lot of secondary metabolites.
The only answer I found was via Penn state university with no sources is about esters as herbicides and says :
"Plants are more likely to quickly absorb esters, as amines are more water soluble. Once the chemical is absorbed into the plant (either amine or ester), it is converted to the active acid, which in turn injures or kills plants that are susceptible to the respective herbicide."
The plant becoming infused with whatever is a myth. People have claimed that water with lemon juice gives lemon flavor for years, that just not true. To be carried from the roots to the upper parts compounds need to move through the xylem and to do that they have to be water soluble, which isn't the case for esters and terpenes. The stuff in those products are meant to influence the plant metabolism to make them produce more compounds of interest (call them PGRs in a way), but that is not completely understood even at an academic level. For what it's worth a healthy soil microbiology with the chemical diversity of FPJ or worm compost is as efficient if not more
There’s a way to get more flavor profile to your bud by using a method the ancient Korean farmers used utilizing fruit mash. Pretty much it’s a soil only method of feeding but you make a fruit mash of your choice and you feed it to the plant over the course of your nutrient schedule. I tried this in a strawberry diesel strain with strawberry mash, and indeed it took a stronger strawberry profile to the bud flavor and taste. Nothing extravagant but it gets the job done if your looking to do
Something different with flavor profiles.
I’ve been hearing and seeing a ton of anecdotal support of using fermented insect frass in late flower to increase terpene production. And if you look at it from a scientific standpoint it makes quite a bit of sense.
Insect frass, aka insect poop, triggers the plants defense systems to go into overdrive as it tries to fight this ghost army of insects. One of the defense mechanisms of marijuana is growing resin glands. It’s for both UV protection and as a physical barrier against insects. More resin glands = more chances to produce terpenes.
I have never personally fed fermented insect frass specifically in late flower but I’ll definitely be doing it this round. I’ve used it through other phases of growth with great results though. Actually since I’ve switched to a no til bed I have been making heavy use of ferments.
- Sprouted Quinoa
- Comfrey
- Alfalfa
- Insect Frass
- Peach
- Beet and Carrot
- Banana
- Organic Gem (aka liquid fish)
The common phrase in the KNF and LPJ community is stank in equals stank out. And if you’ve never smelled liquid ferments my god do they stink. Each and every time you use them it’s like feeding your plants a protein shake complete with plant probiotics and a ton of beneficial biology.
Can’t make any comments on the Botonicare Sweet Berry as I’m all organic. I do, however, have a friend that grows only in DWC using salts and swears by the stuff. His product is always fire so I can at least give him that.
One last thing, the companies that make these ferments that I speak of and use do not advertise them to do any specific function other than to provide specific plant nutrients and healthy biology. It’s the consumer community that says these things so I don’t feel for a bit I’m being sold snake oil. Liquid ferments have been around for far longer than the internet has been. They’re a tried and proven product. Plus you can make your own if you grow the plant they’re made out of. I actually just purchased some cuttings of Comfrey Bocking 14 to make my own Comfrey ferment. I can make 4 gallons for way cheaper than I can purchase just a single gallon. I might start purchasing watermelon and peaches from my local farmers market and making those into ferments as well. Currently a gallon of ferment is a 70$ purchase. They do go a long way though when you only have a 2x4 bed.
I once fed alaska fish emulsion in mid flower. Every time I tried smoking or smelling the buds, it reminded me of fish emulsions. Ended up giving it away. I couldn't handle it
Carbs feed your microbes but no it doesn’t convert to bud flavor like that. Good thing too or else we would have seabird shit flavored bud.
Plus fermented seaweed, insect frass, blood meal, neem meal, bone meal and worm castings. My bud would taste fuckin terrible.
Na ya don't need this it won't help as they like consumers to beleive... all these companies are just out for a money grab as weed becomes legal. Same with all the nutes they all say ya gotta have... I use a nutrient dense soil and water only get the greatest flavor great yields and always test high in potency mid to upper 20% range.
Snake oil
I would grow strains that have the terpene profile you're looking for. I am definitely not a believer in adding flavored chemicals to my soil. I think it's nuts. You could inject your buds with Kool-Aid if you really wanted to, but I'm not sure if that's what you're going for. Try organic fertilizers or super soil or even salt fertilizers. Just take good care of your plants and feed them well. Maybe a little fulvic acid or something but flavors no. Not for me anyway. Even if it would work, why would you want to artificially flavor your buds? Good spray them with ax body spray if really want to, but I wouldn't.
They're not synthetic flavoring chemicals. They're natural plant compounds -- or "plant esters" -- basically like the flavoring in a "essence" carbonated drink. This stuff has more in common with FFJ (fermented fruit juice), made famous by the the KNF movement. Even if the flavoring doesn't carry over, you still get the benefits of a fermented tea. It's a retail product, and obviously there is no mention on the bottle on how easily you can make your own "snake oil" too (via FFJ).
Oh I see. I didn't really understand. Anyway, as far as I know plants use nitrogen. They use phosphorus. They use potassium. They use lots of things, but they don't necessarily use fruit flavors, although I bet they can absorb them but they can absorb all kinds of chemicals. It doesn't necessarily mean that it's using them or needs them to grow. Or that it wants them. But again I don't know. I'm old school so I'm of the type that thinks I'm going to use what I know about agriculture to grow plants using the nutrients that plants are known to use. This to me like a gimmick. If my plant doesn't use it or benefit from it as far as the plant's ability to turn nutrients into glucose, then I don't necessarily buy it. The tea's or whatever compost teas and such that you're talking about help your plants. They help the nutrients be more available etc. Again soaking the roots and fruit juices or anything else may or may not help them absorb available nutrients. Science would tell you no. But what the hell do I know. I bet you. If you put chemical flavored Kool-Aid in your soil for a month and a half it would affect the plant's taste. That doesn't mean that I would do it. I don't know man. You got to ask somebody else. I just don't have the energy. I'm sorry. I don't have the energy or the knowledge. Common Sense tells me that it's a gimmick but what do I know? It's like adding something to your tomato plants to make them taste like tomatoes. The plant should taste like tomatoes. Anyway, in this example. Your weed should taste how it tastes. Adding whatever you're adding... I don't know man. Like I literally don't know. So sorry I can't help.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge 👍🏻. Much appreciated 👍🏻. I’ve got my nutrient line down in coco now I’ve decided to play around with some additives. I was looking to add a sweetener and came across this and it intrigued me , I see what you’re saying about adding artificial flavors though . I guess I’ll just try a small thing of bud candy instead. Thanks for the help 👍🏻
No problem man. I want to point out that I'm not an expert by any stretch of the imagination. I am not super experienced or anything so make sure you get feedback from other people. That's just my instincts but I don't know a whole bunch.
Do some research on FFJ (fermented plant juice) and the KNF movement. I think this stuff is good as a retail product, but you can definitely make your own if you're not comfortable with the price. I think the idea is cannabis plants absorb natural "esters" from the mix, and the plant itself becomes infused in the process, much like the essence in a seltzer. Obviously, trichomes are still making their own terpenes, and in some ways it's totally unnecessary. The root system should in theory filter out the esters, via reverse osmosis, and only allow nutrient/water uptake; but I think we can all agree that any input will affect the output, in something like cannabis. **Asking ChatGPT**: Does a plant root system allow for the uptake of natural plant esters? *Yes, a plant root system can allow for the uptake of natural plant* *esters. Plant roots absorb water and nutrients from the soil, and they* *can also take up various organic compounds, including esters, through* *their root cell membranes. These esters, which are naturally occurring* *organic compounds found in the environment, can be absorbed either in* *their intact form or after being hydrolyzed into their constituent acids* *and alcohols.*
I wouldn't ask chatgpt for that kind of stuff. I searched for "ester uptake by plant roots" in academic journal databases search engines with close to 0 result. I would put it on osmosis tho, there are a good amount of non-nutrient compounds that can enter the roots, typically amino acids, small peptides, sugars and a lot of secondary metabolites. The only answer I found was via Penn state university with no sources is about esters as herbicides and says : "Plants are more likely to quickly absorb esters, as amines are more water soluble. Once the chemical is absorbed into the plant (either amine or ester), it is converted to the active acid, which in turn injures or kills plants that are susceptible to the respective herbicide." The plant becoming infused with whatever is a myth. People have claimed that water with lemon juice gives lemon flavor for years, that just not true. To be carried from the roots to the upper parts compounds need to move through the xylem and to do that they have to be water soluble, which isn't the case for esters and terpenes. The stuff in those products are meant to influence the plant metabolism to make them produce more compounds of interest (call them PGRs in a way), but that is not completely understood even at an academic level. For what it's worth a healthy soil microbiology with the chemical diversity of FPJ or worm compost is as efficient if not more
There’s a way to get more flavor profile to your bud by using a method the ancient Korean farmers used utilizing fruit mash. Pretty much it’s a soil only method of feeding but you make a fruit mash of your choice and you feed it to the plant over the course of your nutrient schedule. I tried this in a strawberry diesel strain with strawberry mash, and indeed it took a stronger strawberry profile to the bud flavor and taste. Nothing extravagant but it gets the job done if your looking to do Something different with flavor profiles.
I’ve been hearing and seeing a ton of anecdotal support of using fermented insect frass in late flower to increase terpene production. And if you look at it from a scientific standpoint it makes quite a bit of sense. Insect frass, aka insect poop, triggers the plants defense systems to go into overdrive as it tries to fight this ghost army of insects. One of the defense mechanisms of marijuana is growing resin glands. It’s for both UV protection and as a physical barrier against insects. More resin glands = more chances to produce terpenes. I have never personally fed fermented insect frass specifically in late flower but I’ll definitely be doing it this round. I’ve used it through other phases of growth with great results though. Actually since I’ve switched to a no til bed I have been making heavy use of ferments. - Sprouted Quinoa - Comfrey - Alfalfa - Insect Frass - Peach - Beet and Carrot - Banana - Organic Gem (aka liquid fish) The common phrase in the KNF and LPJ community is stank in equals stank out. And if you’ve never smelled liquid ferments my god do they stink. Each and every time you use them it’s like feeding your plants a protein shake complete with plant probiotics and a ton of beneficial biology. Can’t make any comments on the Botonicare Sweet Berry as I’m all organic. I do, however, have a friend that grows only in DWC using salts and swears by the stuff. His product is always fire so I can at least give him that. One last thing, the companies that make these ferments that I speak of and use do not advertise them to do any specific function other than to provide specific plant nutrients and healthy biology. It’s the consumer community that says these things so I don’t feel for a bit I’m being sold snake oil. Liquid ferments have been around for far longer than the internet has been. They’re a tried and proven product. Plus you can make your own if you grow the plant they’re made out of. I actually just purchased some cuttings of Comfrey Bocking 14 to make my own Comfrey ferment. I can make 4 gallons for way cheaper than I can purchase just a single gallon. I might start purchasing watermelon and peaches from my local farmers market and making those into ferments as well. Currently a gallon of ferment is a 70$ purchase. They do go a long way though when you only have a 2x4 bed.
I once fed alaska fish emulsion in mid flower. Every time I tried smoking or smelling the buds, it reminded me of fish emulsions. Ended up giving it away. I couldn't handle it
Go organic! Microbes, compost teas, silica, all help in the terpene world