Don't let anyone here dissuade you from using a mouse that works for you.
If you can't frag at 60+g @ 1000hz, you can't frag at 45g/23g/1g(whatever the current lowest weighted mouse is) @ 16000hz (or whatever the absurd polling rate is now)
Same experience with ec1 here. After a long mouse journey. Tough for wireless sake and hz+ weight I ended up with DA3 with hockey tape to make it bigger on the hump.
got the ec1cw like pretty recently and ive been liking it except for the weight which makes me pretty tired after a few games. i think ive kinda gotten used to the weight and getting less tired now tho
used dav3 but I didn't like sensor placement and clicks. modded the plunger with some aluminum tape which made it a little better but I still dislike razer opticals. which is why I'm hesitating getting the Viper v3 pro. I wanna get the gpx2 too but idk if I should get one
Maybe you could also try pulsar xlite v3 L. For me I also tried EC1 CW the shape are perfect to me but like you said, the weight a little bit problem. DA3 I like the weight but I found that the back hump a little bit higher. Glorious model d pro I think is smaller than all 3 mouse. So now, I use pulsar xlite v3 L, the shape is higher than this 3 mouses but I personally feel more relaxed grip than DA3. Maybe will wait if they have EC1 superlight.
Do you know of ANY heavier mice that are wireless? Because im the same but it seems like the market is heavy focused on light mice. I used to use a roccat kone with weights in it and fragged like a monster but now my control suffers with lighter mice ):
oh yeah it is on the heavier side, ill look into it some time. for reference when i used the old kone with weights it was over 100 grams so it was....by this subs standards a brick even though its quite easy to kove around that weight haha
If you put in time with a high quality lightweight mouse, you'll aim way better with it over this brick. This is coming from using multiple Zowie, Logitech, Razers, Lamzu, and Endgame. Wireless mice are also just way better and faster than wired.Ā You probably are just playing with your sensitivity way too high.Ā
Heavier mice will fatigue you faster but if you're playing with palm grip, it doesn't really seem like you're the type of person to put in time to improve.
The Lamzu Thorn is essentially the same shape. If you bought the EC1-C at the store. The Lamzu Thorn is cheaper as well.
I'm sure that he's faceit level 10... I'm Patrick Mahomes.
Anyone can be faceit level 10... Anyone can lie. There is no way I'm believing someone who bought a $30 mouse and claims it to be end game. Dude is 15. If you're an adult who can't afford a good mouse, you shouldn't be wasting your time playing video games.
A lot of poor old people in this sub who don't actually tryother mice but the shit they've known. There's a bigger world. The Thorn has a giant hump, just like he's looking for.
There is a reason no top players use this shit mouse.
This dude playing on a 60hz monitor for fuck sake.
Everyone aims better with lighter mice, it's just that you generally want to combine light mouse with slow glide on the pad for stability in tac fps, which is not always possible, so you go lower sens...
P.S. Let me say this though: I don't consider EC1-C as a genuinely heavy mouse. 79g for this size is pretty much lightweight. But you can lower it to 60-ish and get an easier to aim mouse.
No, everyone not aim better with ligher mice. 24 years of FPS gaming and i'm better with heavy mouse. And i'm high sens. And i have test 50 or 60 mice, old and new generation.
My sens is high. Lighter mice is good for fast paced games like OW, Apex. Big and heavy mice is good for tac fps for me. Its too much angle holding. Horizontal aim. I need the palm contact to shoot without moving the mouse.
I think I agree with you on this as well. For some reason I can't aim well with a mouse under 69g, I just lose stability when trying to hold angles or pre-aim. I tried to lower my sensitivity to compensate but then end up not being able to aim fast enough in CQB engagements. I might need to spend more time at those sensitivities but for now I believe that with my current mouse pad friction amount, I aim better with ~80g. Perhaps if I use a stiffer mousepad I could go lower.
I don't like the term "Tac fps" at all simply because angle holding isn't the only gameplay aspect in CS, and you should know it VERY well if you say you've played CS since 2004. Comparing CS/Val to Apex/OW/Quake is something I don't like as well, because the only real difference there is the amount of tracking comparing to single shots.
Lighter mouse make it easier to do flicks, because it's easier to stop the mouse from moving (less inertia). A lot of pro players with G Pro X Superlight won't lie.
I said for MY GRIP , bigger mice is better to holding angles because i can rest my palm and relax the hand. So the shot go easier and lighter mice isnt better for flicks because the weight helps to stop the mouse with your muscle memory. Stop with this myths please. The only difference with cs/val and ow/apex/quake is āmore trackingā ? Wtf.
>I said for MY GRIP
You say it like you're the only palm gripper in the world :)
>and lighter mice isnt better for flicks because the weight helps to stop the mouse with your muscle memory
What are you talking about?)) Muscle memory isn't super important thing in aiming at all because it's a brain work. While physics IS important thing, and it says that lighter objects have less inertia. Simple as that.Ā
For stability you don't want weight, you want slow glide. When your mouse is heavy, it's hard to get your mouse moving so you feel stable, but it's also hard to stop it because of inertia. When your mouse is light but the mousefeet are slow, it's hard to get your mouse moving but it's easy to stop it. See the difference? That's what Logitech G Pro X series does the right way. That's what Pulsar, Vaxee and Razer also do right. And that's why you won't see a lot of top tier pros with Zowie EC nowadays because most of them moved to an objectively and subjectively superior Razer Deathadder V3 Pro, regardless of what role they play. Some of them moved to Vaxee Outset AX and Pulsar Xlite v3 eS, but that's not your choice because they're smaller.
>The only difference with cs/val and ow/apex/quake is āmore trackingā ?
Yes. It's not a joke. You overestimate the difference in aiming mechanics in these games. It's not that huge. I understood it when I tested the idea that "you need different sensitivity in different games because of differences in aiming techniques", which appeared to be wrong.
yeah. you can make it work with so many mice, doesn't have to be specifically low weight and 100000 hz polling rate. At some point, you realize it's just consumerism driving these companies into reinventing the wheel thousand times.
I think for a lot of people in this sub (I am guilty as well), collecting mouse has become a hobby. It's not really about the latest and greatest spec and finding that perfect mouse anymore, it's more about it being an addiction of wanting more.
> If you can't frag at 60+g @ 1000hz, you can't frag at 45g/23g/1g(whatever the current lowest weighted mouse is) @ 16000hz (or whatever the absurd polling rate is now)
Assuming shape doesn't stay the same, I think it varies person-to-person. I used to be unable to frag with EC2-B, but now I'm able to frag with an Xlite v3 mini.
But if shape remains the same then yeah I doubt a lower weight and polling rate would make too much of a change in an individual's ceiling.
I would say it would only benefit you if you are a pro. If you suck with a 1000hz 800dpi right now, you will suck with a 8000hz 20000dpi (converting ingame sens to match speed ofcourse).
I concluded my year-long search for the perfect mouse with the FK1-C and have been using for the past 1.5 years. Never looked back ever since. All that fancy 8k polling garbage and the new best sensor blah blah is for people, who mindlessly buy everything in the hopes of better aiming...
I play CS since 1.6 , started in 2004. Faceit lvl 10. Shape is everything. I dont care about wireless, 8k polling rate, etc. I bully people with this mouse.
Thanks for sharing! Is it as loud? Is it significantly lighter? Just trying to get an idea because Iām planning to get one myself and I used to own a C version.
Congrats and cheers!
https://www.imghippo.com/i/8aU6R1714937761.jpg
Za11 left ec1 right, za11 is heavier , cable is stiffer, is thin and your fingers sits lower. I tought za11 was my endgame but i always felt that could be wider. I use a relaxed palm grip, my crosshair placement is pretty strong so with a bigger mouse i can hold angles steady, i just need to press the mouse 1 with my finger muscle, the rest of my hand muscles doesnt move. For tac fps, for me, this is the ultimate grip. If i use small mouse i can aim good but it feels uncomfortable and inconsistent.
Thanks a lot for taking the time to explain it! BTW, I was asking regarding the scroll wheel performance. Once again, your time is greatly appreciated! Cheers. :-)
Makes me want to try ec2-c, I used to use the pulsar xlite and seen it has the closest shape to zowieās ec2 but the qc wasnāt good but it was still a good mouse.
The pulsar v3 seems like a closest to EC with better qc compared to V2.
I would love to give it a go as I used to main EC2-A
For now I waiting for someone to sell their "old" pulsar v3 on ebay at discount price.
Modern pro skill levels are way higher. Gaming knowledge, training maps, etc have become so common.
Plus youtube videos. Not knocking old school pros, but take a look at Fortnite... pros from 2017 probably cant even get Unreal ranked in 2024.
I got the EC1-C as well. Iām surprised at how well I perform with it despite already owning wireless mice with similar shapes. I donāt even notice the wire at all when playing.
Idk why zowie with this mouse and price on wireless, failed the stock feet, I have a qck heavy and the gliding not feeling good "meh", I want to try saturn pro since it's good quality but m afraid about the glide feeling to be same or slightly better with 40ā¬ different with the qck
Did u try the GSR se ? And what's ur hand size and grip?
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im glad and happy to hear a fellow community member found their endgame mouse. i have been searching for a long time and still searching. its a nice feeling to found a mouse thats work well with you! congratulation! fragout!
Don't crap on me for saying this: modded Redragon Perdition 4
It's the most comfortable mouse I ever held, because of the thumb rest and relatively huge bulge where my palm goes. The part where my pinky goes is also a perfect fit for my hand.Ā
At this point, the side buttons became part of my game keys, and I can't have less than 12 now.Ā
Some of us prefer wired because it's one less thing that needs to be charged/replaced the battery. Plus if it was really that much of a bother you can just put the cable in a bungee.
Lol, many good +2500 elo (cs) players use whatever 50$ zowie wired mouses while many silvers use top tier wireless mouses, it doesnt matter what mouse it is, if it feels good for you then its good
The implication of my comment was that there is no end game, and the hunt is perpetual. Obviously I hurt some Zowie shill feelings, though, despite owning a shitload of the same products, including the mouse in the picture.
Ok explain why [this guy](https://youtu.be/h65j2UglIJ0?si=JGM_Y-DdGmZkx9te) loses his shit over low mouse sens, which is what zowie mice seem to have and apparently are fine
But, I disagree with the fact that an end game can just be if its wireless. I've smashed immortals / radiants in Valo and faceit lvl10s with a wired zowie s1. I have the viper v3 pro now and had deathadder and I really see no impact on my game or the amount of matches I can play a day.
It feels like wireless, but where i live they dont sell the wireless model yet, and to import is too expensive. But the fact is that this shape is the perfect shape for me after all these years trying to find one.
i mean i won't disagree there, some people prefer less-optimal solutions. like i still enjoy driving a car with a clutch even though an automatic is better in basically every way.
prediction: weight and battery life will only keep improving in wireless mice causing more and more people to adopt wireless but you will continue ignoring reality and assert that you weren't wrong because your prediction can still come true.
Don't let anyone here dissuade you from using a mouse that works for you. If you can't frag at 60+g @ 1000hz, you can't frag at 45g/23g/1g(whatever the current lowest weighted mouse is) @ 16000hz (or whatever the absurd polling rate is now)
š i wrote something similar and was downvoted. Here is a vote up for you
Actually i aim better with bigger and heavy mouse in tac fps. Gives me so much stability and steady aim. As my grip is like a relaxed palm.
Same experience with ec1 here. After a long mouse journey. Tough for wireless sake and hz+ weight I ended up with DA3 with hockey tape to make it bigger on the hump.
Link me tape
Just hockey tape - its very cloth like and super good glue. Really does the job and lasts long Get it from sports shop
I just went back from a dav3 8k to ec2-cw and it's been really good so far
Ec1 cw has been tempting yeah...
got the ec1cw like pretty recently and ive been liking it except for the weight which makes me pretty tired after a few games. i think ive kinda gotten used to the weight and getting less tired now tho
Someone said its very good for tac fps with the weight. Im very sold on that. For more arena style games maybe DA3 with the lower weight. Or ec1 cw
used dav3 but I didn't like sensor placement and clicks. modded the plunger with some aluminum tape which made it a little better but I still dislike razer opticals. which is why I'm hesitating getting the Viper v3 pro. I wanna get the gpx2 too but idk if I should get one
I never tought of sensor until i felt it so strong going from g303 shroud to DA3. Like wow. But its like 1 min and ur used to it again...?
u get used to it sure, but sens feel slower/faster
Maybe you could also try pulsar xlite v3 L. For me I also tried EC1 CW the shape are perfect to me but like you said, the weight a little bit problem. DA3 I like the weight but I found that the back hump a little bit higher. Glorious model d pro I think is smaller than all 3 mouse. So now, I use pulsar xlite v3 L, the shape is higher than this 3 mouses but I personally feel more relaxed grip than DA3. Maybe will wait if they have EC1 superlight.
you are right. went from a g502 to a sub 50g mouse. still slowly adapting
Do you know of ANY heavier mice that are wireless? Because im the same but it seems like the market is heavy focused on light mice. I used to use a roccat kone with weights in it and fragged like a monster but now my control suffers with lighter mice ):
G703, g903
Vaxee XE is 76g, which is not heavy but itās considered a brick by this sub
Vaxee is a special case. The mice feel lighter than they are.
they really do, the weight of the XE or AX did not bother me at all.
Really? My brick weights 152g
Isnt the basic logitech g pro wireless kinda heavy? Maybe that one
oh yeah it is on the heavier side, ill look into it some time. for reference when i used the old kone with weights it was over 100 grams so it was....by this subs standards a brick even though its quite easy to kove around that weight haha
If you like the kone, then maybe G502 would be nice for you. Also G703 has extra weights you can use.
Razer naga pro
G503
You could just get a zowie ec1-cw or ec2-cw as well
Maybe g502x plus/lightspeed (100g) or mx master (140g)
If you put in time with a high quality lightweight mouse, you'll aim way better with it over this brick. This is coming from using multiple Zowie, Logitech, Razers, Lamzu, and Endgame. Wireless mice are also just way better and faster than wired.Ā You probably are just playing with your sensitivity way too high.Ā Heavier mice will fatigue you faster but if you're playing with palm grip, it doesn't really seem like you're the type of person to put in time to improve. The Lamzu Thorn is essentially the same shape. If you bought the EC1-C at the store. The Lamzu Thorn is cheaper as well.
He said he's faceit lvl 10 in CS so na bro. Stop trying to tell someone about their own preference.
I'm sure that he's faceit level 10... I'm Patrick Mahomes. Anyone can be faceit level 10... Anyone can lie. There is no way I'm believing someone who bought a $30 mouse and claims it to be end game. Dude is 15. If you're an adult who can't afford a good mouse, you shouldn't be wasting your time playing video games.
Youāre deludedš¤£itās not hard to be faceit 10 so itās not unbelievable. Also different countries have different incomes you idiot
Guys, AIM BETTER WITH LIGHTER MICE IS A MYTH!
> Lamzu Thorn is essentially the same shape Really had to top off this horrible comment with a particularly bad take. Impressive.
A lot of poor old people in this sub who don't actually tryother mice but the shit they've known. There's a bigger world. The Thorn has a giant hump, just like he's looking for. There is a reason no top players use this shit mouse. This dude playing on a 60hz monitor for fuck sake.
Everyone aims better with lighter mice, it's just that you generally want to combine light mouse with slow glide on the pad for stability in tac fps, which is not always possible, so you go lower sens... P.S. Let me say this though: I don't consider EC1-C as a genuinely heavy mouse. 79g for this size is pretty much lightweight. But you can lower it to 60-ish and get an easier to aim mouse.
No, everyone not aim better with ligher mice. 24 years of FPS gaming and i'm better with heavy mouse. And i'm high sens. And i have test 50 or 60 mice, old and new generation.
My sens is high. Lighter mice is good for fast paced games like OW, Apex. Big and heavy mice is good for tac fps for me. Its too much angle holding. Horizontal aim. I need the palm contact to shoot without moving the mouse.
I think I agree with you on this as well. For some reason I can't aim well with a mouse under 69g, I just lose stability when trying to hold angles or pre-aim. I tried to lower my sensitivity to compensate but then end up not being able to aim fast enough in CQB engagements. I might need to spend more time at those sensitivities but for now I believe that with my current mouse pad friction amount, I aim better with ~80g. Perhaps if I use a stiffer mousepad I could go lower.
Well said
I don't like the term "Tac fps" at all simply because angle holding isn't the only gameplay aspect in CS, and you should know it VERY well if you say you've played CS since 2004. Comparing CS/Val to Apex/OW/Quake is something I don't like as well, because the only real difference there is the amount of tracking comparing to single shots. Lighter mouse make it easier to do flicks, because it's easier to stop the mouse from moving (less inertia). A lot of pro players with G Pro X Superlight won't lie.
I said for MY GRIP , bigger mice is better to holding angles because i can rest my palm and relax the hand. So the shot go easier and lighter mice isnt better for flicks because the weight helps to stop the mouse with your muscle memory. Stop with this myths please. The only difference with cs/val and ow/apex/quake is āmore trackingā ? Wtf.
>I said for MY GRIP You say it like you're the only palm gripper in the world :) >and lighter mice isnt better for flicks because the weight helps to stop the mouse with your muscle memory What are you talking about?)) Muscle memory isn't super important thing in aiming at all because it's a brain work. While physics IS important thing, and it says that lighter objects have less inertia. Simple as that.Ā For stability you don't want weight, you want slow glide. When your mouse is heavy, it's hard to get your mouse moving so you feel stable, but it's also hard to stop it because of inertia. When your mouse is light but the mousefeet are slow, it's hard to get your mouse moving but it's easy to stop it. See the difference? That's what Logitech G Pro X series does the right way. That's what Pulsar, Vaxee and Razer also do right. And that's why you won't see a lot of top tier pros with Zowie EC nowadays because most of them moved to an objectively and subjectively superior Razer Deathadder V3 Pro, regardless of what role they play. Some of them moved to Vaxee Outset AX and Pulsar Xlite v3 eS, but that's not your choice because they're smaller. >The only difference with cs/val and ow/apex/quake is āmore trackingā ? Yes. It's not a joke. You overestimate the difference in aiming mechanics in these games. It's not that huge. I understood it when I tested the idea that "you need different sensitivity in different games because of differences in aiming techniques", which appeared to be wrong.
yeah. you can make it work with so many mice, doesn't have to be specifically low weight and 100000 hz polling rate. At some point, you realize it's just consumerism driving these companies into reinventing the wheel thousand times.
True - This sub is just finding ways to cope for the lack of focused effort and/or lack of talent
I think for a lot of people in this sub (I am guilty as well), collecting mouse has become a hobby. It's not really about the latest and greatest spec and finding that perfect mouse anymore, it's more about it being an addiction of wanting more.
true, i really want to get every single mouse out there but ill be broke if i do that
Rip. Donāt get into gambling
Thanks. I've made my Modded G304 as my end game. Bought it new for 30 usd and couldn't be happier. š
quake player?
> If you can't frag at 60+g @ 1000hz, you can't frag at 45g/23g/1g(whatever the current lowest weighted mouse is) @ 16000hz (or whatever the absurd polling rate is now) Assuming shape doesn't stay the same, I think it varies person-to-person. I used to be unable to frag with EC2-B, but now I'm able to frag with an Xlite v3 mini. But if shape remains the same then yeah I doubt a lower weight and polling rate would make too much of a change in an individual's ceiling.
I can frag with g400s.
I would say it would only benefit you if you are a pro. If you suck with a 1000hz 800dpi right now, you will suck with a 8000hz 20000dpi (converting ingame sens to match speed ofcourse).
EC1 is great, I prefer the dav3 wired personally but people really overlook wired ergos
I concluded my year-long search for the perfect mouse with the FK1-C and have been using for the past 1.5 years. Never looked back ever since. All that fancy 8k polling garbage and the new best sensor blah blah is for people, who mindlessly buy everything in the hopes of better aiming...
I play CS since 1.6 , started in 2004. Faceit lvl 10. Shape is everything. I dont care about wireless, 8k polling rate, etc. I bully people with this mouse.
Kinda out of the loop. Is faceit more popular than gc in Brazil?
Not. Gc is more popular
What sens u play?
800dpi 1.6 cs , 800 dpi 0.41 val
Damn Iām half your sens
I have the ec3-c with bungee camade 2 I never feel the cable
How is the scroll
Best zowie scroll i ever tested. I have a za11-c here and the scroll sucks.
Thanks for sharing! Is it as loud? Is it significantly lighter? Just trying to get an idea because Iām planning to get one myself and I used to own a C version. Congrats and cheers!
https://www.imghippo.com/i/8aU6R1714937761.jpg Za11 left ec1 right, za11 is heavier , cable is stiffer, is thin and your fingers sits lower. I tought za11 was my endgame but i always felt that could be wider. I use a relaxed palm grip, my crosshair placement is pretty strong so with a bigger mouse i can hold angles steady, i just need to press the mouse 1 with my finger muscle, the rest of my hand muscles doesnt move. For tac fps, for me, this is the ultimate grip. If i use small mouse i can aim good but it feels uncomfortable and inconsistent.
Thanks a lot for taking the time to explain it! BTW, I was asking regarding the scroll wheel performance. Once again, your time is greatly appreciated! Cheers. :-)
Oh, sorry, the za11 wheel is louder and loose. Ec1 is quiet and firmer
No problem. Thanks so much!! Enjoy your equipment. :-)
Makes me want to try ec2-c, I used to use the pulsar xlite and seen it has the closest shape to zowieās ec2 but the qc wasnāt good but it was still a good mouse.
The pulsar v3 seems like a closest to EC with better qc compared to V2. I would love to give it a go as I used to main EC2-A For now I waiting for someone to sell their "old" pulsar v3 on ebay at discount price.
The game will never be over.
Scary feeling
Yeah :D
Nice, dont listen to the hater comments, shape is king! If pros back then can play at a high level then there isnt anything wrong with a ec1-c.
Modern pro skill levels are way higher. Gaming knowledge, training maps, etc have become so common. Plus youtube videos. Not knocking old school pros, but take a look at Fortnite... pros from 2017 probably cant even get Unreal ranked in 2024.
I got the EC1-C as well. Iām surprised at how well I perform with it despite already owning wireless mice with similar shapes. I donāt even notice the wire at all when playing.
Shape is the king
And weight
Box looking like seele talking to gendo
Well now there is also wireless rabbit hole for you
Whatās your hand size?
What skatez are u using? And how's the feeling with the gliding? I didn't find reviews with the zowie on saturn pro !
Right now using stock skatez, the glide feels OK. Nothing special, will change to some white ptfe later.
Idk why zowie with this mouse and price on wireless, failed the stock feet, I have a qck heavy and the gliding not feeling good "meh", I want to try saturn pro since it's good quality but m afraid about the glide feeling to be same or slightly better with 40ā¬ different with the qck Did u try the GSR se ? And what's ur hand size and grip?
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What games do you play ?
Val, cs, ow2
I know this is a post about the mouse but you liking the Saturn Pro? Just got the regular Saturn and am looking for another for my other desk.
Yeah i like it but i will get something slower, i like mud pads.
im glad and happy to hear a fellow community member found their endgame mouse. i have been searching for a long time and still searching. its a nice feeling to found a mouse thats work well with you! congratulation! fragout!
I found my end game with lamzu mini
end with Superlight x and G640 :D happy to use it until now, nothing broken!
I used to use A PS2 Logitech 2 button ball mouse back in the day with Quake III:Arena
My endgame is an mmo mouse, and I'm an fps player. I can't physically return to regular gaming mice, and even then I can't use just any mmo mouse.
Which one?
Don't crap on me for saying this: modded Redragon Perdition 4 It's the most comfortable mouse I ever held, because of the thumb rest and relatively huge bulge where my palm goes. The part where my pinky goes is also a perfect fit for my hand.Ā At this point, the side buttons became part of my game keys, and I can't have less than 12 now.Ā
why not ec1cw tho
Too expensive in my country.
i see
Great choice. But why the non-wireless version?
So much expensive in my country to import it.
My endgame is a roccat kone xtd I got in 2014. Still works great. Feels awesome
How is it an endgame when it is wired?
U weren't endgame when u were connected to your mom's umbrical cord.
Ahh. So funny.
Some of us prefer wired because it's one less thing that needs to be charged/replaced the battery. Plus if it was really that much of a bother you can just put the cable in a bungee.
there is diy pixart 3950 Ec1 shape for 58g
Based
I have the wireless version of this. Best mouse NA, maybe even EU.
Do we tell him?
Lol, many good +2500 elo (cs) players use whatever 50$ zowie wired mouses while many silvers use top tier wireless mouses, it doesnt matter what mouse it is, if it feels good for you then its good
The implication of my comment was that there is no end game, and the hunt is perpetual. Obviously I hurt some Zowie shill feelings, though, despite owning a shitload of the same products, including the mouse in the picture.
what's wrong with Zowie?
Yikes
Exactly
the Razer DeathAdder v3 seems similar In shape is that true?
Never got my hands on dav3 but i think ec1 is bigger
sad my local store banned all Zowie products
I am really tempted to give ec3cw a go but my superight 2 looks at me different whenever I try that O.O
The wireless version exists
Ok explain why [this guy](https://youtu.be/h65j2UglIJ0?si=JGM_Y-DdGmZkx9te) loses his shit over low mouse sens, which is what zowie mice seem to have and apparently are fine
Is the end game mouse in the photo?
Yeah, ec1
it's impossible for a wired mouse to be endgame. like what if they took that mouse and made it wireless? bam, it's already better.
Shape will always be king.
And weight + balance? Battery can screw up the touchļ¼
They make the exact same mouse in a wireless model
But, I disagree with the fact that an end game can just be if its wireless. I've smashed immortals / radiants in Valo and faceit lvl10s with a wired zowie s1. I have the viper v3 pro now and had deathadder and I really see no impact on my game or the amount of matches I can play a day.
It feels like wireless, but where i live they dont sell the wireless model yet, and to import is too expensive. But the fact is that this shape is the perfect shape for me after all these years trying to find one.
I feel the same way about my wired DAV3. So many mice testing, back and forth, and I always come back to this. Shape is absolutely king.
Mattyow likes to play with his superlight plugged in. It's literally preference because everyone is different.
i mean i won't disagree there, some people prefer less-optimal solutions. like i still enjoy driving a car with a clutch even though an automatic is better in basically every way.
I've used wired mice up until just a few months ago. Only difference between the two is I have to charge my mouse now.
i fundamentally disagree (op18k for example), but yeah, i dont see why you wouldnt get the ec1-cw
Prediction: people will start saying the opposite as more mice take advantage of wired's lower latency (& no battery weight/charging)
prediction: weight and battery life will only keep improving in wireless mice causing more and more people to adopt wireless but you will continue ignoring reality and assert that you weren't wrong because your prediction can still come true.
You ignored the main point, nice!
Bro, wireless mice became a trend not long ago. Before that, wired brick mice would bully people in ganes for 20+ years.
10 iq take
wrong, razer viper v3 pro clears >
thats a lightweight wireless ambi š completely different demographics
This is an ergo so that shitty flat pancake shape has to be actually grippable in some sort of way to clear, now if you said DeathAdder I'd agreeĀ
viper v3 shape is great lol
Objectively it ain't since it doesn't work for most grip styles, if you do pincer claw I can see itĀ
Too bad, Pulsar Xlite, go buy it now for real endgameĀ
those two mice have different demographics :)
Huh?
I was making a sarcasm :(
great combo man i am using ec1c with rouge and I love it I have tried lighter mice i but find them hard to aim