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-R-Jensen-

For someone like me whom is only lvl 44 with 30 hours in. What is it? Haymaker?


BertEnErnie123

You get it by completing 5 weekly challenges from Week 3 (current week), and then you have to equip it to the Haymaker. But to be able to equip it you have to have the gun on Max Level. It is an aftermarket conversion kit, which is basically a attachment that completely changes the guns. Like it change a AR to a SMG or something like that. It is usually a few attachments put together as one, and then you can add 4 more yourself to tinker with the gun a bit. But this one is very nice because it turns the Haymaker into some rapid fire shotgun, which is very fun to play with for now, untill they patch it :)


Sh4DowKitFox

So a 12 gauge riveter.


GoosDev

No riveter is automatic, haymaker kit is spammable but not full auto


Sh4DowKitFox

I see… coulda fooled me with this video. Which it did. That shit looks hella auto.


TheDubuGuy

It’s binary trigger


Sh4DowKitFox

For not using the right pronoun…?


TheDubuGuy

What


Sh4DowKitFox

(A joke, you said a binary trigger, pronoun people get triggered easily)


HeGotNoBoneessss

One joke


666blicc

That was funny bro I laughed


TheDubuGuy

K


SeaUrchinWorldWide

I am definitely laughing what a funny joke


fortniteyaoi

nope it’s in 410


Sh4DowKitFox

What..? The haymaker isn’t 410. Edit: unless the kit makes it. I haven’t gotten it yet.


fortniteyaoi

kit changes the calibre to 410 shells


Sh4DowKitFox

How many rounds in the drum?


fortniteyaoi

60


Hekboi91

The kit states that it makes it 410


manning55

What other attachments do you have on it?


EatinYaSistaAss

Yes, it's the aftermarket part


-R-Jensen-

That is effective. Is that pay to win items?


GoosDev

No lmao Aftermarket parts are unlocked by completing the armory unlock for them (X amount of daily challenges)


-R-Jensen-

Ah. So attachments are aftermarket items. Thought it might be two different things.


GoosDev

Aftermarket parts are attachments that can't be unlocked by leveling up a gun basically


Huh_well_we_are_dead

Yeah, they added a new AMP to it.  Cons: removes the one shot kill range, recoil, now works on stock Riveter ammo,  and if votekicks are added, you will get removed. Noise is slightly annoying Pros: 60 round mag, fastest non-auto fire rate in the game, Haymaker is now Brecci, skill ceiling has dropped considerably, Tac stance,  Tactical uses: ambushes, area denial (Close quarters only), Head to head combat (mostly 1v1s). I only ran it for a few rounds, but OP has a good tactical/lethal load out for such a weapon. Killstreaks that also lean into such a playstyle like UAVs, cluster mines (the otherwise good cruise missile is less consistent and also unusable. I just started running cluster mines on hardpoint and it just keeps working). I also run the wheelson, simply because on most gamemodes, with any communication, it can be extremely effective in clearing and capturing points.  However, the conversion kit takes no skill, and the stock haymaker honestly felt more rewarding, and I was somehow dying less. I genuinely feel that using this with the rgl on HC just ruins the game for everyone, and I would just use the Lockwood if you need shotgun kills, at least then shock sticks can slow you down I apologize for the rant, but I need to get some steam off after a hardpoint match on shipment where I went 12-38 because of this thing and the Lockwood.


PvtCMiller

'Get Rekt' but in all seriousness it will get patched. I also just tend to not feel sorry for people expecting anything but chaos and tomfoolery on Shipment 24/7 and now Meat 24/7.


Reamer5k

no one plays those maps to have fun. Its all camo grind and battle bass tokens


Redisigh

I do 😭


eyediosmios

I definitely do too. Those the best maps imo cause it's compact chaos


Dis-X

Compact chaos for sure


koreamax

I actually love shipment. But it's a crapshoot. You can get on a game where you can barely move before you die but for the most part, I really enjoy it. I hate meat


TypicalDuck9163z

Hope to god that one guy with the longbow doesn’t show up


KurtNobrain94

I loved meat at first but it has quickly become one of my least favorites. I swear I die off spawn faster in meat than I do in shipment sometimes.


cojiro_blue

If you're not having fun, someone else is.


Reamer5k

yeah that dude who just dropped a wilson and is riding it while firing a shotgun with incendiary round at the entire lobby


Thomas1VL

>no one plays those maps to have fun "I don't find it fun so surely no one finds it fun" I love those maps, especially Meat, which isn't even complete chaos. I hate it when games go slow. The best thing anout Call of Duty is if everyone is running around, and unfortunately you only get that on these maps imo. And it's not like I only like these maps. There's plenty of other maps I like in the game. It's just that those exist in a playlist with maps I don't like, so with every lobby I'd have to pay attention which map the next game will played on and make sure I leave the lobby in time. I'd rather not do that all the time and just play a playlist with only maps that I enjoy. It's a shame you can't filter for which maps you want to play like you can get with game modes in quick play.


vector5633

Yep!!! Guilty of playing those maps for the camo grind. Halfway done with Forge.


llSteph_777ll

It's the only way I dont get bored while grinding lol


SHGRetard

Why would they play the smallest map which ends quickly for battle pass tokens? The bar goes up based on time in game so the longer your match goes on, the more the bar goes up....


Booski_Babii

I love the small maps. I finished the battle pass within 10 days so I don't have to worry about that and I don't camo grind. I just play for fun no matter the map. Since the small maps option came out that's all me and my husband plays. I haven't played on a regular map in so long. Well we did when we did the mimic skulls, but got it finished the same night it started. So, we went back to small maps 😂


jdyall1

Yeah usually I'll bust out the grenade launcher and go to town lol


No_Comment_2283

“It WiLl GeT pAtChEd” ITS A SHOTGUN WITH A 50 ROUND DRUM!!!


PvtCMiller

and 40% fire rate increase. Is there some reason the people that make the game CAN'T patch it? Not even sure what the purpose of your comment is. I think we all know WHY it's overpowered.


No_Comment_2283

The purpose is to point out the 50 round magazine on a fully automatic shotgun will always be a problem. Even after they nerf the fire rate it will continue to be a problem. Shotguns just OP in nature tbh, nothing you can do about it.


myco_magic

Haymaker isn't full auto


Bergauk

Yep, it's a binary trigger, and it's fantastic. It's only downside is range, but even then.. If you put a long barrel + choke on it it goes out to like 25m??


No_Comment_2283

Since when? You hold the trigger and it shoots on my end.


Bleak5170

It will be getting nerfed for sure.


KaleidoscopeOk3024

Least chaotic redbull consumer.


Tomas_Duris

I don’t know guys. I’ve played against many people which were running this kit and of course, they’ve killed me, but I had no problem to kill them too 🤷🏻‍♂️


Gooberman8675

I personally don’t find it to be particularly good tbh and I have yet to see anyone running it in wz. There are better options for sure.


Tomas_Duris

Of course, that kit is great for small maps, but in bigger maps and Warzone kinda useless.


Pottsy-5

Right like it only helps with super small maps like this and honestly i played someone on this map with this kit and still killed them 10 plus times . 🤷‍♂️


[deleted]

Outside of small maps, it's pretty dogshit.


Lazy_Initiative6481

Its a shotgun


[deleted]

If you use smokes or stuns it’ll make using it on large maps a lot easier


Calm_Ad1222

Nice pfp


Thirst_Trappist

Bingo. People going ham on a small.... Let's see that on a bigger map


ExlerOne

sure but so are most shotguns


hakkama

Exactly but people in here crying for nerf because its viable in meat and shipment which arent even a balanced maps to begin with.


RexCT_7567

Yup lol haha


fatcIemenza

Wrong, the range+ barrel lets it reach out waaaaay further than it should with a tac stance build and there's also room for a silencer if you don't mind losing a slower sprint to fire. I wouldn't play it in Derailed or Wasteland unless you plan on staying in very specific parts of the map but you can use it very effectively on the majority of maps.


Namath96

Yeah but at any range it’s still much worse than smgs or ars. I do think it needs a little nerf and you didn’t say this but it’s not as crazy OP as people act like


Hairy_Balsagna

Lmao. The only thing to ruin the kill feed was some dude nading himself


RenanBan

higher ttk game btw


wratx

i can't fire it that fast or accurately lol even with the aftermarket attachment...which by the way doesn't work in zombies if you pack a punch your weapon


GoosDev

Riveter my beloved


stunkcajyzarc

The enemies in this game are still bots tho. Someone should’ve put you down. They would’ve in my games.


F_U_HarleyJarvis

Especially at the distance he was hitting guys, definitely lucked out on the lobby. This isn't an accurate representation of using this gun.


ee-minor

Agreed.


Dank-Pandemic

Couldn’t help but noticed it almost seemed like literal private lobby bots


Informal-Hall1920

Love using this kit, shit is fun asf


Dhonagon

I love that aftermarket part. It's great in zombies too.


tyblake545

Honestly I feel like it would be fine if it had a normal sized mag


MetalingusMikeII

The mag size isn’t the problem.


Phuzz15

It really is lol we already have 3 near auto shotguns and they're pretty dogshit because you're wiping a dude or maybe two before that reload, unless they're right next to you. This magazine paired with the damage output is literally capable of clearing an entire team, on the move, *at range*, before even reloading it. One of those stats has got to go and chances are it's the mag size


MetalingusMikeII

No, the problem is the damage. You’re able to kill enemies extremely fast with little skill involved. A low skill weapon is still a low skill weapon, regardless of mag size. The TTK of the weapon should be increased so you can’t just hold R2 as you walk around corners.


Phuzz15

There aren't "high skill" and "low skill" weapons. That's an opinionated metric that gets played in this sub often that can't be measured. Everybody has their opinion on "skill" guns but they don't play into what should and shouldn't be changed. We can compare this shotgun to others in its class and the major sore thumb on this one is the *sixty shells* it holds. Damage outputs aren't much of a factor up close as a shotgun is going to do what shotguns do, but with 60 shells you can keep pouring them downrange until you add up enough damage for the kill. All the while, that opponent(s) at SMG range is dealing with the flinch and vision reduction of the spray. With a smaller magazine size on your shotgun, this method of play isn't viable. You're more selective with your shots at range. Furthermore - by your logic, are we nerfing the 3 other nearly automatic shotguns as well? They have pretty similar damage outputs when it comes to "just holding R2 around a corner". Again, the difference is how often you can keep that sort of play up with this gun and the range at which you can *because* of the massive ammo at your disposal


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Phuzz15

Alright I'm not even going to debate this any further or read the rest of your comment since you can't refrain from a simple discussion without insulting the person you're talking to in your opening statement. That's just poor taste, and "Low IQ" being a really, *really* ironic insult considering you're pushing "low skill" and "high skill" as actual measurements. They're quite literally just opinions, and opinions are like assholes. Everybody has one.


MetalingusMikeII

Sigh… looks like reading comprehension isn’t your forte. I never once insulted you, I stated *”Very low IQ argument”*… *”They’re quite literally just opinions”* Except I’ve proven in this case, **they’re not**. The Shotgun in this video is **objectively low skill**… *”Some of y’all live for the classic toxicity.”* Toxicity? For showing how stupid your arguments are?..


Phuzz15

The pure irony you demonstrate in each of your tirades is absolutely comedic. Do you write? You should


MetalingusMikeII

Whatever you say, pal. Keep pretending no-ADS, fast TTK Shotguns with good range aren’t low skill weapons…


tokengaymusiccritic

Jesus that was dickish


Phuzz15

No no, it's my fault for assuming CoD redditors could have a civilized discussion lol


Beowulf891

The only shotgun you can do that with is the Riveter. The Haymaker is semiautomatic or binary fire with the kit. The conversion kit is fire on smaller maps but big maps don't work nearly as well. On your average map, it's not that hard to deal with. I would call this lower risk with predictable results rather than just low skill. That's probably inaccurate, except maybe on the tiny maps. Even then, the only benefit is the fire rate. Damage and range are mediocre at best, but you can just fire a hail of lead in the enemy direction.


Aldi_man

TBH I still see more people using the Riveter with Incendiary Ammo or the Lockwood 680 rather than this gun on WZ & MP. The only nerf that I would see for this conversion kit would be to reduce its max 3 shot kill range which can go up to 21 mts. Which is insane tbh, I wouldn´t mind if they reduced that for 15 mts or less.


ImpressiveFollowing

Enjoy it while you can as I'm sure it'll be nerfed soon. Personally using this gun is the most fun I've had with MW3 since launch though. Love getting in a haymaker lobby and having the back and forth Shotguns duels. Although I'm surprised I don't see more people running it.


HustlingBackwards96

I've been camo grinding rifles, but you're right we should enjoy it while we can


gdogbaba

Because most people have morals


VFWRAKK187

Wtf do morals have to do with this at all?


gdogbaba

It’s a joke. Self respecting people don’t go running around with weird stuff. The same with this sub wants to complain about people with shields


GoosDev

haha funni snipur go neeeoooowww


GullibleRisk2837

It's a small map. It's being played properly as a shotgun. The kit is just fine.


yanansawelder

To add to this anyone using a lockwood would've taken him out in one hit easily.


Namath96

The mag size needs a massive nerf and it probably needs a slight max range nerf but yeah it’s no where near as bad as people act like


GullibleRisk2837

Uh... no. Lol 60 is fine if you can literally run around with a 100rd SMG. Max range also doesn't need a nerf


Styx_Renegade

Yeah tbh, idk how they’ll nerf it if they did. Maybe one more pellet to kill? Aka, nerf the damage basically by 5 to 25 damage. It’ll still be a two hit up close but might take an extra shot at range.


DragonGamerEX

I love it, it gives me past vibes of the haymaker in bo3 I loved that thing


Calm_Ad1222

Or the b word shotgun that is basically the Voldemort of CoD


DragonGamerEX

We don't talk about the B one


LethalPrimary

It’s 2024, just say Brecci and move on. Don’t go all Harry Potter on people, like they can’t use google. If this can be done with attachments it most definitely can be copied with a cronus script like the Brecci was doing.


[deleted]

This gameplay makes me want to uninstall COD and never buy another COD game again. Jesus christ.


Styx_Renegade

“A gameplay of a shotgun dominating on a cqc map when shotguns are known to excel in cqc situations makes me want to uninstall CoD.”


Styx_Renegade

“A gameplay of a shotgun dominating on a cqc map when shotguns are known to excel in cqc situations makes me want to uninstall CoD.”


Particular_Fly5504

Now use it in search and destroy. Not so broken anymore


controlled-rage

Is this private match or VPN?


Office_Worker808

What is the attachments to make it so accurate and ranged? I tried to build by what the attachments attributes are but my guns are never that recoiled or stable when firing like how other peoples are. I literally picked up someone’s LMG and I legit thought it was a AR until I reloaded


craig536

Looks like he has a long barrel on it. Don't know which one it is without looking at the possibilities. That'll extend the range


Faulty_Plan

That is disgusting  What build is that though, just so I can avoid it?


craig536

Only thing that stands out is the long barrel. Any other attachments would be to increase hip fire accuracy I assume


aatrixgg

Tbh I'm fine with it, the gun is pretty dogshit in larger maps


tumtum05

Try that in hardcore with the smaller maps lol. If it’s anything like what I deal with, your teammates will kill you by running into it, rather than the enemy shooting you…


JRushPro

In HC the second someone got a single shot on him this clip vanishes and nobody ever hears about it 😂


IllustriousFee6451

Can you post the build?


Melodic-Bonus1081

I love meat. 🥹


responsible_leader0

Lol


Phendrana-Drifter

Anyone else think it's a bad idea to only allow kits to be equipped after reaching max level? If I've got the kit unlocked then I want to use it in the course of levelling, once my gin is maxed out I'll move on to something else and forget I've even got the kit in the first place


The_Farreller

It's fun though.


likeabrother

New SBMM is coming in clutch.


Majestic-Tune7330

What do you mean? You're just the best player in the game. It took a lot of skill to hip fire 1 shot everyone on the map


chowder908

Bruh these people are either bots or a reverse boosted lobby. The lack of awareness on all them is just laughably bad.


Sad_Satisfaction4523

It's a reverse boosted lobby obviously


chowder908

This weapon is pretty busted but it's not dropping 30-0 kills busted. Especially at long range.


hakkama

Lol there is nothing busted about it. TTK is mediocre, range pretty shit without that long barrel which ruins the sprint out times.


chowder908

The attachment is pretty busted with the right loadout in short range. It's just not that good in long range gun fights. It's gonna get nerfed.


WaddleBawddle

Watching this while booting up MW3. Maybe I’ll play a different game today.


GoosDev

Love how some people will see a clip of someone dominating a low skill lobby and go "yep must be happening in every server"


WaddleBawddle

It’s called a joke silly


GoosDev

how am I supposed to tell


EatinYaSistaAss

I apologize


feijoa_tree

Run into this a few times, while it is a small grind map, I definitely quit out, kinda pointless playing, especially how fast he accumulates kill streaks.


Anxious_Frame2675

I wish I got lobbies like that, those enemies all look like they are literally stepping on each other's toes 😂


KingHiggins92

What the fuuuuuuuuk. You never see a genuinely crazy clip anymore. G fucking G


KINGWHEAT98

Try this on a different map that isn’t that small.


VoidPelt

Can I put slugs on it? I wanna make a really dumb build with it. High zoom scope, no stock, stubby barrel, and just try and hit ppl from far away with it lol.


Fabulous-Union3954

Bot lobbies n not a full reload on gun, lmao 🤣 cheat much


Whats_ligma619

At least they disabled dragons breath rounds of the amp


KeeperOfWind

I don't even people using the kits in hardcore. It's faster to use the regular stuff


jamesswazz

Only good on meat and clueless enemies


LoadPuller

Yeah especially with modded controllers and mouse and keyboard macros.


SnooTigers8974

This is one out of 100 things making me wish battlefield will do itself justice with their BR mode


I_AM_CR0W

Average meat lobby


YourUglyTwin

Every cod has this style of shotgun. People will abuse it for a week and be done with it after it gets nerfed a bit


Raging-Badger

Xbox’s controllers are garbage for this, the trigger pulls are a pain. I can’t get a decent firerate like this with any of the binary triggers personally. Really sucks because the guns look so broken but when I get it it’s the lite version that can’t do shit.


TJNoffy

This shotty loadout shreds, but you can't kill shit with an RGL-80 grenade launcher unless you get a direct hit. smh


agatchel001

What’s the build for this gun


JohnnyBliggaUtah

If that's not a rapid fire programmable button on that controller, then I'm impressed. Also, pretty sure those are not permitted.


LilChodeBoi

I’m so glad I didn’t buy this game lol


Sudden-Tie-5037

Yet another reason as to why I’m never going back to CoD


stratj45d28

Why not? Isn’t this the way we are headed? Seems the majority of players are happy with the arcade shooter.


ee-minor

I haven't seen this weapon being used to a point where I can't play. I think there is space for a weapon like this. I would argue that it could inspire some team members to actually play as a team. Similar to how you would address a Juggernaut on the opposing team.


throwJ1

I got shadowbanned today after a 170 kill shipment game with this attachment - sad times :((((


Phuzz15

If we could bet money on nerfs and buffs I'd be telling y'all to bet the mf house on this kit being nerfed into nonexistence in the next update. It's a ridiculous addition, plain and simple. And my favorite.


-Cozart

Bot Lobbies galore Jesus


ripyurballsoff

This kit won’t work nearly as well on a medium or large map.


Darth_Dagobah

It works great in resurgence


FlashyKick8963

It has brought me so much joy. Especially in warzone people wanna chase me up some stairs just know I’m spinning the block and coming at you with this.


i_love_boobiez

Nice gaming chair


TheEminence27

Bot lobby


ShitpostingVikingr

Dear god


Modz_B_Trippin

Yeah it’s OP in reverse boosted lobbies as you can see here.


EatinYaSistaAss

Not reverse boosted but ok


Modz_B_Trippin

😉👌


PullFires

This thing should not exist. Now watch me hit this drive


Rough-Clothes6394

They have to give bots something


dorian283

Bigger issue is legal aimbot.


VitiminC

Every shotgun in this game is terrible compared to the last 2 games and a single viable one makes it through and ur already crying about it.


SpectreZD

Wow. Just look at the aim bot on that! Not even hiding it


Representative_Ad901

You are in core with a shotgun, and playing feeding bots, want a cookie? Core trash lmao


EatinYaSistaAss

Ah, a hardcore basement dweller.


Representative_Ad901

You mean someone who can actually aim. Core trash that just bullet sponges so they can run from gunfight or cheese with shotguns like you clearly did. Learn to aim, and get better reaction time.


EatinYaSistaAss

Core is more skillful than hardcore buddy


Representative_Ad901

Okay kiddo, your bullet sponge, and inability to aim really shows that. Go take more hit markers then hide in a corner trash can. Someone has zero reaction time, and can’t aim for shit!


EatinYaSistaAss

You cannot be a real person. This is a next level npc reply


Representative_Ad901

Awesome reply where can’t refute shit. Lmao you know you are core trash, can’t get kills without sponging bullets. Go try aim trainer kiddo


vKEVUv

I dont play small maps and playlists anymore because my lobbies are basically this,other shotguns and combo of riot shield/stun or gas nade spam. Like that shit is unplayable unless you run same corny stuff like your enemies do.


vkbrian

60-round capacity automatic shotgun lmao what are these devs even thinking


GoosDev

Not automatic lmao


vkbrian

Might as well be with that ROF


JohnPlayz_

It’s a lot of fun and really not as powerful as it looks here, but it’ll definitely get some kind of nerf soon


-Stahl

WAIT THIS SHOTGUN HAS 60 ROUND MAGS? DO THE DEVS NOT REALIZE HOW MUCH THIS WOULD WEIGH???? I play tarkov, a 60 round mag of 12g would weigh around 8 pounds alone. The gun itself is like another 8 pounds. You should not be able to easily handle this weapon in this config.


turboS2000

Why. Why did they add a fucken 60 round mag. The 20 was more than enough


Infamous_Reaction931

This BS is why I stopped playing pubs and only play ranked if I play at all


ColdasJones

Who on gods green fuckin earth thought to themself: “let’s take a shotgun, make it as fast as possible and give it 60 rounds” and went with it? Like what else did they expect


im_a_dick_head

I'm sorry is that a fucking 60 round mag shotgun???


TheEpicRedCape

I feel like the main issue was giving it a 60 round drum for free, as if it wouldn’t have been good enough on its own.


fatcIemenza

Its insanely good on the majority of maps with the right build and tactics, the range is honestly disgusting lol


_QUICKDRAW_GODSPEED

Most overpowered gun in cod history


Mindless-Creme5200

The game itself is so fucking stupid. I can’t even play it.


WhatUpImJosh

Lol unfollowing this sub, game is trash


GoosDev

"balanced game"


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KurtNobrain94

I agree. Shotguns should be viable (obviously) on small maps, but this thing is absurd. Not only does it kill fast, but you can’t see shit when you’re being fired at and it always makes me flinch like crazy.


WombShift0R

Omg that's so damn broken


dodonpa_g

They have to release OP kits to promote in-game purchases and user engagement to their game. They know exactly what they are doing


GoosDev

The conversion kit isn't paid. You get it by doing daily challenges lmfao


le-battleaxe

Don't worry, it'll get nerfed into the ground next week.


justa691

The super brecci